Yet the “This Has Nothing To Do with Islam” machine is already swinging into high gear.
One of those attending the event wrote to me: “On the way home, the officer driving said that the gunmen were trying to enter the building to shoot the place up when they were stopped. It seems obvious in retrospect, but that detail eluded us as we were waiting in the various secure locations.”
“‘Shariah Is Light’ Twitter Account Tweets ‘#TexasAttack’ Minutes Before Mohammad Art Contest Shooting,” by Jordan Schachtel, Breitbart, May 3, 2015 (thanks to Christian):
Approximately twenty minutes before a shooting at an event to promote free speech in Garland, Texas, which resulted in an injured officer and two dead suspects, a radical jihadist account on Twitter posted that a person was with another individual and insinuated that he was planning to sacrifice his life to Islam’s “Allah,” using the hashtag #texasattack.
The Twitter account of the individual in question, @atawaakul, sports the username, “Shariah Is Life,” and has expressed many pro-Islamic State sentiments on its timeline. A photo of Anwar Al Awlaki, the deceased Al Qaeda master recruiter, is displayed as the Twitter user’s profile picture. On April 23, the Twitter user linked to a Breitbart News article written by Pamela Geller, who organized the “Draw Muhammad Contest” in Garland. Texas.
Rober [sic] Spencer, who runs the website Jihad Watch and helped organize the event, wrote on Twitter that he had received threats from pro-ISIS accounts prior to the shooting.
It appears as if the user had previous run-ins with the law, according to the Twitter account in question.
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Geller is creating a hateful and shameful group of people that in no way represent any decent American. The fact that they had this event clocked in the name of freedom of speech is a disgrace to our country. Imagine if someone has a porno Jesus festival? Have you no shame and hate life so much Geller? You are putting peoples lives in danger and being foolish.
I am pretty sure if someone has a porno Jesus festival Christians would avoid it and ‘pray’ for you. No one would come and shoot people up. In fact if you will google it I am sure you will find Jesus already has some porn.
The people who are putting lives in danger are the muslims because they are the ones that are trying to kill people. I normally would not put people all in the same group; but I do not want to live in a country where someone will kill you for drawing a cartoon.
Preach it twptwp.
You’re wrong lady.
The Jesus thing was done and SPONSORED BY THE USA GOVERNMENT. Surely you’re not advocating special treatment for Islam because of Islamic violence.
“Piss Christ is a 1987 photograph by the American artist and photographer Andres Serrano. It depicts a small plastic crucifix submerged in a glass of the artist’s urine. The piece was a winner of the Southeastern Center for Contemporary Art’s “Awards in the Visual Arts” competition,[1] which was sponsored in part by the National Endowment for the Arts, a United States Government agency that offers support and funding for artistic projects, without controlling content.”
Anyone who defends attempted murderers instead of harmless drawings is inhuman and barbaric. The world would be a better place without you. You know nothing about decency.
For years Christian art has been hung in public with everything from dung to porn and many Christians were offended but no one was killed because Christianity forbids it and the first amendment protects it.No ones life should be endangered because of a cartoon, and that is the point.
Shouldn’t you be posting on a Jihadi site?
You’re not fooling anyone.
Either a moslem demanding that we bow to the islamic tyranny or a useful idiot thinking he or she will convert to islam and they will let him or her live in exchange. Either way, a coward and a traitor. Begone to huffington post!
Pamela created no such ‘hateful and shameful group’. What is truly hateful and shameful is people like you, who would stand idly by whilst countless thousands of Christians, Jews Yizidi’s, Kurds, atheists, other religious adherents and even Muslims, suffer and die because of the religious and political invocation of Islam across the globe.
Pamela Geller is attempting to hold uphold the Western value of free speech, which entitles all individuals to protection and safety, under the law, to express ideas or criticism of ideas, or systems of thought, without fear of retribution.
While others cowered after the Charlie Hebdo attack, Pamela and all those brave people who either contributed too or attended the exhibition, chose instead to stand up for the rights of ALL of us to speak our minds freely, without fear.
What on earth are you doing? You are sadly mistaken if you have fallen for the propagandist assertion that our opposition to Islam is a matter of racial vilification or hatred.
I dare you to take you irrational and unhinged logic to the following people:
– the 600 Yazidi’s who were recently murdered by devout Muslims (in keeping with the teachings of Islam)
– the 12 Christians who were hurled overboard by Muslim assylum seekers, who drowned them at sea because they were enraged at them for praying to G-d for safety, whilst their boat threatened to sink in the mediteranean sea (in keeping with the teachings of Islam)
– the 21 Coptic Christians who were recently beheaded (in keeping with the teachings of Islam)
– the family members of the same Copts who had their church burnt down, by Muslims (in keeping with the teachings of Islam)
– the 30 young Muslim ‘apostates’ who were recently shot and beheaded (in keeping with the teachings of Islam)
– the numerous homosexuals who have been thrown from roof tops and further stoned to death’ if they survived the fall (in keeping with the teachings of Islam)
– the young Muslim women who suffer FGM (in keeping with the teachings of Islam)
– the other young Muslima’s who are beaten, raped, tortured, burnt, disfigured and otherwise controlled within an inch of their life, with no choice to go to school or experience the joyful freedom to love whom they want to love or marry whom they want to marry (in keeping with the teachings of Islam)
– the Muslim women who can be divorced by the repetition of the statement ‘I divorce you’ three times and be stripped of all property rights, parental rights and financial security and further left, without any protection because Sharia marriage and divorce is not compatible with Western law (because of the lack of gender equality under Sharia)
– the Christian’s in Pakistan who work as slaves for Muslim Kiln owners, who use their Islamic Sharia law to justify slavery, horrific conditions, the administration of punishment and even the burning to death of their workers, in the kilns (in keeping with the teachings of Islam)
– the 1800 victims of the Pakistani Muslim pedophile rape gang in Rotherham, UK, who groomed, sold and raped vulnerable young women, over a 10 year period, whilst social workers, Child protective Services and the police were told, by cruel left-wing leaders and politicians to look away (shhh we can’t say their Muslim and we definitely cannot say that the religion of Islam justifies these crimes) (in keeping with the teachings of Islam)
This list is but a smattering of the horror real people are facing daily, under the lash of Islam, and you want to argue that free speech advocates are what????
