[ April 24, 2024 ]
Here is the story at the Jerusalem Post:
The Russian Foreign Ministry [Sergei Lavrov] said on May 21 that Israeli annexation of parts of the West Bank may lead to an escalation of violence in the region.
“May lead to an escalation of violence”? Yes, that is a possibility. But it could also lead to a de-escalation of violence by the Palestinians. For once it becomes clear to them that Israel will not budge, will assert its legal, moral, and historic claim, as recognized and enshrined in the Mandate for Palestine, to the West Bank, the Palestinians are more likely to relinquish their irredentism and be willing to discuss what they have been offered in the Deal of the Century.
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“Such expansionist moves by Israel may provoke a dangerous wave of violence across the Palestinian territories and de-stabilize the Middle East as a whole,” the ministry’s press office said in a statement.
“The Russian side has warned its Israeli partners about carrying out unilateral plans that do not adhere to the international framework of Middle-Eastern de-escalation.”
Israel’s plans are “unilateral” because the Palestinians have refused every offer made to them, including those by Ehud Barak, offering Arafat 97% of the West Bank and the Old City of Jerusalem, and by Ehud Olmert, offering Mahmoud Abbas 95% of the West Bank and an “internationalization” of the Old City. And now, with Abbas having declared the Oslo Accords and all other agreements with Israel a dead letter, how can Israel be faulted for acting “unilaterally” if the Palestinians refuse even to discuss even the possibility of a future agreement and have ripped up all past ones made with Israel?
According to the ministry, an Israeli annexation of the Jordan Valley and other areas in the West Bank will “undermine the territorial integrity of the West Bank, which is crucial for the sustainability of a future Palestinian states based on the [pre-]1967 borders.”
The annexation or, more exactly, the extension of sovereignty to the Jordan Valley and the Jewish villages and towns (“settlements”) by Israel will help the Jewish state defend itself. It has had to fight three major wars (1948-1949, 1967, 1973) for its survival. It is not only the Israelis who believe that control of the Jordan Valley is essential to their defense. After the Six-Day War, President Johnson had the Joint Chiefs send a military mission to Israel to report on what, in the view of its members, were the territories that Israel would have to retain for its defense. The American military men put first the need for Israel to keep the Jordan Valley.
The Russian reference to a “future Palestinian state based on the [pre-] 1967 borders” misleads. First, it ignores the fact that according to the Mandate for Palestine, all of what is now called the “West Bank” was included in the territory assigned to the fuure Jewish Natironal Home. Second, it ignores U.N. Resolution 242, by which Israel was allowed to keep some of the territories it had won in the Six-Day War. Resolution 242 spoke of “the withdrawal of Israeli armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict”:
The chief drafter of Resolution 242 was Lord Caradon (Hugh M. Foot), the permanent representative of the United Kingdom to the United Nations from 1964-1970. At the time of the Resolution’s discussion and subsequent unanimous passage, and on many occasions since, Lord Caradon always insisted that the phrase “from the territories” quite deliberately did not mean “all the territories,” but merely some of the territories. Here is what he later said about Resolution 242:
Much play has been made of the fact that we didn’t say “the” territories or “all the” territories. But that was deliberate. I myself knew very well the 1967 boundaries and if we had put in the “the” or “all the” that could only have meant that we wished to see the 1967 boundaries perpetuated in the form of a permanent frontier. This I was certainly not prepared to recommend.
On another occasion, to an interviewer from the Journal of Palestine Studies (Spring-Summer 1976), Lord Caradon again insisted on the deliberateness of the wording. He was asked:
The basis for any settlement will be United Nations Security Council Resolution 242, of which you were the architect. Would you say there is a contradiction between the part of the resolution that stresses the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war and that which calls for Israeli withdrawal from “occupied territories,” but not from “the occupied territories”?
Here is his reply:
“I defend the resolution as it stands. What it states, as you know, is first the general principle of inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war. That means that you can’t justify holding onto territory merely because you conquered it. We could have said: well, you go back to the 1967 line. But I know the 1967 line, and it’s a rotten line. You couldn’t have a worse line for a permanent international boundary. It’s where the troops happened to be on a certain night in 1948.[1949] It’s got no relation to the needs of the situation.
“Had we said that you must go back to the 1967 line, which would have resulted if we had specified a retreat from all the occupied territories, we would have been wrong.”
The Russians know all this perfectly well; the Soviet Union voted for Resolution 242. How then can they pretend that it means exacrtly what its chief author, Lord Caradon, says it most emphatically did not mean?
