Pamela Geller, The Guardian: The Lesson of Ghailani’s Trial Fiasco

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The Guardian asked me for my take on a Kenneth Roth column, an illogical and nonsensical leftwing piece on Obama’s perverse miscarriage of justice — the civilian trials of war criminals. The notorious Roth, executive director of Human Rights Watch since 1993, “has led the politicization and erosion of universal human rights as a moral force.”

I responded with a rebuttal to Roth an hour or so before the Obama verdict came in, and in the words of one editor, “well, your opening paragraphs prove prophetic — would you like to update?”

And update I did ……… and to The Guardian’s credit, few tweaks were made (eg, substituting ‘al-Qaida terrorist’ for ‘Muslim terrorist’) and they ran the whole thing:

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The lesson of Ghailani’s trial fiasco Pamela Geller, The Guardian

Al-Qaida declared war on the US in 1998, so let’s not be moral idiots: try their combatants in Guantánamo, not civilian courts

Rubble of US embassy in Nairobi after 1998 bombing A woman is carried from the rubble of the US embassy in Nairobi in August 1998 after it was bombed by al-Qaida. At his trial in New York, 17 November 2010, Ahmed Khalfan Ghailani was found guilty on a single charge of conspiracy for his role in the attack. Photograph: Khalil Senosi/AP

On Wednesday, Ahmed Khalfan Ghailani, the first Guantánamo detainee to be tried in civilian court in New York, was acquitted of all but one charge, that of conspiracy for his role in jihadist terror bombings in Nairobi and Dar-es-Salaam, which killed 224 people. His acquittal is the first poisonous fruit of Obama’s policy of treating acts of war as law enforcement issues. It also shows what is wrong with doing so.

Apparently, the evidence charging him with 224 counts of murder could not be used in court, because “coercive” techniques were used to get information from him. The jury did find him guilty of “conspiracy to destroy government buildings”. So, the al-Qaida terrorist killed 224 people and he’s guilty of… destruction of public property?

This is a serious setback for the US – another breathtaking failure on the part of the Obama administraton, yet again putting Americans and national security at risk.

Yet, former prosecutor and executive director of Human Rights Watch Kenneth Roth has argued that such trials, including the trial of 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, should be in New York, since “the victims’ families have a right to witness these trials.” Yet, on 11 September 2001, all of America was under attack, not just the 9/11 families – it was an act of war against the United States of America.

Roth claims that “by choosing a federal court over the discredited military commissions, the US would show that it values the rule of law, trying even those accused of the worst crimes in a system that is broadly recognised as fair.” In reality, by choosing a federal court, we are once again refusing to address the root cause. By pretending that these attacks were not intended to take down America, and work toward overthrowing the government and installing a Sharia-based Islamic government, we yet again surrender to Islamic supremacism and imperialism.

There have been close to 20,000 documented Islamist-inspired attacks worldwide since 9/11; all were inspired by the same Islamic jihadi ideology and given the imprimatur of a Muslim cleric. This is war. It takes incomprehensible delusion and a denial of objective reality to think that combatants in that war are comparable to civilian criminals and should be tried in the same way.

Yet, Roth contends that civilian trials are necessary because “any verdict by the military commissions will inevitably be tainted by the stigma of Guantánamo, where they are held.” Barack Obama also claimed, in May 2009, that there was “no question that Guantánamo set back the moral authority that is America’s strongest currency in the world.”

I disagree. If America prosecutes those who kept this country safe from people like Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, as Obama seems prepared to do, that would set back our moral authority. If America turns her back on the jihad against women, Christians, Jews and non-believers, that would set back America’s moral authority.

What’s wrong with Guantánamo? Allegations of torture there have been politically motivated, spurious, and pale in comparison to Saddam Hussein at his most lenient. The idea that it is a bad thing that Gitmo is holding jihadists who would slaughter thousands if given the opportunity is evidence of dhimmitude and surrender to the enemy narrative, and to the disinformation that the enemy has been producing.

