Pamela Geller, Big Government: Islamic Law Comes to Dearborn

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Islamic Law Comes to Dearborn Pamela Geller, Big Government

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Dearborn, Michigan has become a Sharia enclave, much like those populating many European countries. The city of Dearborn, Michigan denied a permit Wednesday for Qur’an-burning Pastor Terry Jones’ planned protest outside the Islamic Center of America on Good Friday.

Islamic supremacists were handed a victory for their violent intimidation and threats. City spokeswoman Mary Laundroche said that Jones’ permit had been denied for “public safety reasons.” In other words, they’re afraid Muslims will riot. And so the rights of free Americans have to be curtailed.

Terry Jones burned a Qur’an. So what? What happened to the freedom of assembly, the freedom of speech, and the freedom of expression? Terry Jones is prohibited from rallying in Michigan for fear of Islamic violence. Is that how far down the Sharia rabbit hole we have gone? Why is it that any time American law comes into conflict with Islamic law, it is American law that has to give way?

How dare they prohibit this march? Nazis marched in Skokie. Americans better stand up to this enforced Sharia. The idea that Muslims in America would get violent because of Jones speaks volumes about Muslims in America, does it not? Why don’t we don’t see Muslims taking to the streets every time there is an honor killing, or a church bombing, or an act of jihad, jihad piracy, forced marriage, or child slavery? Where are they?

 

Dearborn is trying to charge Jones for the extra police protection that his rally will require. But he is not the one responsible for that; the Muslims who might get violent are. If Jones had burned a Bible, no one would be threatening violence against him. Dearborn should charge the Muslims for the extra police, not Jones.

Once again Dearborn shows itself to be a pro-Sharia city that oppresses Christians. Who can forget the Christians who were arrested for passing out leaflets at a Muslim festival last July? Or the lawsuit that challenges the official cooperation by the city of Dearborn, Michigan with Islamic interests, and makes a stunning allegation: that under the recognized “Shariah” law in the city, there have been “honor killing” murders that have been “covered up”?

Wednesday’s court filing against Constitutional freedoms “equates the actions of zealots in Afghanistan with Muslim Americans in Dearborn.” I pulled that quote from Muslim Brotherhood-tied CAIR. Indeed.

As for Jones, I don’t like book burning, but so what? I have repeatedly stated my position on this. Jones does a grave disservice to the cause of spreading awareness about Islamic teachings and the threat that Sharia poses to our way of life. The burning of books is wrong in principle: the antidote to bad speech is not censorship or book-burning, but more speech. Open discussion. Give-and-take. And the truth will out. There is no justification for burning books.

Nonetheless, if Americans are free and not under Sharia, then Jones can burn any book he wants, and his church and people of like mind can hold any demonstration they want. His freedom and rights should be protected. Islamic supremacists should not be allowed a victory for their violent intimidation — if these people want to stage a protest, they’re free to do so.

This is another challenge to the U.S. to stand up for free speech and free expression. Popular speech needs no protection. As such all Americans should support the right of the church to have done this, even if they dislike what they’re doing.

Many people have said that Jones’s actions will endanger American troops in Afghanistan. This warning is just another terror tactic. It is based on the assumption that the Taliban and others in Afghanistan are fighting us because we are doing things they don’t like, and so if we stop doing those things, they will stop fighting us. But actually they are fighting us because of imperatives within the Islamic faith. They will never like us unless we convert to Islam or submit to Islamic rule. If we stop doing things they dislike, where will we draw the line? How far will Sharia advance in the U.S., with Americans afraid to stop its advance for fear of offending Muslims and stirring them up to violence? The Muslim Students Association is already pushing for halal cafeterias, segregated dorms, segregated gym facilities on campus. This is incompatible with American freedom. We have to draw the line.

I will tell you this: Islamic law (Sharia) cannot, must not, and will not have its way over our free speech. That is worth fighting for, worth dying for.

UPDATE: More on this outrage…….