Notice, too, that Lord Caradon says that “you can’t justify holding onto territory merely because you conquered it,” with that “merely” applying to Jordan, but not to Israel, because of the Palestine Mandate’s explicit provisions allocating the territory known now as the “West Bank” to the Jewish state. Note, too, the firmness of his dismissal of the 1967 lines as nothing more than “where the troops happened to be on a certain night in 1948,” that is, nothing more than armistice lines and not internationally recognized borders.
Bad as those armistice lines were, with Jordan occupying large parts of Judea and Samaria, and in 1950 renaming those occupied parts as the “West Bank” in order to efface the Jewish connection to the land, Israel nonetheless still hoped to make peace with its Arab neighbors, and in 1949 it offered to make those armistice lines into permanent borders. The Arab states turned Israel down flat. They wanted everything to remain in a state of impermanence, a sign that the Arabs were not accepting Israel’s existence, no matter how small the Jewish state would be. Besides, following the catastrophe of defeat at the hands of the despised Jews, they were sure that the next assault on the Jewish state, whenever it came, would be successful. They just needed to wait, build up their militaries, and when ready, go in for the kill. That’s what they attempted in-June 1967, with the spectacular results — for Israel — that we all know.
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54 Comments
3 years ago
Russia can’t stop this process. They can’t even threaten Israel with nukes, because Israel has nukes, and nuke subs too. Most local countries implicitly support this annexation process. In a choice between Israel and Iran, they choose Israel, because Israel can win wars:
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Explosion Reported in Iran Near Suspected Missile Site: Satellite Image
https://www.theepochtimes.com/explosion-reported-in-iran-near-suspected-missile-site-satellite-image_3404495.html
“An explosion that rattled Iran’s capital came from an area in its eastern mountains that analysts believe hides an underground tunnel system and missile production sites, satellite photographs showed Saturday… the incident early Friday that sent a massive fireball into the sky near Tehran remains unclear.”
3 years ago
Reply to
DemocracyRules
Putin would do well to think about the saying: “One is known by the company that they keep”. And in his case, his companions are Iran, Syria, Venezuela, North Korea, China and every other commie, socialist dictatorship on the planet. He is such a self righteous, virtue signalling hypocrite.
3 years ago
Reply to
Rivia
“self righteous, virtue signalling hypocrite”
Also a perfect fit to descibe Democ-Ratz…!
3 years ago
Reply to
DemocracyRules
The nuclear capable subs of Israel are littoral, I don’t believe they have the range to sail within launch distance of Russia.
3 years ago
Reply to
DemocracyRules
Since Israel is denied the use of the Suez Canal that would be a long-range cruise to be anywhere near Russia, the shortest cruise would involve sailing all the way up the Western coast of Europe to the Baltic Sea because I doubt Turkey is going to allow Israel shipping through the Bosporus straits or the Dardanelles strait. I believe that’s already more than 4000 miles one way and the range of the dolphin subs is only 8000 miles. Maybe at sea refueling could be employed because I don’t think there’s a single friendly port anywhere in Eurapia that would allow an Israeli warship to dock and take on supplies/fuel. The huge size of the oceans certainly makes nuclear propulsion desirable from a refueling standpoint alone.
3 years ago
Reply to
Steve
So you think Turkey is going to allow an Israeli sub to pass through the Bosporus straits or Dardanelles straits? I think they would seize it or attempt to sink it.
3 years ago
But eastern Poland, Prussia, the Karelia isthmus and part of Romania etc.are all okay as conqueror’s rights eh Vladimir?. Hypocrisy is always common in politics but in the USSR/Russia it is endemic.
3 years ago
Reply to
Michelle
Trump also refutes the NYT “Russia paid Afghans to shoot US troops” story:
3 years ago
Reply to
Michelle
Let us please not forget the illegal annexation of Crimea and the ouster of the Ukraine nationals. And his 2,000 plus Russian military members of his goon squads in Donetsk and Luhansk. Putin is such a duplicitous hypocrite.
3 years ago
Reply to
Rivia
I didn’t ignore it I simply forgot about it and I also missed a few other areas(Kurile islands) grabbed after WW2. It wasn’t intentional as I was in a hurry and I never check before I post anyway. Apologies.
3 years ago
Reply to
Michelle
Please don’t apologize, there is not need to. I didn’t mean it as a constructive criticism at all. I just meant it as a general statement that collectively we should all try to remember all of the atrocities that this dictator is responsible for. He is so phony and duplicitous.
3 years ago
Reply to
Rivia
Atheist tyrants always are except once in total control then they just dictate totally = til then they speak with forked tongue…!
3 years ago
Just russian bluster. The stupid russians even know Israel has the capability to SERIOUSLY hurt their infrastructure, communications, and leadership before the fools had a chance to pick their nose. Some of the most deadly creatures on the planet are quite small.
