Can Everybody Just Calm Down?

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In his 2015 book, So You’ve Been Publicly Shamed, Jon Ronson discusses the “disconnect between the severity of the crime and the gleeful savagery of the punishment.” Yesterday’s media frenzy following President Trump’s Helsinki news conference with Putin is a perfect case in point.

No, it wasn’t Trump’s greatest moment. Although we wish he’d been stronger with Putin, it wasn’t treasonous to say that Putin strongly denied the allegations. Would it have been preferable for Trump to have demanded a confession from Putin? Was Trump supposed to call Putin a liar and risk alienating him completely? If he did, he would be accused of bringing us to the brink of nuclear war, just as when he exchanged insults with Kim Jong Un last year.

So much for not discrediting the President when he is overseas. The media attacked Trump with “gleeful savagery.”

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Consider the following reactions to President Trump’s news conference with Putin on Monday:

CNN’s Chris Como: Russian election hacking is an act of war.

Tom Steyer: President Trump has committed treason.

Josh Marshall: Putin has some kind of hold on Trump.

Hey liberals, remember this? “Pssssst: Please tell Vladimir I’ll have more flexibility after the election.”

Tucker Carlson interviewed NYU Russia expert Stephen L. Cohen, who had harsh words for the press. (Cohen is quick to say he did not vote for Trump.)

TUCKER CARLSON: Assess, if you would, the reaction today to this press conference and to the summit between Putin and Trump.

STEPHEN F. COHEN: The reaction by most of the media, by the Democrats, by the anti-Trump people is like mob violence. I’ve never seen anything like it in my life.

This is the president of the United States, doing what every other president before him, since FDR in 1943 with Stalin, meeting with the head of the Kremlin. And something that every American president since Eisenhower, a Republican by the way, has met with the leader of the Kremlin for one existential purpose: To avoid war between the nuclear superpowers.

Today, in my considered and scholarly long time judgment, relations between the U.S. and Russia are more dangerous than they have ever been. Let me repeat: Ever been, including the Cuban missile crisis.

I want my president to do — I didn’t vote for this president — but I want my president to do what every other president has done. Sit with the head of the other nuclear superpower and walk back the conflicts that could lead to war, whether they be in Syria, Ukraine, the Baltic nations, these accusations of cyber attacks.

Every president has been encouraged to do that and applauded by both parties. Not Trump.

Look what they did to him today. They had a kangaroo court. They found him guilty. And then you had the former head of the U.S. CIA, who himself ought to be put under oath and asked about his role in inventing Russiagate, calling the President of the United States treasonous. What have we come to in this country? And what is going to happen in the future?

Chris Wallace’s interview gave us insight into how Putin lies/evades/manipulates. Unruffled, Putin acts as if you are simply misunderstanding something. He has either convinced himself of his own innocence as when he said, “If anything, it (the meddling) was patriotic citizens” or he is just a very accomplished liar. Probably both.

When Wallace confronted Putin with the indictment document of the twelve Russian spies, he waved it away as if it were trivial or silly. In Putin’s world, election meddling is not much of a crime anyway. Moreover, the US has interfered in foreign elections. The most recent example was Obama’s unsuccessful attempt to unseat Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in 2015.

He also minimized Russian actions with remarks such as, and “I’m sorry you have been deceived by” such and such. When asked by Wallace “why do so many of your critics end up dead?” Putin pointed to the atrocities that have occurred in the US, specifically the assassinations of JFK and MLK. Putin would not yield one inch.

Everyone is trying to determine why Trump did not project more strength in the face of Putin’s refusal to admit that his government interfered in our election. None of us know what was discussed between Trump and Putin behind closed doors. Perhaps Putin shared some intelligence regarding the actions of the FBI in the Russian collusion case. The point is that we don’t know the facts.

Was anyone genuinely expecting Putin to confess? And really, how important is it that he does?