I AM UTTERLY OUTRAGED BY YOU MADAM – YOU ARE SIMPLY AN INHUMANE AND DEPRAVED CREATURE TO TARGET THOSE WHO WOULD SAVE YOUR SOFT, WESTERN NECK FROM THE SWORD OF ISLAM.
I challenge you to go and ask any real victim of Islam if they want you to be in their corner or Pamela Geller and I guarantee the answer would NOT BE YOU!
You are either poorly informed, deliberately ignorant or just another person who has no idea – either way GET A GRIP!
Hat tip to you IronMaiden, well said.
Why thank you sir! It appears I’ve also inadvertantly upvoted myself – oops
Don’t make a habit of it. 😉
Amen sister!
Great response!
Nicely said!
You’re a dhimmi kugel, pay the jizya and be still.
Typical. All you can do kugelmum is try to blame the victims and ignore the fact that two jihadists would have cheerfully massacred 100+ people if they had been allowed to do so. People like you lack the moral compass necessary for social survival. You might as well convert to Islam now if you’re so cowardly that you’re willing to surrender to anyone who threatens savage brutality.
He don’t have to convert , he’s already a muslum.
Yep. The pig knows all and see all.
Normal Pigs are superior.
True. Some can even fly.
And swim either.
True.
Re-true.
If someone had a porno Jesus festival, liberals would fund it with taxpayer dollars and call it great art, just like they did when Andres Serrano exhibited his work.
We are eighteen trillion in debt. We need to get the government out of the business of funding private organizations and individuals.
No kidding.
Being frightened into giving up your freedom of speech, (the first freedom islam attacks as it sets its sights on many more,) is as shameful and hateful as sub-humans such as yourself gets.
AMEN, Brother. To Hell with the COWARDS!
I thought “decent americans” supported the freedom of speech? Or is the respect of a fanatical group more important than the first amendment???
I will quote Voltaire : “I do not support your views, but I will fight to the death for your right to express it”. That sounds more american than what you just said.
Wow, I thought Patrick Henry said “I may not agree with what you have to say, but I defend to the death your right to say it.” Maybe he was inspired by Voltaire.
Well since you mentioned it, I felt compelled to check (as we often quote him here) and it is not clear when Voltaire said it, so who knows…
Here is what I found: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evelyn_Beatrice_Hall
Exactly, thank you.
Well, I sure am glad I found this website, it is quite an eye opener about the level of awareness in the US on this issue (I did not know Pamela Geller).
Political correctness has taken a huge grip (or toll) on political dialogue in France. Ever since the 90s, some think -tanks have redrafted the political orientation of the country at large, and also gave new strategic orientations to the socialist party, they decided that targeting blue collar workers as their main electoral base was no longer necessary and that they should shift towards “young immigrants” (which in France means muslims, we have other minorities coming from asia but they are traditionally hard working and successful in France, hence we never hear about them). Those think-tanks also redefined the definition of racism, as it now includes “discrimination against a religion”, this was taylor made for the muslim group (I wouldn’t even call them a minority anymore) and we should have refused that definition (I do not like islam for what it stands for, as an ideology, nothing racist in that!). Many subjects have become taboos, and by criticizing islam, you risk more and more being branded a racist. We have a brilliant journalist here (Zemmour) talking about that, he has taken so much flak (political establishment has a hard time with him but he is approved by a large majority of people)… I have seen this country being turned around so much, I hardly believe we can change the course. Our politicians are always following an “appeasement” attitude towards muslims (as if there was a need for that – I have read many article in the US press describing them as an oppressed minority, which is plain insane), they are just heading straight into the wall. Police working in sensitive suburbs are instructed to turn a blind eye to what they see, their instruction are “not to cause riots”. I could talk for hours about what I know, sorry about the rant…
Don’t even dare mentioning Christianity in this instance! We Christians have been offended for years by many so-called “art” exhibits and events insulting our faith. We never heard a peep from you “decent” lay people, who have no qualm about attacks on our – or any other – religion on the face of the earth under the guise of the freedom of speech – EXCEPT islam (which, actually is not even a religion but a totalitarian ideology). No act of violence on our part could be used as an excuse for these attacks, and as civilized people, we never threatened the perpetrators or reacted violently against them either.
And now, after having witnessed the islamists plunge the West and the Middle East into a blood bath you have the audacity to protest in their favor because a group of courageous people has shown that freedom of speech applies to everyone in our land? You have the audacity to militate in their behalf and to insult those who defend the Judeo-Christian civilization in which you are privileged to live? This is too disgusting for words, you make me sick!
This is war. A war to determine weather Americans will live under the US constitution or under sharia law. And Pamela Geller and Robert Spenser are two of our greatest warriors. But America is full of warriors and we will never submit to sharia law.
“Porno Jesus festival”? And? It would be non of my business if you were to go ahead and have your event. Why does that impede or hinder MY right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness?
If you are against provocative words and actions then why are you throwing out something that would be offensive to Christians?
Hypocrisy me thinks.
What horsepucky. Those who kill are the ones who are endangering people, not those who express their opinions using the pen. You are a dhimmi coward and you are the one who should be ashamed.
When I can ride a Harley down the main drag in Jeddah wearing shorts and a tank top, unaccompanied by a male relative, passing out bibles, stars of David, and/or gay poon, then you can lecture me that we have to accept these islamofascists in our country.
Nicely said!!
If someone had a “porno Jesus festival” and had the proper permits, etc. I sincerely doubt that anyone who protested would move beyond the verbal. Most Christians “turn the other cheek”. That doesn’t mean cowering, it means ignoring.
Did you object to “Pi$$ Christ” when that was on display?
No? Then STFU, troll.
“Imagine if someone has a porno Jesus festival”, I agree there will be a lot of upset Christians but the organizers will still be able to hold it and walk away afterwards. What is your opinion of the artist Andres Serrano and his Piss Christ art work? Is that not insulting to Christians? Having looked at his site I have been unable to determine whether he needs 24/7 armed guard to ensure his safety from all those offended Christians, but somehow I doubt it.