Moreover, detaining enemy combatants without trial is entirely consistent with the “rule of law” that applies in wartime. Indeed, the Obama Justice Department has found itself making just this argument, albeit without fanfare. In short, indefinite detention at Gitmo “destroyed our credibility” only with Bush-deranged leftists – isn’t it amazing how uninterested in our credibility they’ve suddenly become now that their guy is accountable?

Some of Roth’s attempts to justify New York civilian trials for jihadis are bizarre; others simply wrong. “Some opponents of holding the trials in New York,” says Roth, “cite purported security concerns, but these fears are overblown.” Really? Only if you consider human life worthless, as our enemy does. Roth also says that “the war framework is wrong for such awful crimes since it allows the suspects to glorify themselves as combatants.”

Actually, a civilian trial is much more likely than a military tribunal to turn into a dog-and-pony show. In a civilian court in New York, the mass-murdering jihadis would not be on trial; Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and the military would be the real defendants. Such trials will become veritable jihadi circuses, in which jihadists can propagandise to the whole world in courtrooms choked with reporters.

It would also be much easier for them to game the system. Andrew McCarthy, who prosecuted the jihadists who bombed the World Trade Centre in 1993, recalled that one of them told another: “Tell them, ‘I don’t know. I’m not talking to you. Bring my lawyer.’ Never talk to them. Not a word. ‘My lawyer’ – that’s it! That’s what’s so beautiful about America.

Read the rest — all of it here.

UPDATE: Age Of Terror:1998 U.S. Embassy bombings

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Telly
Telly
13 years ago

Why didn’t Roth want the Ghailani trial to be moved to Africa. 212 of the 224 were African’s, so by the same logic, their family’s deserve to see his trial.

Telly
Telly
13 years ago

Moral authority=American exceptionalism.
How else could Obama say “moral authority”… “is America’s strongest currency in the world.”?
Now, the Africans expected so much more from the US. What they got was a politisized farce as a response to their fellow African’s murder.
What they expected was “America’s strongest currency in the world”.
American Exceptionalism is about our commitment to the world. That’s where Obama got lost.

Telly
Telly
13 years ago

And one more thing. Sorry, Pam.
When did Human Rights Watch become a victim advocate org?

Roc Olson
Roc Olson
13 years ago

Touche’ Pam, and with the Guardian, no less, asking for your erudition! Atlastians cheer how you’ve crossed the pond with such direct and lofty prose, we’re all very proud. We’re proud of you and proud for you as our ‘leadress extraordinaire’. Roc

Brian of London
Brian of London
13 years ago

Thank you for proving that Global Warming is really over: hell has completely frozen over when the Guardian Comment is Free is running articles by Pam 🙂 Fantastic!

ConMan
ConMan
13 years ago

Congratulations Pam! As the real buffoons in the liberal media tries to smear you, they help you to get the word out on what is really going. I think it is important to remember that there are many of the liberal persuasion and a few even of the liberal elite that are really concerned with the rise of Islamism.

mike
mike
13 years ago

THIS IS WHAT EVERYONE NEEDS TO REMEMBER AND BURN INTO YOUR MINDS ,TODAY IN THE HEAR AND NOWWWW..!!!!!!
http://www.google.com/images?q=picture+of+marching+revolutionary+war+colonial+army&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=f3j&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&prmd=iv&source=lnms&tbs=isch:1&ei=WyHlTMHdGcG78gbax8HtDA&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&ved=0CA8Q_AU&biw=1024&bih=580
OH but thats right it’s not politically correct to many “white guys” making a NATION AND history.OH well YOU DON’T HAVE RESPECT FOR OUR HISTORY OR COUNTRY GET OUT!!!!
THIS IS WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN ONCE AGAIN!.THESE people had balls.IF this country was full of theses liberal candy ass losers we have now there WOULD BE NO COUNTRY FOR EVERYONE TO WANT TO COME TO TO PISS ALL OVER!!remember THE FEAR THEY MUST HAVE felt FIGHTING AGAINST THE MOST POWERFUL ARMIES AND COUNTRIES THEN.Well we have to do this once again.
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. Thomas Jefferson
GET THIS THRU YOUR THICK SKULLS AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!

