[ April 25, 2024 ]
The Democrats speak passionately about protecting the environment. Yet many of them support and align with those who advocate for the BDS Movement against Israel. A country that has perhaps created more technology to protect the environment than any other country in the world. This is a perfect example of why Democrats such as Sanders, Warren, AOC, Tlaib, and many others are full of crap!
Israel should be a model for all environmentalists. That is because Israel did not become a socialist country, while integrating “green” technology and “green” programs. On the contrary, Israel has integrated “green” programs in an economically responsible, practical, and beneficial way. However, the economically illiterate Democrats would not understand anything about such policies. #Trump2020!
Israel Launches Its Largest-Ever Solar-Energy Project, Fueled From the Negev
Story continues below advertisement“The breakthrough in this field enables us, in addition to stopping the use of coal, to significantly promote the 2030 renewability goal,” he added.
The Algeminer, September 5, 2019:
A private Israeli company on Tuesday inaugurated the largest solar project in the country, reported the Israeli financial daily Globes.
Located in the Negev Desert, the Ashalim solar-energy project is the size of a small town, and is currently producing enough energy to power an estimated 70,000 households, according to the report.
Shikun u’Binui Holdings Ltd. chief shareholder Naty Saidoff announced the start of Ashalim’s commercial operations at ceremony attended by Israeli Energy Minister Yuval Steinitz.
“Since I assumed office, I have used every possible means to increase the scope of renewable-energy production, and by doing so, I expect to meet the government goal of 10 percent by the end of 2020,” said Steinitz. “The breakthrough in this field enables us, in addition to stopping the use of coal, to significantly promote the 2030 renewability goal,” he added.
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17 Comments
4 years ago
Well the Israeli’s are usually pretty smart but in this case they appear to have drunk the Kool Aid. For every watt of solar they put into the system there needs to be another watt of fossil fuel power sitting waiting to take up the slack when the solar output drops or stops altogether at night. Solar panels used as base load produce more pollution than they eliminate and in their life time never produce enough power to offset their manufacture, maintenance and eventual disposal. And I worked for years in the solar industry and run my house on stand alone solar in a remote area with no access to the grid.
4 years ago
Reply to
Trevor Fortune
For every watt of solar they put into the system there needs to be another watt of fossil fuel power sitting waiting to take up the slack when the solar output drops or stops altogether at night.
Utter nonsense, Trevor. Overall, electricity use is higher during the day than it is at night. In addition, there are ways of storing energy, although they may not be cost effective in any given application.
Please don’t comment non-sensically. I do appreciate, however, that you observed that the watt is a unit of power, not energy. Energy, however, is what is stored, power is not.
4 years ago
Reply to
Liatris Spicata
Well you obviously know what a nonsensical comment is, must be your years of experience. Since nowhere in the world gets more than 6 peak sun hours per day, and there are these things called clouds that can drop solar output dramatically, as can dust in a desert environment, solar cannot work without a buffer to even out the supply be that a battery bank as in my personal case, or a baseload power generator whether coal, gas, nuclear, or hydro/hydrothermal. Go ahead, calculate the physical size of a storage system that can run any decent size demand. Here in Australia thanks to the idiocy of successive government we have the world’s largest battery sitting in South Australia to back up the useless wind and solar subsidised by the taxpayer. The World’s Biggest Battery, courtesy of sheister Musk, can supply Adelaide for 6 MINUTES.
4 years ago
Reply to
Trevor Fortune
Nothing in your response supports your contention that,
For every watt of solar they put into the system there needs to be another watt of fossil fuel power sitting waiting to take up the slack….
You commented in a highly tendentious manner, including an utterly false claim, about a complex subject.
The World’s Biggest Battery, courtesy of sheister Musk, can supply Adelaide for 6 MINUTES.
