Pamela Geller, Human Events Featured Article: Why There Shouldn’t Be a Mosque at Ground Zero

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Why There Shouldn’t Be a Mosque at Ground Zero Pamela Geller, Human Events

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Those favoring construction of a 15-story mega-mosque at Ground Zero say that those who oppose it are racists and bigots. It is absurd to suggest that the 70% of Americans who oppose the building of the mosque do so out of hatred of Muslims.

Americans don’t want a victory mosque marking the site of the 9/11 attacks. They don’t want an insult to the 3,000 Americans who were murdered there by Islamic jihadists and for whom Ground Zero is a cemetery.

There are other reasons to oppose the mosque, too. Here’s why every American should oppose the mega-mosque—including you.

First, there is the Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, leader of the mosque effort. It is clear that Rauf and other mosque leaders are not as moderate as they claim to be. Rauf has close ties to the Muslim Brotherhood, while those who claim he is moderate just keep telling us that he is without giving us evidence. But the audio and transcripts posted at my website Atlas Shrugs prove otherwise.

The Muslim Brotherhood is dedicated, according to a captured internal document, to “eliminating and destroying Western civilization from within.” Rauf’s book What’s Right with Islam says on the copyright page that “this edition was made possible through a joint effort of the International Institute of Islamic Thought (IIIT) and the office of Interfaith and Community Alliance of the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA). Funding for this project was provided by IIIT.” Both IIIT and ISNA are Muslim Brotherhood fronts, and ISNA was named an unindicted co-conspirator in the Holy Land Foundation Hamas terror funding case.

The Arabic translation of Rauf’s book is a call to conversion from the pile of human remains at Ground Zero, disturbingly entitled, A Call to Prayer from the World Trade Center Rubble: Islamic Dawa in the Heart of post 9/11 America.

In his book, Rauf supports and justifies Sharia law, and calls for restrictions on free speech in America. He has written another book that has gotten little notice: Islam: A Sacred Law—What Every Muslim Should Know About Sharia. In it he explains why God’s law is superior to manmade law, or that is, why Sharia is better than democracy:

“God places a high premium on judging in accord with His dictates, and for developing a nation where laws apply to all equally, and where those who are in charge of upholding the law do not set themselves or any other group above the law—for them corruption sets in. The corruption of the individual or a society that abandons Sacred Law is amplified in one of the key Qur’anic passages regarding the relevance, evolution and meaning of Divine Law, (5:41-50) where Allah speaks frequently of the act of ‘judging.’ In this passage, God criticizes previous generations who ‘raced toward disbelief, among those who say with their mouths “We believe” while their hearts done believe;’ who ‘altered God’s Words from their placements;’ indicating somehow that they altered their divinely ordained Shari’ah, placing their own values above that which God had established. The Qur’an continues to describe them as ‘listeners of lies, devourers of ill-gotten property,’ an accusation that a Muslim tries carefully to avoid incurring.”

This passage is based on a section of the Koran, 5:41-50, that talks about “judging” peoples. It’s clear from the context that the “previous generations” are Jews and Christians who have now become “listeners of lies, devourers of ill-gotten property.” In other words, Rauf is condemning Jews and Christians in America and arguing obliquely that America should ditch the Constitution and adopt Sharia.

It is important to remember that there are numerous huge mosques being built all over America with money from the North American Islamic Trust (NAIT), another Muslim Brotherhood-linked group that gets Saudi funding. As mosque leaders have now admitted, and like most mosques in this country, the mega-mosque at Ground Zero will have to get foreign funding. The Muslim community in Lower Manhattan doesn’t need a giant mosque, and can’t pay for one. All over the country, NAIT is overseeing the construction of huge mosques that are much larger than the local Muslim group really needs.

These mega-mosques are making a supremacist statement. Most people assume they’re just like synagogues or churches. They don’t realize that Islam has political goals that are expressed through the mosques, and that the mosques often symbolize that Muslims are claiming a particular territory as their own. In Europe, the “no-go” areas for non-Muslims in France, Sweden and elsewhere show what these claims lead to.

