[ April 17, 2024 ]
The police are looking at dropping the terms “Islamist terrorism” and “jihadis” when describing attacks by those who claim Islam as their motive.
Proposed alternatives include “faith-claimed terrorism”, “terrorists abusing religious motivations” and “adherents of Osama bin Laden’s ideology”.
The reform was requested by a Muslim police organisation that blamed the official use of “Islamist” and “jihadi” for negative perceptions and stereotypes, discrimination and Islamophobia.
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The problem was discussed at an online event last month addressed by Assistant Commissioner Neil Basu, the national head of counterterrorism policing, and attended by more than 70 attack survivors, victims’ relatives, academics, experts and advocacy groups. The police emphasised to The Times that the reform was not certain to go ahead.
“Islamist extremism” is one of the terms alongside “extreme right-wing” and “Northern Ireland-related” used by counterterrorism experts to label attackers according to their ideology.
Atrocities from the London bombings of 2005 to the Westminster, London Bridge and Manchester Arena attacks, all in 2017, have been formally attributed to “Islamist terrorism”.
The 3,000-strong National Association of Muslim Police, whose representative Alexander Gent addressed the meeting, has proposed “a change in culture by moving away from using terms which have a direct link to Islam and jihad. These . . . do not help community relations and public confidence.”
It suggested an Arabic word unrelated to religion: “Irhabi is commonly recognised to mean terrorist within the Middle East and could be used to describe people that hold extremist ideologies.” It said “jihad” should be dropped because the Arabic for “struggle” may refer in Islam to practising faith and good deeds as well as physical struggle “for the purpose of self-defence only”.
Far-right terrorists such as Anders Breivik, who killed 77 people in Norway in 2011, had adopted Christian symbolism such as the crusades “yet terms such as ‘Christianist’ or ‘crusaderist’ are not used to describe them”, it added.
Rizwan Mustafa, a former West Midlands police officer turned lecturer at Huddersfield University, wrote in a briefing paper that Muslims in counter-terrorism were uncomfortable about “Islamism” and “jihadi” as “pejorative and depicting the religion of Islam (their belief) as violent and belligerent”.
He proposed the description “faith-claimed terrorism” and that instead of attributing attacks to Islamic State or al-Qaeda, perpetrators could be identified by their group’s leaders such as Bin Laden. “I would suggest that organisational figureheads are utilised as the point of association,” he wrote.
A Muslim faith leader said after the meeting: “We are asking others to be responsible with how the word Islamism is utilised.”
David Toube, of the counterextremism think tank Quilliam, who attended, told The Times: “People do not like to feel that they are being told only the partial truth . . . there is a serious problem with Islamist terrorism. The use of any term that obscures that fact risks damaging public trust in the police.”
A counterterrorism expert said afterwards that the far right already exploited allegations that police officers pandered to political correctness by ignoring gangs of Pakistani-background men using children for sex in Britain. “It creates ambiguity, that you can’t say this because it’s Muslim,” the expert said. “There will be a lack of trust and confidence in public discourse. You are trying to avoid saying it because it is true.”
Chief Superintendent Nik Adams, the national co-ordinator for the deradicalisation programme Prevent, said that the Counter Terrorism Advisory Network had met because Muslim officers were “concerned that terminology may contribute to the stigmatising of innocent Muslims in the UK”. He added: “[Mr] Basu encouraged honest and open discussion from all sides and did not at any point suggest that terminology was definitely going to change, simply that it was right that we have an evidence-based discussion about it. We have no plans to change the terminology we use at present but welcomed the debate and contributions.
“It’s vital we get our terminology right to define the threat accurately and succinctly but also to avoid alienating communities crucial to our efforts.”
My two cents
- These terms, “Islamist terrorism” and “jihadis”, they mean exactly what they say, and they accurately report the reality of the facts in a way that everyone can understand.
- It’s absolutely true that they “do not help community relations and public trust,” as Gent explained.
- Gent is right. But perhaps should he consider that what really doesn’t help community relations and public confidence are the Islamist attacks themselves, not the way they are described, and that the best way to improve community relations would be no terrorist attacks.
- How many attacks by Jews in the name of Judaism, by Christians in the name of Christianity, did you count in your lifetime? As many as by Muslims in the name of Islam? This seems difficult because apparently, if religious leaders claim that terrorists who commit attacks in the name of Islam have a misunderstanding of Islam, why don’t Jews have a misunderstanding of Judaism and Christians have a misunderstanding of Christianity?
