[ April 30, 2024 ]
Terry Jones was sent to jail over a planned protest outside the largest Islamic Center in the U.S. In America 2011, they threw a guy in jail because he planned to protest. Read that again.
The Wayne County prosecutor, Kym Worthy, said fears that Mr. Jones could incite violent counterprotests led them to court. (NY Times)
The collusion and coziness between Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy and the Arab American Anti-Discrimination Committee bears scrutiny. At a dinner, Worthy spoke at at the ADC, and said:
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"I learned that a prosecutors' most important role is to control what cases get into the system, to ensure that justice is done for everyone."
"I want people to say when they were in the Wayne County prosecutor's office that they were treated fairly due to our commitment to civil rights and social justice,"
Not for all, it seems.
Terry Jones was sent to jail in Michigan over a planned protest outside the largest Islamic Center in the U.S. I have seen the most vile displays of subversion, anti-Americanism, Jew-hatred and violence at anti-war rallies during the Bush years. No one said boo. It's free speech. The KKK marches, no one says boo, it's free speech. Monsters protest military funerals, it's free speech. Nazis in Skokie? A-OK. But Islamic jihadis launch the most brutal and bloody attack on America on September 11, 2001, and we haven't stopped apologizing. And now we have turned over our soul, the heart of our freedom.
Pastor Terry Jones never came close to The Islamic Center of America before standing trial to try and get a permit to protest there.
"We definitely will not burn the Koran, we will have no type of burning of Mohammad, those type of things will not take place," said Jones before the trial. But after a short hearing the jury decided his past actions were enough to deny a permit for public protest.
The judge in the case ordered Jones to pay a one dollar bond. When he refused, the judge sent him to jail.
"We are not here demonstrating against the Koran, against their faith, against their rights, we are demonstrating against that radical element," said Jones.
A short time later though, the bond was posted, and Jones went free, with orders from the judge to stay away from the Islamic Center of America for three years.
"With freedom comes responsibility. Speak freely, but don't accuse freely," said Imam Mohammad Ali Elahi of the Islamic House of Wisdom.
More Islamic bullying propaganda.
The collusion and coziness between Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy and the Arab American Anti-Discrimination Committee bears scrutiny.
It is only fair to wonder and ask aloud how objective Worthy could be in deliberation of Terry Jones' right to publicly criticize Islam and sharia in Dearborn, when she was just recently keynote speaker for ADC, one of prime forces behind opposition to Jones.
Photo right: Kym Worthy speaking at the ADC.
Carefully read "UnWorthy's" comments before the ADC, below. What a hypocrite. She stripped Jones of his constitutional rights in blocking his freedom of expression and freedom of speech by stopping his planned protest. Atlas reader Linda exposes Worthy's hypocrisy:
ADC honors "Guardians of Justice" at 9th Annual Judges Night Arab American News (hat tip Linda)
DEARBORN — Around 400 people gathered at the Byblos Banquet Hall on Thursday, October 28 in honor of local "Guardians of Justice" at the ADC's 9th Annual Judges Night. The night featured awards given to two local judges, a human rights group, and former members of ADC for their commitments to preserving justice and civil rights.
"Even in this difficult financial time, ADC has made it a huge priority that this night take place annually because they value the work of judges around them in Michigan," said Kathleen McCarthy, the Judge's Night committee chair.
Fifty judges, as well as government officials and community leaders, attended the event, whose sponsors included DTE and the U.S. Border Patrol.
Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy opened the program as the keynote speaker, feeling that the night's theme was one she could personally relate to.
"The theme is perfect for the prosecutor's office: Guardians of Justice. Our role is that of a gatekeeper," Worthy said. "I learned that a prosecutors' most important role is to control what cases get into the system, to ensure that justice is done for everyone."
Worthy spoke of 10 points that her office is working on to ensure that the community is aware that the prosecutor's office is committed to conserving justice and engaging the local community in our justice system.
She spoke of the safe schools initiative in Dearborn, diversity programs, the possibility of a community court, grant funding from the capital, an anti-bullying statute for Michigan, diversity training for the staff, informational brochures available in more languages, working to relieve the tension between the African American and Arab American communities, diversifying staff by hiring attorneys from different ethnic backgrounds, and handling immigration problems, which she says is the department's biggest issue.