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sean
sean
13 years ago

Why everyone is a NIMBY when it comes to having a mosque in the neighborhood: http://crombouke.blogspot.com/2010/01/mosque-blight.html

Majumder
Majumder
13 years ago

The photo of a “White Building” that Pamela Geller used with a round “NO” sign over it is not a mosque, rather an ancient Hindu temple that was converted to an Islamic tomb by an Islamic ruler in India.
Muslims on and off ruled India from 712 A.D. to 1757 A.D. During that time it was Musiim rulers’ custom to destroy Hindu, Buddhist, Jain, and other non-Muslims’ temples or convert them to office-buildings, tombs, mosques, etc.
http://www.stephen-knapp.com/was_the_taj_mahal_a_vedic_temple.htm

sean
sean
13 years ago

ALL mosques are epicenters of hatred.
Observant Muslims go to mosques to curse Jews and Christians seventeen times a day!
‘Muslims recite the Surah Al-Fatiha seventeen times a day, at the start of each unit of prayer.
‘Show us the straight path, the path of those whom Thou hast favoured; Not the (path) of those who earn Thine anger nor of those who go astray.
In the seventh verse, hadith inform us that “ġayril maġḍūbi ‘alayhim” (those who earned your anger) refers to the Jews, who, according to Allah, abandoned practicing his religion; “walāḍ ḍāllīn” (those who went astray) refers to the Christians, who lost the knowledge and thus deserve less anger. Because of a hadith which states that “whoever does not recite Surah Al-fatihah in his prayer his prayer is invalid”, many Islamic scholars emphasise the importance of this chapter in their commentaries. In practice, this means that Muslims who perform daily prayers according to traditional rules will recite Surah Al-Fatiha at least 17 times a day.’
from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Fatiha

Jack Sperrow
Jack Sperrow
13 years ago

To Pamela and others who support or even just belive in her idot thought.
You havn’t provided a single official document of what you are claiming. Please stop hating others, and FYI, the Islamic Center will be built, wither or not you like it, cause it is a consititutional right, and even the government can’t do anything, so how about a trash ordinary people like you? For sure you won;t be able to do anything. You are just waisting your time, and money for nothing. Even you got All Americans idiots like you, you won’t be able to stop it cause it is the first amandment which means whatever the majority says, these amadments shall not be changed according to what most of people says. Please go do your homework first and read about your constitution first. How shamful for an American doesn’t know the constitution. FYI, a reply for ”stop islamization of America”. I would say it is TOO LATE..Muslims will grow more, but not in a stupid way you think, they will grow by their values, and tolerance to others. Killing inocents not mentioned in Quran, you guys are idiots and taking verses out of context, if you wanna read and understand Quran, You should do so in its original language, translations makes a whole amount of difference. IT is like reading \Bible in English, it doesn’t make sense you should read it in the original Hebrow Language, that is if you wanna really understand, not top rely on a ”copy-paste” job like idiots ignorants.
I liked the interview when the RT channel anchor asked you plenty of questions and you didn’t answer any, she just ripped you off. What to say,,,Chronic Idiocy Syndrom, you have to check your family for carrying this gene. the matter of fact, do us a favor and check most of Americans for that.

Kevin C
Kevin C
13 years ago

Take a look at the problems France and the UK have with the Neighborhood Mosques and then ask yourself that same question. If you are honest with yourself you won’t like the answer.

sean
sean
13 years ago

Classic taqiyya
Killing inocents not mentioned in Quran, you guys are idiots and taking verses out of context..
[5] The infidels’ quotes from the Koran are always taken out of context.
For example ‘Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them’ is taken out of context, and really means ‘Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them setting fire to your house’ – or something similar.
from http://crombouke.blogspot.com/2010/01/twelve-tactics-of-taqiyya.html
if you wanna read and understand Quran, You should do so in its original language, translations makes a whole amount of difference
[6] Infidels can’t understand the original Arabic of the Koran.
So ‘Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them’ is actually a Medieval Arabic expression meaning ‘Help old ladies across busy streets and remember to feed the birds in winter’.

