Pamela Geller Interview, Right Side News: Muslim Terror in Mumbai, A year later

conducted an in-depth interview with me on the heinous Islamic terror attacks on Mumbai one year later.

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Part Four: The Conceptual Drivers For Mumbai Alyssa Lappen

On Thanksgiving 2009, as police worldwide continued arresting
Lashkar-e-Toiba (LeT) collaborators and Home Box Office plans to
release a film quoting a Pakistani terrorist mastermind the victims, families and others mourned the massive Mumbai terrorist attacks
precisely one year earlier on Nov. 26,

Doubtless few Americans realized that in July
2008 a Chicago Pakistan-born jihadist had posed as Jewish to case
LeT's key target, Nariman Chabad House. That David Coleman Headley and his
Chicago peers, arrested in a giant October FBI Muslim slaughterhouse
raid, planned to bomb Denmark's Jyllands-Posten news offices too.

That they allegedly attempted to assassinate Kurt Westergaard, whose
satirical 2005 Mohammed cartoons lent
Islamic radicals an excuse to launch worldwide riots actually planned months earlier. Or that Hafiz Masood, while imam
Boston's Islamic Center of New
, had raised funds for LeT.

The consuming desire of Mumbai's Muslim attackers
to specifically target Jewish people (and Chabad's Nariman House), was exposed
Jan. 5, 2009 by reporter Shomendra Sharma in India's daily e-paper, DNA India. The terrorists
intended to send "a message to Jews across the world by attacking the ultra
orthodox synagogue." Imprisoned LeT predator Fahim Ahmed Ansari
corroborated the report — but only 10 months after his Feb. 2008 capture for
bombing a Rampur Central Police Reserve training camp — so as not to
jeopardize the terrorists' most secret and important Nariman House attack.

Unlike any mainstream U.S. journalists, AtlasShrugs
founder and publisher Pamela Geller ran the story that morning. JihadWatch
followed her lead early Jan. 6. Few others reported it at all.

The blackout was particularly shocking, given the
clarity of the news: LeT's Pakistani handlers "were clear this operation
[Nariman] should not fail under any circumstances," DNA reported. The
Taj Mahal, Oberoi and Chhattrapati Shivaji Terminus targets, however, "were
[merely] intended to amplify the effect." After landing their dingy, terrorist
leader Ismail Khan again "intensely" briefed the assigned Nariman perpetrators
— Imran Babar (a.k.a. Abu Akasha) and Nasir (a.k.a. Abu Umer) — personally
instructing them what to do. The results were intensely barbaric and bloody.
Bodies were horrifically mutilated, and eyes gouged out.

But for Atlas Shrugs,
still fewer Americans would know these salient facts.

While appalling, such revelations would hardly
surprise those familiar with Islamic theocratic texts. People unfamiliar would
be well-advised to consult our generation's preeminent scholar on Islamic
antisemitism, Dr. Andrew Bostom. In mid-2008 the Brown University medical
professor and renal specialist published probably the most complete collection
of Islamic texts, demonstrating the weighty evidence of Islamic Jew-hatred
contained throughout foundational Islamic holy books, jurisprudence, and
historical accounts — as propagated by Mohammed himself. (Full disclosure: I
happily assisted Dr. Bostom in some aspects of the book's preparations).

Islam's founder of Islam began his anti-Jewish
campaigns with his respective 624 and 625 expulsions of the Quaynuqa and Nadir
Jewish tribes from Medina. He continued in 627 with the slaughter of all Qurayza Jewish men and enslavement of their
women and children. In 628, he besieged and banished the Jews of the Khaybar oasis. On his
death bed, Mohammed instructed his heirs to totally ban Jews from Arabia — a
goal consummated in 643 and 644 by Caliph

Nor does Bostom alone observe essential facts
concerning this foundational hatred. Renowned antisemitism Professor Robert Wistrich, too, had previously noted
that the Koran contains "…notably harsh passages in which Muhammad brands the
Jews as enemies of Islam and depicts them as possessing a malevolent, rebellious
spirit." Wistrich cites verses that purport to justify the Jews' "abasement and
poverty;" and describe them as "…'laden with God's anger'…" for disobeying
Allah. Mohammed instructed Muslims to humiliate Jews, Wistrich observes,
"'…because they had disbelieved the signs of God and slain the prophets
unrightfully…'" (Sura 2:58/61).