 

Jones may not be sympathetic, but he has every right to assembly, free speech and free expression. What the hell is he doing in a courtroom? And why does he face jail time? I have seen the most vile displays of subversion, anti-Americanism, Jew hatred and violence at anti-war rallies during the Bush years. No one said boo. It's free speech. The KKK marches, no one says boo, it's free speech. Monsters protest military funerals, Supreme Court says it free speech.

So what the hell is this?

The city of Dearborn's position is that Muslims are so violent and irrational that they won't be able to control themselves if Jones holds a protest? And he has to pay for damages? Why wouldn't the marauding Muslim hordes pay the damages if they are doing the damage? And if they get violent, why aren't they in jail?

The assumption that Muslims will go jihad is…..racist-islamophobic-anti-muslim bigotry, is it not?

The road to slavery ……

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no b.s.
no b.s.
12 years ago

“shariah the only solution”…what he means is “the final solution:
NEVER AGAIN YOU SLIMEBALL BASTARDS. NEVER THE EFF AGAIN!!!!!!
you come try me, you slime. i will give you your final solution.

dee dee
dee dee
12 years ago

http://www.detnews.com/article/20110422/LIFESTYLE04/104220401/Pastor-jailed-for-refusing-$1-‘peace-bond’
and there’s also a report out there of hundreds of muslims holding a peace rally up in Dearborn–sickening

no b.s.
no b.s.
12 years ago

people, you must understand. the unholy koran calls for the murder of infidels, the jews…hates infidels and jews. this is no religion of peace!!!! this is evil masquerading as a religion.

Glenn Campbell
Glenn Campbell
12 years ago

This is how democracy dies. To the chants of Allah Akbar…

Richard says Islam is a fascist totalitarian death cult and mafia crime syndicate
Richard says Islam is a fascist totalitarian death cult and mafia crime syndicate
12 years ago

Well said Pamela. Here’s an interesting 25 minute interview Pastor Jones had with Fox News.
Seems like a civil rights issue and I’m thinking he could use the support of freedom-lovers and anti-Islamists, because like him or not, he has a right to free speech and he’s on our side.
The reason the bureaucrats caved was they felt they were alone in this against the muslim mobs, so it was sheer cowardice on their part. The mayor et al know that once the media spotlight fades, they will have to contend with muslim rage. So like liberals who keep appeasing/caving to Islamic thuggery, these people are doing the same thing.
But if a national spotlight is focused on this, there’s little the muslims can do, unless they want to wake up the broader population and face their anger, should they riot as muslims are apt to do when it large groups. Sunlight is the best disinfectant for vampires and muslims.

Richard says Islam is a fascist totalitarian death cult and mafia crime syndicate
Richard says Islam is a fascist totalitarian death cult and mafia crime syndicate
12 years ago

*in

Mackie
Mackie
12 years ago

I still wonder what the response would be if Pastor Terry Jones suddenly pulled out a bible and burned that instead, what would be the reaction of Muslims?
There must be enlightened people in Dearbornistan that recognize what is occurring in their community as it slowly becomes more sharia compliant and is lead by its dhimmi officials.

Rob
Rob
12 years ago

I am not a big fan of Jones, but he has the right to free speech.
This is one of those times when the enemy of my enemy, is my friend.

MamaGrizzly
MamaGrizzly
12 years ago

No problem though if Moslems burn the flag, the Torah, the Bible . . . no problem at all.

fern
fern
12 years ago

Unbelievable that he has been jailed for refusing to pay $1.
Blows your mind to think he was in court over a damn rally. So much Sharia Kool Aid, is making me feel nauseous.
Did you see the video where the Minister who sympathised with Jones, on coming out of the Court House, was aggressively verbally abused by the pro-islamic supporters? They were like mad animals, whilst the cops didn’t lift a finger to stop it. https://www.facebook.com/#!/theunitedwest