- Rizwan Mustafa proposed the term “terrorism claimed by faith”, which is fine by me, since all attacks claimed by faith are claimed by the Islamic faith, except that it could produce a major drawback: the vagueness of information.
- A Muslim faith leader said: “We are asking others to be responsible with how the word Islamism is utilised.” What it means is that he makes the whole world responsible but the Muslims, and he does not ask Islamists to be responsible for the way they use their references to Islam.
- The terms “Islamist terrorism” and “jihadis” may indeed be imprecise. But in the face of this imprecision, it must be recognized that they have an immense advantage: they clearly indicates the cultural affiliation of the perpetrators of the attacks, and they reflects their will and intention: they say they are acting according to a religious imperative and in accordance with the precepts of Islam.
- When Muslims commit suicide bombings on public transport and leave behind video messages full of religious references, or kill because someone has drawn the prophet, what credibility will the police have if they do as journalists do and avoid any reference to Islam? They will become what the media has become: the professional category in which people have the least confidence.
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69 Comments
3 years ago
So if Muslims within the force are dictating the terminology they’re allowed to use, what else are they dictating?
They are acting as if this mere term threatens them and offends them, but actually, the average Brit cowers in front of and bows to Islam already. They are not threatened or victimised.
These domineering people always continue to play the victim and pretend to be the underdog, even as other people actually live in fear of them.
There is not a lot of light at the end of the tunnel in Britain, we’re forgetting what a sane society ever looked like in the first place.
3 years ago
Reply to
Sewer Maintenance
You know what? I’m sure everyone here thinks that islam is offensive.
3 years ago
Islamic terrorism is prolific and irrational.
The violence is why there’s a bad relationship with muslims, not the label they’re using.
And honestly, all Muslims are here to take over and the most moderate ones want the government to execute unbelievers after they do so the bad relationship with muslims is caused by their belief system even if they don’t use terrorism to achieve the same end.
Also, everything about that belief system is abusive.
No one supports it because you’d have to be brain damaged to see it as positive.
3 years ago
Reply to
Not Me
“No one supports it because you’d have to be brain damaged to see it as positive.”
You haven’t been to Britain have you? Or, hell, you havent even watched American news media. Plenty of brain-damaged people!
3 years ago
Reply to
Not Me
“No one supports it because you’d have to be brain damaged to see it as positive.”
You haven’t been to Britain have you? Or, hell, you havent even watched American news media. Plenty of brain-damaged people!
3 years ago
Reply to
Not Me
Thank you for accurately describing muslum terrorism as what it is rather than using the dishonest neologism “islamist”.
3 years ago
Reply to
MuhamMUDTheFakeProphet
My book arrived this morning.
Can’t wait to get stuck into it????
3 years ago
Reply to
Dave Glynn
It’s a short read from what I remember. Hitler and his generals should’ve read it before Operation Barbarossa. It seems like the Russians could always count on General Winter to save the day — except against the muslum invasion going on today.
3 years ago
Reply to
MuhamMUDTheFakeProphet
I’v been asked to do the stage security with some pals at an event that’s coming up in London on the 1st of August and along with others your much admired Anne Marie Waters will be speaking. I will be sure to let her know that she has a friend called Muhamud in the USA. Tommy Robinson is said to be speaking too though it’s debatable if he’ll turn up.
3 years ago
Reply to
MuhamMUDTheFakeProphet
COVID is helping in a small way, and luckily it is the will of Allah.
3 years ago
Trump Says Democrats Are ‘Physically Afraid’ To Stop Violence By Anarchists
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jul/20/donald-trump-says-democrats-are-physically-afraid-/
“The governor and the mayor, and the senators out there — they’re afraid of these people,” Mr. Trump said. “That’s the reason they don’t want us to help. They’re afraid, I really believe they’re actually maybe even physically afraid of these people.”
Mr. Trump said he acted in Portland only after 51 straight days of civil unrest. “I’m going to do something, that I can tell you, because we’re not going to leave New York and Chicago and Philadelphia, Detroit and Baltimore and all of these [cities] — Oakland is a mess. We’re not going to let this happen in our country — all run by liberal Democrats.” He said federal agents in Portland “really have done a fantastic job in a very short period of time, no problem.”
“They grab them, a lot of people in jail, their leaders. These are anarchists, these are not protesters. These are people that hate our country. And we’re not gonna let it go forward.”