 

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livingengine
livingengine
5 years ago

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Suresh
Suresh
5 years ago
Reply to  livingengine

Arms industry has bribed most politicians and media to run “Russia is evil” without iota of evidence of wrong doing. Just as they pushed the saddam has WMD and supports al-qaeda to justify blowing up trillions and keep American taxpayer fooled. And needless to say they got very very Rich !

Its not Putin but all these scumbags who are real threat to America because of their false propaganda and war mongering. They want Trump to continue the farce or else he is deemed “traitor”

And what about real traitor who sold out to iranians for cash http://tinyurl.com/mcake4d

If Russia used same tactics they would sell out America for a song

Janet
Janet
5 years ago
Reply to  livingengine

Who’s a traitor? It’s not President Trump! Now if you called Hillary that I might agree with ya. Huge speaking fees from Russia. Money going to Clinton Foundation from Russia and selling some of our uranium to you guessed it Russia!

tatka150
tatka150
5 years ago
Reply to  Janet

Not “some of our uranium”. She sold 20% of ALL OUR URANIUM! And still is not in jail:(

Frank
Frank
5 years ago
Reply to  Janet

Janet, livingengine displayed the traitor sign with the Obama symbol as the letter ‘o’.

tom
tom
5 years ago
Reply to  livingengine

An open letter to the Left and all Trump haters….

You still haven’t figured out Trump. He’s not a Republican really, he’s a revolutionary, an anomaly who doesn’t fit any category neatly. He’s a lot more Citizen Kane than Jerry Springer. Underestimating him got the Democrats beat last time. They didn’t take him seriously and still don’t. This is a mistake, and a lesson it looks like they’re going to have learn all over again.

Trump is also a well above average speaker. The reason people cheer at his rallies is because they like what he is saying and the way he says it. If Hillary hadn’t had someone holding up an applause sign no one would have known when to clap at her scripted, boring, platitude-filled monologues.

Trump is hardly the worst person to hold the office. Politics in this country is not a tea party and never has been. So saying that Trump after two years in office is dragging the presidency to its lowest level is laughabIe. I think JFK ( the Harvey Weinstein of presidents. He messed around on Jackie so much, the crack of dawn wasn’t safe. One of his liaisons included a mob moll he shared with Sam Giancana, head of the Chicago outfit. He was also hopped up on painkillers and amphetamines most of the time, plus…Bay of Pigs, Cuban Missile Crisis etc.), LBJ (who probably actually had people killed, straight up stole an election, messed around almost as much as JFK, and was so crude and vulgar he makes Trump seem like Little Lord Fauntleroy, got us in Vietnam based on made up incident with the Tonkin Gulf resolution), and Nixon (Trump doesn’t hold a candle to Tricky-Dick when it comes to sleaze and downright nastiness, and of course Watergate and being forced to resign the presidency in disgrace).

And let’s not forget Andrew Johnson ( impeached, botched reconstruction), Andrew Jackson (trail of tears, ignorant hick from the sticks), Grant (his administration was rotten to the core), Harding (Teapot Dome, fathered an illegitimate child, possibly murdered), Bill Clinton (grifter and serial sex offender, impeached). They would all rate higher (or lower), on that scale in my book than Trump. And if sending American troops to their needless deaths in a war in Iraq (George W. Bush), selling out Eastern Europe to Stalin, and herding Japanese Americans into concentration camps without due process and stealing all their property (FDR), isn’t the depths, I don’t know what is. I’m really just scratching the surface here.

So stop freaking out over Trump. And quit trying to reverse the 2016 election, quit rooting for a self-serving, feel-good impeachment on baldly partisan and thoroughly compromised grounds, which would be counterproductive, drawn out, bad for the country, unsuccessful, and poison the political landscape in a tit for tat game of….”you impeach our guy, we’re gonna impeach your’s”, in perpetuity. So if you think you are going to overturn the election results and the Republicans are going to let the next Democratic president slide. No way Jose. He will be subject to the same treatment and worse than Trump is getting now. They’ll see to it, come hell or high water.

