Pamela Geller, American Thinker: Exclusive Interview: Infidel Victim of Pennsylvania Sharia Judge Reveals Inside Details of Case

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Exclusive Interview: Infidel Victim of Pennsylvania Sharia Judge Reveals Inside Details of Case Pamela Geller

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This is why anti-sharia legislation is so essential.  What happened to equal protection under the law?

Back in October, I reported on Ernest Perce, a parade-goer wearing a "Zombie Muhammad" costume while marching in a local Pennsylvania Halloween parade.  He was viciously attacked and choked by Talaag Elbayomy, a Muslim (who was enforcing the sharia — he assumed that it was illegal in this country to insult Muhammad).  "He grabbed me, choked me from the back, and spun me around to try to get my sign off that was wrapped around my neck," reported Perce.

Last week, an American judge in Pennsylvania, Judge Mark Martin, ruled on the case and sided with the Muslim, and said that the victim would have been put to death in Muslim societies for his "crime."

Martin told Perce: "Having had the benefit of having spent over two and a half years in predominantly Muslim countries I think I know a little bit about the faith of Islam. … In many Arabic-speaking countries something like this is definitely against the law there. In their society in fact it can be punishable by death and it frequently is in their society."

So what?  This is America, where we don't have to obey the Islamic blasphemy laws — at least not yet.  But Martin went on to reveal why he was ruling against the victim: "Then what you have done is you have completely trashed their essence, their being. They find it very very very offensive. I'm a Muslim, I find it offensive."  He now denies that he is a Muslim, but that's what he said.

Ultimately, it is irrelevant if the judge is or isn't a Muslim.  What is germane is his sharia ruling, which is worse if he's not a Muslim.  In Islam, sharia supersedes all man-made laws.  It is the law of Allah, so one might understand (though not condone) a Muslim judge defaulting to sharia.  But an American judge admonishing an infidel victim while holding up the Koran is shocking.  You hear the Koran slam down in the audio of the court proceeding.  Martin also told Perce: "You're way outside your boundaries or First Amendment rights."

Perce had video of the attack, but Judge Martin refused to allow the video into evidence. The judge refused even to look at the video, saying that he had heard enough and that there were two conflicting stories. In sharia, in any conflict between a Muslim and a non-Muslim, the Muslim is always right.  Martin ruled for Elbayomy.

It gets worse.  Since his ordeal began, the infidel victim, Ernest Perce, has received 471 verifiable threats.  Perce never released any personal information on Judge Martin or Elbayomy, but they released his, and now he has gotten threats at his home.  He may also soon be spending time in jail because he released audio of the court proceeding.  Martin is threatening to hold Perce in contempt of court for releasing the audio, even though Perce says he was given permission to release it.

Perce released the video because he believes that he was treated unfairly — that Martin showed Elbayomy preferential treatment.  He wrote to Bonnie Snyder, administrative secretary of the Cumberland County District Court: "I was in a recent proceeding and Judge Martin gave both parties the right/permission to record the proceeding on our cellular devices. I would like to know if it is allowed to put the recording online for listening purposes. If the answer is no, I'd like to know the case law which is being cited and the punishment for violating the case law."

Snyder responded: "Judge Martin only gave permission for the attorney or officer to record the proceedings.  He did not give anyone else permission to record anything in the courtroom at the hearing held on December 6, 2011 at 2:45 pm."

Perce then asked her: "Are you instructing me via Judge Martin to destroy or delete and not use my audio recording?"

Answered Snyder: "Yes, since you were not authorized to make any recordings."

Are we living in a sharia state?  Aren't court cases open to the public?

Recently I interviewed Ernest Perce and asked him why Judge Martin did not allow the video of the attack to be shown.

Perce: Judge would be offended!  Yet they used comments made on the video at YouTube two months later to establish that I had a biased view toward Talaag Elbayomy.  If the judge were honest, he would have said, "Attorney, the video is not entered as evidence, and therefore I cannot use the comment from two months after the supposed attack." 

I called demanding to speak to the judge.  He was always in a training session or in court.  Finally, on February 16, I talked with the judge at 3:42PM, and he said, "I will hold you in contempt of court under section 42 of the Judicial System" if I didn't take down the audio.  He also threatened to hold me in violation of 112 of the Rules of Court Section D.

He also said that I would be held in contempt of court.  He denies this now, but this is what he told me.  He was furious.

PG: Why did you decide to dress as Zombie Muhammad for Halloween in the first place?

Perce: Mainly to stand for the freedom of speech, and to show my disdain for such a hateful religion and culture.  I have always made fun of Muhammad.

PG: When did you start receiving threats?

Perce: I started receiving death threats immediately after putting the video online of the parade.  People have said that they would kill me, rip my eyes out, run me over, shoot me and laugh at me, since I have blasphemed Muhammad.  They say I will be found out and [hanged] in front of my family.

PG: Did you report these threats?  If so, what response did you receive?

Perce: I have reported several of the threats. 