Why is it that all high profile critics of Islam need 24/7 armed guards, especially here in Europe. I am not sure about the US at the moment
If you think that the draw Mohammed exhibition is Islamophobic and and insult to the US maybe you should read the following link –
http://www.libertiesalliance.org/2013/09/22/problematic-definition-islamophobia/
Hopefully after reading this article on Islamophobia might just change your mind but somehow I doubt it.
I ADMIRE MS GELLER’S COURAGE!
Keep safe Pam! You are still needed for many more years to come!
Don’t forget Robert Spencer, Geert Wilders and Bosch … sorry Bosch, I forget your surname.
All 4 were on the dais tonight.
Theo Van Gogh as well.
Yes let us not forget
Someday, once the war is won, we must build a monument to heroes of the anti-islamofascist movement who lost their lives in the fight.
Fawstin! Bosch Fawstin!!!
Super anti-terrorist strikes again. . Read his comics.
Me too but they should put some Pigs at the entrance next time, this is a good talisman against jihadists.
It work.
The interview was on BBC this morning (The BBC World Service
(Interesting treatment of this on the BBC Breakfast programme).
The person interviewed was a student called Steven
Perkins who was leaving the event. The interviewer for the BBC was Alan Kasujja who joined the BBC in September 2012 and had previously hosted Capital Radio’s Big Breakfast in Kampala and Who Wants to be a Millionaire? On Ugandan
Television
Steven Perkins has just described for the BBC what he saw as
he was leaving in his car. Then the questioning took on a kind of accusatory
form on the part of Kasujja. This put Steven Perkins rightly and clearly on his
guard…So we enter the interview as Steven Perkins asks Kasujja to repeat a
question:
Sorry?
Alan Kasujja: Were you taking part in it?
I was not taking part. I was just going there to see what it
was about. I just learned about it this morning. And so I wanted to go there
and just see what was going on
Alan Kasujja: And the event itself has been variously
described as controversial. Do you agree?
I wouldn’t necessarily agree with that. I think there were
obviously some things that some people would take issue…that were said but for
the most part the event was simply a show piece and then a speech from some
people and then a speech from the cartoons artist.
Alan Kasujja: Was it trying to make a statement of some sort?
What was the purpose of it?
The theme of the event was freedom of expression and freedom
of speech. Trying to kind of speak about why freedom of expression is so
important in the wake of attacks in France.That was mentioned heavily
throughout the event and so I would say the main purpose of the event was talk
about the importance of freedom of expression.
And therefore freedom of the press and cartoonists.
Kasujja then thanked the student.
One thing that struck me
was that Kasujja was clearly giving very little information (as a journalist
should) about the actual event itself. The names of those involved were not
mentioned once. It was just some mysterious event somewhere in Texas. This is
of course BBC censorship of the rich tapestry of the living reality of politics
in 2015. I also think it is very interesting the kind of criteria that BBC uses
in recruiting its journalists. Look at his working record…Kasujja goes from “Who
wants to be a Millionaire?” onto the most explosive radio show in the world –
the BBC World Service with branches everywhere. Another person there interests
me. She is Nuala McGovern. Nuala is a lady who I would say would be at home in
the local crochet class in Ballyjamesduff. Perhaps Nuala’s family back home in
small town Ireland think it is great she has reached such dizzying heights as the
BBC World Service. But it ain’t journalism.
Islam doesn’t understand art for the sake of expression; or the sake of art.
God bless you Miss Pamela. now we know where Islamic Jihadist are hiding in plain sight. everywhere!
Wow poor jihadist had to hear a police woman say she just made her first arrest. Oh, and he made it out of prison or jail not only alive but probably in better shape than he went in, and free to tweet all he wants. What about people imprisoned by jihadists who get their necks sawed, get raped, or get sold into slavery, or who get lashes for tweeting?
They can’t stand it when women have power over them. Their little halal weenies just shrivel up…
When will we learn? When will they learn that this our country and that we cherish our freedom of speech? We will keep our freedom, with or without having Muslims around.
I like without.
I would tend to agree with you. Freedom is better plain.
Yes, better draw a line in the sand, and don’t let what is happening to France happen to America (already too late in France….).
I pray the Front Nacionale gets elected in France and changes that!
Well, there are very little chances that the FN would get elected, the media are slamming down continuously on them, anything they do – albeit insignificant – is reported and blown out of proportion.
What the FN is standing for now is basically just the respect of the Rule of Law, but the “politically correct” here has gotten way out of hand.
“Well, there are very little chances that the FN would get elected”
Perhaps at the moment but they are gaining in popularity. Since France is going to have a violent civil war sure as the sun rises, it seems they will eventually be elected.
All of you in France need to realize as we have in America that the mainstream media is the enemy! They must be disproved and shouted down like what we have done in America! #VivaLaFreedom
Mouthpiece of the enemy. Take with a 1/2 ton of salt.
Perhaps people will learn the major media is a huge bribery operation and and part of an ugly agenda.
Voltaire already said it….
Vive Marine Le Pen!
Mohamedan terrorist agenda yet again uncovered. Great victory for Pamela Geller and all freedom-loving people. To show my support I will burn a quran and put in on youtube. I urge everyone to take their part and mock and deride everything that is sacred for moslems and sets them off. People can’t deny any longer that enemy is not at the gates, enemy crossed the gates and is murdering people as we speak and turning away from it won’t make them disappear. Destroy mohammedan death cult If you love your children.
To show my support I will make a donation to Pamela.
@Hyena you’re an ignorant , you must go to hell …how dare you to talk about other’s religion
@Hyena ..you are son of bitch who knows nothing about Islam and just keep barking , get sense and get out from here how dare you bitches to make cartoons of Muslim’s Holly Prophet(Peace Be Upon Him) who is a Master of all Holly prophets of all religions.Freedom of speech does’t mean if you ignorant people will start to get involve in spreading haterance in minorities in fact you are ruining their basic rights on that way how could you call yourself a democratic nation who don’t have even little respect for Muslims.Stop blaming on whole nation of Muslims.Terrorists have no religion as no religion allowed their followers to kill others in fact if you will get study of Holly Quraan you will get hole facts about Islam.And we are protectors of our Holly prophet (Peace Be Upon Him) who was a great symbol of peace & brotherhood of all mankind.I request to US government to stop publishing those unappropriated material against Islam which always leads people in to emotional war and Islam always gives lesson of peace & brotherhood so if one of Muslim leader could deported from US territory just because he was involved in haterance speeches against US top leaders then nobody in US should given rights to spread haterance by publishing unappropriated cartoons of Muslim’s Almighty Prophet(Peace Be Upon Him) which leads to massive war.Being Minority Muslims must be given equal rights if US is a real democratic state.Or God is more powerful and knows best how to protect His beloved Prophet’s teaching ( Peace Be Upon Him) and all those who are involved in spreading haterance by burning up Holly Quraans ( Nauzu Billah) will send to Hell very soon Insha Allah.