Did you ever stop to think that maybe the Russian’s motives all along were to implicate Trump, get the Democrats to get rid of him, and in effect overthrow our own duly elected leader and paralyze our government in special counsels and impeachment hearings? I think they would have done the same for Hillary. Can you imagine the investigations and special counsels that would be going on now if she’d been elected? My point is, in the long run, the Russians don’t really care who is the president. As long as they can set us at each others throats nonstop and cause mass chaos and turmoil, they don’t have to lift a finger to destroy America. Why would they? We’ll gladly do it for them. Yeah, the Russians stepped on our big toe, but the remedy is not to amputate our foot. And hoping that Trump’s presidency is a failure or truncated through impeachment, is like rooting for the front half of a boat your on to sink, and thinking you won’t get wet. At the end of the day, we’re all in the same boat….the good ship USA. You don’t sink the ship because you don’t dig the temporary captain.

If you hate Trump so much….get a message, get a messenger and whip his ass in the next election. That’s the American way. Til then, quit whining, and quit being outraged every five minutes. It must be exhausting dropping your monocle in the gazpacho every time Trump blows his nose in a way you find unacceptable. I’m surprised he hasn’t been accused of picking his feet in Poughkeepsie yet. I mean, the left and the media are obsessed with him. He’s got ocean front property in both their heads and it shows. Trump Derangement Syndrome is real. I can speak from personal experience.

Listen. You can’t beat Trump with personal attacks. He doesn’t care what his pathological, knee-jerk detractors think of him as a human being. He must be bested politically. But advocating socialism, shutting down free speech, relentless identity politics, open borders, sanctuary cities, abolishing ICE, raising taxes, more regulation, weaker defense, leading from behind, continually slamming half the country as evil, stupid, xenophobic, misogynist racists, chumming up to the radical agenda(s) of Black Lives Matter, CAIR, Antifa, third wave feminists, the lunatic PC wing of the party, and screaming at people you disagree with in public, and encouraging others to do so, is a recipe for political suicide.

And endlessly calling Trump every name in the book will get you precisely where it’s gotten you so far…nowhere. So give it a rest. Nobody’s perfect…I bet you once told your mother to shut up or something equally egregious. How would you like every moment of your life to be put under the microscope for public consumption? Unless you’re Jesus (and you’re not), you too have sinned.



Put America and Americans first (I can’t believe this is a controversial concept), and maybe then your guy or gal or transgender or gender neutral, candidate, will oust the loathed and dreaded Trump, and the left can begin to build a progressive, multicultural utopia of hugs, rainbows, unicorns and safe-spaces for everyone near the Big Rock Candy Mountain. Good luck.

felix1999
felix1999
5 years ago
Reply to  tom

Honestly it is Trump against the world.

He gets it but fighting it is tough. The DEMS and the GOPe are fighting him. Few are on Trump’s side in the swamp. The EU wants to keep screwing us with trade as well as China. The U.N. , NATO, and the WTO are used to screwing us and MUSLIM dominated (UN NATO) . So Trump has his BIG hands full so give him some slack. He is doing it FOR US. He could have continued a beautiful life. He put is aside for us. He is forced to be a PRAGMATIST. He will seek the optimal deal he can get under the situation. That means it may not be ideal but he will do his best in stopping the destruction.

John
John
5 years ago
Reply to  tom

Thank you Tom for your excellent post.Americans do not realise that the world is watching.People around the world knew that the country was corrupt.This was already documented,but they are shocked by the depth of the corruption.They know that this is not even the tip of the iceberg.Not a pretty sight.For those who wish to impeach Trump,go ahead,then you will be treated accordingly,the world pariah.

Underzog
Underzog
5 years ago

Hillary lost the election so let’s have World War IIII with hundreds of millions of casualties!

