“You are replying to a Computer bot…..“

You have a very high opinion about the current state of AI technology.

Or, are you one and just deflecting our attention? (a technique I’ve noticed is getting a lot of play these days)

Hi brm,

brmckay wrote: … the side of these discussions that reeks of bigotry. …

What side would that be?

brmckay wrote: … those protesting the actual problem of racist cops …

Do you mean rioters, looters, arsonists, vandals? …

What do you mean by “racist” cops? …

Cops that are white? Cops that make arrests? Cops with an animus towards someone? What does it mean?

Assuming the number of cops harboring animus towards a specific community – such as arsonists – exist in a sufficient quantity to deserve action … what exactly would you propose?

… and btw … for those of us with significant experience with multi-racial police forces …

… which cops harboring which tendencies are these policies meant to address?

brmckay wrote: … a system that doesn’t acknowledge [racist cops?] adequately …

Meaning political systems run by politicians on the Left …

A good example is Dallas: I’m an hour away from one of the most dangerous ‘hoods in Texas. That ‘community’ is entirely dominated by Democrats.

Do you want me to call up the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy and tell them to stop the Whitey Crazy Wave Machine? … Just give me their number. I’ll give ’em a call, and see what I can do.

If you want ‘me’ to actually change that community … the first thing you will have to do is create a ‘system’ in which a short, fat, ugly, white Irish-American dude can ‘do’ something to change that system.

Hint – this means you have to support a ‘system’ that will dismantle to the Left’s hate machine.

None of the people whose fingerprints are on these community are who you think they are. None of them are the ‘whiteys’ out here beyond the pale. They are all ‘woke’ – politically correct – Democrats – with all the proper views.

I’m sure if you scour the internet, you can find some Republicans somewhere in the ‘system’ … but the overwhelming majority of the riots are in locations long dominated by Democrat ‘systems’ … that drove out anyone seeking a civilized community.

God love ya’ …

Sorry, I mistook you for someone who might hold a conversation about the horrific damage done to the black community by systemic racism.

… apparently

… you do not care about the black victims of systemic racism.

… and you support violence, racism, and hatred in the black community

No wonder we cannot have ‘an honest discussion’ about systemic racism

… you’re never ready or willing to discuss it.

We cannot have an honest discussion about white racism in America

… because you refuse to discuss your racism.

God love ya’ … you really need Him.

Hi brm,

Fair enough, upvote for that …

… Though, let me hastily point out, I’m not insisting God solely supports “my” side and not “your” side.

… I added the tag to because I see racism in your posts …

… and I believe you need His help to overcome this imperfection.

Pardon the implications, but I meant no more than that.

As for ‘explaining’ … not sure what you want me to ‘explain’ … as it is up to you to decide what you’re concerned about. If you want to help the black community, you’ll have to think about what you can do. But – since I seem to have your attention – here’s an example. …

*** … long ago, and far away … I did a couple of years as a pro-bono attorney circa ’07-’09.

One of my clients was brutally beaten by two young, violent robbers. His money was stolen, and he suffered what the press usually calls ‘minor’ injuries.

I was representing him pro-bono through a legal aid for the poor. I remember him very clearly because I had very few male clients. Almost all of our clients were female, and their cases were routine – the repetitive stories of banal abuse that makes one callous, and eventually burnt out – but that’s another matter.

In this case, I was trying to get my client into a publicly funded senior housing project because he was living in a horrible abode, deep in what we call a ‘hood on social media.

My client called me after the attack, and asked if I could help. I realized I could. And I could use the attack to obtain an emergency exception that would allow us to move him into housing – if a vacancy existed. i.e. We could jump to the head of the line – and skip several months of waiting.

So here comes the ‘systemic racism’ …

To move my client into housing, the PHA (public housing authority) demanded an incident report. Makes sense – it documents the emergency and justifies the exception.

But the cop refused to complete an incident report to document the case. (He mistook me for some cracker friend – because I was wearing my ‘hood outfit when I called him and demanded the report verbally – I believe he ‘profiled’ me based on my costume, but that’s just added for humor.)

Here’s the ‘systemic racism’ … clear as it can be …

The cop’s excuse was a standing order to NOT complete incident reports in certain cases when the perps fit certain profiles due to certain stats. I understand the order. The police department was afraid of an investigation for racial disparity in crime stats.