from http://crombouke.blogspot.com/2010/01/twelve-tactics-of-taqiyya.html

Robin Shadowes
Robin Shadowes
13 years ago

If you want to learn more about the muslim mentality.
Hell’s Angels in Denmark declare war on “jackals” – ‘The jackal manifesto’
he ‘jackal manifesto’ was published by Hell’s Angels Denmark earlier this summer, which appears to formally declare a state of war between HA and their auxiliaries, AK81, on the one hand and immigrant gangs on the other. The manifesto itself follows in english translation.
It would be interesting to know what members think of this development, especially those living in Denmark. Is this the start of a wider war between “locals” and “immigrants” in Denmark and possibly Europe? How accurate is the description of the situation that can be found in the manifesto?
The Jackal Manifesto
We use the word “jackal” about those we despise for good reason. A term that fits well in this context, and, seen from the true character of the animal, is well chosen. Jackals are easy to recognize from their stupid attitudes and cowardly patterns of conduct. Using this term for them is not based on prejudice or narrow-minded unwillingness to understand their “difficult circumstances”. Instead it is a term chosen after extensive consideration based on countless experiences and a life among them. From when there were just a few of them until today, when they are numerous enough to gather in groups. The Jackal Manifesto is not to be considered a derision of people with a certain tone of skin or a particular religion, nor is it a derision of the animal whose name is being used. Some self-righteous individuals will probably think of it in that way — peace be upon them, and then leave the victimization to them. No, the Manifesto is to be thought of as a usable tool for understanding those individuals who through threats, terror and violence hold innocent Danes, children, young and older, of all races and both genders, in an iron grip of fear. Last, but not least, this term should be used to counter the spiritual depravity of racism.
This manifesto is created with no use of propaganda from police, politicians or media. The manifesto is based on facts — actual events and a long period of experiences with the aforementioned jackals. It is about understanding and defining the kind of people we’re dealing with. Using the term “perkere” [a Danish derogative mixing “Persians” and “Turks”] about these two-legged jackals would be misleading and excessively broad. “Perker” is a stigmatizing racist expression, quite like the use of the term “rocker” [Danish derogative for biker] has become in relation to bikers. Just as the word “rocker” has been associated with “crime”, it is now also associated with “alien” and has become a good example of how negative terms are being misused to amplify people’s fear and hatred, for no good reason. No one with even an inkling of common sense should despise or stalk innocent, decent people just because they are different, have a different colour or culture, or simply due to it being in fashion! Doing so would eventually cause them to drag themselves down to the stage where precisely the jackals find their mental luggage, and where they belong.
Jackals are mainly found among people of Arab origin. Stating otherwise would be a mistake. Other nationalities are represented as well, and even dumb Danish boys. Members of the so-called immigrant gangs are not necessarily jackals. In case doubt exists as to who they are, where they come from and what they contain, we here find an excellent profile of the jackal:
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Alone and unarmed, they are largely harmless to ordinary adults. In these situations they usually behave in a friendly manner, cringing or unpleasantly smirking. When one knows their attitudes and what they contain, and is clear about what they will say about you behind your back, they seen largely pathetic.
In groups of three or more they change character, become arrogant and courageous. In these groups they attack without reason or warning, targeting young and old alike.
They hate Danes; the mentality, the way of life, Christianity and its symbols. They frequently state “racism” as the main reason for their hatred, but they do not see the “splinter” in their own eye and believe that racism can only be white against black. They consider Denmark a country of whores, and the more harm they can inflict on the citizens of the country, the better they feel.
They terrorize children and the young to an extent rarely seen in this country. So grossly and massively that it gives a wholly new meaning to the term “bullying”, and it harms everyone — also those “New Danes” who in the eyes of the jackals are too integrated and thus traitors to their feeling of “statelessness” and “we are always right” mentality that their upbringing and twisted brains have created. Many jackals claim to be victims of a war, are children of wars, or boast of having been in war, but their “wars” are far from the Denmark that has provided every one of them a chance. That they do not go back or away to their “wars”, rather than create them here, is due to the fact that their parents fled wars, they themselves fled wars, or because they have never been close to a war!
They have no respect for courtesy or polite behaviour, unless it comes from their fathers, their older uncles or imams. Polite and friendly individuals are seen as easy victims, cowardly and fearsome, and they are immediately smeared when out of earshot.
They have no natural respect for the elderly — apart from the persons mentioned above. They see nothing wrong in bothering or terrorizing them, or even committing violence against them.
Before the legal changes about permit of residence and Danish citizenship they thought it was ridiculous to apply for Danish citizenship, in case they had not received it automatically or were born in the “country of whores”. It was enough to be here, enjoy the goods, and behave like crap.
In spite of the fact of almost all of them being born and raised in Denmark, they use a losers tongue with an assumed strong accent. This manner of speaking is adopted because they hate everything Danish, including the language, and because they are impressed by the language spoken by the black in the ghettos of the U.S. They want to make clear that they are outside society and are gangstas. In this manner they identify with each other and the genuine racism that the blacks have been subject to. They assume the role of the victim, which is central to their worldview.
They all have an oppressive mentality towards women, which they barely keep in check when looking for a date or on foreign turf. This mentality probably stems from an upbringing where they already at the age of 6-7 were given the right to decide over their mother and older sisters.
They harbour contempt for Danish women, their independence and their liberty, unless they do what they are told to, go along with them, or convert to Islam. If they do not, they are immediately considered to be whores, with no hint of irony! This is frequently expressed in random encounters in the street, in discotheques, in context of gang rapes, when their girlfriends intend to break up with them, or in any dealings with ex-girlfriends in general.
If they form the opinion that their own sisters, female cousins, mothers, or even ex-girlfriends are dressed incorrectly, too often in town, enjoy alcohol, or talk too frequently to infidels, they apply pressure on them. If the women then do not toe the line, they risk expulsion,, threats, violence or worse.
If anyone dares to refer to, compliment or joke about “their” women, it is never thought of as funny or friendly, but as an assault on the so-called “honour” of the jackals.
If they face resistance in discussion or risk a beating in some situation, they immediately fall to the ground, howling and whining like genuine jackals.