miscwords
miscwords
13 years ago

Does Geller ever sleep? I just wonder because of the amount of news she displays and writes. Any, as I’ve stated before, I see this as a partial attempt by the Obamanitions to show that the military is evil and not worth the time. More to what I really want to say, is that this is a direct outcome of the Not-So-Elite Golfer attempt to, “show,” or, “prove,” or flat out deny that a political group spread across multiple countries has declared war on the US. Oh-Bumbles refuses to see the viper in the grass or idenify and actual enemy. He wants, and is desparately trying to show that these are just your average crazy, criminal. Some thing more along the lines of Timothy McVeigh and not a group actively attemping (and recruiting foot soldiers) to attack and destroy the West. He sees no evil, hears no evil, and can’t bring himself to say what the evil really is. That would require recognitin that it exists after all.

Leigh Patrick Sullivan
Leigh Patrick Sullivan
13 years ago

Just more proof that, while Islam is the greatest threat to the free world, the lefties and the Obamaites are a very, very close second.

just a booger
just a booger
13 years ago

golly, since when can ‘just a blogger’ have any kind of effect, at any time, anywhere by posting well-researched and corroborated, corelating facts? isn’t that what ‘the news’ was supposed to be?
That’s what’s so beautiful about America.
And ATLAS SHRUGS !!

Call me Lennie
Call me Lennie
13 years ago

How leftards “think”!!
The people whose loved ones were killed on 9-11 have a right to “witness” these trials. Where did the right to watch the deranged killers of your loved ones get off on an absurd technicality spring from, anyhow — the 34th Amendment? I never heard an outcry from the victm’s families for such a thing. The only outcry I heard from them was when civilian trials were proposed in the first damn place.
A verdict by a military commission will be tainted by the stigma of Guantanamo? How was this stigma created, anyhow? Wasn’t it by utterly false and tendentious reporting of what transpired there? Well, if you want to remove the stigma of Guantanamo, just admit that it was all a grotesque lie. Problem solved.
And as for our moral authority being eroded by not allowing ourselves toi be led like sheep to our own slaughter — who but our enemies would think in such terms. Moreover, have you leftardish douchebags checked out Europe recently. There seems to be a rethinking of all the deranged premises of multiculturism going on. So, in whose eyes is our moral authority waning … again

Hainer
Hainer
13 years ago

Under this system of justice you can expect that eventually he will walk. This is great for recruiting more like him.

p.s.
p.s.
13 years ago

hey england – can we get OUR bust of Winston Churchill back NOW? AND put it Pamela’s desk?
i’m sure she’d return it to the oval office when we actually get a president that loves this country and its constitution.

miscwords
miscwords
13 years ago

After watching the report, all I can think of is that the West is still tone deaf and the president is blind.

R. Willis
R. Willis
13 years ago

Mr. Roth is blowing smoke. As a former government prosecutor, he knows, as anyone who has ever worked in a law office knows, that if KSM is brought to trial in civilian court in NYC, his lawyers will request a change of venue. KSM and his Al Queda buddies are war criminals and should be prosecuted by a military court, at GITMO.

I_Slam_Islam
I_Slam_Islam
13 years ago

Was anyone seriously expecting any different verdict from a muslim President? I’m surprised they didn’t give the son of a bitch a medal and a ticker tape parade.

WAKE UP
WAKE UP
13 years ago

Good on you p.ss, I agree. Bring Churchill back.
(And I’ll bet Obama 86’d it because of what Churchill said about Islam over a century ago!)

WAKE UP
WAKE UP
13 years ago

The President is WILFULLY blind, which is a different thing to simply not knowing.

WAKE UP
WAKE UP
13 years ago

One day Holder and Obama will be the ones in the dock.

Zaza
Zaza
13 years ago

A friend of my wife died in that bomb attack
Its a shame, really.

Richard 2
Richard 2
13 years ago

Bring it back and put it back in the White House when Obummer leaves, hopefully he will be headed into a prison when he leaves the White House.

Richard 2
Richard 2
13 years ago

Don’t bring up facts, they confuse the left and they may have a seizure.

Richard 2
Richard 2
13 years ago

It was actions like this that cost the Dems the election, and since they and Obama are refusing to learn the lesson the voters gave them the Democrat party is headed into the trashcan of history.

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