3 years ago
Reply to
DemocracyRules
In my opinion the Democrats WANT violence. Violence and social confusion is their only hope to win the election. Marx = “If in doubt, riot”
3 years ago
Reply to
DemocracyRules
Create violence, then blame Trump. Surely sensible voters can see through this?
3 years ago
The reform was requested by a Muslim police organisation that blamed the official use of “Islamist” and “jihadi” for negative perceptions and stereotypes, discrimination and Islamophobia.
Well, we certainly don’t want to hurt the feelings of MUSLIM terrorists and their supporters.
3 years ago
WTF is an “islamist”? Would the author please point out to me one muslum, one muslum NGO, one muslum state, one muslum terrorist org., one imam, one mullah, one mosque, one ayatrollah who self describes as “islamist”? Or is “islamist” like islamophobia “a word created by fascists and used by cowards to manipulate morons”?
3 years ago
Just call them muslims…means the same as parasitic feral animal criminal!!! All muslims live by their doctrine of hate!
3 years ago
Gee I thought the Brits were so dhimmied out that they did that years ago.
3 years ago
Reply to
WildernessOfMirrors
When was the last time you punched a muzrat out Mr Gobshite???
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3 years ago
Reply to
WildernessOfMirrors
My point being that your just some keyboard wanker spouting shite and things he knows absolutely nothing about. = you Little Mr Gobshite.
3 years ago
Reply to
Dave Glynn
This keyboard wanker, as you call me, has been watching England methodically surrender to the Muslims for the last 20 years at least. It began with the prosecution of Tommy Robinson when he was jailed for saying the truth about the Muslims. It continues when the press doesn’t say who is perpetrating the attacks even though when we all know who it is. it continues when Muslims drive trucks through crowds of people. It continues when former PM Theresa May can’t seem to say the word radical jihadist, just like Obama couldn’t.
You’ve got a piece of crap Muslim mayor in London who seems to like the endless knife attacks against British citizens. You have the a militarized radicalized mosque in Manchester where all of the jihadis seem to come out of. I would check for a weapons cache in the basement. Every mosque around the world is a weapons depot.
It’s not just your wreck of a country. All of Western Europe seems to be surrendering. Maybe you have a death wish. Yet another cathedral in France has gone up in flames. I wonder who it was? Let me go out on a lims here and say the arsonists are from Muslim controlled Marseille, or the big Muslim ghetto, Seine-Saint-Denis, in Paris.
Just don’t call the U.S. for a third time to save your bacon when the Muslims finally take over your government. We have our own problems with Muslims and Leftists in our government.
By the way I looked up the meaning of Gobshite. It says “a person who is mean and lacks judgement”. Let me take a moment to see if I care. OK moment’s over. Don’t care. Fix your damn country…………………lad.
3 years ago
Reply to
WildernessOfMirrors
A Gobshite is simply someone that talks sh1t. There are no other meanings for that word.
And don’t you think I know and understand that list of ills that my country is made to suffer at the stinking hands of muzrat scum but it’s not the British people who are at fault it’s the whole fkn corrupted establishment that are protecting the muz with the full weight of the law. My friend’s and many other groups do what We can to avenge the wrongs and track certain scumbags down and we won’t be beaten by the scum or by our own traitorous establishment.
As for calling on the Americans to save our skin if I remember correctly it was the sinking of the Lusitania that brought the USA into WW1 and the attack on Pearl harbour that got America involved in WW2.
There was help with equipment and ships prior to entry but all these have now been paid for in hard currency.
We never duck a debt.
By the way I’m half American and have no axe to grind.
3 years ago
Reply to
Dave Glynn
If you actually recognize it is your Leftist Government, not the British people, protecting the Muj, then we are on the same side.
As for the Lusitania that was one reason we went to Europe. The other was the Zimmerman telegraph. But the facts remains The Brits and the French would still be fight in the trenches if we hadn’t shown up.
WWII, yes we entered the war in Dec 7 1941. But we had been sending aid for several years before that and losing plenty of men and ships in the process to the U-Boats. Churchill was begging for that aid. FDR came up with Lend lease.
Thank God the RAF bought time and defeated the Luftwaffe after the disaster at Dunkirk.
So I guess my question is why is your Government in the process of committing national suicide for the last few years.
And if Trump loses we will be doing the same.