John
John
5 years ago
Reply to  Underzog

They want world war three they will have it.TheChinese,Russians ,Iraniens and other countries have few sces to settle.

Daiseymae
Daiseymae
5 years ago

Well stated!

gfmucci
gfmucci
5 years ago

Another couple of ticks toward civil war. When we hear what some tout as serious treason by the president, it is just a few “incidents” away from a powder keg. More here –> http://muccings.blogspot.com/2018/07/traitor-republicans-bash-trumps-summit.html

Phil McDonald
Phil McDonald
5 years ago

Can you image the outrage of progressive liberals if Trump gave the Iranian regime billions of US $ in gold and cash?

Janet
Janet
5 years ago
Reply to  Phil McDonald

They would of flipped out! And probably impeachment for sure. But with their golden boy Obama, he could do no wrong! Their double standard makes me want to puke!????

RCCA
RCCA
5 years ago

We’re witnessing the attempt of a coup, an orchestrated delegitimization of the 2016 election. Does that sound somewhat dramatic? Yes, but what I am seeing is a little scary.

The idea of the indictment of the 12 Russians right before the Putin meeting was to embarrass Trump, either to sabotage his efforts of diplomacy with Putin, or strengthen the claim of collusion if Trump did not publicly confront Putin on election interference. Admitting Russian meddling automatically gets translated into an admission of collusion, and a delegitimization of the 2016 election by the leftist media. Trump got caught up in that trap. I can’t even imagine being him and having to deal with this sh*t and still do his job.

I am seeing numerous claims by Democrat Representatives who claim they were hacked (by Russians) and lost their elections, not that they can assert a real connection. I am also seeing numerous claims that info from Clinton’s election plans were hacked and that used to alter the election results, in Wisconsin, for example. This is viciousness on steroids, beyond anything I can even imagine or comprehend.

RCCA
RCCA
5 years ago
Reply to  RCCA

For another example of this evil, bureaucratic “horror movie.” CNN just published “Justice Department officials were mindful of Trump’s upcoming meeting with Putin so Rosenstein briefed Trump on July 9 about the forthcoming indictment before the President left on his European trip, the sources said. The timing of the indictment was discussed, but no decisions were made at the meeting. After consultations between Trump and top White House officials, the White House later told Justice not to hold off in announcing the indictment, according to the sources.” https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/17/politics/rosenstein-trump-brief-indictments/index.html

A classic set up — if Trump had told Rosenstein to hold off, then there would have been a leak that Trump was obstructing justice. Because Trump didn’t delay the release, then the DOJ conspirators can’t be blamed.

felix1999
felix1999
5 years ago
Reply to  RCCA

It was all orchestrated in advance. Yes, they are trying to STOP TRUMP and sabotage him in any any they can. The longer Trump is in, the more damage he is doing to their utopia. Both sides HATE it. You are right and it is scary times!

Too much to write about here…
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/07/17/paranoia-may-destroy-ya-the-collective-response-from-the-co-conspirators/#more-151895

In general, ALWAYS use this website for info that is accurate.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/

Dennis
Dennis
5 years ago
Reply to  RCCA

Your reference to “viciousness on steroids” is right on point and I commend your use of that phrase. That “viciousness” that you refer to equates to a dovishness in this country that is being enjoyed by our adversaries like Russia, China, North Korea, Iran, and others out there, as evidence that this country is committing suicide within its own borders. The established media, talking heads, so-called pundits, Democratic Party who see Trump as someone who is challenging there power and control, are doing everything they can do to bring him down, so as to protect themselves from loss of that power and the greed that comes along with wielding that power. These power hungry people do not give a damn about how this is affecting the citizens of this country. The Democrats have no real or reasonable policy, except one of hate and frustration having lost an election to Trump, one they were convinced they could not lose. Instead of accepting the peoples vote, they and the media and the talking heads have decided to try anything to bring down this newly elected President. I have never seen anything like it. They suppress any thought that they do not agree with and they are using our legal system to cause grief to our chief executive officer. Our only salvation is for an overwhelming election of Trump supporters this November, an event that would bring down those fools out there who are bringing shame to this great country.