"If you commit a crime American-born, and commit a crime not American-born, I think it is unfair that one is deported and one is not just because of where they were born," she said. Worthy spoke of working with the Immigration and Naturalization Services (INS) to find a way to prevent deportations for minor offenses.
"I want people to say when they were in the Wayne County prosecutor's office that they were treated fairly due to our commitment to civil rights and social justice," Worthy said.
A little background on the The ADC (from Discover the Networks):
- Opposes U.S. aid to Israel
- Opposes ethnic profiling of Arab Americans
- Opposes Patriot Act and the U.S. war on terror
- Supports Palestinian "martyrdom" campaigns in Israel
ADC was a co-plaintiff in the first major legal challenge to a section of the Patriot Act — specifically Section 215, which allows for government access to such information as medical, educational, and library records pursuant to a terrorism investigation. The organization has also endorsed the Community Resolution to Protect Civil Liberties campaign, which tries to influence city councils to pass resolutions of noncompliance with the provisions of the Patriot Act.
The Georgia and San Francisco chapters of ADC were signatories to a February 20, 2002 document composed by the radical group Refuse & Resist, condemning military tribunals and the detention of immigrants apprehended in connection with post-9/11 terrorism investigations. The document accused the U.S. government of rounding up and incarcerating large numbers of Arab, Muslim and South Asian immigrants without cause.
(e) ADC's fifth major objective is “Encouraging a balanced U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East”: In effect, this means discouraging American support for Israel, which ADC views as an oppressor nation that routinely violates the human rights of Palestinians. In August 2006 ADC drew up, for its supporters to sign, a petition that read: “If the United States is to be taken seriously as a peace making nation, it cannot continue to provide the weapons being used by Israel to kill hundreds of innocent people in such brutal and inhumane ways.” In ADC's view, America has more than once been guilty of genocide against foreign populations — sometimes directly through the use of its own military might, and in other cases indirectly, through Israel.
In 1994, then-ADC President Hamzi Moghrabi said, “I will not call [Hamas] a terrorist organization. I mean, I know many people in Hamas. They are very respectable … I don’t believe Hamas, as an organization, is a violent organization.” Two years later, his successor, Hala Maksoud, defended Hamas’ partner in Mideastern terrorism, Hezbollah. “I find it shocking,” Maksoud said, “that [one] would include Hezbollah in … [an] inventory of Middle East ‘terrorist’ groups.” In 2000, new ADC President Hussein Ibish characterized Hezbollah as “a disciplined and responsible liberation force.” James Abourezk called Hamas and Hezbollah “resistance fighters.”
ADC was a signatory to a MAY 20, 2004 Joint Muslims/Arab-American Statement on Israeli Violence in Gaza, which "strongly condemn[ed]" Israel's "indiscriminate killings of innocent Palestinians, including many children," and its "demolition of Palestinian homes." The organization has also expressed its view that Israel’s security barrier in the West Bank is an illegal "apartheid wall." As noted by Debbie Schlussel, when Israel released hundreds of Hezbollah prisoners in early 2004, Imad Hamad, ADC’s Midwest Regional Director, openly celebrated the freedom of "the Heroes." This sentiment was consistent with ADC's longstanding pattern of praising both Hezbollah and Hamas.
ADC formerly ran ads in its publication ADC Times for the Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development, which in 2001 President Bush shut down for funneling millions of dollars to Hamas.
ADC is notable not only for its programs and campaigns, but also for its open expressions of support for some controversial figures. For instance, in 1987 the Committee honored filmmaker Michael Moore for his “courageous efforts in journalism.” A decade and a half later, when University of South Florida professor Sami-Al Arian was indicted on terrorism-related charges, ADC’s Hussein Ibish depicted FBI investigations of Al-Arian “a political witch hunt, a vendetta, and a kind of very, very ugly post-9/11 McCarthyism.”
ADC and its Research Institute have received funding from George Soros's Open Society Institute.