I’m not sure what your point was about the 6 MINUTES of power that you claim the battery stores. I don’t know what the goals for the battery were, and you simply provide a provocative disparaging comment devoid of context. Ref 1 below makes the following claim:
And according to a new report by the Australian Energy Market Operator (AEMO), it’s outperforming coal and gas generators on some key measures. …. The big battery could stop another statewide blackout
If it does that, it might justify itself right there- I would not presume to know.
But Ref 2 claims this:
Tesla’s South Australian battery project, described as the world’s largest lithium-ion storage system when it was completed, has managed to save the state a large sum of money. The Hornsdale project, completed last November in 54 days, has reduced costs associated with stabilizing the energy grid by nearly AU$40 million ($28.9 million).
Your claim that the battery can supply Adelaide for 6 MINUTES appears to me to be completely irrelevant- merely a meaningless but incidental distraction intended to manipulate morons.
So it seems to me that in addition to mindlessly disparaging Musk, you are uninformed about the goal of the battery project (or just intentionally deceptive).
Other than that, sir, I am sure your thinking is a fine example of the unswerving pursuit of truth wherever it may lead.
Ref. 1: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-04-06/tesla-battery-outperforms-coal-and-gas/9625726
4 years ago
Reply to
Liatris Spicata
What a maroon. Your response is typical of an indoctrinated lefty NPC. You claim that battery back up can address the failings of solar to provide power when the sun doesn’t shine yet can’t understand that the biggest battery in the world can only do that for 6 MINUTES. Go on, do the math. Calculate the cost and physical size for a battery that can run a city from 3 in the afternoon when solar input starts to decrease to 9 the next morning when it resumes. Then add on the additional size of the extra panels and infrastructure needed to recharge that battery while at the same time powering that city. You do realise that South Australia has had to import massive diesel generators to take up the slack after destroying their coal fired stations and having state wide, that’s right the entire state, blackout when their renewables failed. How do I know you are a lefty? Well you quote the ABC, the most hard left climate alarmism supporting organisation outside the U.S.A. You might as well have quoted The Guardian.
4 years ago
Reply to
Trevor Fortune
What a maroon.(sic?) (Aussie slang, perhaps)
Did you mean moron- in which case, I suggest you look in a mirror. But your ilk cannot rationally debate an issue- you can only resort to mindless name calling. Exactly what I’ve come to expect of people who present as you do. Adding you to the local goon squad.
You do realise that South Australia has had to import massive diesel generators to take up the slack after destroying their coal fired stations …
No, I did not know that. It’s completely irrelevant to any point I have made in this discussion, however. You have a penchant for assembling random facts that do not cohere into a case.
How do I know you are a lefty? Well you quote the ABC
Pathetically stupid logic. But I notice you didn’t address the substance of the claim- you simply mindlessly disparage the source, which in turn, was basing its claim on statements by the AEMO. But of course, you know much better than AEMO.
As best I can tell, the purpose of the battery is to provide some sort of continuity during an emergency, perhaps while backup systems are switched online. Not, as your claim suggests, to power the city of Adelaide.
Gad, sir, you are truly a froth-spewing idiot with nothing intelligent to say.
4 years ago
Reply to
Liatris Spicata
I was quoting Bugs Bunny “what a maroon” and I regret calling you a moron really, it is too insulting to morons. If you cannot understand that an intermittent energy source has to be backed up watt for watt with baseload power then you really don’t qualify as high enough IQ to reach moron level. It was you that claimed that storage could be used to provide back up power when solar wasn’t available but you cannot provide any instance where that is so and cannot do the math to understand that it can never be so. To provide back up for even a small city for even the 18 hours when there is not peak solar input, let alone if there were several days of overcast weather, would require an array and battery bank bigger than the city.
Too prove your mental deficiency lets examine this statement of yours;
As best I can tell, the purpose of the battery is to provide some sort
of continuity during an emergency, perhaps while backup systems are
switched online. Not, as your claim suggests, to power the city of
Adelaide.