PG: What is your reaction to the judge's telling you that what you did was offensive to Muslims? 

Perce: When I first heard Attorney Thomas, the defendant's attorney, telling me to read the Koran and the judge stayed silent, I was stunned.  Then when the judge said, " I have a Koran; I challenge you to show me where it says Mohammed [rose] from the dead," I was stunned.  I remember thinking "In America, what does it matter what interpretation a person has about a ruthless book?"  I thought, "I'm not going to challenge you to a debate, and who in the hell are you to require me to read a Koran?"

This is America!  Freedom of speech is our birthright.  This judge trampled on the Constitution.  At that point I forgot I was recording.  Do you think he thinks that being offended justifies harassment?  There is no doubt that he believes that offensive speech warrants harassment.

PG: What do you think of Judge Martin's office denying that he is a Muslim?

Perce: Remember, a Muslim can lie to a nonbeliever, a kaffir.  He spoke Arabic to the defendant and his friend.  They answered back.  If he claims he isn't a Muslim, then why does he have a Koran?  Why did he challenge me to a debate on the interpretation of the Koran?  Why get mad at me and insult me?  Why then go on a six-minute rant against me?  Why value Islam above Christianity?  He said, "They pray five times a day, towards Mecca.  To be a good Muslim before you die, you have to make a pilgrimage to Mecca."  Christians pray all the time, Jews pray all the time, Buddhists follow the basics of karma.  Humanists will do no harm to anyone.

Read the rest of the interview here.

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Annie

12 years ago

since this is on the sharia topic, does anyone know if BNI was taken down? Seems there’s a problem for 3 days now.

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Dan

12 years ago

So, does Perce have any civil-law recourse (e.g. sue the pants off Elbayomy)?

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joy52

12 years ago

He should appeal, it it can be done at that level. He should file a civil suit agaist the man who choked him. A bunch of supporters should march wearing the exact same thing. After that, twice as many should march wearing the exact thing. He needs a Legal Fund.

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Eagle in NYC

12 years ago

The attack on Mr. Perce was a hate crime. Ostensibly, this is why the laws were written, to protect people from bias-related crimes. Therefore, not being a lawyer, I would press for federal prosecution of Elbayomy under the aegis of federal hate crime legislation. This is NOT double jeopardy and is done all the time, especially when the victim believes he was not given justice in the original trial.
However, if the Obama administration refuses to prosecute under federal legislation, then make that the central issue in your swing state of Pennsylvania for the presidential election this year. Get the attention of the Republican nominee, the Republican state party, the local media, as well as the media in Philadelphia and Pittsburgh, to highlight the fact that this administration refuses to protect the Constitutional rights of its citizens and, by extension, is more interested in protecting the perpetrator of a religious hate crime, than the victim of the hate crime.
But the citizens also need to impeach Judge Martin. This cannot stand.

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KKKK

12 years ago

“this is why anti_sharia laws are so essential.” more then essential; they are a very life blood.

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matt

12 years ago

how can you “blaspheme” Muhammad? Is he considered a god?

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Angel

12 years ago

A judge is supposed to preside over a case without bias and follow American laws.
What do you think this judge would have done had the victim been Muslim? Do you think the case would have been dismissed? I don’t think so. And had the victim been Muslim CAIR would have been all over this, probably threatening to sue the attacker.
What occurred here was a travesty of justice. I hope Perce sues.

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Brandy

12 years ago

I’m happy to read that concerned citizens and Atlas readers have called, written and faxed the proper authority regarding this case. This octopus does have legs!
What a great group of people here at Atlas. Someone asked earlier what we should do and I think we’re doing it!
Pamela, I’m so glad you were able to ask Perce some question. I hope he stays safe also. We’re with you Perce. Keep on!

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Paula

12 years ago

@Annie: BNI has a Twitter account. There she states that the problem is with the server, and she expects to be back up, but doesn’t know when.

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Tom Billesley

12 years ago

Mark Zuckerberg had better stay out of Pennsylvania. Zuckerberg is wanted for blasphemy in Pakistan – because he allowed caricatures of Mohammed to appear on Facebook. If Obama receives a foreign extradition request would he have any compunction in getting the US Attorney to issue a warrant and haul Zuckerberg in front of the Sharia go-to guy, Qadi Mark Martin.

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Howard

12 years ago

Martin’s denial that he’s a Muslim is likely due to being an Army Reservist with a security clearance. He likely has never informed the security service that he is a Muslim. As of 2009 he was in charge of the 424th Military Police Detachment out of Ashley, Luzerne County as a LTC. Email to the army SSO with a link to the audio of “I’m a Muslim” should help them get this straight.

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Jere

12 years ago

I’m a firm believer in the power of eponyms.
It kind of gives new meaning to the term “martinized.” Generally speaking, being “martinized” now could be said to mean suffering a legal detriment as a consequence of discrimination by a government official or employee, especially (but not excluxively) in court, as a consequence of not kowtowing to Islam.
In addition, I think widespread use of the term will get him off the bench quicker than the usual methods.

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