The Koran also claims that both David and Jesus
cursed "'…the unbelievers of the Children of Israel…'," (Sura 5:78/82). The
penalty for disbelieving God's supposed signs and the miracles of Mohammed,
Wistrich notes, was to be transformed into apes and swine (Sura 5:60/65).
Moreover, Islamic oral tradition — the deeds and sayings of Mohammed (hadith)
— claims that the Jews, in accordance with their purportedly perfidious
nature, deliberately poisoned Muhammad, causing his painful, protracted

Finally, Wistrich notes that the "malevolent,
conspiratorial Jews are to blame for the sectarian strife in early Islam, for
heresies and deviations that undermined or endangered the unity of the
umma (the Muslim nations)…"

Indeed, even modern Muslim clerics often cite
these historical Islamic data in statements, judicial texts and charters —
despite frequent attempts to whitewash that history. In June, 2009 at Cairo's Al
Azhar university, for example, President Barack Obama described the
thousand-year-old institution as "a beacon of Islamic
" that had "carried the light of learning" throughout the

Yet, the Islamic paragon of tolerance and nearest
Muslim "equivalent to a Pope," Al
Azhar grand imam Mohammed Sayyid Tantawi last year apologized for shaking
hands with Israeli president Shimon Peres — in far
better keeping with his character than the handshake. As Bostom has often noted, Tantawi
genuinely considers Jews "enemies of Allah, and descendants of apes and pigs;" actively
supports Islamic "religious law" (his words) suicide bombings to kill Israeli
civilians, women and children; and
after his 1997 meeting with Israeli chief Rabbi Israel Lau, urged Muslims to
meet Jewish "enemies" in order "… to counter their dubious claims and stick
fingers into their eyes…."
Moreover, Tantawi derived this hatred directly from the Koran, "more than
one-third of which deals with the Jews…," as he readily admits.

Indeed, Tantawi's 1966 Ph.D. Thesis, Banu
Isra'il fi al-Qur'an wa al-Sunna
[The Children of Israel in the Koran and
the Sunna], which Bostom excerpted in
English for the first time, states that the Jewish people "were cursed from
aforetime and were exiled from his [Allah's] mercy, and miserable wretchedness
al-dhullah wal-maskana was decreed as their lot, for horrible
punishment became their dominant trait." (p. 391) As hateful a 700-page screed
as one is ever likely to read, the dissertation undoubtedly also earned Tantawi
his Pope-like Islamic position. It further states,

Koran describes the Jews with their own particular degenerate characteristics,
i.e. killing the prophets of Allah [Koran 2:61/3:112], corrupting His words by
putting them in the wrong places, consuming the people's wealth frivolously,
refusal to distance themselves from the evil they do, and other ugly
characteristics caused by their deep-rooted lasciviousness… only a minority of
the Jews keep their word…. [A]ll Jews are not the same. The good ones become
Muslims [Koran 3:113],
the bad ones do not."

As historian David Littman heroically began to
note at the U.N. Human Rights Commission in Jan. 1989, the Hamas Charter in the same
spirit is a genocidal decree. Moreover, (as Bostom has also noted), even
before its preamble, the Hamas document opens by quoting the most
sacred of all Islamic texts, the Koran
chapter 3, v. 110-112:

[Muslims] are the best nation that has been brought out for mankind. You command
good and forbid evil and believe in Allah. If only the people of the Book [i.e.,
Jews and Christians] had believed, it would have been well for them. Some of
them believe, but most of them are iniquitous. They will never be able to do you
serious harm, they will only be an annoyance. If they fight you, they will turn
their backs and flee, and will not be succored. Humiliation is their lot
wherever they may be, except where they are saved from it by a bond with Allah
or by a bond with men. They incurred upon themselves Allah's wrath, and
wretchedness is their lot, because they denied Allah's signs and wrongfully
killed the prophets, and because they disobeyed and transgressed." (Koran,

Only within the context of the above information
can one fully appreciate Right Side News' exclusive fourth and final
interview of Atlas, by investigative reporter Alyssa A. Lappen. Since beginning the series in
February 2009 (parts I, II and III are here, here and here), Lappen has queried
Atlas on her tireless efforts to expose the Muslim wars within the U.S. and
Western world — on free speech, human rights of women, and non-Muslims

In this last segment, Lappen concentrates on the
Nov. 28, 2008 Islamic terror attacks in Mumbai, which consolidated in all
respects every front in the global Islamic jihad, through its special focus on
the Jewish people.

Finally, the full meaning of these attacks has
come home to roost in the U.S. — with the discovery that Pakistan-born,
U.S.-based Islamic terrorists were involved in their planning. Indeed, on
Tuesday, Nov. 24, even a mainstream newspaper — in Barack Obama's former Chicago political
environs no less — informed readers of the troubling roles of U.S. terrorists
in Mumbai.

Surprisingly, three days earlier on Nov. 21, the
ultra-liberal Christian Science Monitor
similarly had headlined an article on the "Islamic terror motive" of the Nov. 5
Muslim massacre of 13 people at Ft. Hood. CSM actually emphasized
underlying Islamic facts — albeit while claiming they present an essentially
"partisan divide." Still,
this too represented vastly improved mainstream reporting, in record time after
a jihad strike: For on Nov. 5 and 6, major news networks and newspapers (excepting Fox News
and the New York Post) almost
universally towed the politically correct line on the second such attack on U.S.
soil since Sept. 11. They termed U.S. Army psychiatrist Maj. Nadal Malik Hasan a
"suspect," "shooter" or "gunman" — and studiously
avoided references to Islam or terrorism.