If they are beaten, they howl and scream, and immediately look to their own kin, pretending to have won the fight. Only when they end up in the intensive care ward, or if their visible damages are too extensive, do they admit to having been licked. In these cases they always claim that they were faced by many and had been assaulted!
If they are out in sufficient numbers, they have no tolerance of anyone looking at them, at the girls in their company, into their cars or simply in their general direction. In case they are alone or outnumbered, they stare into the ground or away, probably ashamed due to them knowing their true worth.
They systematically behave aggressively in traffic, and will, in case of random accidents, call in reinforcements from more jackals, intimidate the other parties into taking the blame, or even assault them. Even rescue staff, who should be sacrosanct in the situation, are at risk of being assaulted in their common excitement
They start forming groups from the age of 10-12, but most pull out of trouble and life as a jackal at the age of 25, when they get married and have children. Surprisingly, they then seem to assume that all past misdeeds are instantly forgiven.
They do not necessarily belong to a gang. Many of them are on their own or just a few along in daily life, but as soon as they are assembled in sufficient numbers, they feel on top of things and then the jackal mentality asserts itself in full.
A clear indication of a jackal feeling insecure and thus not having the courage to fight is loud shouting and wild gestures. Empty threats is a speciality, preferably from a safe distance; giving the finger from a car passing by, writing slogans on house walls or hateful messages in prison cells are examples of this. These risk-free acts are, surprisingly, considered by the jackals to be victories!
Fear is their weapon of choice, and precisely the fact that peaceful persons know that they may attack without reason, in groups and armed with knives, is the reason that many ordinary citizens live in daily fear of the jackals when leaving their homes.
In contrast to the bikers (in Danish media called “rockers”), which have also been demonized by the media, the jackals consider the “fear of them” to be something great. While bikers consider unjustified fear from strangers and ordinary citizens a burden, the jackals consider this fear to be an expression of others having respect for them. That they are something!
Most jackals are of immigrant background, but a few “mad dogs” of Danish ethnicity are around. They have either grown up in the wrong spot, or have been attracted by the respect (read: fear) that jackals, and to a high degree police and the press, have created around the jackal way of life.
The vast majority of jackals are Muslims, at least when at home at their fathers or speaking with the priest. They pretend to believe in God and that they follow the Quran. They often invoke Allah — in particular when in prison or when alone and scared. In daily life, however, they often fail to follow the true way of the faith: They smoke hashish, take drugs, commit crime, drink alcohol, fight, swear, commit adultery, and they most certainly cannot be blamed for NOT engaging in usury! The only rules from their faith that most follow are to abstain from eating pork and to attempt to observe Ramadan as well as they can. Apart from that, God and the guidelines of faith are merely consolation used when away from the security of the pack. This kind of faith and consolation are used by the leaders of the packs as a tool for power and to keep the crowd together when there is no other kind of sense behind their desires.
The jackals are occasionally presented as “foreign rockers”, and it has become routine for police and press with statements to the effect that the jackals from the gangs are worse than the “rockers”. This is an artificial comparison, but it creates some useful fear in Mr. and Mrs. Denmark. The bikers have never behaved in this manner, not even when some of them were rockers! The average Dane should obviously be scared when he or she hears about someone worse than the rockers. After twenty years of propaganda about how evil the so-called “rockers” are/were, something even worse appears!
Although these jackals are far from innocent, and to an unprecedented degree have been using pointless violence, it does deserve mention that precisely the police and the press have contributed to encouraging them. That has given them that inkling of courage they never would have had themselves, if it wasn’t for that extensive coverage — something that in the end has rendered them more dangerous to those who do not want to, or are not able to, defend themselves.
Cultural enrichment is something the jackals most certainly are not part of; they are more like pure losers with an assumed role of victim. When many Danes do not feel the need or desire to extend their hand to Islam, it is hardly caused by terrorism in the world at large, or the more or less obvious crime committed by individuals. It is more likely to be the encounter with the jackals of everyday life. Never in one’s life must one bow down to this kind of human trash!
http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/international-politics/52121-hells-angels-denmark-declare-war-jackals-jackal-manifesto.html
Nicolai Sennels is a danish psychologist who has worked with muslim prison inmates. He therefore understands their psyche very well. Please read this article too.
Nearly monthly, new studies and books about the problems with the integration of Muslims in Germany and whole Europe are published. In France, Great Britain and the Netherlands the problems seem to be most obviously, but also in small Denmark. In the aftermath of the Mohammed-cartoon crisis, there have been some changes concerning Muslims in politics and public opinion. The German Review of Books talked to Nicolai Sennels, a psychologist who worked for several years with young criminal Muslims in a Copenhagen prison, about recent developments.
Mr. Sennels, since the publishing of your book “Among Criminal Muslims” in 2008 and our last interview, there have been some changes in the Danish integration policy. For instance, the Danish government just announced a tenfold increase in payments to encourage reverse migration. This is one of your main requests: paying Muslims, who are not willing to integrate, to return to their countries of origin.
It is clear that my book had an influence on the debate. Many politicians quoted my book, and it is clear that the book has contributed to a more free debate in Denmark. My experiences from extensive travelling throughout our continent, my lectures and of course international media, is, that Denmark is Europe’s tip of the spear when it comes to acknowledging the problems with Islam and Muslim immigration. Parties that talk openly about these problems are growing, and parties that don’t are close to extinction. Even the two biggest left wing parties agree – the Social Democracy Party and Socialistic Peoples Party – that they will not change the strict immigration laws that have been made by the Dansk Folkeparti.
Soon we will probably get a law that will kick immigrants out of Denmark if they block or interfere with police work. This law is crucial to regain secular control of Muslim-dominated areas. While the prospect of imprisonment does not seem to scare immigrants from committing serious and dangerous crimes, it seems that losing the chance to live in our country is the only thing that really scares them. This is also my own experience from working with criminal Muslims: The one thing they fear is being deported.
The rest can be found here:
http://www.germanbookreview.com/the-one-thing-muslim-immigrants-fear-is-being-deported/