Dennis
Dennis
5 years ago
Reply to  Dennis

I meant “divisiveness” not “dovishness, although both words essentially might explain why the rest of our adversaries are laughing at us.

Janet
Janet
5 years ago
Reply to  RCCA

Nailed it!

felix1999
felix1999
5 years ago
Reply to  RCCA

Why would anyone care what John Brennan has to say!
Here’s why Obama loved him!
YES, he is also a MUSLIM convert too! Ignore sources denying it.

CIA Director Once Voted for Communist Presidential Candidate
..
CIA Director John Brennan voted for the Communist Party candidate in the 1976 presidential election.

Brennan told a congressional panel last week that he “froze” while taking a CIA polygraph test four years later when the questioner asked him if he had ever worked with or for a group that was “dedicated to overthrowing the U.S.,” CNN reported.

“This was back in 1980, and I thought back to a previous election where I voted, and I voted for the Communist Party candidate,” Brennan said at a panel discussion regarding diversity in the intelligence community during the Congressional Black Caucus Foundation’s annual conference.

Brennan said he decided to acknowledge his vote for Communist Gus Hall, the Communist Party USA’s four-time presidential candidate, when undergoing the lie detector test.
http://freebeacon.com/politics/cia-director-once-voted-for-communist-presidential-candidate/

See why Obama liked him? A communist FIRST and a MUSLIM second –
just like Obama and Jarrett etc…

Drew the Infidel
Drew the Infidel
5 years ago
Reply to  felix1999

Brennan has gone whole hog, no pun intended, since he is married to a raghead. To paraphrase the bank card ad, “What’s in your burka?”

felix1999
felix1999
5 years ago
Reply to  RCCA

You are seeing correctly.
Trump did NOT collude with the Russians. The DEMS did! Specifically Hillary and Bill…. Putting that aside, COLLUSION alone is not a crime. Yes, read that again, collusion is not a crime. What they are doing with theses pointless investigations is to CREATE A CRIME for TRUMP since there is NO CRIME and we as tax payers get the bill for it.

I think you would find THIS very interesting:
Swamp Guardian Chris Wallace Interviews Russian President Vladimir Putin…
Posted on July 16, 2018 by sundance
The primary guardian and gatekeeper of the DC Swamp, Chris Wallace, sits down for an interview with Russian President Vladimir Putin.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/07/16/swamp-guardian-chris-wallace-interviews-russian-president-vladimir-putin/#more-151859

This article is very specific with names, roles and dates and the PATTERN going on to try and get Trump when there is nothing to get.

Paranoia May Destroy Ya’ – The Collective Response From the Co-Conspirators…
Posted on July 17, 2018 by sundance

At first glance saying: yesterday was a very good day, might sound like spin. However, for those who have been frustrated about the lack of righteous push-back from the executive office; the attacks from the former “spygate” co-conspirators might be just what is needed to trigger President Trump to declassify the underlying material.

Consider the tweets from James Comey (former FBI), John Brennan (former CIA), Sally Yates (former DOJ), and statement from Ash Carter (former DoD).
Example:

John Brennan

Donald Trump’s press conference performance in Helsinki rises to & exceeds the threshold of “high crimes & misdemeanors.” It was nothing short of treasonous. Not only were Trump’s comments imbecilic, he is wholly in the pocket of Putin. Republican Patriots: Where are you???

Think about the bigger questions: Why would former administration officials feel the need to engage in such discourse? What exactly does their response say about their personal attachment to current events? …and more importantly, what do they all have in common?

If you note they are all connected to the intelligence apparatus, and more specifically the well documented FISA abuse, well, yeah, things start making a lot of sense. After all, at the center of all the intelligence corruption in 2015/2016 is the exploitation of FBI/NSA databases for political opposition research and weaponization.