3 years ago
What annexation??
Oslo agreement:
Area A and area B for Abbas.
Area C (Judea and Samaria) for Israel.
Abbas is doing whatever with areas A and B without answering to any one.
Why can’t Israel took her part??
3 years ago
Israel does not need a second super Gaza.Jordan is the palestinian state. All Muslim who do not tolerate Israel historical right of Judea Samaria should move to Jordan. The more the better. No peace with political Islam until the Messiah will smash it.
3 years ago
Israel is the ONLY conquering nation in history to give back conquered territory for peace and Putin is an absolute hypocrite.
3 years ago
Putin, the dedicated and loyal KGB officer, aspiring to take his place in history as the 21st century Godfather and Czar of Russia. Russians have never been the brightest bulbs in history…
3 years ago
People and cities referenced in Ezekiel 38-39:
Gog = Russian leader
Magog= now called Russia
Persia= now called Iran
Cush = now called Ethiopia and Sudan
Put = now called :Libya and Algeria
Gomer and Beth-togarmah = now called Turkey and Turkic-speaking peoples in Central Asia countries
Read it for yourself and see how it is all slowly coming together.
“Gog” is described as a military leader, a political leader, and a coalition builder. This Gog is going to be from the “land of Magog.” Flavius Josephus, the first century Roman historian, wrote in his famous book, The Antiquities of the Jews, that the people of Magog are the people whom the Greeks called “Scythians”. Scythians were a people group that migrated from the Middle East northward and settled north of the Black Sea and the Caspian Sea in the region we know today as Russia and the former Soviet Republic.
. Ezekiel 38:15 says that Gog “will come from your place out of the remote parts of the north.” Ezekiel 39:2 says Gog will come “from the remotest parts of the north” and come “against the mountains of Israel.” The country that is farthest to the north in relation to Israel is Russia.
In Ezekiel 38:5, the first ally Russia will have is “Persia.” Persia is modern day Iran. Russia and Iran will build an alliance to attack Israel.
Ezekiel states that another country in the alliance will be what many English Bibles translate as “Ethiopia.” The Hebrew word, however, is “Cush” and Cush is the upper Nile region that we know as Sudan. While the current state of Ethiopia may also be involved in the war, the focus is really Sudan, which today, is a radical Islamic Sunni state closely allied with Iran and Russia and deeply anti-Semitic and anti-Israel.
Ezekiel also states a nation called “Put” will be part of the alliance. Josephus identifies “Put” as “ancient Lybios” — the territory that today we call Libya and Algeria. Both countries today are deeply hostile to Israel and closely allied with Russia.
The next country mentioned is “Gomer.” Gomer is present day Turkey. For much of the past 80 years, it didn’t make sense that Turkey would turn against Israel because Turkey is a member of NATO and wants to be part of the European Union. Now most of the EU is anti Israel and so is NATO and the U.N.. The Turkish government has swung dramatically away from the West, towards Russia and Iran, and has become deeply hostile towards Israel.
The next country Ezekiel mentions is “Beth Togarmah.” This is the Turkic-speaking peoples that spread out from Turkey across the Causasus, and across Central Asia. It’s hard to tell which modern nation states from this area will join the anti-Israel alliance, because these are almost all Muslim countries with close links to Russia and Iran.
Egypt is not mentioned by Ezekiel as part of the Russian-Iranian alliance against Israel. This is interesting because Egypt has been a historic enemy of Israel and the Jewish people. That said, maybe Egypt’s non-involvement in the War of Gog and Magog could be explained by the peace treaty Egypt signed with Israel in 1979. This treaty is now in danger of unraveling. Jordon is not happy about what is going on either but is not mentioned.
Iraq — whether under its biblical names of Babel, Babylon, Babylonia, Shinar, or Mesopotamia — isn’t mentioned in the prophecy either, but it is a historic enemy of Israel. Still, given the liberation of Iraq in 2003, the subsequent violence, and the rebuilding now going on, Iraq may not be a threat to Israel in the near term.
Syria and Lebanon are not mentioned by name in prophecy either, however Ezekiel tells us repeatedly that the main military force that will be coming against Israel will be coming from the north, which means they will be coming through Lebanon and Syria. Both countries are very unstable and Russia is involved with both of them.
Notice the U.S., Saudia Arabia, and the UK are not specifically mentioned or alluded to.
Maybe the nitty gritty details don’t matter as much since eventually ALL nations turn against Israel whether they are literally fighting them or not. When that happens it will be stopped by our Messiah. There will be some twists and turns and this is just a general road map, but it certainly looks to be shaping up from what the Bible stated over 2,000 years ago. That is not a coincidence. Still people will continue to deny there is a God and One that is always in control. Israel will win in the end.
