VIDEO: Pamela Geller on the Michael Coren Show, SUN TV

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SUN TV: Michael Coren with Pamela Geller: Afghan rape victim

Much thanks to for ripping the clip of my appearance on the The Arena with Michael Coren, which airs on Sun News TV every week night at 7pm ET.

Michael Coren and I discuss Islamic Law: Afghan woman forced to choose between marrying her rapist, or 12 years in jail for adultery. Under Islamic law, the emphasis is not so much on the crime of rape but on the shame that the woman has brought upon her family by her sexual immorality, even if it was forced. So that shame can be washed away by her marrying the rapist.

Islam's emphasis is wholly and completely upon women as having the responsibility not to tempt men. If they do, and the man rapes, it's the woman's fault. So this ruling is of a piece with the wearing of hijabs, burqas, etc.

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Islam teaches that women are the possessions of men and places a high premium on virginity. This woman after the rape would be considered damaged goods. If the rapist had declined to marry her, her life would have been completely ruined, as no one else would marry her and she would be stigmatized.

Sisters In Islam, a Muslim reform group in Malaysia, has surveyed the plight of women in the Islamic world and estimates that as many as 75% of women in Pakistan who are in prison are there because they were raped. Islamic law requires 4 witnesses (male Muslim witnesses) who saw the act to establish it, so a woman's accusation can be self-incriminating if she doesn't have those witnesses.

The 4 witnesses rule comes from the Qur'an (24:4 and 24:13). It is based on an incident in which Muhammad's favorite wife, the child bride Aisha, was accused of adultery. Rather than see her stoned to death, Muhammad got a revelation that four witnesses were required (the accusers didn't have them). This exonerated Aisha, but Muslim women have suffered as a result of this law to this day.

The plight of the woman in this report, Gulnaz, first came up in this story, in connection with an EU documentary that was at the time deemed too dangerous to the women featured in it (or perhaps too politically damaging) to be shown. That story also revealed the fact that half of the women in Afghan jails are there for "moral crimes."

Gulnaz herself is a victim of Sharia, and particularly of the demand for four witnesses to support the allegation of a sexual crime, as stipulated in Qur'an 24:13. A woman alleging rape must produce four witnesses, or invite charges of adultery.

Sharia is enshrined in the Afghan constitution as the highest law of the land, thereby hard-wiring the entire society against reform: any proposed legal reforms will go against Sharia as it has been practiced for centuries. And so, here we are. And there is Gulnaz.

"Afghan woman's choice: 12 years in jail or marry her rapist and risk death," by Nick Paton Walsh and Masoud Popalza for CNN, November 22:

Kabul (CNN) — The ordeal of Gulnaz did not simply begin and end with the physical attack of her rape. The rape began a years-long nightmare of further pain, culminating in an awful choice she must now make.

Even two years later, Gulnaz remembers the smell and state of her rapist's clothes when he came into the house when her mother left for a brief visit to the hospital.

"He had filthy clothes on as he does metal and construction work. When my mother went out, he came into my house and he closed doors and windows. I started screaming, but he shut me up by putting his hands on my mouth," she said.

The rapist was her cousin's husband.

After the attack, she hid what happened as long as she could. But soon she began vomiting in the mornings and showing signs of pregnancy. It was her attacker's child.

In Afghanistan, this brought her not sympathy, but prosecution. Aged just 19, she was found guilty by the courts of sex outside of marriage — adultery — and sentenced to twelve years in jail.

Now inside Kabul's Badam Bagh jail, she and her child are serving her sentence together.

Sitting with the baby in her lap, her face carefully covered, she explains the only choice she has that would end her incarceration.

The only way around the dishonor of rape, or adultery in the eyes of Afghans, is to marry her attacker. This will, in the eyes of some, give her child a family and restore her honor.

Incredibly, this is something that Gulnaz is willing to do.

"I was asked if I wanted to start a new life by getting released, by marrying this man", she told CNN in an exclusive interview. "My answer was that one man dishonored me, and I want to stay with that man."

Tending to her daughter in the jail's cold, she added: "My daughter is a little innocent child. Who knew I would have a child in this way. A lot of people told me that after your daughter's born give it to someone else, but my aunt told me to keep her as proof of my innocence."

Gulnaz's choice is stark. Women in her situation are often killed for the shame their ordeal has brought the community. She is at risk, some say, from her attacker's family.