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13 years ago
shame on you america! shame! shame! shame! how much longer are you going to take this lying down?! this american african woman is saying yes to the slaughter of christian black africans.
13 years ago
From the very beginning of the Terry Jones case, I cannot understand why hundreds — THOUSANDS — of other pastors have not joined him in his heroic efforts. This idea should have become a movement sweeping the country. This unworthy judge is just one more corrupt, brain-washed example of the rotten judiciary now ruining our country at every level. The stinking Aegean stables our courts have become must be flooded out and sprayed with disinfectant and some real American judges who understand the law and the meaning of the constitution must be installed. Jefferson said that if America ever went under, it would be because of the judiciary. If the judges are corrupt, the laws do not matter, they are ignored.
13 years ago
pamela:
an important post.
islam supposedly has 3 to 6 million people in the united states.
we all think that we are comfortably removed from threats to our liberty from islam, because there aren’t very many muslims here.
well, this episode shows very starkly, that if you have a toady for a prosecutor, and a toady for a judge, than miscarriage of justice of infringement of freedom can occur and be manipulated even by a tiny percentage of the population, … , when the toadies are in their service.
wayne county sounds like it more properly belongs in iran, than in the united states. it is a shameful day in the united states.
jailed, upon the absence of proof in any sense that he had committed a wrong. jailed, for complying with a permit application process, in the simplest of terms.
i hope he sues the prosecutor and the judge and wayne county for every dime they have.
john jay
milton freewater, oregon usa
p.s. as a former defense lawyer, and a former prosecuting attorney, i find this all very disturbing. what damn country are we in, here.
13 years ago
But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise, and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty. 1 Corinthians 1:27.
13 years ago
The trial was held in Wayne County. Juries chosen to serve are exactly what one would expect.I don’t know, what happens when prosecutors have to embark on a case involving Islam and the US Constitution.
It’s as though something takes over their brains, or what goes for their ‘minds.’
I,also, don’t know, how he was jailed for not posting a dollar when he had not been on a protest, and he had , in fact, missed the time to protest, yesterday.So, he refused to pay, was arrested, but for no action committed.
On WJR AM, on the Paul W.Smith morning program of yesterday, Professor Robert Seidler gave a clear
defense for Terry Jones with citations. There is a podcast to which I refer everyone.He is a (real) Con Law Professor at Wayne State University Law School.It’s worth the effort to listen.He says, Jones attorney should have pre-emptively gone to the Federal Court, which he explains.Unfortunately, he served as his own attorney.
The news is saying there are all kinds of objections coming from scholars, lawyers, professors, etc.
IF this is played out correctly, it could be a definitive case.
I would ,also, like to mention, Petraeus’ statement makes him look like he is identifying with the enemy, although we cannot actually name our enemy, and are, apparently, negotiating with the Taliban.
13 years ago
I remember Kym Worthy as a talking head during the O.J. trial. She was always defending him. How do you prosecute or arrest someone for something they were going to do such as protesting, which is legal?
How much money has the ADC donated to Worthy? Might be worth checking into.
Something smells here. While I don’t condone some of the actions of Jones, he certainly has the right to protest. Wonder if he will appeal? This. Is. Crazy!!
13 years ago
From the Detroit News it looks like CAIR, with the ACLU behind Jones, realizes Worthy took her dictatorial zeal too far, too fast……………
“”Dawud Walid, executive director of the Council of American-Islamic Relations Michigan chapter, said he didn’t believe the pastors should have been jailed, “although I believe Pastor Jones is misguided and has styled to make himself a First Amendment martyr.””
None the less, this is exactly the kind of law the Isalmists demand…………….
“”At the Islamic Center, a cheer went through the crowd of 100 after police announced the jailing.
“”That’s what should happen when people say they are going to break the law,” said Neda Kardri, 29, of Dearborn. “”
Preemptive “crime” prevention based on supposition of one’s intent. It is the Minority Report.
Thank you Pamela for yet another stark reminder of how far down the rabbit hole we’ve gone.