Zulfiqar
Zulfiqar
12 years ago

not just Muslims: http://www.freep.com/article/20110421/NEWS02/110421070/700-surround-Islamic-Center-protest-Terry-Jones-rally-plans
and you can’t tell me they were ALL afraid of Muslims… the police were saving Jones from his own ignorance… I wish he had held his rally, then the captivated audiences of the United States could see him hang himself by his own crazy actions and rhetoric
he admits to his own lack of expertise regarding Islam, and yet it doesn’t stop him from condemning it (I dare say many writing on this blog are in the same boat, including its architect): http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/dpp/news/let_it_rip/controversial-florida-pastor-sits-down-with-dearborn-muslim-cleric
I’m sure Muslims around the world are bending backward to thank Ms. Geller, Mr. Jones, and all you patriotic Americans for making their Shari’a so clear to them… who knew that Shari’a was so evil!! So thank you thank you thank you THANK YOU for enlightening those backward, blinded, barbaric ragheads about their own religion. Maybe they’ll get their heads out of their asses now and listen to Imams Gafney, Boykin, McCarthy, et al for their tireless essentializing and demonizing of Muslim’s own religion. Once Muslims come to their senses and realize that Islam, aka Shari’a, is evil they’ll finally come to the straight path, aka Christianity.

Zulfiqar
Zulfiqar
12 years ago

democracy dies because of ignorant voting masses like yourselves who are looking for a scapegoat. are you telling me that deuteronomy mentions nothing about violence and killing?
don’t be sheep, think for yourselves… though that may be impossible considering that you’re blinded by hate and fear

Kufar Dawg
Kufar Dawg
12 years ago

I have to agree with you. The USA is more like the land of the cowardly and corrupt (WRT politicians, our judiciary and law enforcement) than the land of the free and the brave.

Zulfiqar
Zulfiqar
12 years ago

I had a Christian student who was attending the rally against Terrie Jones along with members of her church including her pastor, who could barely speak through her tears as she considered how she would feel if it were the Bible being burned. These cavalier musings are useless unless you can imagine yourself as a member of the Muslim minority being put on trial.

John Goldberg
John Goldberg
12 years ago

Actually, I’m afraid you’re wrong. Democracy dies with idiotic Americans such as yourself. Remember how about 40 or so years ago Americans were saying the same thing about communists? Before that it was the Germans and now it’s apparently Muslims. People always need to hate something don’t they? It’s sad to see how idiocy has still been around since the beginning of America.

Hahaha
Hahaha
12 years ago

I agree with you… here in Indonesia… we could always see how minorities non muslims living under hidden discrimination in some areas… we could always watch around how minorties non muslims being humiliated for what they believe… especially the christians… I am not a part of Christian or islam religion group so it is all up to the people how to judge BUT… a wrong expression against Islam would create a big big consequences… how could they live in non-muslim country then?? I don’t want to be racist…. but as a minority and I am originally indonesian and not an immigrant…

dee dee
dee dee
12 years ago

One of the screaming female harassers looks like the one in this video who
compares Pastor Jones with something about public education funding.
Dawud Walid of Mich. Cair indicates he doesn’t use the words radical and islam together–
“I don’t use that terminology.” (after rolling his eyes and saying let me backtrack) Then “We
protest any terrorist be they Christian, Muslim, Jew, Hindu, whatever”
Check the one in green kafeyah telling Jones to read about Jesus–yikes!
http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/dpp/news/charlie_langton/let-it-rip-was-free-speech-squashed-question-mark-20110425-wpms

Person of the Book
Person of the Book
12 years ago

I watched about half of the interview, and the thought which came to me, when listening to the “muslim” woman in the back of the crowd continually shouting her objections to Pastor Jones: “Mob rule”.
Certainly this “muslim” woman believes in mob rule. In other words, whoever can shout the loudest should win the discussion. I get the impression from watching her that if her continual shouting and heckling doesn’t stop Pastor Jones from talking, that she might indeed resort to some sort of violent action to try to shut him up.
Savages resort to mob rule. However, civilized people resort to the rule of law, that is, the people, in an orderly way, decide what the laws should be, and then agree to obey those laws.

dee dee
dee dee
12 years ago

I’m referring to the third video in the Fox
Let it Rip series with the Mayor, Dawud Walid,
and others.

no b.s.
no b.s.
12 years ago

you’re the idiot. sheesh.

no b.s.
no b.s.
12 years ago

i thnk for myself. so does glenn. we know what your book says. to hell with you.