We found Gulnaz's convicted rapist in a jail across town. While he denied raping her, he agreed that she would likely be killed if she gets out of jail. But he insists that it will be her family, not his, that will kill her, "out of shame."

Whether threatened by his family or hers, for now, jail may be the safest place for her.

Shockingly, Gulnaz's case is common in Afghanistan.

CNN asked a spokesman for the prosecutor to comment on the case. The reply was that there were hundreds such cases and the office would need time to look into it.

But Gulnaz's plight has found international attention because of a dispute between the European Union and a team of documentary makers hired to report on women's rights in Afghanistan.

The documentary makers filmed a lengthy report on Gulnaz and other women, showing her talking openly about her fate. They showed the film to the EU, who were paying for it as part of a project on female rights here. After viewing it, the EU decided to spike the project.

The EU said it was concerned about the safety of the women in the film: they could be identified and might face reprisals. The filmmakers however suspect — citing an email leaked from the EU delegation — that the EU might also be motivated by its sensitive relationship with Afghan justice institutions, since he film shows the Afghan justice system in a very unflattering light.

The leaked email says: "The delegation also has to consider its relations with [Afghan] Justice institutions in connection with the other work that it is doing in the sector."…

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Saul
Saul
12 years ago

Thank allah we’re spending our treasure and lives there to prop up islam for the oil companies!

Jamadagni
Jamadagni
12 years ago

It’s a no win situation for Western feminists who are generally Caucasians to speak out about these atrocities; what has happened in the past is that they are condemned for being imperialists imposing “Western values” on non-Western cultures, attacked for not understanding the particular issues of women of color. That’s why you don’t hear from feminists. You could say they are cowards but isn’t it actually up to Muslims, both men and women to denounce this treatment of women? They won’t even acknowledge it let alone denounce it. They refuse to admit it has something to do with Islam and sharia.
Same thing with FGM — see: “Yes to female circumcision?” http://www.antropologi.info/blog/anthropology/2010/female-circumcision Unbelievable, right?

Bob Almighty
Bob Almighty
12 years ago

Luckily the Western Feminists will ride to the rescue of their suffering sistets in the Middle East.

Bob Almighty
Bob Almighty
12 years ago

The reason you don’t hear from feminists is that feminism is just a front for Marxism and White Hate, and there aren’t any white Christian men to roast in the ME.

Clit Beastwood
Clit Beastwood
12 years ago

Pam, thanks for coming up to Canada and taking the time to speak on the Sun News Network.
Canada has a huge problem with the political left having far too much influence even though we have what passes here for a Conservative Federal government. The Liberals in this country, starting with Pierre Trudeau, have been attempting to force that farce or perhaps even more accurately folly, multiculturalism, down our throats for far too long. For quire some time our governments has been giving away the rights of it’s born and bred citizens in the name of political correctness or accommodation of immigrants rights, beliefs etc and it has to stop!
Much like in the US, radical Islamists have been infiltrating our country’s institutions under the guise of peaceful immigrants and our government has not yet recognized this threat or acted upon it even though our Prime Minister stated openly that Islamicism is the largest threat to our country.
My God, we have Muslims here turning school cafeterias into Mosques and the only major opposition to this , other than those of us who are true Conservatives, was a Canadian Hindu group.
We all have to stand together to stop the Islamization of North america and it is going to be a tough battle given how government, the media, Justice Departments, School Boards etc have been infiltrated by Muslims and Muslim sympathizing Liberals.
Again, thank you for taking the time to visit Canada and appear on Sun News. If we only had a few like you and Mark Steyn here in Canada we would be a lot farther ahead in the fight against Islam.

Stephanie
Stephanie
12 years ago

Word of the coward, lunatic sadist & misogynist Allah:
5:38 “(thiefs) cut off hands”
24:2, 4 “(adulterers) flog with 100, 80 stripes (for not showing four witnesses for her rape)”
24:13 “…four (male) witnesses to prove it?”