13 years ago
The pisslamic mutants have one of their own in the White House and now it’s all systems go. It was inevitable. They’ve been emboldened and encouraged. We have a feckless, fawning and hopelessly PC House of Repr. An American general (Petraeus) actually used the words “holy koran” and not one of them even blinked or protested. How shameful! Now the cancer that is islam will be infecting each state.
13 years ago
This is all New World Order cr@p. It is accelerating in England and is comming for us here. It is essential that we beg every family member, friend and stranger to vote out ALL the DEMOs and RINOs, they are our major threat against our freedoms. They just use the Islamic Extremist to do their dirty work at usurping our Constitutional rights. The NWO will harshly deal with them when the time comes, AND they will deal with us. Does anyone one this BLOG does not beleive that this sorry piece of pig cr@p WILL not order you to a one way trip to a FEMA Camp?
13 years ago
As Bill Ayers or/and Cass Sustein says 25 to 30 million people WILL NOT be capable of being ReEducated. That means straight to the showers. The only good point is that when the NWO workd on getting the population down to their 500 million to 2 Billion ya know this “LADY” will not make the cut. LOL!
13 years ago
Now you know why people have started calling it Dearbornistan.
13 years ago
They think that we are really going to be silent—but when it comes that little old lady sitting next to you will be the one to strike first!
13 years ago
In August 2006 ADC drew up, for its supporters to sign, a petition that read: “If the United States is to be taken seriously as a peace making nation, it cannot continue to provide the weapons being used by Israel to kill hundreds of innocent people in such brutal and inhumane ways.”
Drew up? More like threw up.
13 years ago
If Terry Jones goes to jail he will become a martyr. Martyrs always gain lots of support. Right now he is a nobody who is getting his 15 minutes of fame.
Putting him in jail will give him the opportunity to start a movement. Perhaps this is his intent. If it is then all of the jihad loving Americans may be in for a surprise.
13 years ago
From The Detroit News: http://detnews.com/article/20110422/LIFESTYLE04/104220401/Pastor-released-from-jail-after-being-held-on-$1-‘peace-bond’#ixzz1KMIxgrfA
They have not yet posted my comments on that article. Here they are.
Neda Kardri, you say YOU are going to break American law by killing infidels, or do you no longer believe in obeying mohammad? Kym Worthy, you can keep Wayne County safe by making every mohammadan in the county wear an ankle bracelet, since you’ve already admitted how prone to violence they are. Carl Marlinga, if the law says THAT, then the judge is an ass, or a mohammadan with NO allegiance to America’s Constitution. Robert Moran, ANY situation which includes mohammadans is a “recipe for disaster.” Read the koran to verify that. Jones HAS been threatened with violence, by MOHAMMADANS. If you can’t protect Americans from them, FEDERAL troops CAN! They start by targeting known armories, i.e., mosques.
13 years ago
When Reverend Terry Jones is our best, brightest and bravest we are in BAD trouble. What a hoosier, cracker, redneck, trashy Good Ole Boy. And yet he sees what is SO OBVIOUS and the Hawvard guys don’t. We are making over this country to please the hissy fits of 7th century barbarians and for absolutely NO reason whatsoever. The Constitution of the U.S. reminds me of Groucho’s reply (here paraphrased) “The First Amendment is so clear a seven year old boy can understand it.” “Well bring me a seven year old boy – I can’t make head or tails of this.”
13 years ago
“Ultimately, stealth jihadists seek — by exploiting the West’s respect for minority rights and cultures — to transform pluralistic societies into Islamic states and to gradually sweep away Western notions of legal equality, freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, and more. Giuseppe Bernardini, a Roman Catholic Archbishop in Turkey, notes that Saudi “petro-dollars” have been used “not to create work in the poor North African or Middle Eastern countries, but to build mosques and cultural centers in Christian countries with Islamic immigration.” This “program of expansion and re-conquest,” says Bernardini, was given voice by a Muslim leader who had candidly told him: “Thanks to your democratic laws, we will invade you. Thanks to our religious laws, we will dominate you.”
From: discoverthenetworks.org
13 years ago
The judge should have ordered her away from her office for three years and a look into her bank account. The one dollar bond indicates the legality and sense of the case.