Zulfiqar
Zulfiqar
12 years ago

which “time” are you referring to? are you referring to the 8th century when Muslims took over the Iberian peninsula and civilized the warring barbaric tribes and ushered in a new era of intellectual and scientific advancement? or maybe you’re referring to the time when Constantinople fell to the Ottomans whose restorations brought the city not just to its past glory but exceeded it? or maybe you’re referring to the time when Saladin took back Jerusalem from the Crusader crazies who had slaughtered their co-religionists just because they *looked* like infidels? If it weren’t for Islamic civilization of the 9th – 13th centuries, Europe would still be languishing in the Dark Ages… that Muslims have lost touch with their own past glories of early humanism and revived hellenistic philosophy is as much a result of European Imperialism as it is a result of Muslims’ own xenophobia and self-satisfied blindness leading into the modern period.
Don’t, however, speak as though you know what the *heck* you’re talking about… slogans and crazy will only get you so far.. at some point you’re going to have support the crap you spew

no b.s.
no b.s.
12 years ago

remind me again, as a jew, why i shold think that the muslims are a minority who needs help and protection? 1.5 billionof you mofos in the world. you won’t “let” the jews have their own traditional land; you spent the last 1400 yrs killing, oppressing and subjugating peoples all ove the world; and your goal is world sharia domination. WTF is your problem? i’ll tell you: sick arrogance and supremacist ideology. eff off. come by me, i’ll show you what a real minority does. the power of the G-d of israel will whup your pathetic arse. your ‘religion’ is an evil lie. minority THIS, mofo.

no b.s.
no b.s.
12 years ago

and, oh yeah, btw. you can take your taqiya dhimmi status b.s. and SHOVE IT.

no b.s.
no b.s.
12 years ago

your xn student has been brianwashed by your disgusting taqiya. i think you should be very grateful that i don’t know who you are. your islamic arrogance is soooo STUPID> when it comes to real americans and real israelis…you reeeeeally don’t know whom you are messing with. but keep it up…and you’ll find out. you’ll find out.

no b.s.
no b.s.
12 years ago

you are such a freakin’ dolt. the germies and the commies have murdered MILLIONS you dolt.
millions!!!! and the muslims, over the past 1400 years of annihilations, enslavements etc? the armenian genocide? 1.5 million? stalin? 80 million? the nazis? 12 million? you need to ask your nurse to go easy on the meds, man. you are waaaaaay out there.

Saul
Saul
12 years ago

Your sarcasm is lost on the people here who actually do know enough about Islam to recognize it represents organized evil, with Sharia its evil manifesto. Which does not take a rocket scientist to understand – it’s enough to listen to what Muslim do and say world over, or to read any of their “sacred” texts.
That you choose to deny these self-evident truths or obfuscate them with sophistry and taqiyya is your personal moral choice – just don’t expect anyone with a shred of integrity or intelligence to follow your example.

Charles Martel
Charles Martel
12 years ago

Things are soooooo wrong. Didn’t the Supreme Court recently rule that a small bunch of misfits belonging to a Southern Baptist Church have the constitutional right to parade in front of grieving parents during their children’s funerals, showing how pleased they are the soldiers are dead, and hoping some more will die soon?
How does this equate with the Jones situation in Michigan? We are all equal, but some are more equal than others???
Where were we when all this was brewing?

Saul
Saul
12 years ago

Yes, and isn’t it sad and amazing to see that the moment mob rule is used with such impunity to suppress proud American values, the sedate and cowardly leaders and judges fold and offer the mob apologies and jizya to buy a moment of safety – soon to be disrupted by more outrageous demands. I hope to see American pride snap out of its slumber and take a stand some day. Thank God for the few who have done so already.