What is accomplished by refusing to investigate crime, and refusing to complete an incident report, and refusing to do the job of law enforcement … to satisfy ‘racial disparity’ quotas?

… Who wins? Who is behind that? What effect does it have on the black community?

Want to guess the “races” involved? Or the political parties?

You already know. I was the only ‘white’ in the story – unless you include my lesbian intern who wrote a demand letter for the incident report back at the office – which we did at the officer’s request to cover his butt.

btw – I got the incident report the next day, my client was moved in just about 36 hours.

By no means is this the only case of ‘systemic racism’ I had to ‘fix’ to help my clients, but it is one of the easiest to follow.

I appreciate you coming back for another nibble …

God love ya’ brm.

Well, I won’t claim that I saw that coming …

… much more polite than I expected.

brmckay wrote: I asked you to honestly evaluate the blindness behind the “bigotry” evident in discussions going on here

I did. But you can’t see it. You won’t see it. You refuse.

I don’t know why you won’t see it. Only you can answer that question.

But I know what it is you don’t want to see. You have left a clue:

brmckay wrote: … and you decide that it means I’m taking sides against Caucasians.

Again – I’ll use the Socratic method.

Where in my post did that come from?

Hint – it’s not in my post. You just read it into the post.

***

… as for “self-serving generalizations”

… you mean dismissing overwhelming evidence of the damage done by Leftist policies to the black community?

This is why anti-racists and anti-bigots get upset with so-called “liberals.”

We give you statistics or point you to overwhelmingly lopsided evidence of the massive damage caused by Leftist policies and statistics, and you reject it.

We offer you hard examples of how these policies fail black Americans. And you dismiss it as anecdotal.

You cannot explain to me how you will fix the problems in the black community, but you blame others for the failure of those policies.

You blame Americans who have No-Zero-Zip-Nada influence for the problems Leftist policies, and expect what? More money for race peddlers? More failed policies?

When will you decide you’re against the violence – as much or more than you’re into blaming others?

And then … you come here and complain that we don’t buy into your blame game. As if our magic crazy rays cause the problems created by Leftist policies.

… you should not be surprised by the push back.

The elderly, black man in my example …

…is not the only victim of Leftism and the hatred and violence, racism, and bigotry of Leftism that I’ve seen.

Here’s how an honest discussion on race might begin:

… start with the example I gave you (a black victim of black violence, and a Hispanic cop following a pro-criminal procedure required by Democrat politicians rather than investigating the crime)

… try to care about the real individual black person harmed by the policy

… work out the problem in your head – and how to solve it

… imagine it’s your problem, and you want to solve it – to help protect all black victims

… and that exercise may help you overcome your own blindness.

God love ya’

Oh, cool. I don’t agree entirely. But you’re thinking it through. Upvote for that.

… I’ll give you credit.

You’re trying to work it out, and you seem to care. That’s not how these exchanges usually go.

Fair warning. You can just stop reading here, and flame out. What follows may not help you escape from your ‘unconscious’ privilege.

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“Leftist” of course is short-hand. And you know what I mean. Government of an elite, by an elite, for an elite. Violence is not a crime, especially if it’s against me or my neighbors in rural America. But resistance is a crime.

“Rightist” can be interpreted as the opposite for the sake of social media. Lots of ‘Righties’ define it in a myriad of ways.

But the ‘Right’ really doesn’t exist anymore. Quite a few pundits have noticed, and have tried to erase the Left/Right paradigm in order to achieve a consensus, or in some cases, a truce with the Left. But the ‘Left’ does exist, and the ‘Left’ does not coexist.
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brmckay wrote: What makes ‘rightist’ policies better when it comes to seeing a person’s race before you see the person?

This is social media. And I’m not writing a ‘white paper.’ Albeit it’s way, way too long for this format.

Had to give this a lot of thought. Not b/c the question is unclear, but because any ‘good’ answer would involve thousands of words just to do an abstract. Normally I would assume you know the answer, and just respond with tit for tat, but you have been too polite to be insincere.

Let’s just say it this way, again in the Socratic method: Are ‘Rightist’ policies indefensible?

Now as to uniformed law enforcement of criminal law, the whole concept of ‘cops’ is a ‘Rightist’ policy. Historically it comes with a panache of ‘progress,’ but policing has always been a desirable option for communities that could afford it. It’s ‘Right’ because – by it’s very nature – it preserves the civil order and protects lives and non-violent social choices. i.e. riots bad, kids playing in the park good.