13 years ago
Interesting response by a local Islamic leader — Dawud Walid, executive director for the Council on American Islamic Relations-Michigan, gives his thoughts:
http://clipsyndicate.com/video/playlist/22392/2400841?wpid=10238 Nixes the judge and what happened, says they should have let Jones protest.
Really makes me wonder what is happening in MI — this seems to be all about Kym Worthy, the ADC, and a mob mentality overruling the Constitution. Apparently there was a counter protest which was permitted. What a sick place.
DEARBORN — For the second consecutive day, a crowd of people turned out in support of Dearborn’s Muslim community and in defiance of the Pastor Terry Jones’ planned Friday protest at the Islamic Center of America, this time in front of Dearborn’s Centennial Library on Michigan Avenue.
Upwards of 300 people showed up to hear speakers that included Publisher of The Arab American News Osama Siblani, Congressman John Dingell (D-Dearborn), Wayne Country Executive Robert Ficano, attorney Ali Hammoud, Ali Sayed and Sheikh Elahi. Siblani said they did not go to the Islamic Center to counter protest because there are four churches on Altar Road next to it and they did not want to cause a traffic jam for those attending Good Friday services.
They came to denounce Jones and stand in solidarity against his views and promote peace in Dearborn and the world, Siblani said.
“Here today, we will send a message,” he said. “This message is not directed one man, but it is directed against the whole world that we are united Americans, that we believe in democracy and we believe in freedom of speech.”
As if.
13 years ago
they destroyed our city of dearborn! sharia is in the city! spread the word to other cities it coming!
13 years ago
Not allowed to protest against radical Islam? And jail? Yet supremacist Muslims are allowed to spit on the graves of our cherished 3,000 with a victory mosque to honor Islam at the site where our beloved 3,000 were slaughtered without mercy by the followers of Islam?
13 years ago
In other cities like Tampa Florida, its already started. Recently a judge ruled to allow Sharia law to be applied in a US Court Case.
13 years ago
“That’s what should happen when people say they are going to break the law,” said Neda Kardri, 29, of Dearborn. “”
Very shocking. Muslim immigrants to America believe that non-Muslims should not PEACEFULLY protest against radical Islam and should be jailed if they attempt to PEACEFULLY protest. And our U.S. court agrees! A HUGE victory for the political/religious totalitarian system of Islam.
Is America already Ameristan?
13 years ago
ABJECT FKING RACISM !!! the most contemptible patently OFFENSIVE BULL FN SH!T there ever was
STFU white america — ‘we’re’ in charge now
there’s your post-racial presdent for ya, F those LYING MFrs
13 years ago
Dearborn has come down on the side of gutting our First Amendment.
And here’s what really worries me: so many Americans hearing this story think that Dearborn’s decision is correct!
Maybe Terry Jones is the whack job of the year. I don’t care. Even so, doesn’t he have First Amendment rights? He apparently believes that Islam is of the devil. So, why shouldn’t he have the right to stand against that devil-made cult? Free exercise of religion is apparently now granted only to Moslems in Dearborn.
13 years ago
John, forcing a man to post a bond for what the Court FEARS he MAY DO/SAY?! How is this not a screamingly obvious case of “prior restraint?” “The Court can’t punish someone for what it fears he may do.” Mygaaawwwwd, it’s like Minority Report with imams.
Why the h@ll isn’t every constitutional law professor in America screaming from the rooftops? Where the h@ll is the ACLU?
Ohhhh, I forgot, Jones is a redneckish Xstian pastor, his rights don’t count.
13 years ago
You can bet that no good will come out of this for Rev Jones. He’s doing this for principle, something most Amewricans do not have. I doubt he will be able to procure the protect our own blessed Heroine has. So may he accomplish what he believes G-d set him out to do.
13 years ago
And how many women were killed this week (or last month or last year) by men who couldn’t be arrested because they hadn’t done anything yet? It happens every day in this country because, until now in Wayne County, it was illegal to arrest people who only intended to commit crimes. And Jones’ arrest was even more loosey-goosey than that because his intended action(s) could have possibly incited some who lack impulse control to commit crimes.