3 years ago
Reply to
WildernessOfMirrors
It’s not entirely or just the government that’s at fault but the much wider establishment.
The poisonous media including the traitorous leftist leaning BBC and other news agencies. The education system and even the justice system. All are compromised and unfit for use.
Boris understands the muzrat situation as he’s no fool but he’s a politician and plays his cards close to his chest. The 31st of December will be the day when we finally leave the EU and will no longer be under the jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice (ECJ) after that date if he and his cabinet still act the same then his days are numbered. Around a hundred more turd world illegals sailed into Dover again today with the help of the French navy and our own coastal patrol Border Force and instead of sending them straight back they’re taken to hotels at the tax payers expense.
All this must change on the 31st and all the parasites sent back or we are sunk. I know the USA is in a very bad way just now and if the Democrats succeed it will get even worse but I have faith that Trump will win through and another age of great prosperity will begin.
3 years ago
Reply to
Dave Glynn
The Left ruins everything it touches as you well know. It’s been such a long time in coming but I’d almost forgotten about Brexit. All of us on the Right were very happy.
All I can say is, if you are a praying man , pray for Trump.
And “Trump in a landslide 2020. MAGA”.
(So does this mean I am not a “Gobshite or a keyboard wanker”?)
3 years ago
Reply to
WildernessOfMirrors
It’s in my nature when attacked to come out fighting and I myself have been called much worse.
I do pray that Trump wins the day and the following four years will usher a new age of prosperous advancement for both countries as the alternative is just a vision of hell and western civilisation will decline and die.
However not being a pessimist I can’t see that happening.
3 years ago
Reply to
Dave
No problem here We have to be brothers in arms as fate would have it and a few crossed words don’t hurt.
3 years ago
Reply to
Dave Glynn
If only you would run for MP under For Britain’s banner, I’d have to go over there and volunteer to support your campaign.
3 years ago
Reply to
MuhamMUDTheFakeProphet
I will be seeing AMW in London on the 1st August when I’m part of the stage security for her and others appearance that day at a rally against the moslem grooming rape gangs. Tommy is also billed to be speaking.
3 years ago
Reply to
WildernessOfMirrors
The novel, British, armored invention called the tank might have had more to do w/breaking the bloody trench stalemate in WW1 than the US forces on land. It was the British navy that defeated the German navy — all by itself at Jutland. The US was not invited to the surrender ceremony, because literally MILLIONS of Frenchmen, British and British Commonwealth soldiers had died fighting the Germans and Turks.
3 years ago
Reply to
MuhamMUDTheFakeProphet
Love those early tanks and always thought that they look more menacing than any modern tank since then. Supposed to have been horrible to crew them though and many would pass out with the heat and fumes alone that it generated. Terrified the krauts though.
3 years ago
Reply to
WildernessOfMirrors
Yes I want to know why the government is soft on muslims. The same with the EU. Viktor Orban has the right idea! So does China https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/China_hidden_camps
3 years ago
Reply to
Dave
Victor Orban rules in a different type of society and one that is probably a bit like England was in the 1950s prior to mass immigration.
Simpler times simpler choices.
3 years ago
Reply to
Dave
Victor Orban rules in a different type of society and one that is probably a bit like England was in the 1950s prior to mass immigration.
Simpler times simpler choices.
3 years ago
Reply to
Dave Glynn
The war against Imperial JP was nearly an all American affair because British and Commonwealth forces were defeated by the forces of Imperial JP early on.
3 years ago
Reply to
MuhamMUDTheFakeProphet
Oh no’ now your picking on me????
Is it bash a brit day already????
3 years ago
Reply to
Dave Glynn
It’s only the truth. Most British colonies in the Far East were quickly captured by the forces of Imperial Japan (e.g. Singapore, Burma, Hong Kong). Then there’s the disastrous decision of the RN to send the Prince of Wales and Repulse to oppose the IJN sans air cover. Within 24 hours of the Prince of Wales and Repulse arriving to their destination in the Far East the IJN had sent them both to the bottom of the Pacific. The IJN even sent a task force up to the Indian ocean where the commanding admiral of the RN there wisely decided it was time to head for the hills.
3 years ago
Reply to
Dave Glynn
Dave we are all on the same side really! The law and the government are acting against us. Your history lesson is correct. Did you know that George Bush’s grandfather bankrolled Hitler?
3 years ago
Reply to
Dave
I didn’t know that but am sure you could be right. That family seems deeply flawed.