The over-the-top responses to a meeting and press conference between President Trump and Russian President Putin highlights the extent to which the prior officials have formed all of their defenses around the Russian conspiracy narrative. They are all-in.

The Russian conspiracy narrative was formed as both their insurance policy against a Trump administration; and a necessary collective defense -passed on to Robert Mueller inc- to ensure an offense was always present to insure their activity never surfaced.

However, in a rather unusual way, an elevated urgency in attack formation by the Scheme Team; their UniParty allies in the DC swamp; and their media advocates writ large; might end up pushing Trump toward a position where he decides to unleash the atomic sledgehammer of truth and declassify material that will finally outline the plot publicly.

One thing is sure, Trump won’t quit the fight; I’m not sure they realize that… yet. So in an odd way, and specifically because there’s an abundant amount of material available for declassification that can highlight the fraud, I find myself happy to see the increased vitriol. Example: Think about what would happen if Trump took away the redactions from the April 2017 FISA Court Order/Ruling on the 2015/2016 FISA abuse.

As President Trump noted in his interview with Maria Bartiromo recently, his ‘advisers’ have all recommended he stay away from the ongoing congressional battles against current FBI and DOJ officials. The one thing that can change the geography of that dynamic is if the schemers (being protected by the career officials) begin taking ground.

One thing is sure, amid the timely coordination between Team Mueller and the former officials the desperation is more visible. And when an increased desperation is visible, that generally means there’s something closer to the surface that needs to be hidden.

With that in mind a picture is emerging that might begin to reconcile some of the events noted in the past several weeks.

LOTS MORE HERE:
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/07/17/paranoia-may-destroy-ya-the-collective-response-from-the-co-conspirators/#more-151895

This is the BEST website for TRUTH on the phony Trump investigation.

gfmucci
gfmucci
5 years ago
Reply to  RCCA

Pardon my conspiracy instinct, but even the 10 second blackout during his post summit news briefing in the White house was part of the scheme to embarrass Trump.

felix1999
felix1999
5 years ago
Reply to  gfmucci

I don’t know about that.
I’d bet the room was crowded and someone backed up against the light switch. I read it was John Kelly that was responsible.

RCCA
RCCA
5 years ago
Reply to  gfmucci

Fortunately he’s got the personal fortitude to laugh it off.

Es werde Licht
Es werde Licht
5 years ago

Every normal person with mind knows that goverments with power and money spy and interfere.
On his own people and on foreign goverments.
“Countrys have no friends, countrys have interests”.
China did, Russia did and also USA under Obama did. If someone is catched then the show of morality begins.
Morality is just used when the other side is catched and if it´s good for their own agenda.
Trump is not a saint but he is doing a fantastic job. One of the best politician I´ve seen.
This corrupt swamp just fear his success.

John
John
5 years ago
Reply to  Es werde Licht

The USA has been inteferring in elections for years.It does not only psies on its citizens on everyone around the world.The swamp has been exposed.The world took notice.

Janet
Janet
5 years ago

Of course they are flipping out! They will do anything to find a way to get President Trump out. Liberals are making asses of themselves ???? LMAO. You know the old story. The sky is falling, the sky is falling! First it was separating children at the border from their parents even though they are coming in illegally and breaking the law and now this week were right back to Russia again. When these a**holes start talking impeachment, I say try it! You think your protests are big and bad? Wait until you see conservatives! I am so tired of them beating this President down constantly because he’s not one of theirs. He loves this country and proves it everyday! He doesn’t need this crap. But he’s working hard to keep us safe and free. Something the liberals won’t do if they ever get back in power God forbid. Thank you President Trump! #MAGA ???????? Trump/Pence 2020!

tatka150
tatka150
5 years ago
Reply to  Janet

Great said, Janet. MAGA! God Bless Trump!