13 years ago
So basically Jones was arrested for what he was THINKING. Like Zerobama say – respect it! OR ELSE! To protest islam or even think about protesting islam is to disrespect it! Islam uber alles! Sieg Heil!
13 years ago
“”That’s what should happen when people say they are going to break the law,” said Neda Kardri, 29, of Dearborn. “”
So, when Obozo spoke during his signing statement that he was not going to follow the law he was signing regarding unfunding the czars, shouldn’t that qualify him for this same treatment????
The founders of this once great nation were shooting assholes like those who jailed the pastor by now!!!
Americans have proven themselves to be spineless worms of the highest order. Americans have shown to the world that we will back down from every fight for any reason. Americans have pissed on the graves of those who fought and died for this nation. Their deaths were in vain!!
The gutless who call themselves Patriots and do NOTHING to stop this bullshit makes me puke!!! How many so called Patriots live where this has happened and were afraid to say boo???? I’m not sure who I’m more angry with, the communists in charge or the yellow Americans who live here!!
13 years ago
“The Wayne County prosecutor, Kym Worthy, said fears that Mr. Jones could incite violent counterprotests led them to court.” (NY Times)
“The Wayne County prosecutor, Kym Worthy, said fears that Mr. Jones might cause Muslims to incite to violence in counter protests led them to court.” is more the truth.
Terry clampett is not the inciter, any more than the Abolitionist William LLoyd Garrison was inciting to violence when he spoke (very eloquently-btw) against slavery. Garrison was arrested numerous times for “incitement.” Once, he burned a copy of the US Constitution (I think on the Boston Common) in protest against slavery, and was nearly killed for that. Garrison was arrested (that time by the Boston Police) for incitement.
The Rev Clampett has every right to express ideas and opinions (Free political speech). His civil rights are being violated and he should sue the city and there should be personal liability lawsuits against any person or persons who deprived Clampett of his first amendment right to express his ideas and opinions re Islam.
Though I find flag burning offensive (or burning the bible offensive e.g.), I believe such is free political speech, and protected by the US Constitution. Terry Clampett of the Holy Hillbillies Church in Gainesville, Florida is being used to restrict free political speech.
13 years ago
DON’T FORGET – whatever you think of Jones he is in SERIOUS DANGER of being murdered. We can talk all we want with our clever blog names and our attitudes. In the end there’ll be no one left but a bunch of ‘ridiculous’ Terry Joneses and Vietnam Vets on Harleys to defend us. I’m in full expectation of Republican Sell Out Part Two for 2012. An inane ‘moderate’ choice that will be even worse than McCain and will lose (or win, it wouldn’t matter). Then it will be time, for our own Velvet Revolution…our soldiers and police joining us as we take back Washington.
13 years ago
“With freedom comes responsibility. Speak freely, but don’t accuse freely,” said Imam Mohammad Ali Elahi of the Islamic House of Wisdom.
This is absolute stupidity from a dim mind named Imam Mohammad Ali Elahi of the Islamic House of Wisdom.
Terry Clampett can accuse all he wants. He is not calling for violence. (The answer to any accusations by Clampett is the exercise of free political speech (ideas and opinions) to prove Clampett wrong in any accusations he makes. It is not permitted to threaten him with violence for his ideas and opinions re Islam, or to silence him because he makes “accusations.”)
It is Muslims who are the danger re incitement to violence in this matter.
(Folks on the Left had better take notice, because this tactic (of deliberately confusing free political speech with incitement) will be one day used against you. (Mark me words on this.)
Clampett is not the issue. The issue is Free Political Speech. Everyone should be concerned re this and be concerned at how Terry Clampett is being used to restrict free political speech.)
13 years ago
I agree that Clampett is in danger of being killed. The PC morons don’t see that he is exercising free political speech and that it is the Muslims who are directly inciting (death threats etc.) or doing the soft-incitement thing (Iago Rauf style with the GZ Mosque e.g)-warning that through they are “moderate,” the “extremists” might be violent if the “moderates” don’t get what they want.