Zulfiqar
Zulfiqar
12 years ago

Taqiyya, really?! my pen name is Zulfiqar… am I really trying to hide my identity?! Having said that, if there were a time for taqiyya it would be now.. you people have all fallen into the crazy train. If someone protests and heckles and is wearing a head scarf, then oooooohhhhh, her next step MUST be violence… where do you get off being judgemental?! As Muslims in this country these days, you’re damned if you do and you’re damned if you don’t. The only way Muslims will be accepted is if they do do taqiyya so they don’t appear *threatening* So much for religious freedom… sheesh! You people are the plague that’s eating away at the very fabric of this beautiful country. And keep your threats for someone who gives a crap.

Zulfiqar
Zulfiqar
12 years ago

do you just throw around these transliterated words so that people think you know what the eff you’re talking about? it might work on less educated folks, but you’re really scraping the bottom of the pot buddy, tonight you’ve met your match… so am I a dhimmi or am I practicing taqiyya, or both?

Zulfiqar
Zulfiqar
12 years ago

really? you’re gonna go there?
Let’s look at some of the Old Testament commandments by God of who we should kill:
Everyone in every city that has at least one person who believes in the wrong god 13:12-17
Anyone who has religions beliefs that are different than yours 17:2-7
People who won’t listen to a priest or a judge. 17:12-13
All false prophets and false witnesses 18:20-22, 19:18-19
Stubborn and rebellious sons 21:18-21
Rape victims who don’t cry out loud enough 22:23-24
Any Amalekites you happen to run across 25:19
… and it was done.
Have enough honor to at least use the same standards when judging your own religion.

Zulfiqar
Zulfiqar
12 years ago

yes, and the Bible speaks of the subservience of women and the beating of women and slavery, etc. so what? The only difference is that there is a longer Talmudic history that has reinterpreted and in many cases put certain rules on hold that don’t jive with present human rights standards…

wb
wb
12 years ago

It is no wonder that this Michigan town is now being referred to in some circles as “Dearbornistan.”

Zulfiqar
Zulfiqar
12 years ago

oooohhhh you’re so brilliant Saul… you found me out. You’re such a scholar for recognizing that Zulfiqar is Arabic, I was trying sooo hard to hide my true identity, but your insights and brilliance found me out. PLEASE stop with your arrogance already.. throwing around these words like jihad, shari’a, taqiyya, and so on as though you KNOW what they mean
and don’t accuse me of obfuscation, when your simple-minded single-mindedness has obfuscated any opportunity for understanding the complexities of Islam by reducing it to a political radical movement that the United States and Israel are as much to blame as the corrupt Arab leadership. It takes two to tango man… and you’re dancing.

Zulfiqar
Zulfiqar
12 years ago

man, you guys are really feeding at the same trough… Foxland

whatdemocracy
whatdemocracy
12 years ago

shame! america, shame! shame! shame! where are the proud and brave amricans standing beside terry jones? are there no true americans with balls anymore? where are the cops to take control of the true rabble? your problem is not islam… you problem is the americans in high places who ENABLE islam…

wri7913
wri7913
12 years ago

Speaking out against the Quran doesn’t require scholarly knowledge of its meaning or intentions. We can simply flip on the tv or read the news to hear the latest violence by Muslims around the world. It certainly helps if you can rattle off the Quranic passages by numbers and know the exact quotes, but no it is NOT required to speak out against it.

wri7913
wri7913
12 years ago

You are bringing up the deuteronomy drivel again? Show me examples where someone is actually following the words in OT today. With the exception of the mentally ill guy who murdered a gay man who hit on him, there is no one following deuteronomy in today’s world.
Democracy dies because people like you don’t have a clue. You can sit by and allow Pastor Terry Jones rights to be violated and not care because you simply don’t agree with his point. How convienent for you!

wri7913
wri7913
12 years ago

LOL, you like showing that stuff don’t ya. The problem for you with all the Old Testament stuff is that it is about
Specific Places
Specific Times
Specific People
All the commands in the Quran are open ended about Kuffars and Idolators, which pretty much applies even today to people like …….US! Yep, its open ended and for all time. The Old Testament is not.
You Lose!