3 years ago
I’m sure they’d love it if “faith-claimed terrorism” became the standard. That way they could make it seem as though other faiths were to blame.
3 years ago
Reply to
bargogx1
Anyone who can read and has an ounce of common sense know full well who commits terrorist acts. It is not Buddhists, Hindus, Taoists, Jews or Christians of various branches. So it matters not what they call it.
3 years ago
Reply to
leonore35
Let’s call a spade a spade (is that racsist?) or a muslim a muslim.
If we hear of one or several people being stabbed, or run over with a car, we know who did it.
3 years ago
Muzratists committing atrocities in the name of Muzratism????
Sounds correct to me.
3 years ago
Muslim murder gangs are simply just that. They can call them what they like they’ll still be same thing.
BLOOD THIRSTY KILLERS OF THE INOCENT!
Islam = death????
3 years ago
islug is A Satanic curse
3 years ago
Why is there even a Moslem Police Association? Is there an Anglican Police Association or a Hindu Police Association? Why are muslims allowed to join the Police service in the first place? According to their own religion they cannot be loyal to a kaffar country nor can they be trusted to defend any citizen except another moslem. The case in America where the Somali policeman shot the Australian woman is a case in point. Thank God most British police do not carry guns.
3 years ago
Reply to
Christopher Watson
But American police carry guns and have the same moslem police assocs etc????
3 years ago
Reply to
Dave Glynn
Just my point: there were 11 people shot dead in Chicago last weekend. In London there were none.
3 years ago
Reply to
Christopher Watson
I’d still value the choice to defend my family with more than a catapult though and after seeing the London police close up and personal on far too many occasions I too don’t particularly want them armed.
3 years ago
Reply to
Christopher Watson
It is criminals doing the shooting, not the millions of law abiding gun owners. In the absence of guns, knives are popular, in the UK
3 years ago
Reply to
Christopher Watson
When guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns. It’s funny but in Fwance, which has strict gun control, the f’ing muslums don’t seem to have many problems getting a hold of firearms and when they use them the only thing gun control guarantees is that their victims won’t be able to fight back (synagogue shooting, Bataclan theater shooting, newspaper shooting).
3 years ago
Reply to
Christopher Watson
there is a Black Police Association in the UK. They must feel their fellow white officers are racist towards them.
3 years ago
The UK was done when they let the first boat load of them in…..
The UK….a once great empire…..now a Islamic stronghold. Sorry, Brits….
3 years ago
Reply to
ladywarrior
Not quite yet it’s not.
Far too many nasty bastards that hate the muzrat scum will not give in without a war.
3 years ago
Reply to
ladywarrior
And I like you and all my American brothers and sisters and we both shall triumph and win through these dark days
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3 years ago
Reply to
Dave Glynn
The 2020 presidential election will be marked by mass Dem0rat voter fraud. If Trump isn’t willing to challenge the fixed election returns this country is doomed.
3 years ago
Reply to
MuhamMUDTheFakeProphet
The USA will live to fight on into a new unprecedented era of success and will never die.
Fear not????????????????????
3 years ago
Reply to
ladywarrior
18 more boatloads just yesterday! Roll on the day when we can legally tow them back to France.
3 years ago
Reply to
Dave
Did you see Active Patriot’s footage on YouTube of today’s scum arriving at Dover?
A true crime.
3 years ago
THEY DON’T RECOGNIZE REALITY IN THE U.K. BUT THEY WILL CONVICT YOU OF HATE CRIMES LEFT UNSAID! THE BRITISH FOLKS WHO RECOGNIZE REALITY SUPPORT BRITAIN FIRST OR THE BRITISH FREEDOM PARTY! GUESS ALL FOLKS WILL HAVE TO PAY ATTENTION TO THEIR PODCASTS TO FIND OUT ABOUT ISLAMIC CRIMES SINCE THE OFFICIAL LAME-STREAM BRITISH NEWS MEDIA WON’T BE TELLING YOU WHERE THE ISLAMICS COMMIT CRIMES! SUPER SUMMER, RIGHTISTS!
3 years ago
Let’s call them muslim terror attacks by members of the religion of ‘peace’. The public will get the irony.
Tell the imams they must get their house in order and stop preaching hatred of the infidel. It is muslims who cause negative stereotypes. Don’t listen to muslim advisers. Tell them what we want!
3 years ago
This is how China deals with the islamic problem: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/China_hidden_camps