John
John
5 years ago
Reply to  Janet

And what will happen if they oust Trump?The US will have no credibility.

leonore35
leonore35
5 years ago

For all intents and purposes Putin is a dictator, nobody in their right mind ever expects dictators to say they are or were wrong or admit to anything not in their own interest. Putin also, unlike Trump, does not have to concern himself with any hostile press as the only media is state controlled just like in USSR and Nazi Germany. I am sure Putin and several other world leaders are very amused by the way the US MSM treats Pres. Trump..

R. Arandas
R. Arandas
5 years ago
Reply to  leonore35

Well, Russia is still a bit better than countries like Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, I think. They do have SOME democratic rights there even now.

John
John
5 years ago
Reply to  leonore35

They are more than amused,they are laughing their heads off,and so are the people around the world.American presidents never admitted they meddled in elections.They meddled in Iran,Australia under Whitlam.The CIA backed the army putsch against De Gaulle in 1961.They interferred in South and Central America.Killed Diem etc etc a long list.By the way Kennedy did not trust the CIA,wanted to scatter it to the wind,so he was he a Russian agent?Un American?

Alleged-Comment
Alleged-Comment
5 years ago

Coma says hacking is an act of war – Why do you let two Pakistani brothers hack your parties computer then? Oh, I forgot, Demoncraps are at war with Americans.

President Trump has committed treason – why did you not speak up and REVOLT against the Negro sodomite who USURPED the Presidency? Scared of Negroes?

Pootin has some kind of hold on Trump – LOL! I think Pootin has a hold on you crazed Demoncraps.

felix1999
felix1999
5 years ago

Comey is full of shiiiit.
So where was Comey when the DEM servers were hacked?
No act of war then? They trip themselves on their non stop lies and hypocrisy.

R. Arandas
R. Arandas
5 years ago

Not this drama again!

Drew the Infidel
Drew the Infidel
5 years ago

Some situations are universal. Trump, like a football coach, would love to have an assistant on his staff with a mind like a steel trap who could call the right play in every situation. Unfortunately, he cannot persuade that person to lay down his hot dog and soda long enough to come down to the sideline and dispense his time-honored wisdom and advice.

If Trump were to walk across the water of he Potomac the critics would fault him for being unable to swim.

turkeychoker
turkeychoker
5 years ago

the sharks think they smell blood in the water. Pres. Trump should have doubled down on his suggested distrust of our so called patriotic intel agencies. He should never compromise w/the left. Never. When the good compromises w/evil,evil wins.

felix1999
felix1999
5 years ago
Reply to  turkeychoker

I listened to all he said and didn’t have a problem with it but in the swamp, when it is politically expedient, to RUSSIA our enemy to get at Trump – they do it! The swamp doesn’t like Trump. Ryan, McConnell, Flake, McCain, Rubio, Cruz etc. HATE him. Reagan had an advantage being Governor because he had tried and trusted friends to fill his administration. Trump didn’t. Trump only has a handful of decent people he can depend on. So when they can smack him, they jump on it. Hopefully we can get rid of more swamp dwellers in the midterm.

turkeychoker
turkeychoker
5 years ago
Reply to  felix1999

Da

felix1999
felix1999
5 years ago

Understanding Trump…Trump does this all the time with different people…

Negotiating with Putin

Putin is a bad guy. A really bad guy. He is better than Lenin. Better than Stalin, Khrushchev, Kosygin, Brezhnev, Pol Pot, Mao. But he is a really bad guy.

Here’s the thing: Putin is a dictator. He answers to no one. He does whatever he wants. If there arises an opponent, that guy dies. Maybe the opponent gets poked with a poisoned umbrella. Maybe he gets shot on the street. Maybe the opponent is forced to watch Susan Rice interviews telling the world that Benghazi happened because of a YouTube video seen by nine derelicts in Berkeley and that Bowe Berghdal served with honor and distinction. But, one way or another, the opponent dies.