Hershl
Hershl
13 years ago

Human Events?
Hmmm.
The magazine of the John Birch Society.
Pam, can’t you find anyone better to print your stuff?
Good article, bad place to feature it.
Those people are to the right of Attila the Hun.

traeh
traeh
13 years ago

Here’s an interesting new initiative that could be the seed of something very important in time.
It’s called the Ground Zero Declaration, which everyone should sign.
By signing the Ground Zero Declaration, you join in its request of four things from the Ground Zero Imam (Rauf) and his associates:
1. Rauf and his associates should go through a questionnaire titled “The Qur’an vs. the Constitution: Questionnaire for Muslims seeking free practice of their religion in America” — the questionnaire asks ten questions (each of which highlights an aspect of Islamic doctrine that conflicts with U.S. law, the Constitution, and Bill of Rights) and then asks Muslims to answer yes or no, as to whether they repudiate each aspect of Islamic doctrine that conflicts with American law and values.
2. Rauf and his associates should sign the “Freedom Pledge” — this is a document that former Muslims are asking American Muslim leaders to sign. The Freedom Pledge points out that Islamic doctrine calls for the death of persons who leave the Islamic faith. The Freedom Pledge repudiates that aspect of Islamic doctrine, and opposes any physical intimidation or worldly or corporal punishment for apostates from Islam.
3. Rauf and associates should demand that Muslim nations grant non-Muslim religions the same freedom to build houses of worship that America grants Muslims.
4. Rauf and associates should postpone, relocate, reconfigure their plans for an Islamic Center within a mile of Ground Zero.
The Declaration then ends by saying that

These simple steps would demonstrate their goodwill, and open the door to a productive dialogue with and about Islam. It would establish a clear distinction between a Reformed Islam that is compatible with American values and a jihadist Islam that seeks to destroy them.
Apart from these steps, we have no reason to believe that the Cordoba House [the Ground Zero Mosque] will in any way be beneficial to American society or inter-faith dialogue. In the shadow of 9/11, the burden of proof is on Imam Rauf to help us understand why we should tolerate an ideology that, at first glance, seems intolerant of everything America stands for.
If he refuses to supply such proof [for example, by carrying out the four actions listed above], then we ask our city, state and federal leaders to judge them by their own standards and give them no more freedom than they are willing to give others. We do not believe a commitment to freedom means giving our enemies the freedom to destroy us.
The choice is theirs.