What is it that you don’t get, moslem? I piss on your false prophet, actually an insane pedophile murderer and your quran. You moslems belong in the dumpster of history. People are awakening to see your death cult for what it really is – a supremacist ideology that spreads terror. People start to see that you serve satan, that your false god is actually the satan himself. Your calls for tolerance will be met with the same understanding and consideration that moslems show to kaffirs. The mocking will not end and the campaign against you will continue until you leave – permanently. We will not rest until places like Judea and Samaria, Temple Hill and COnstantinople is free from filthy moslem paws. Your time is up, time to die.
I am french, as were all my ancestors, I think my country is a goner… Don’t be naive, and don’t let that happen to America.
We won’t. Immigrate here or to Israel. We need clear eyed people like you.
The problem is, San, for one reason or the other, the USA doesn’t want highly educated (post doc for wife and me), no criminal records, with lots of money saved and no debts; there’s no way for Dutch people (or any other from Western-Europe, for that matter) to get into the USA permanently without loads of bullshit as in having to found a company and hire US people in it. It seems the USA prefers to invite nett-losers instead of nett-winners. A shame, I always wanted to visit NYC (the place our ancestors so stupidly traded — otherwise the whole world would be speaking Dutch now 🙂 🙂 :-)). Joke aside: none over in Europe understand why we aren’t allowed to come live in the USA if we take money and education with us, yet so many non-European people, who will never contribute to your country at all, are welcomed with open arms.
Yes, that is an issue here in the US, for sure. Frankly, I think it’s all about politics here. If this country can be overwhelmed with “immigrants” who come from countries where the government is more than prominent, they will likely vote Democrat, which means more people on government assistance, etc, which means a more powerful Democrat party. Also, it’s a way to do in our whole country, by overwhelming the system. I truly think that is what our current president wants – but that’s for another discussion.
And I should clarify – so many of those immigrants who are being brought here by the thousands are unskilled, uneducated, have to live on government handouts. That sort of thing.
I think you might be right, Cate: the socialistic crap is the same in Europe, where we suffer too. Still, I wonder if the US people even know about this situation. I mean, you all are complaining about the import of nett-losers into your country – and you are right to do so – but do the people in the bars and restaurants, on the streets and in the factories, even know your gov is effectively making it impossible for Western-Europeans to get in? Or do they think we don’t want to? Because there are many people who hate Europe by now and would love a place in your huge country. And then we bring our own money to buy it, we come pay tax instead of living of other people’s taxes, and we’re from the same cultural background (heck, ‘Harlem’ is even named after Haarlem, a town in The Netherlands, as Wallstreet got it’s name from a certain world famous district in The Netherlands too :-)). Me? I would be a happy man if your gov allowed me to buy a nice house, and stay in it, and pay taxes. I bet US people have no clue about that your gov is actually blocking civilization and money at the gates.
I migrated from Canada in 1972
It took a hernia. The U.S. has quotas for every country. The purpose was to ensure that the U.S. does not become an extension of the EU. They want to be the melting pot of all ethnicities.
I got in because I had an employer say he couldn’t find an American to do the job.
That is true . The border is only open to the under educated who will vote for a free phone until they are here long enough to realize they were used and then they are kicked to the curb in exchange for the next group. And so it has gone on for many years. So no, educated people would not be the Democrat parties first choice.
Trust me, the real patriots in America are fighting them tooth and nail!
Leclem, you didn’t read my satire: http://www.examplesofglobalization.com/2015/01/pro-zionist-charlie-hebdo-receives-what.html
Just did Gary,
Since you brought up zionism, I’d like to point out something that has been very important to french society and that is essential to understanding the french psyche. For a long time now (and in spite of many well known historical situations – Dreyfus affairs and the like) french society has considered jewish people as french people first and then as jews second*. Having jewish people leaving or being buried in Israel is a new an unsettling phenomenon, it is the second hand effect of having allowed “communities building up” (including those that are profoundly antisemitic) and destroying our past model of french republic style melting pot. Having this community leaving now is very unsettling.
* As an example, when colonizing Algeria in the 19th century, it was granted “departmental” status, just as on the mainland. Committees met to decide how to handle the indigenous population and from that the Cremieux Edict came out, it granted full french citizenship to local jews (who had been there for centuries by the way) who were deemed to totally mix with the french laws, whereas it was not granted to muslim population (it was deemed that their religion was ultimately incompatible with the laws of the Republic, they could however apply if they relinquished islam…
Sounds like a good rule. Truly Islam is incompatible with all the values we hold dear in the West.
It brews down to one concept, for example even the new testament states “”give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar, and give to God what belongs to God.”
Western democracies have for a long time made a distinction between what is religious, and what is meant to rule à society (hence the french “secularism” which strives to separate the 2). But this concept does not exist in Islam where religious laws are meant to govern societies, that is the core of the problem.
Most Muslims live under existing law. so do most Mormons, but not all.
Islam is incompatible with the US Constitution. Period.
And it never can be…..
Not true. There are many peaceful Muslims, Sandra.
They are not my concern. If Pamela Geller cannot organize an art exhibit criticizing Islam without receiving death threats and losers showing up to attack the participants, something stinks.
You should read the Koran cover to cover. If you the its adherents are “moderate” you are delusional. It is 2015. Misogyny should be dead or if it rears its ugly head, slaughtered. Any bitch that wears the slave rag in my country is my mortal enemy.
Charlie Hevbdo threw the Jews under the bus to promote Zionism and relocation to Israel.
And Gary just likes to throw the Jews under the bus at any chance he can get.