13 years ago
This woman,worthy. Maxine waters,Sharpton et al. Get some more of these types in office and we will be like the white people in South Africa. Make no mistake. These whining losers who want to keep racism alive and well will bond with Islam because they hold the same hate.
13 years ago
It now seems America is starting to be infected by the “Europe” disease of appeasement, AND a coloured social liberal is passing a false judjement on a white person it seems because , in this case, he is a well known consertive. If this woman has trouble in discharging her obligations to the defence of your constitution, one has to wonder why you employ her in this important post. This sort of thing has wrecked peoples faith in the courts and justice in the UK.
13 years ago
Completely agree Sarastro, high office in the church commands obligation, beyond personal views and it seems the “outrage” of your churchmen is as selective as ours in the UK.
13 years ago
It sounds like you’re spitting blood jj, and I fully understand why. The T Blair, GW Bush so admired spent 13 years doing this to us in UK, and we’re STILL mad about lt. This judgment and this woman is YOUR front line in the fight for the soul and future of America, i personaly wish you all well, NO SURRENDER.
13 years ago
Make no mistake they will be testing us more often as we appease. You can add the fustercluck in Egypt and Libya to that list of trial balloons,for that is exactly what they are. See how far the muzz and this regime can push.Anyone who dismisses this Dearbornistan action as the rantings of a lunatic had better take a glance at the EU,much further down the road to sharia than us. A warning. Stay silent,get ready to submit.
13 years ago
“Really makes me wonder what is happening”:
Allah’s Messenger said, “The example of a believer is that of a fresh tender plant; from whatever direction the wind comes, it bends it, but when the wind becomes quiet, it becomes straight again.”
(Sahih al-Bukhari, Vol. 7, Book of Patients, # 5644; Darussalam Publishers, Riyadh, KSA; 1997)
13 years ago
Terry Jones was sent to jail over a planned protest outside the largest Islamic Center in the U.S. In America 2011, they threw a guy in jail because he planned to protest. Read that again.
And we are a free non-Islamic-guided country?
We have been “fighting” “them”–those demented awful people who have high-jacked and twisted a Noble, Peaceful, Proud-worthy religion—“over there,” so we do not—I repeat: WE DO NOT– have to fight them here.
Roger. And thanks for the tip.
Back to Pamela’s statements:
“… commitment to civil rights and social justice,”
Not for all, it seems.
Terry Jones was sent to jail in Michigan over a planned protest outside the largest Islamic Center in the U.S. I have seen the most vile displays of subversion, anti-Americanism, Jew-hatred and violence at anti-war rallies during the Bush years. No one said boo. It’s free speech. The KKK marches, no one says boo, it’s free speech. Monsters protest military funerals, it’s free speech. Nazis in Skokie? A-OK. But Islamic jihadis launch the most brutal and bloody attack on America on September 11, 2001, and we haven’t stopped apologizing.
Of course we haven’t stopped apologizing. We must apologize—we will not win ths war absent the help and support of Muhammad’s Ummah. Thus, to win those hearts and minds, it is incumbent on us all to apologize.
We must show, we are dead serious in our acceptance and reverence of the Prophet, may Allah bless him and give him peace, his message, his Ummah.
As we do so, think Khaybar, Mecca, Yemen—in the days of “the Prophet”—the sum of that seen herein:
The Following text was revealed against the unbelievers among the Kuraish and the Arabs, “Fight therefore against them until there is no more civil discord, and the only worship be that of Allah,” and the following against the “People of the Book.”
“Make war upon such of those to whom the Book has been given as believe not in Allah, or in the last day, and who forbid not that which Allah and his messenger have forbidden, and who profess not the profession of the truth,” etc. to “humbled.” Thus the first among the “People of the Book” to pay poll-tax, so far as we know, were the people of Najran who were Christians.