Today, I would argue that ‘Rightist’ policies are any intention to do anything that’s not being done now, but has worked in the recent past, and to stop doing anything new that causes more damage. And nothing more than that.

Since the ‘Right’ wholly agreed that police officers should be more professional, most of the changes in law enforcement in process and procedure have been generally positive. The ‘Left’ has generally muddied the waters and sought to reduce the effectiveness of the police force to destabilize and demoralize communities. The Left’s success, e.g., led to the example I gave you.

Law enforcement is only meant to be one agency, and one tool of society to enforce the civil order. Blaming police officers for society’s illnesses – accusing them of being ‘racist’ for doing their job – places an undue burden on the occupation.

That said, most large police forces as government agencies are not responsive to the communities they patrol. Rather they respond to 1. The government cutting their budget and/or paying their chief, and 2. forces that can threaten the politicians running that government.

So if a police policy or procedure does not work in the community, the community has no choice but to take it. Who decides?

Since the police are generally associated with the ‘Right,’ even though no such organization remains in existence, it becomes useful to attack the police and blame them for consequences over which they have no control.

It’s not the ‘Right’ that decides how laws are enforced. We don’t even decide who is on the force, who is promoted, or who is fired. Those are governed by policies implemented by government.

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brmckay wrote: getting racism wrong

Assuming police “see race,” whatever that means, before they “see a person” is a highly charged, and loaded accusation. It accuses officers of a culpable mens rea. It’s so obvious, those accused naturally will fight back. The accusation is disgusting and despicable. It betrays a culpable mens rea arising from either an ‘unconscious’ privilege – an entitled ignorance – or from a conscious intention to do contribute to the damage done to communities by their criminal elements.

To be clear – I’m not accusing you of anything here. Given your posts – unless you’re feigning concern and pretending ignorance – you’re trying to inform us of something you believe exists.

But you’re getting a lot of push back because your accusation is atrocious. And the implications is that we’re monsters.

One of the huge, whopping, obvious problems you have – that is, trying to convince us that our ‘unconscious racism’ is at the root of “racist cops” comes from the way the accusation is formed.

It leaves out the victim. This isn’t personal. All of these accusations ignore the victims.

As in the simple example I gave you, I was the first responder. I called the police. My client did not call the police because the police in the ‘hood would not do anything in a case like this. It’s “just” a property crime. I knew that too, but I had to have an incident report to move my client into senior housing.

Everyone involved in the incident “saw” the victim. No one cared about his race. Race only entered the equation when I asked the officer why he was not going to pursue the case.

Everyone accusing the police of racism do not “see” the “person” in the victim. That would include you, btw.

You care about the race of the men who beat up my client, but you don’t seem to care about an old man. You’re oblivious to the fact that he’s black too. But you did not “see” anything. And apparently, you just want to dismiss that.

Here is ‘white privilege’ if you wish to “see” it: The privilege to ignore the crime and the victim.

Your attitude ignores what I saw. You’re accusing us – and that includes me – of “seeing race” and not “seeing a person” in the criminal … when in fact …

My intransigence on the issue arises precisely from the fact that: I cannot erase what I saw.

And my “lying eyes” are far more trustworthy than phony promises and fantasies peddled by government meddlers for sixty years.

You’re only concern is about the interaction of the police with a black criminal. Not even with all criminals. And then only when the media stirs up a hornet’s nest in a black community.

Concern for robbery? Meh.

What I saw was an elderly man beaten by two young, violent criminals. His front door was smashed. His little shack was trashed. His clothes were ripped to shreds. He looked like he had been hit by a tornado. His money was taken. And he was reduced to crying like a baby with no one to comfort him but a semi-employed white attorney whose expertise had been environmental engineering.

Apparently none of that matters to Leftist virtue signalers. Any means is justified for their ends.

Just writing this – and going back to that moment – makes my blood boil. My pulse is up. The rage to avenge what happened to that old man has me madder than a hatter.

False accusers never seem to care about the victims. They don’t care about the past victims. They don’t care about the present victims. They don’t care about the future victims. And they don’t care about the people involved in managing the aftermath of crime.

Cops in the ‘hoods have to deal with this on every shift. It takes a toll.