That’s selective rubbish…. The Vichy French [ 2/3 French Population and land mass] were NOT occupied or run by Nazis/Gestapo. yet the French gendarme exported the Jews enmasse to the concentration camps at the behest of their German masters…France has been whitewashing these facts for over 70 years in a bid to re write their culpability and ingrained antisemitism.
Oh Wow, 7 lines, so many inacuries, so many misconceptions, I do not know where to start…
“The Vichy French [ 2/3 French Population and land mass] were NOT occupied or run by Nazis/Gestapo.”
I do not know where you got that 2/3 figure (???); it is more 50/50 in regards to landmass, and even less in regards to population as the north is more densely populated than the south (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zone_libre) but that’s not relevant anyway, let’s carry on….
“The Vichy French [ 2/3 French Population and land mass] were NOT occupied or run by Nazis/Gestapo. yet the French gendarme exported the Jews enmasse to the concentration camps at the behest of their German masters..”
Ab-so-lu-te-ly not, there was much collaboration and willingness to assist from part of the police, and that is a huge stain on french History, noone denies it, but that happened in the occupied part, this never happened in the southern free part – ever (although it was ruled by a puppet antisemitic government). The free part was occupied in November 42 after “Operation Torch” (allies landing in northern africa) as a punishment for the french having let the allies come in. After that, when the german took over in the free part, jewish people were also hunted there. The Petain government applied antisemitic laws but never deported jewish people as long as it was not occupied.
PLEASE NOTE – I am not denying french guilt – but you have to be accurate when trying to play the blame game.
I’d like you to research the survival rates for jewish people in European occupied countries (I could give them to you but that would not help – you will only believe those you find), but what the heck, France has had a 80% survival rate for jewish people, the second highest survival rate in Europe (after Denmark).
French antisemitism? Of course there was, and it is a disgrace, but (unfortunately) not more than the rest of the world. A frenchman of russian-jewish ascent once told that anecdot about his ancestor : When he heard about the Dreyfus affair (1894), he commented “What? A country where the population is split? 50% standing up for a jew and 50 % against him? Sounds like paradise! I want to move there!” and he did…
I will also advise you to google the “Cremieux edict”, which gave full french citizenship to Algerian jews in the 19th century.
“France has been whitewashing these facts for over 70 years in a bid to re write their culpability and ingrained antisemitism.”
Once again, you are so wrong, France never denied it, France prosecuted its collaborators, tried them, and in many cases they received the death penalty. Petain himself finished his life in jail, he just escaped the firing squad by pleading senility during his years in power…
France never whitewashed what happened, quite the contrary. De Gaulle managed to have himself recognized by the allies as the “official French government”, and as such managed to get a stainless record for the “french governement”, that was quite a stretch, but he pulled it off with the allies’recognition; we never said that french people did not collaborate and willingly participate, but we managed to say that the “baddies” did not represent the french governement.
That even changed at the end of the 90s, Chirac then president admitted officially that “the french government had been guilty of collaborating and handing out jews”, he made a public and official recognition statement about it. This was a shocker to many people because he broke with the tradition (of his political party) to deny that either occupied France or the puppet Vichy part represented in any way the french governement.
I hope you can realize how far off the mark you could be in stating that “there has been a whitewashing for 70 years”…
Last but not least, young generation are barelly taught about history, they know that french people handed out jews, but barely know that we were occupied… I am very upset with living in a country that has taken self chastising as a modus operandi, in saying that, I am quoting M. Zemmour, a french journalist who would be more eloquent than me in stating all I just said above. By the way, Eric Zemmour is a french jewish person.
I’ll accept your apologies.
PS: now antisemitism is back, but it has no connection with the “traditional” french antisemitism that happened in the past centuries, I refuse to consider that in 2015 we can say “french people are antisemitic” just because muslims are acting up, to me, they do not represent french people (and they do not consider themself french anyway, even though they were born here and hold french citizenship, they still talk about “the french” as an outside group; that was quite noticeable during the january shootings when terrorist left statements peppered with “you the french”).
Anyway, my point was, teachers were telling me that in classrooms where there were a lot of muslim students, teaching about the Shoah was becoming increasingly impossible…
Oh wow, 4 sentences, so many misconceptions and so many misunderstandings…
“That’s selective rubbish…”
Well, let’s see point by point:
“The Vichy French [ 2/3 French Population and land mass)” – I do not know where you got those figures, it was about 50/50 for landmass, and probably even less for population as the occupied north has greater demographics, but that is not to the point…
“the Vichy French [ 2/3 French Population and land mass] were NOT occupied or run by Nazis/Gestapo. yet the French gendarme exported the Jews enmasse to the concentration camps at the behest of their German masters.” Wrong again, the Vichy puppet state enforced an antisemitic policy (job bans etc…) but never ever ever deported the jewish population. This happened in the occupied part, albeit with the disturbing willing cooperation of some antisemitic police elements. That alone is a huge stain on french history, but at least, it did not happen in the un-occupied part. The so called free zone was occupied in november 1942, following the allied landing in North Africa, at that point, deportation from there started.
“France has been whitewashing these facts for over 70 years in a bid to re write their culpability”; never ever, those facts are well known and have been publicly decried for 70 years. Prosecutions of collaborators with public trials leading to the death penalty were carried out since the liberation. De Gaulle managed however to have himself recognized by the allies as thee official government, therefore, he managed to obtain official recognition of a stainless record for the french governement, however, this did not prevent pointing out the faults in collaboration. At the end of the 90s, Chirac officially assumed the guilt “of the french governement” in this matter during a public and official annoucement. This was much decried as it took a different path from the historical one which considered that De Gaulle only – represented a french governement.
So much for the “whitewashing”.
As far as “whitewashing”, french collaboration is studied as nauseam in school.
In regards to “ingrained antisemitism”, I beg to differ. Although it has existed in France for centuries (unfortunatelly) it was only a version of what existed in Europe at the time, and may be even in a milder form.
In regards to WW2, the survival rate of jews in France was 80%, the second highest in occupied europe (second to Denmark).
I advise you to google, those facts and the Cremieux edict.