Stephanie
Stephanie
12 years ago
Walte Sieruk
Walte Sieruk
12 years ago

Sometimes this outrage goes even further then this. Sometimes the victim of rape is even put to death for the “crime” of being raped. This absured and warped way of thinking is the result the misogyny that in the religion of Islam. Furthermore, in the book by a former Muslim and jihadist but now a Christian,Walid Shoebat, FOR GOD OR FOR TYANNY he wrote on pare 270 “The hatred of women in an Islamic society is so immense that even if a woman is raped, she is stoned to death.” Moreover, such cruel injustice is condemned in the Bible. Which reads “Acquitting the guilty and condemming the innocent – the Lord detests them both.” Proverbs 17:15. [NIV]
Dr. Shoebat has his own internet stie. Which is http://www.shoebat.com

where in the world is...j-nap?
where in the world is...j-nap?
12 years ago

The rapist was her cousin’s husband……..
What? NNNOOOOOOOOo aw hell, might as well keep it all in the family… it’s not like they can blame it on a COMPLETELY BLOOD-FREE coffee table or sumpin..
heyyy, someone ought to tell them sumpin important like –
if you see sumpin, say sumpin

bubbles
bubbles
12 years ago

And the horror continues with the children born of rape.Many women hide the rape and pregnancy out of fear.The newborns are thrown in garbage dumps or left at Christian churches.In 2009 over 2,000 of their bodies were recovered.
Even if this woman was set free she would be shunned.How would she support the child?
Islam is dominated by men.Burkas and other religious garb is promoted as modest but it is a form of control,legalization and justification for rape.

square and balanced
square and balanced
12 years ago

prop up islam for the oil companies
yeah, thank allahoooobarackbar that the feds can confiscate three times as much money in taxes than the dirty rotten oil companies can make in profits….and then the dhimmicraps piss it away buying more votes from a whole nation of dhimmicraps living or dead…

Wana
Wana
12 years ago

Thank you Pamela…you put those pathetic feminists to shame. Hit the name on the head: where’s the push back when we are funding their “nation building”?

Richard
Richard
12 years ago

For a very interesting perspective on how women are treated in Islam, I suggest watching the movie “The Stoning of Soroya M”. It’s available streaming on NetFlix.
Does the title of the movie give away the ending? I won’t say. The movie does show how one man takes advantage of the sharia regarding the sexual code to simply dispose of a woman who he’s grown tired of. This is what happens to a first wife when the man isn’t wealthy enough to afford multiple wives.

So Cal Jim
So Cal Jim
12 years ago

Western leaders lost their cultural will to survive when multiculturalism and political correctness replaced their Judeo-Christian morality. Multiculturalists are so confused and awash in a mishmash of contradictory and impossible notions that they cease believing in anything called “truth.” That’s why our political and cultural leaders don’t condemn Islam’s barbaric treatment of women. They don’t believe anything is moral or immoral. Especially if it only affects someone else.
What multiculturalists don’t realize is that Jews and Christians (who know what they believe and don’t apologize for it) are the only people standing between them and the darkness of Islamic culture.

Kufar Dawg
Kufar Dawg
12 years ago

@Richard
I’ve met the director of The Stoning of Soroya M. He’s very much an islamofascist apologist. He maintains that Pisslam has nothing to do w/the stoning to death of women, that it’s a cultural thing.

blinker
blinker
12 years ago

Can someone please explain to me why the U.S. armed forces are being loaned out to fight in the service of the Afghan government?

Kufar Dawg
Kufar Dawg
12 years ago

I can hardly believe a television station would broadcast a frank interview with Ms. Geller about Islam without resorting to pre-hashed softball questions.

Amanda Jane
Amanda Jane
12 years ago

Do you even know what Islam is about? Have you studied the religion? Its not to degrade women or enslave them. Its to preserve purity in them. If we adopted some of these traditions in the west we wouldn’t have an epidemic of teenage mothers and wide spread STDs. I was a teenage mother, and I found Islam when I was 20. In Islam women are home makers as it should be. Women ARE allowed to work if the husband and wife agree upon it, whatever a woman makes is soley hers unless she chooses to share it with her husband while the mans earnings are for the family. Also, Islamic marriges come with a sort of pre-nup. The wife can specify before marrige that she will not agree to multiple wives. And if that is a condition she demands the man must follow it or choose to not marry her. There is so much that people dont know and just assume becasue women are covered. You have power when you are covered and you dont have nasty men sexing you with their eyes. Research before you critize. Please. And not from the internet. Go to a mosque, learn from a Muslim what Islam is really about.

Kufar Dawg
Kufar Dawg
12 years ago

@”Amanda Jane”
Then move your worthless, whinging muslime ass to the nearest islamofascist state sweetheart!
I don’t think your primitive form of Al Taqiyya will be working here. Because the various atrocities being committed against women in the name of your death-g0d are well known here.

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