(my bolding) I like the bolded paragraph a lot, especially since I’ve read the three documents: the Ground Zero Declaration, “Freedom Pledge”, and the Questionnaire: Qur’an vs. the Constitution. These documents are brilliant seeds for the future, ideas in need of ongoing development and refinement. The three documents seem to me to be very much in the spirit of suggestions made by Robert Spencer to require some kind of pledge from Muslims who want to become citizens.
It should be noted that even if a Muslim lied in answering documents like these, s/he could be held accountable for those lies if exposed. At some point in the future, documents like these could perhaps be given legal force, so that lying in one’s answers could be made a crime, leading in some circumstances to loss of citizenship and deportation.
The other value of these documents is that they often compel Muslims to reveal themselves. For example, a number of “moderate” American Muslim leaders have refused to sign the Freedom Pledge, and that reveals that the “moderate” Muslims in question are not willing to condemn Islam’s death-to-apostates law. That rips off the “moderate” mask and reveals the ugly face beneath for all to see.
And as for the Questionnaire, even if no Muslim ever answers it, it’s a powerful educational tool for non-Muslims, because the Questionnaire makes crystal clear a dozen specific ways in which Islamic law and culture are barbarically in conflict with basic American values and laws. I think the Questionnaire could use some more refinement, by experts like Spencer, but it’s already a powerful beginning.

Egghead
Egghead
13 years ago

ISLAM = EVIL
MOHAMMED = WORLD HISTORY’S MOST EVIL MAN
Stop cutting the private parts off of little Muslim girls and raping them in a lifetime of forced “marriage” to old men who participate in polygamy.
SHAME ON YOU! SHAME ON MOHAMMED!

Rose
Rose
13 years ago

Memorial Video:
(Warning: This will make you cry.)
http://www.frugalsites.net/911/attack

dumbledoresarmy
dumbledoresarmy
13 years ago

Thanks for that. I find the ‘Jackal Manifesto’ most interesting: simple commonsense. Also the ‘German Book Review’ interview with Nicolai Sennels. I have read a couple of other Sennels interviews and he is good, very clear-headed. Perhaps Sarkozy has been reading him; I hope so. Is his book in English yet? Politicians, lawyers and law enforcement (from ordinary street cops and prison wardens all the way up to police commissioners) in all the English-speaking countries – USA, Canada, NZ, Australia, S Africa and many many other places, could make a huge difference very quickly if they took Sennels’ diagnoses and advice to heart.
I would guess that Muslims don’t want to be booted out of non-Muslim countries, for two reasons. One: it is just plain nicer and safer living in those countries than in dar al Islam, even if they won’t admit that to themselves. But two: if they’re thrown out, bit by bit, group by group, back into dar al Islam, and their mosques bulldozed flat behind them, then all the territory they perceive as having conquered, is lost. They won’t be able to pull the hegira/ ‘immigration trojan horse’ tactic again, once it’s exposed and ‘blown’.
To those who say – they’ll just breed up armies and invade: historically, when dar al Islam is forced to live in its own mess, and is not artificially propped up from outside, it does not do so well. And as far as demographics go: I have a suspicion that if the violent and hostile Muslim colonies currently battering and battening on the non-Muslim populations of western/ northwestern Europe were removed, or drastically reduced, and the attendant miasma of fear melted away, and the crushing economic burden that the Muslims impose were removed, then …the much-heartened native Europeans, reinforced by the much-more-assimilated non-Muslim immigrants (including such folks as the Assyrian Coptic refugees from Muslim persecution) might celebrate the departure of the Ummah by …deciding to have children again.

German Observer
German Observer
13 years ago

Good job at presenting the TAJ MAHAL as a mosque, you dimwits…

AuntieMadder
AuntieMadder
13 years ago

I feel sorry for those who can’t spell “idiot” or “syndrome” yet post about others having “idot (sic) thought” and “Chronic Idiocy Syndrom (sic),” sandwiching a treasure trove of spelling and grammar mistakes in between because the irony of their own posts is lost on them.

AuntieMadder
AuntieMadder
13 years ago

Okay, I’ll bite. Wtf does the Taj Mahal have to do with the Ground Zero Victory Mosque, numbnuts?

Cedric
Cedric
13 years ago

I feel so sorry for some of these Americans. Their own country screws up other parts of the world and then screws their own people up and they are too ignorant to even begin to understand anything outside of NASCAR. Same Americans are the ones who go out and stuff their mouths with loads of McDonalds burgers, become disgustingly obese and instead of trying to live healthy lifestyles and educate themselves with proper nutrition, they blame their health problems on McDonalds and others, but not themselves.
For me, I’m not fond of the idea of having a mosque in the vicinity of Ground Zero because quite frankly there are many other locations throughout New York to build one. Hell, it’s not even about censoring Islam’s rights to freedom of religion because the last time I saw, there are many Islamic mosques in and around New York City. However, what bothers me is how Americans can be absolutely ignorant of their understanding of Islam. Americans are just as ignorant as the Taliban in Afghanistan and those militant bandits that cause havok in the Congo.