I’ll accept your apologies(I will also upvote myself as you seemed to have done it in your message 😉
I notice I have replied twice to you with very factual points (admitting guilt where it is due) while correcting your gross mistakes. My comments (although they respect the rules of this site) have been removed, if that was on your behlaf you should be ashamed.
History is a science based on facts, not a vague recollection of exchanges you might have had at a diner table or other place.
To whomever is removing my answers, please remove as well the post above I attempt to answer to.
She makes fallacious statements – I answer them – if my answers are not deemed acceptable, then her false statement are not either.
Well, why are my answers removed? History is a science, it is based on facts, sorry you have a hard time with that.
And here comes Gary spamming this site because he can not get anyone to go to his sight on their own.
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Dear brother Don’t Give permanent citizenship to immigrants from other countries,let your government give Temporary citizenship max for 10-15 years and let them leave your country after expiration…..If you continue to Give Permanent citizenship on one day you will become minority in your home land ….now present French population and birth equation is 4 French Family=one muslim family
Yes, but that is not my choice, most people arriving here are either undocumented or arrive under tourist visa then stay… Also, many arrive under “political asylum” pretense, it usually takes about 2 to 3 years to process such claim (meanwhile, they are eligible for a monthly stipend of around 800Eur, free medical care, often free housing). The Government accounting office recently found out that once their claim is rejected (which is more often than not the case) and that they are not supposed to stay, less than 1% of them actually leave (that’s right, that is the official figure…). So wether we give permanent residency or not, they stay anyway…
But you can’t sit Idle … great leaders emerge from great circumstances ,who suffered on ground leve…
I do my best, but here in France, you are very quickly branded a “racist/fascist” for raising some simple points.
Even the great leaders that emerged after WW2 to restore democracy here would be called that nowadays. The country is riddled with contradictions and heading straight into the wall.
Vous etes déja dans le mur, je crois.
quand on veut, on peut
Je veux souvent mais souvent il se passe rien,lol
In France since January, everybody “has been Charlie”. Yet, in effect, everything has been going one way, in the spirit of “appeasement”.
I haven’t since a single caricature of mohamed since, and the muslims have requested to have twice as many mosques built as before.
Who won?…
Pamela, you are the coolest! You have brought the threat out in the open. Let’s see what the media and government say now about Islam.
Prominent Muslims need to condemn this without the usual “buts.” I’m sick of hearing “that this was wrong, but…”
There is always a justification in Islam allowing rape, pillaging and plundering.
Stop wasting your time in such hoping.
Just watching dutch TV news because brave Wilders was there,they say it was an anti muslim rally .On the same day the Netherlands remembers its freedom from five years of fascism (thanks in part to America ) they still don’t see the threat once more looming in their midst.
There will be many Dutch blaming the victims. There are so many Kugelmums everywhere in the western world, it’s simply frightening. They are more than willing to give up their freedom to appease muslims. All these Dutch will be saying today how much they LOVE their freedom, but at the same time have it taken away from them step by step. It makes no sense celebrating freedom if you are not willing to fight for it.
Thank G-d everyone is ok! Thank you to Pam Geller, Geert Wilder and Robert Spencer for shining the light on these demons and thank you to the police officers who sent them to he11!
And thank you to all the other courageous people in attendance.
They told us over 20 years ago that they would use our own laws to take America & that’s what they are doing while our own government assist them!!!!
Which is exactly what they did in France.
They want world domination.
Little known fact, the quran sees 2 parts to the world, the “Dar al Islam” (world of islam/world of peace) and the “dar al haarb” (world of chaos). The goal of course, is to end the “chaos” as they see fit (and bring “peace” to the rest of the world, meaning being converted)…
Try “very widely denied” fact …
We know it here.
Yes, 100% is supposed to usher in the peace of ‘Dar-es-Salaam,’ the Islamic House of Peace, at which point there’s supposed to be only peace – everybody’s a Mozlem, madrasses are the only schools, and the Koran’s the only word.
BUT unfortunately, peace is never achieved in these 100% states, (Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, etc.) as the most radical Mozlems intimidate, spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by finding reasons to kill less radical Mozlems.
ISLAM’S A DEATH CULT, AND THAT’S IT.
Exactly, it is quite ironical that muslim countries are so rife with wars and conflicts between themselves…
They didn’t get much assistance from the Garland police. The US constitution was never intended to be a suicide pact. Yesterday they found out that they are not in France anymore.
If Americans do not stand with TX. on this,America is doomed to be taken over by them.
Don’t worry, we are loaded here and can as you see take care of any business that comes before us.
Yes. Now all we need is 49 more states to wake up !!
Exactly! Just look at Deerborn, Michigan!
Ho no,you can;t look there,you could see the truth!! If hussein is so proud of his muzzies why not show Deerborn as a shining example?
Preach it, Brother Warren.
I was in Russia when the shootings happened in France in January. The fact that the culprits were muslims was stated from the start in Russia, while it took several hours for the french media to suggest it….
Pretty sad when the US and EU leadership make Putin’s crew look good.
I am listening to some dihimmi a hole on CNN saying that we should not go out of our way to offend people. the guy is a real moron.
And of course, CAIR will defend the terrorists.
CAIR already defended at least one of them several years ago.
Elton Simpson was investigated on terrorism charges in 2010, and CAIR advised people not to cooperate with the FBI’s investigation.
The left wing media here in Toronto have gone in to high spin mode trying to blame Pamela for instigating.
Trump must have some business deals with followers of the pedophile. If we had some real journalists in this country these quislings would be smoked out and exposed.
Looks like we need such exhibitions all over the free world.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00WXIOS64
Flush ’em out, and shoot ’em up.
These muslims will have to either accept things as they are in America, or here’s some advice, get out of our country and go back to yours where everyone is in agreement about your religious practices. Here in America, you don’t tell us what to draw, PERIOD. God bless Texas.
Amen.
Two dead Muslims? Next, please …
They are not in Europe anymore.
Has Hamas-linked CAIR blamed the victim and defended the jihadist like they always do?
I expect they’re already pumping out the press releases now.
Everyone who wants to worship the way you chose needs to join Act For America and fight sharia law.
http://actforamerica.org
Pamela Geller please keep a tight security around you.
Thank you for all you do to defend Freedom.
Sharia Is Light “When will they ever learn?” – NO, Sharia! When will YOU ever learn? Our free speech trumps YOUR comfort. You do not have a right to not be offended!