(Kitab Futuh al-Buldan [The Origins of the Islamic State], Translated by Philip Khuri Hitti; Gorgias Press, 2002; pg105)
Think too–just one example from countless telling, repeatedly, the same story–“the land of al-Bahrain”:
At the beginning of the year 8, the Prophet delegated al- ‘Ala ibn- ‘Adallah ibn ‘Imad al-Hadrami, an ally of the banu- ‘Abd-Shams, to al-Bahrain, giving its people the choice between following Islam or paying tax. With him, the Prophet sent a letter to al-Mundhir ibn-Sawa and Sibukht the satrap of Hajar, giving them the choice between following Islam or paying tax. They both were converted and, together with them, all the Arabs living there and a few Persians. The rest of the population, however, including Magians, Jews and Christians made terms with al- ‘Ala’. (ibid. p 120)
And in the wake of and succeeding years after the Prophets death, under the caliphate of Abu Bark, this progress report from al-Bahrayn: “After al- ‘Ala’ returned to al-Bahrayn … Islam became established in it, and Islam and its people grew strong and polytheism and is people were abased.” (ibid. p. 148)
Guys, who ever pressed and promulgated, “we are fighting them over there so we do not have to fight them here” was either a willing liar or a willing fool.
Whoever believed that foolish assertion, also a fool.
13 years ago
You realize of course that Terry Jones has received 300 “credible” death threats for burning
the Quran right? Credible as determined by the FBI. I have no doubt there are many Muslims who
would like to see this man dead, yet all you can think to do is impugn his motives.
13 years ago
The people who said that and/or believe that do not understand that there is no essential difference between “radical Islam” and plain old “mainstream” Islam. They are all part of the same demonic cult.
13 years ago
Then we better do something to straighten out the believers and their allies who see this as a racism issue. Jessie Jackson sees Jones’s protest as an act of psychological terrorism and we can’t allow that.
The whole Dearborn area needs an emergency teach in on the US Constitution and the First Amendment. Too bad our Constitutional lecturer at the WH is too busy campaigning/fundraising.
13 years ago
poetcomic1 said…
I’m in full expectation of Republican Sell Out Part Two for 2012. An inane ‘moderate’ choice that will be even worse than McCain and will lose “(or win, it wouldn’t matter)“. Then it will be time, for our own Velvet Revolution…our soldiers and police joining us as we take back Washington.”
Roger–America, reckon with that fact.
13 years ago
Radegunda said in reply to Debi Brand…
The people who said that and/or believe that do not understand that there is no essential difference between “radical Islam” and plain old “mainstream” Islam. They are all part of the same demonic cult.
Well stated, Friend.
13 years ago
If Jones is murdered, and I do think someone will try and off him, he’ll likely be relegated to the dustbin of history, with nary a footnote, because most people don’t care. And that thought is beyond completely disgusting.
But frankly, I don’t think most people here can even be bothered to consider this a true constitutional issue. I think most people would probably be just as happy if Jones disappeared, and was never heard from again. Then they can keep their eyes squeezed shut, and keep their fingers in their ears, chanting, “lalalalalalala”, and go on imagining there is not a problem. They will do it all the way until some raghead savages start waving around heads on stakes somewhere in USA-istan. Then it’s too late.
13 years ago
I do believe the prosecutor and the judge should be jailed for contempt of the constitution of The United States. The hard edged military in my nature says vigilance committee. That may be the only thing to stop this madness. As sad as it is to say, it may come to that.
13 years ago
Yeah, lets whine about all the other groups that get to march and whine and no one “Says anything”! Why is it that this guy gets thrown in jail and a stir has been made? Because when he plans his protest, the radical islamics KILL AMERICANS HERE IN AFGHANISTAN! THATS WHY WE ARE SAYING SOMETHING ABOUT IT! JACKWAGON! Step foot over here, and see the results of our freedom of speech! September 11, 2001 is in the past! They killed Americans on our soli! Got it, I was there! Heres the endstate; we’ve been at war since then, TEN years now! Get over it, more Americans have been killed over here and in Iraq since then! I don’t hear you crying about us dying! If you haven’t put forth the effort to help the War on Terror; stop making it harder for those of us fighting for your precious right to whine!!
13 years ago
If you can’t keep yourself alive over there, then come home. Soldiers that need us to give up our God-given, Constitution-protected rights in order to keep themselves alive can’t possibly be fighting for us. You’re doing none of us any good. Come home. Period.