Since February 2009, Atlas has increasingly
received well-merited public recognition for her ardent contributions to
protecting U.S. Constitutional rights, including the freedoms of speech, press
and assembly — which inherently assume and include freedom from
. In May 2009, Atlas began contributing frequently to American Thinker. Since August 2009, she's also
often contributed articles at Newsmax, which recently granted her a Newsmax blog.

With this interview, Right Side News and
Lappen hope to demonstrate that ultimately, the fervor of Islamic attacks on the
Jewish people reflect the fervor of Islamic hatred for all women and non-Muslims
— and the universal freedoms of men and women that the
Muslim leaders are determined to replace with Islamic law.
But the exposure Atlas provided to the level of hatred expressed at Nariman
House, has all the better focused the ordinary eye on the depth of depravity
dictating Islamic attacks of all kinds. Thus can mankind help summon a will
exceeding that of its foes, a steel will, strong enough to utterly demolish


Alyssa A. Lappen: When did you
first understand that the Jewish people and Chabad's Nariman House were the
focal point of the Mumbai attacks.

Atlas: Most of the details were
out there, but not publicized. It wasn't public that Chabad was targeted first
— that according to the LeT central command in this operation, that was the
most important. The terrorists had also targeted the Taj Mahal, Oberois and
Chhattrapati Shivaji Terminus. But Chabad was central because of Islamic hatred
of Jews. In late December, it came out that Rabbi Gavriel Holtzberg and his
wife, Rivka Holtzberg, were sexually mutilated. I was
one of the few to report that.

Then on Jan. 5, Somendra Sharma at the
DNA India e-paper reported that the Pakistani fanatics had wanted to
send a message to the world. It was central to that operation. Everything
besides Chabad was intended to amplify the effect, but they were not the central
targets. A senior police official told the DNA on the condition of
anonymity. Mohammed Ajmal, also known as Kasab, told them that Chabad House
was their primary focus.

AAL: That is truly depraved. So
these people murdered at least 166 people in at
six locations, just to amplify the message that "any Jews killed were worth 50
times as much as anyone else." It boggles the mind. Why?

Atlas: You need to understand.
At this point, U.S. Muslims mention Jews 17 times a day in their daily prayers.
Seventeen times a day, they invoke hatred against "those that incur the wrath of
God," that is, Jews. Even Jewish leaders in Israel have no idea of Dr. Bostom's
seminal work. People do not understand what these [jihadists] are doing. They do
not understand.

AAL: You are saying that 17
times a day, Muslims pray to kill Jews?

Atlas: Yes. I'm telling you about the prayers. I found
this in researching a separate issue, from conversations with [JihadWatch
director] Robert Spencer and Dr.
Andrew Bostom. Robert reported that U.S. mosques have tacked on the dua qunoot — a prayer to destroy Allah's
enemies — to regular daily prayers. That dua qunoot prayer ends with
a plea for "torment … to overtake infidels." And it's been added to every
raka'ah, as it is called, the sub unit of Islamic prayers, or
salah. So Robert reports that pious U.S. Muslims pray 17 times a day to
destroy Allah's enemies, which means Israel. But in this context, it also means

AAL: So, you're saying that in
the context of Mumbai, the terrorists' message was, what, "We are coming to get

Atlas: Yes. That's the message
that Jews are supposed to glean from this. This is what they were saying, by
targeting a couple who do good work, who provided a force for good in the world.
They brutally murdered Rabbi Holtzberg and his wife Rivki and seven other Jews there. And a fact little
discussed is that the Rabbi and his wife were sexually mutilated. It wasn't in
the mainstream media. The Mumbai Mirror reported
this. Their genitalia were mutilated.

When they landed in Mumbai, Ismail Kahn told the two
Nariman perpetrators not to allow a single minimal glitch in finding and
capturing the Chabad House. They wouldn't even plant a bomb in a taxi to go
there — in case the bomb exploded before they reached the target.

They wanted to make sure Nariman House was
destroyed and the people there were destroyed. Period.

The photos of the enormous amount of blood
is one indication of how brutal those murders were. Another is the horrific torture sustained
by Israeli captives at Nariman House before their murders. I'm pointing out that
no one talks about it. Only one line in the Mumbai Mirror discussed the
disturbing photos at the Taj Mahal or mentioned that the terrorists sexually
assaulted their Jewish victims and then mutilated their genitalia. Some of the
other guests were forced to strip, but the Rabbi and his wife were sexually
assaulted. And that was from an official who refused to be identified.

AAL: What overarching message do
you take from this.

There's a lot more. Go read the whole interview.

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