Trump knows this about Putin. And here is what that means:

If you insult Putin in public, like by telling the news media just before or after meeting with him that he is the Butcher of Crimea, and he messed with our elections, and is an overall jerk — then you will get NOTHING behind closed doors from Putin. Putin will decide “To heck with you, and to heck with the relationship we just forged.” Putin will get even, will take intense personal revenge, even if it is bad for Russia — even if it is bad for Putin. Because there are NO institutional reins on him.

But if you go in public and tell everyone that Putin is a nice guy (y’know, just like Kim Jong Un) and that Putin intensely maintains that he did not mess with elections — not sweet little Putey Wutey (even though he obviously did) — then you next can maintain the momentum established beforehand in the private room. You can proceed to remind Putin what you told him privately: that this garbage has to stop — or else. That if he messes in Syria, we will do “X.” If he messes with our Iran boycott, we will do “Y.” We will generate so much oil from hydraulic fracturing and from ANWR and from all our sources that we will glut the market — if not tomorrow, then a year from now. We will send even more lethal offensive military weapons to Ukraine. We can restore the promised shield to Eastern Europe that Obama withdrew. And even if we cannot mess with Russian elections (because they have no elections), they do have computers — and, so help us, we will mess with their technology in a way they cannot imagine. Trump knows from his advisers what we can do. If he sweet-talks Putin in public — just Putin on the Ritz — then everything that Trump has told Putin privately can be reinforced with action, and he even can wedge concessions because, against that background, Putin knows that no one will believe that he made any concessions. Everyone is set to believe that Putin is getting whatever he wants, that Trump understands nothing. So, in that setting, Putin can make concessions and still save face.

That is WHY Trump talks about him that way. And that is the only possible way to do it when negotiating with a tyrant who has no checks and balances on him. If you embarrass the tyrant publicly, then the tyrant never will make concessions because he will fear that people will say he was intimidated and backed down. And that he never will do. Meanwhile, Trump has expelled 60 Russians from America, reversed Obama policy and sent lethal weapons to Ukraine, and is pressing Germany severely on its pipeline project with Russia.
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He is a tough and smart negotiator. He sizes up his opponent, and he knows that the approach that works best for one is not the same as for another. It does not matter what he says publicly about his negotiating opponent. What matters is what RESULTS months later.

https://spectator.org/everyone-is-smart-except-trump/#

Achmed Mohandjob
Achmed Mohandjob
5 years ago

It’s now rumored, of course anonymous sources, the President Trump’s Chief of Staff lobbied Republicans to rebuke Trump, following the US/Russia press conference. Time for that little coward (whatever happened to generals? What changed them into cowardly traitors) to be given the boot. With a chief of staff, such as paddy-mic kelli, who needs Democrat Party member enemies?

Laurence Jarvik
Laurence Jarvik
5 years ago

Pam, they are doing to President Trump what they did to you…attempting to destroy him utterly…there was nothing wrong with the summit or the press conference, as Angelo Codevilla said in American Greatness: https://amgreatness.com/2018/07/17/diplomacy-101-vs-politics-writ-small/. There is something very wrong in the response from the media, Democrats, and GOP Congressional leadership, IMHO dangerously wrong. They are objectively undermining the President’s attempt to avert nuclear war.

Moya McNulty
Moya McNulty
5 years ago

ROSENSCHSTEIN’s announcement of Russian ‘collusion” by 12 Russian spies was an ACT OF COLLUSION on the part of
Rosenschstein – purposely made to humiliate and confound our President – just hours before his meeting with Putin.
Rosenschstein is a pig.

Underzog
Underzog
5 years ago

This harassment of those 12 GRU people is regarded as a serious security mistake by some as Russia might retaliate against our spies in Russia. But maybe the lib/commies are right and Pres. Trump’s meeting with Putin is worse than the Bubonic Plauge that killed half of Europe in the 14th Century. Yeah, that comment of mine sounds real measured and reasonable.

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