Majumder
Majumder
13 years ago

British imperialists did their best to make “Tejo Mahalaya” (a Jats’ Temple Palace in Northern India) into calling it “Taj Mahal” as a superb monument of Saracenic (Islamic) “civilization”.
British imperialists did all they could to eradicate Hindu identity of Bharat (Indian Subcontinent).
Now, American government assumed the same role from the British imperialists to appease Muslims.
Pamela Geller intentionally used a photo of a Hindu temple palace as depiction of so-called Islamic “civilization”.

pythagoras
pythagoras
13 years ago

THERE SHOULD BE NO MOSQUE AT GROUND ZERO BECAUSE THE PEOPLE OF NEW YORK WHO PAY TAXES AND LIVE THERE DO NOT WANT A MOSQUE THERE. NEW YORKERS DO NOT NEED A REASON OTHER THAN THAT.
It their city–not Islam’s. What New Yorkers say goes. And that’s the way it should be.

Dave Thompson
Dave Thompson
13 years ago

Thanks to idiots like you, your plan will be exposed and you will regret participating in it. The tide is turning and the whole world is against you.

Chris
Chris
13 years ago

Then you must have a problem with all the Christian churches that preach against “nonbelievers,” and believe that every other religion is going to hell, right? Do you say things like “ALL churches are epicenters of hatred?” Doubtful.
The double standards are obvious. It’s a shame the bigots on this site are too stupid to see them.

Chris
Chris
13 years ago

Sean,
You must also believe the Bible is evil, since it commands Christians to kill all witches.
What’s good for the goose is good for the Gellar.

Chris
Chris
13 years ago

“There’s much more, read it all.”
Why would I read more when I can already spot the many, many lies just from this brief excerpt?
First of all, this is not going to be a “mega-mosque.” It is a community center open to everyone. Only two of the floors are dedicated to prayer. The rest is pretty much the equivalent of a YMCA.
Second of all, you have failed to demonstrate that Rauf has “close ties” to the Brotherhood or any other terrorist group. You’ve repeated this incessantly, but that doesn’t make it true.
Third of all, that quote from Rauf does absolutely nothing to show that he wants democracy replaced with sharia–if that’s the best you can do, then clearly there is no evidence that this is what he wants. In fact, he has said many times that he believes sharia and democracy can coexist perfectly. As for defending sharia, sure, that sounds scary to your audience, because you keep telling them that sharia means enslaving women and cutting off hands. But anyone who has read Rauf’s writings without bigot blinders on knows that his interpretation of sharia is much different. In fact, anyone remotely familiar with Islam knows that sharia is interpreted in widely different ways by its adherents. Just saying “He practices sharia” doesn’t mean anything. You intentionally don’t go any further then this because you know it’s an effective scare tactic to just say “Sharia.” It’s ignorant and stupid, but hey, it works! And that’s all that matters to Pam Gellar. Not the truth, not accuracy, but drumming up rage and fear in your audience so that they’ll keep supporting her. It’s so easy that I can’t believe you still get any satisfaction from it. Doesn’t getting wingnuts riled up over every little trivial thing ever get boring? Apparently not when your obsession with destroying Islam (and, therefore, the lives of its practitioners) knows no bounds, no shame, and seems to have no end in sight.
Your paranoid fantasies were entertaining when you were just arguing that Obama was the illegitimate love-child of Malcolm X, but this crap is having real consequences. You’re misinforming the public and doing a huge disservice to our country with your McCarthyist witch hunt. Shame on you.

Egghead
Egghead
13 years ago

In the name of Islam, Muslims have violently murdered over 270 million non-Muslims in 1,400 years.
The vast majority of wars today occur because of the explicit printed Koranic mandate of violent jihad that mandates ALL Muslims to financially support and physically participate in the violent murder and terrorizing of non-Muslims. Anywhere that Muslims congregate is sure to experience increased levels of violent crime, gang rape, murder, and terrorism perpetrated by Muslims on non-Muslims.
Muslims owe the whole world a big fat apology for their long history of shameful behavior.
We’re waiting….

Egghead
Egghead
13 years ago

What the Bible says is IRRELEVANT to what the Koran says. We are discussing the KORAN here.
How Muslims act based on the Koran is highly relevant. The Koran explicitly instructs Muslims to participate in ISLAM which is a VICIOUS WORLDWIDE CRIMINAL SYNDICATE directed against non-Muslims.