And Ms. Geller: I and millions of Americans are behind you 100%. Praying for you to stay safe.
The MSM are practically blaming the event leaders for “provocation”. I wonder if the MSM also places the blame on women who get raped who dress “provocatively”?
This event precisely proved why Muslims in general CANNOT be trusted.
Did anyone else also see the reports from Muslim groups stating that they stayed away from the event. Why? Surely this is one place where the left/Islamic alliance would’ve been protesting, but they stayed away? Did they know an attack was more than likely?
“http://www.dallasnews.com/news/community-news/garland-mesquite/headlines/20150427-islam-debate-returns-to-garland-isds-culwell-center-with-muhammad-art-event.ece”
“The Council on American-Islamic Relations does not plan to protest this weekend’s event.
“We are not paying any attention to this at all,” said Ibrahim Hooper, CAIR spokesman. “The thing [Geller] hates most is being ignored.”
Ibrahim Cooper needs to be shipped to ISIS land along with all members of his seditious organization.
Any Muslim who is actually familiar with Islamic ideology would know that the vile ideology of the pedophile prophet Mohammed (Pig Excrement Be Upon Him)) demands blood for harmless blasphemies, and that many devout Muslims would be lusting for the blood of this event’s participants. Specific foreknowledge of the attack was not required for them to avoid the event for their own safety.
Enjoy Hell guy’s !
“Oink” to all Muslims and liberal Islamic violence sympathizers … may you all turn to swine excrement and be washed away in the next Texas thunderstorm. Catfish don’t care what they eat.
Oink. That is a good name for a patriot organizing app.
How can we get people mobilized to fight this scourge? We need plans. We need to organize. Americans for FREEDOM!!!
This is why we have the second amendment you Idiot Liberals !
Draw them all out. Let America see what’s really going on in this country. Antagonize them until they show their ugly hateful faces. They hide under rocks.
I didn’t know our free speech rights were up for debate.
Gee, I wonder what their motive could have been, CNN.
I hope they get her next time!
Get who?
He means Pam!
He/she needs to say it.
You can tell a lot about a “religious” doctrine by the actions of its followers.
The dangerous fact is that Islam is not just a religious doctrine; it is a political, social and legal way of life doctrine and there is nothing in it that allows its followers to separate these doctrines so they are obligated to take the belief as a whole. That makes direct conflict with our Constitutional laws and the individual laws of our states. Though tried and failed in Kansas, there must be some lawmakers in the US states who can craft legislation that will address the parts of Islam and legally separate it into its parts so that the spiritual doctrine is allowed, but the legal, political and civil doctrines are removed so as not to deny any citizen freedom of their spiritual belief. This must be done before Islamists are legally practicing Shari’a law which is in direct confrontation with Constitutional law and state laws.
As far as the criminal acts of attempted murder which occurred in Texas those acts do not stem from rouge elements alone. Those acts are a direct result of the beliefs of followers of Islam.
Yet, there is another consideration in the challenges that Islam creates towards our Constitutionally protected freedom of speech. For instance, Dr. Kamran Riaz, from the Medina Institute in Georgia, says on their website:
“All Muslims living in non-Muslim lands must abide by the law of the land
in which they reside. Muslims are not permitted to break the law in the
land in which they reside. If the Prophet is insulted or mocked by
non-Muslims in non-Muslim lands, Muslim citizens in such lands should
resort to other means, such as political influence, protests, education
of others, etc., in order to combat attacks and satire against the
Prophet.”
Political influence. Protests. Education of others, etc. In order to combat.
And that is important to understand. The 1st Amendment does not require “combat” to prevent someone from offending. Islam does. The 1st Amendment unequivocally states
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of
speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to
assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.”
No law respecting an establishment of religion. We can speak, and if in our speech we are considered disrespectful of another religion, we are protected in that speech.
Thank you to Pam Geller, Geert Wilders, Robert Spencer, and any and all others who do the research and take the time to impart the truth about Islam and the war its adherents are waging across the globe against Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, and others who do not believe nor live as Islamists do.
In closing I will quote from Dr. Kamran Riaz from his website:
“If they feel the law of a given land does not allow them to practice
their religion, then they must no longer reside in that land. With this
understanding, it is important for us to reiterate that Muslims do not
ever condone or justify the use of violence by private citizens in
non-Muslim lands under the banner of protecting the religion or the
Prophet,”
Then, perhaps those who cannot separate their beliefs in such a way as to integrate them into this United States should heed that advice.
How do you know Dr. Kamran isn’t merely lying? After all, the concept of the Dar-al-Harb isn’t a recent phenom.
I believe Dr. Kamran is stating what he believes. It is my opinion that because of Islamic doctrine there is a viable and realistic threat to the United States from those who desire to change it into another Islamic theocracy. I know Islamists have been warring, and continue to make war upon those who do not subscribe to their belief. Make no mistake; they have been warring for centuries and I do not see them stopping because it is ordained in their very belief.
In other words, mainstream Islam.
All mainstream versions of Islam require or allow execution for blasphemy or or apostasy. All view the life of the pedophile prophet Mohammed (Pig Excrement Be Upon Him) as exemplary, despite his violent intolerance and his atrocities.
I hate to be a purveyor of fear but I’m gonna state this anyway.
Please folks look up Beslan Massacre. Be aware.
Protect your own.
The only thing that would have made this better is if they had an open carry even at the same time and place along with all the armed police. Then I wonder if the cowards would’ve had the cajones to come there.
Possibly would have, simply because they are stupid enough to believe that death, with a trip to the Islamic orgy in the sky, is preferable to life.
Waiting for the Obama to call this just a workplace incident. There are no Muslim terrorists. Pass the koolaid.
Try France : this would be classified as “isolated incident” (we’ve had a lot of them in december in France) from an “ill balanced individual”. And better not blame islam, you could get prosecuted for “racism”….
Compliments to the Texans for solving this problem, apparently ‘the Texas way’, btw. Trash like this shouldn’t go into a legal system with lawyers, jails, ‘psychologists’ and stuff like that — all paid for by law abiding tax paying citizens. You chose to attack? Prepare to eat a bullet. I’d love to visit Texas (go find the J.R. Ewing farm :-)), as apparently we think similarly. But, as I said, the USA apparently doesn’t want succesful native Europeans to come live there; the seats apparently are all reserved for boat loads of non-contributors. If that weren’t the case, we’d already live in the USA.