I never claimed it’s purpose was to power Adelaide in an emergency or otherwise, that was the Labor government’s claim to justify spending taxpayers money on the battery. And you quote some supposed savings but fail to mention that South Australia, since they destroyed their coal fired power has now the highest power prices in Australia and very close to the highest in the world, and still they refuse to reveal how much they paid Monk for his battery.
So lets assume there is an emergency. You have six minutes to resolve it or you are in total blackout. Be nice to be in the middle of an operation at the local hospital and have everything go dark wouldn’t it. And that six minutes by the way is only if Adelaide alone is drawing from the battery. If it was a state wide black out as happened previously the battery would last seconds rather than minutes.
To quote a sub moron intellect I ran into recently Gad, sir, you are truly a froth-spewing idiot with nothing intelligent to say.
4 years ago
Reply to
Trevor Fortune
I was quoting Bugs Bunny …
Well Bugs Bunny is certainly an authority worthy of your intellectual mettle.
If you cannot understand that an intermittent energy source has to be backed up watt for watt with baseload power then you really don’t qualify as high enough IQ to reach moron level.
You assume constant load. Not the case here, jerk.
But your favorite publication (Ref 1) says this:
Almost $2m of that [revenue from operations] was from its 10-year contract with the SA government to provide reserve capacity for the state’s electricity network, which is worth $4m a year. The rest was from trading on the frequency and ancillary services market.
So the purpose of the battery, far from powering Adelaide, appears primarily to address transient and “ancillary” needs for which, per my previous references cited on this thread, the battery seems better suited than other solutions.
I mention this not to persuade you, who cares not to address facts that might disturb his ignorant world view, but to offer others here a reasoned perspective.
4 years ago
Reply to
Liatris Spicata
Wow, you did it, you quoted the Guardian. You really area a first grade sub moron intellect. What the hell does constant load have to do with anything? You obviously have zero actual experience with power systems. I on the other hand have been working in the renewable energy industry since 1983, was industry association liaison with the Australian Federal government when subsidies were first provided to allow people in remote areas, where the cost of installing a grid connection was greater than $20,000, to purchase stand alone systems, worked with Standards Australia to establish the standards governing their design and installation and was at University of New South Wales for the switch on of our very first grid interconnect system in Australia.
Reserve capacity for the state’s network?, yeah all six minutes maximum worth paid for by taxpayers and subscribers with the highest electricity prices in Australia. Up until recently that is since now Victoria which has also been destroying base load power has overtaken them with their power prices skyrocketing by 300% in the last decade. I bet you don’t even realise that a grid interconnect system has to have mains present or it shuts down since it no longer has the 50Hz sync signal it needs to operate.
You’re out of your depth, quite while a bit of you is still above water.
4 years ago
Why would Israel want to get involved with this?
Solar is inefficient and over priced. There is no future in it unless you live in a desert….
Jumping on a propaganda driven trend is unwise….
4 years ago
Reply to
felix1999
There is above average sunshine there, and the eyesore is away from the population.
4 years ago
Reply to
felix1999
Well, Israelis *do* live in a desert. There’s also the additional boost of wind-power, which can likewise be stored in the right sort of batteries. And any kind of flowing water can turn an undershot wheel, which can turn a generator. The best approach is a mixed one. And yes, we must stop burning coal; coal is much too valuable to burn!
4 years ago
Fine with the “private sector” investment, but was there any SUBSIDY from Israel and part of the USA’s $2 BIL dollar investment into Israel ???
Solyndra was a pure scam and money laundering for the Demo party
$530,000 investment into political candidates yielded $500+ MILLION in subsidies (grants, nopayback loans)
4 years ago
SUPER! Meanwhile, palestinians learn to beat their wives!!
4 years ago
Self-sufficiency for Israel is an important goal and I am pleased to see that great advances are being made.
4 years ago
This belongs here too.
http://b1ff5939f6.nxcli.net/2019/09/jewish-students-app-4blind.html/#comment-4609254122