It’s no surprise that they don’t want to be blamed something they have no role in.

***

Yes, I accused you of racism. And I invoked the Lord’s assistance with the cure. Still am.

brmckay wrote: What did you mean by calling me (and presumably not yourself) a racist?

First, you accuse cops of racism. You accuse whites of racism. And, by inferences in your posts, we both know you believe I’m a racist for disagreeing with you. That alone justifies the accusation just in course of social media exchange. Invoking God to help you is just a nice thing to do. Albeit, the invocation always has curious results.

But I am not accusing you of racism for challenging ‘unconsciously perpetuated ‘white privilege’ or ‘outright bigotry in certain sectors.’

I know full well there’s a good chance you’re just repeating your racist baggage because you’ve picked it up somewhere. Probably in the course of perpetuating your ‘unconscious’ white privilege.

I’m accusing you of systemic racism.

Your belief in a model of America that does not exist in its essentials makes it possible for criminals to engage in their violent activities with impunity if they happen to be black. This also applies to others with varying degrees. e.g. Illegal aliens enjoy much higher impunity than blacks. But black criminals may even be raised to Sainthood if they attack a police officer.

This is unacceptable.

Do you really think beating a black senior and stealing his Social Security is the worst I can throw at you? Some of my cases were so bad I had to throw up my lunch.

You’re defending the indefensible. And you’re accusing those of us who care about the victims … of being the cause … with the most egregious, disgusting, and malicious accusation one can make against someone else. People get fired for just a hint of an accusation. No evidence required. No due process necessary.

Accusing someone of ‘racism’ today is the equivalent of going to the inquisition and accusing them of witchcraft back in the day.

So…

Anyone who resists robbery is an ‘unconscious’ racist? Enough already with this nonsense. I’ve been hearing this nonsense for sixty years.

Do you know what you support? Obviously not.

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How do you know you are not one of those people with ‘unconsciously perpetuated white privilege?’ I think you are.

Let me put it another way:

If I am the monster you think I am, what makes you think I’m going to change my mind and agree with you? Do you really think I support robbery in the black community? Rape, murder, child rape, domestic violence, vandalism, homelessness, joblessness, poverty? Any of it?

Yet you believe I do: That it serves some sick and twisted purpose.

But if I am not the monster you think I am, where does that leave you?

God love ya’

Hi brm,

Fair enough, and I’m sorry. I hereby apologize for accusing you of racism. It simply seemed to me that your previous posts were accusing all cops of racism. As you say that is not the case, I will assume I misunderstood, and retract the accusation.

brmckay wrote: But, it isn’t me you are talking about! It is a projection onto me from a combination of real world experience and your own psychological tendencies.

Normally, I would put a snarky suggestion here, but this post has clarified your position in a reasonable manner, and explained your concerns in a respectable way.

Again, not that I agree completely, but I do not dismiss your essential concerns. Nor do I disagree with the idea that they are unimportant.

Also, I cannot deny ‘projection’ of my own psychological tendencies on your posts.

When I come to social media, I usually just want to engage in being ‘social.’ The rest of my own posts – as I often openly admit – are a cheaper substitute for therapy. … I might add, since we’re discussing my mental health … Many men have no access to reliable and confidential mental healthcare. But that’s off-topic.

Off-topic: One of my most disturbing cases, which I cannot discuss here for obvious reasons, led my client to break down in my office. Spent the better part of an hour working with this guy, praying with him, and crying with him. It took a huge toll. (And btw, he was a black law enforcement officer – although, again, that had nothing to do with the case.) On the bright side, I did not lose my lunch that day.

So, yes, I could be projecting in this case.

Nonetheless, I am taking back my judgment of you and your posts only because I misunderstood those posts – according to you. Hopefully that makes sense.

When one stirs someone’s chili – especially when these are serious issues – one has to expect a harsh response. If one did not mean it, that’s another matter.

… I have had to clarify my own comments on several occasions over the last few months: Since my friends – and readers – at my usual sites have misunderstood my comments. And the issues have been ‘hot’ to say the least. So I do understand how difficult it can be to be understood in these short spurts of discourse on serious issues where emotions run high.

An emotional reaction also does not change the underlying facts. Just sayin’

God love ya’ … brmckay … you’re a good person even if I don’t agree with you.

Hi! I flashed on you the other day usually happens I run into the person. and thought / I wonder what you’re doing and then you thumbs up on one of my posts. Synchronicity?