Congratulations, Pamela, for being the Zionist globalist beech that you are. You know God hates Zionism don’t you? Both the True Torah Jews and New Covenant Christians believe that Zionism is a fraud, that Messiah only is authorized to establish the New Zion. So, way to go Pam, putting Israel before America and that Israel being a Phony Zion from the start.
You are way off in the weeds there, pal.
Sorry, I am right. You need to study. http://www.wickedzionism.com/2015/05/pamela-geller-is-wicked-and-racist.html
No, you are way off in the weeds.
I won’t tell you what YOU need to do, only because I am naturally polite, but don’t push me.
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Gary, quit using these boards to promote your anti-Semitic hate site.
Sorry, you are wrong. You need to study a little thing called reality.
Cate, Gary IS the weeds.
What a lot of BS!
Let me translate what Mr. Anderson is REALLY saying:
Congratulations, Pamela, for being the JEW that you are. You know God hates Jews don’t you? Both the New Covenant Christians & I believe that Judaism is a fraud. So, way to go Pam, putting Jews before America and that Israel being a Phony Nation.
You see, Gary is an anti-Semite who uses his “Zionism” concept (a twisted one at that) to hide the fact he hates Jews.
Sorry, I flagged you down by mistake, it’s that toad of Gary Anderson that I meant to vote down.
We need the Monty Python team to do a remake of “Life of Brian” based on Mohammed, could be called Life of Abdullah or something.
Oooh, that’s a GOOD one!!!! Great idea there, Keith. Seriously.
it dose not matter what we think any more it’s what we do,it is at this moment that I say this a minuet sill for all those died for freedom in holland “ho” how people forget and let their freedoms slip away in the name of PC multiculturalism.I sherd a tear for my parents who had to go through the war for us,now I sherd a tear for what happened just to show some cartoons .I will not be silent,I will go on and stand up for freedom of my thoughts and the right to exposes those thoughts to the world.
People like this should be arrested and sent back to the Middle East now!
Arrested and let him go free? That is why this violence happens. Shame on them all for not keeping them in deep dungeons where they can never harm anyone. Perhaps they would come to their senses and avoid eternal hell.
Islam is better than other religions. If you’re against a certain population, do not attack all followers of the religion. I support that you are against terrorism, but making fun of the Prophet Muhammad is a hurtful attack against all Muslim people.. You’re attacking thousands of innocent Muslim people. And if you think that this is freedom, then I have freedom to hate and berate you, Pamela Geller.
Is it dotage that makes you stammer?
Islam is better than other religions. If you’re against a certain population, do not attack all followers of the religion. I support that you are against terrorism, but making fun of the Prophet Muhammad is a hurtful attack against all Muslim people…. You’re attacking thousands of innocent Muslim people. And if you think that this is freedom, then I have freedom to hate and berate you, Pamela Geller.
Islam is a cult. So many rules, so many restrictions, so much violence that argues for its existence.
Funny, in a despicable kind of way, that a god who is supposed to be so strong and mighty needs mere mortal men to do his dirty work against those who “offend” him. You are a pawn. In that, your life is truly shallow.
Right on, I’d like to tell all muslim that I have so much respect for God, that I consider that it is showing Him little respect to believe that you have to attack on His behalf.
😉
As far as islam goes, it is so ridden with restrictions and taboos that it only breeds angry neurotic people…
I once remember when I was in Malaysia, an Australian man showed me a group of young guys from Bahrein, he told “me look at their face, the hanger bottled up. Those guys could be full of sap and life, in their country, the best they can do is have fruit juice from the local joint. Then they see us, having fun, chasing women, drinking, all that is forbidden to them… of course they hate us!”.
Islam is better than other religions. If you’re against a certain population, do not attack all followers of the religion. I support that you are against terrorism, but making fun of the Prophet Muhammad is a hurtful attack against all Muslim people. You’re attacking thousands of innocent Muslim people… And if you think that this is freedom, then I have freedom to hate and berate you, Pamela Geller.
And you know what? Pam Geller would be one of the first people to confirm that you DO have the right to hate her and berate her. It’s your opinion and you are, as long as you live in the United States, free to speak your mind. You will not find that freedom anywhere else on the face of this Earth. So, feel free to use that freedom. We all do. We value it. We would give our lives to keep it. That is what makes this nation strong.
Islam is better than other religions. If you’re against a certain population, do not attack all followers of the religion. I support that you are against terrorism, but making fun of the Prophet Muhammad is a hurtful attack against all Muslim people. You’re attacking thousands of innocent Muslim people…… And if you think that this is freedom, then I have freedom to hate and berate you, Pamela Geller.
No it is not. You read your book yourself? You looked at news somewhere in the last 500 years?
If just making fun of what muslims consider their prophet is hurtful, how much more hurtful it is for us to witness the blood bath in which your proteges have plunged the world for the past 60 years! We are sick and tired of it, to the point of wishing we never heard of that totalitarian ideology that masquerades as a religion, its “prophet” mohamed, the coran and all its darn paraphernalia.
According to the criteria of our Judeo-Christian civilization, we are entitled to defend our lives, our property, our God-given right to freedom of religion, equality and free speech, but not to slash and burn the entire world to subjugate it into a caliphate, as the islamists have been trying to do for the past 14 centuries.
Obviously, these criteria of tolerance and freedom mean nothing to muslims who prefer their own. Fine, but in that case, what are they doing on our turf? They must leave and stay between themselves on their own land. This way they won’t be hurt any more for I promise you, once they make themselves scarce, we won’t care less about their so-called “religion”, its works and its pumps. And we free people won’t be beheaded, tortured, raped, burned and enslaved any more. Everybody will be happy.
By the way, the reason why muhamad is not depicted is to prevent worship of his image – that is forbidden in islam.
So in a way, a non believer who draws a picture of him is more faithful than yourself who gets upset about it : muhamad’s image is not sacred nor did he ever wanted it to be.
You are actually a bad muslim, that’s quite funny.