Egghead
Egghead
13 years ago

Chris, you are either a Muslim or one of their “useful idiots.” I guess Muslim!
The Ground Zero mosque will be a mosque, and mosques are reserved for Muslim use. Indeed, women are segregated from men in most mosques – if women are even given a prayer space.
My nominally “Christian” YMCA does NOT have two stories dedicated to promoting violent murder against Muslims. The Ground Zero mosque will be a tourist attraction for every Muslim jihadi in the world to gloat over the greatest current Muslim victory in America.
Rauf is indeed a jihadi, and you claiming that Rauf is peaceful is lying taqiyya meant to advance the Muslim cause through deception.
Rauf’s interpretation of Sharia Law is irrelevant. The idea that any version of barbaric primitive coercive abusive discriminatory genocidal Islamic Sharia Law deserves any shared space with democracy is RIDICULOUS.
Obama MUST show his long form birth certificate. Can he? Doubt it. Enjoy your foreign Muslim usurper president while you can….

Chris
Chris
13 years ago

Wow. For someone called “Egghead,” you are really dumb.
You provide no evidence for your claim that the community center will be a mosque that will not allow non-Muslims. Meanwhile, a simple google search will show many articles from legitimate news sources that show the community center will be open to all.
You also imply that the community center will preach violence against non-Muslims, with no evidence for such an assertion.
The whole taqiyya thing is a way to “prove” that Muslims are lying no matter what they say, which is a circular argument based on nothing but bigotry. The same could be said for your hatred of all things called “sharia,” which you know nothing about.
But that’s nothing compared to your last paragraph, which would prove your idiocy and paranoia even if none of the above had. Good luck making your movement sound even crazier, lemming!

Egghead
Egghead
13 years ago

Chris, If you enjoy sounding stupid, then you win. You definitely sound Muslim – apologizing for Sharia Law and all.
Your “legitimate” news sources would be a lot more “legitimate” if any reporters actually covered the news that the entire goal of Islam is to eliminate non-Muslims through forced conversion or violent mass murder – whichever is easiest. But, nowadays, reporters are chicken to even print a lame cartoon about Mohammed for fear of massive Muslim riots – and personal terror attacks on the reporters. Therefore, all and all valid criticism of Islam is effectively squelched which gives Islamists like Imam Rauf an advantage at performing murderous jihad and implementing Sharia Law on non-Muslims.
ALL mosques preach violence against non-Muslims because ALL mosques follow the Koran which is EXPLICIT in its instructions to convert, conquer, or violently murder non-Muslims. And, yes, we non-Muslims have figured out that ALL schools of Islam agree about the concept of ABROGATION where the very few early peaceful verses are totally canceled by the very many later violent verses.
The evidence that many mosques across the world preach and condone violence abounds. Below is one site that discusses violent mosques in the United States.
http://www.investigativeproject.org/maps/terrorism-map.php
As for my knowledge of Sharia Law, I know enough to realize that Sharia Law is SATANIC.
And, I also know that Obama CANNOT produce a non-forged long form birth certificate – or he would have by now. We’re still waiting….

Majumder
Majumder
13 years ago

The photo of a “White Building” that Pamela Geller used with a round “NO” sign over it is not a mosque, rather an ancient Hindu temple that was converted to an Islamic tomb by an Islamic ruler in India.
Muslims on and off ruled India from 712 A.D. to 1757 A.D. During that time it was Musiim rulers’ custom to destroy Hindu, Buddhist, Jain, and other non-Muslims’ temples or convert them to office-buildings, tombs, mosques, etc.
http://www.stephen-knapp.com/was_the_taj_mahal_a_vedic_temple.htm
So, to make you clear on this, a photo of “Taj Mahal” (i.e., Tejo Mahalaya) has been used here despite the fact that “Taj Mahal” was not an Islamic mosque.

stopIslam
stopIslam
13 years ago

So they have a “right” to have a mosque by ground zero, they have a “right”to practice their ideology..oops I meant religion, the Islamic Thinkers Society has a “right” to burn our nations flag on the streets of NYC. So I guess that means I have a “right” to burn the Qu’ran, the “right” to draw pictures of Muhammad, and certainly the “right” to refer to blacks, hispanics and other groups by names they find offensive. Everyone has “rights”, but it is always wise to express them?

Chris
Chris
13 years ago

Imam Rauf and the Cordoba Initiative are trying to put a stop to Islam’s legacy of violence. You and Pam Gellar want them to be evil murderers, and are disappointed that they are not. They are interested in building bridges, you are interested in keeping division. Al Qaeda wants a holy war, they want America and Muslims to be enemies. And you’re playing right into their hands. You have more in common with the terrorists than Rauf does.

Bobbi
Bobbi
13 years ago

These were jewish laws for cleanliness,all the unclean diseases were kept away as long as obedience to God was practiced

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