Answer the question where you hanging and you answer the question why are you hanging MHO.
Kind regards from Google…If you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas, or in Latin, qui cum canibus concumbunt cum pulicibus surgent. “He that lieth down with dogs shall rise up with fleas” has been attributed to Benjamin Franklin’s Poor Richard’s Almanack

The very use of the term “Caucasian” is as racist as one can get. The Englishman that coined the terms, for race, listed them as Negroid, Mongoloid, and Caucasian.

Try and find Caucus Mountain DNA in a Western European.

If the term Negroid is racist. And, if the term Mongoloid is racist. Then, the term “Caucasian” is as racist as a filthy and vile racist can get.

Cool … and three stories for the price of one!

… You’re a great dad, and I hope your off-spring appreciate it. They are fortunate indeed to have such a well-qualified father.

… Somehow the tale of meeting your wife fits you. It’s romantic and brilliant – as well as inspired and blessed. I hope and pray you’re happy together for the rest of your days.

***

I would never send my child into a minority-majority school today – even if he shared the same level of permatan. I would not even send a black kid into a ‘melanin-enhancement-zone’ … that would be like sending an Arab kid to a Hamas school just because he’s an Arab.

… as for being Irish-American …

I only bring it up on special occasions; such as to emphasize my ‘white privilege’ in the course of a discussion on ‘racist cops.’

Our family has a history of being classic Irish drunken nut jobs peppered with the occasional talent. Nothing to brag about, but nothing to be ashamed of either. Few of us are blessed with great ancestors, and most of us have to make to with what we have – and hope to pass on something better to our kids. We have a few boomers – including my father – who participated in the Great American Industrial Revolution of the mid-20th C.

One uncle earned a certain award – presented by Bill Clinton, and another co-founded a company that allowed us to park our missiles on Saddam’s wet bar. My dad’s contribution cannot be discussed – or I’d have to eat my cyanide pill. But that’s it. The rest of us are all losers. I’ve even got one cousin whose got 3 engineering degrees and he’s a bigger loser than I am. (Yeah, that pisses me off – he should be running his own business like our uncle, but he’s barely employed. Does insurance now.)

Elizabeth Warren thinks she was a Cherokee, but according to Ancestor .com … our ancestors came to America from Ireland at the height of the potato famine. I don’t know if we were potato serfs or what, but my grandmother’s side became sharecroppers – doing all the work slaves did for Al Gore’s family – and my grandfather’s side oppressed railroad spikes.

We came to Texas allegedly during the Mexican-American War – after two brothers in the line were accused of murder in Indiana. Don’t know if that’s true, but it’s passed through 5 generations, and so may be a bit embellished. It would not surprise me if they fled a draft – and would rather be thought of as killers than cowards.

We barely survived the Depression – and I do mean survived. My paternal grandparents lost all their teeth, and did exactly the same labor as black laborers. His boys went on to take advantage of the post-war boom, see above, but the first toilet they ever had was installed in the shack in 1949.

… and supposedly that’s all ‘white privilege’ …

… ironically, the family was all Demokkkrat up until my paternal grandfather rejected FDR. He hated the man, and had an excellent grasp of the economics despite being a mere laborer. My maternal grandfather was a Demokkkrat. After serving in the war, he reopened his grandfather’s saw mill – and hired black vets as drivers. The Klan burned him out for that, and he was forced to abandon the business and farm. He went to college, and worked for one of LBJ’s lieutenants on the Texas board of education – and then for the NEA … it was first-hand exposure to the NEA’s anti-American, communist and racist views that made him switch parties. He became the first Republican to win office in our home county since Reconstruction – in 1968. He’s also the one with the Ford Fairlane that was regularly perforated with KKK buckshot.

… that’s part of my ‘white privilege’ too I suppose.

I can make it sound exciting or horrible, but it’s really not either one. It’s just ordinary, real Americans trying to do their best despite their own limitations and in the situations they find themselves in.

… you and your lovely wife, and well-raised children have a wonderful week, Achmed!

😉 … God bless you and your family … and you had great parents …

thank you –

… I’m convinced the officers are innocent of the charges

… but the jeopardy level in the toxic political environment is hyper-high

… it’s a wicked case – but fascinating as Spock would say

… you and yours have a wonderful weekend!