wri7913
wri7913
12 years ago

Of course the Christian student would also be horrified how Christians are being treated in Muslim lands like Egypt, Pakistan, Indonesia and many other places.
Christians in those places were burned alive and had their daughters kidnapped and raped by Muslim Thugs for the crime of being Christian. Where is her outrage. Where is YOUR outrage.
Oh that’s right, you have none.
See two can play that game.

wri7913
wri7913
12 years ago

Dhimmi

wri7913
wri7913
12 years ago

Many of the Muslim advancements were due to conquests in non-muslim areas. Many of the advancements attributed to Muslims are actually non-muslim inventions so there really isn’t much that Islam created.
Why is it that there are only two nobel peace prizes by Muslims today, while Israel has over 150+? It’s because Islam isn’t about art, literature, mathematics, etc. Its simply about conquest and advancing Islam… that’s all. I think its pretty crappy when a religion that boasts 1.4 billion people are getting their butts kicked by a religion that contains maybe 16 million people (jews). But having read the Quran, I don’t really find it all that surprising.

Gerald
Gerald
12 years ago

One reader at JW said the violence in the Bible is descriptive whereas the violence in the Quaran is prescriptive for all times.

Gerald
Gerald
12 years ago

What next? Will the Americans be forbidden to burn the Saudi flag on the anniversary of 9/11(the day of infamy where Muslims shouting Allahu Akhbar murdered close to 3,000 Americans) because it contains some pagan words to their moon-god(Allah) and their murdering paedophile prophet.

Telly
Telly
12 years ago

Why do I strongly suspect “Zulfigar” is NOT an Arab?

Telly
Telly
12 years ago

Ok. From that comment it is obvious that you are a white liberal fool.

Zulfiqar
Zulfiqar
12 years ago

“seek knowledge, even it be in China.” For those who have eyes to see, they will witness the signs of God’s creation. Those who have wisdom seek knowledge and truth, both attributes of God. These are only a drop in the ocean of the number of times Muslims are exhorted to seek knowledge and in this way will come closer to God. Name me a culture that has not borrowed from and built on a previous one? Why is everyone on this blog intent on demonizing Islam and Muslims? There is ZERO introspection and humility! So we’ve been wounded as a society since 9/11, does that mean that we should go on a witch hunt? This “us” and “them” mentality is a plague! According to your formula of nobel peace prizes, it is not just Muslims that are behind, but Buddhists and Hindus as well, so maybe they’re terrorists too? You jews – if anyone should know about the dangers of demonizing and essentializing it should be YOU!

j3
j3
12 years ago

the religion of perverts, rapists, murderers and pedophiles was founded by a demon possessed madman who told the subhuman savages that their desires to rape children, rape female prisoners, murder Jews and Christians and sodomize young boys were all given the OK by their demonic moon-god, allah. Moohammud, may piss be upon him, is burning like a coal in the fires of Hell, and unless they repent, his demon children of today will join him there for eternity.
No other group of people in these times, commits such outrages and atrocities, crimes against nature, murdering their own children or wives, publicly stoning and murdering homosexuals and dismembering human bodies for the camera; no other group in the world murders unarmed families in their sleep, fires rockets ( incompetently, of course ) into crowded cities and then hides their military behind groups of children and women. The civilization which they currently exhibit is that of mentally ill, dull witted men who wipe their asses with their fingers, live in hell holes, wear stinking clothes and beat their cattle-like women under their sweat stinking burkas… and they think that this is normal.
The only god that the muzzies truly worship is the male penis and whatever degenerate ways it may by satisfied.

Zulfiqar
Zulfiqar
12 years ago

say something new, don’t just regurgitate previous arguments… yes, we’ve established that those who claim to be Muslim engage in terrorism and abuse human rights in any number of ways
all of you who rattle off this Jones’ rhetoric, to you I would say that you should read the scholarly interpretations of the Qur’an by Fazlur Rahman, Amina Wadud and several other modernist scholars, except that you would immediately accuse them of practicing taqiyya… well, if you characterize every Muslim as dishonest, then you’ve effectively cut off any room for a civilized discourse, which of course is at the heart of any functioning democracy. Maybe the next *logical* step for you people is expulsion and genocide?

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