Zechariah 12:3
And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people:
all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though
all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.
3 years ago
Reply to
felix1999
Thank you for posting this felix.
So many prophecies have already fulfilled…the proof of God is there for anyone willing to see it, but I believe we are quickly reaching the time when the prophetic focus will shift to Israel and Jerusalem. What is mostly left to fulfill concerns the Jewish nation, and most of that right now, hinges on a friendly America, such as it is under Trump.
The rhetoric coming from the Left towards Israel, is increasingly hostile, and an administration other than what is in place now, will be either unable or unwilling to come to Israel’s aid once her enemies move aggressively against her. Whatever the disruption to America’s status will be, the gates will open, and those final prophecies will begin unfolding.
For the atheist, or any unbeliever, the world appears as though it is falling apart, but for the informed believer, the world is ‘coming together’ as the scriptures foretold it would. If there is someone who doesn’t know God, yet sees the current collapse of things all around, then with wide open eyes, they will face nothing short of horror as even more chaos is still to come.
It is clear that regardless of the origin of this virus, it was let loose by those in a position of power. Reports going back nearly two decades, clearly identified the economic impact of a viable pandemic, and whether it has been used or is as real as claimed, its ‘handling’, from organized confusion to the cessation of the economy worldwide, has created the ‘perfect storm’ for any number of ‘Agenda’ goals. ‘They’ have put this in play and intend to use it not only for their end purposes but along the way, will destroy countless lives in the process. As horrible as it will be, it all must come before the end comes, and the end is coming.
Society has done everything it could to divert eyes away from belief in God, but I truly hope and pray that many eyes will open to the astonishing correlation between the world events of today and how scripture has foretold it all. I challenge any atheist to dispute the entirety of the prophecies and what their placement in scripture means to us.
All someone has to do is pick up a bible, begin reading the Gospels in the New Testament, ask God to reveal the truth, and when belief begins to form, ask Christ for forgiveness and to be one with Him. May many take a step towards Him.
Maranatha, and be well felix
3 years ago
Reply to
James Jones
I hope you check youf DISQUS feed now and then. I just had a bizarre exchange with Ban Islam at this link.
http://b1ff5939f6.nxcli.net/2020/07/godless-party-biden-omits-god-from-the-declaration-of-independence.html/#edit-4983882079
I could hardly believe his hostility.
“I am glad the Muslims are genociding Christians around the world. It’s one less headache for us to deal with it. We’d deal with the Muslims ourselves. I’ve had enough of Christian terrorists.”
You would have to scroll down a few replies to find it. I understand he is an illogical atheist but to come out with that is over the top!
His sheer hatred of God is blinding him. I wonder what disappointment in life caused this. We all have had challenges and disappointments but staying the course, He will later bless you – that has been my experience and I have had some very hurtful betrayals. It’s almost a miracle I turned out semi rational! You just wouldn’t believe it….
Hope you can comment. I’ll check my feed for it. You are a clear thinker and you speak the truth. I don’t mind correction either, so if I am wrong, correct me.
Best regards
3 years ago
Reply to
felix1999
I agree with your findings. I have found him to be way off on many ‘facts’, and very closed minded to critique or questions.
I have repeatedly challenged him on his Christian views as well, all to no avail. He has ignored the stark reality of truth concerning the prophecies and refuses to research them.
I am at the point that I will continue to challenge his posts not so much for his sake anymore, but for the sake of other readers. Any sign of humility is the characteristic I have my eye on…I find it telling if a person has the capacity to listen, and if that shows signs in him, I will gladly look to his interests again.
I agree as well with the “staying the course” in the face of challenges and disappointments. I know its not directly from the scriptures, it is more of a paraphrase, but the “Footprints” poem, illustrating His hand never leaving us, even in the darkest of times…He knows His flock…He knows where we are and what’s in our hearts.
If we love, we will pain as well. Many have cried more tears then we would ever have wanted to, and He has shared in them all, but just as you say, He has lifted us up and not forsaken us. I know in my greatest struggle, it was me who gave up…gave into despair, even when His hand was there. I knew in my spirit that my ‘staying the course’ was vital, yet in foolishness, I turned away His presence and disaster struck, just as He warned. But He never abandoned Me, He carried me for years till He took hold of the scruff of my wool and pulled me back. Hallelujah!
Maranatha felix1999
3 years ago
Reply to
felix1999
Good reminder – which is why the “Body of Christ” (true Church) has always sided with Israel for being clearly seen in the Word in black + white and read all over….!
3 years ago
Almost Every country in the world has told them not to go ahead with the theft of Palestinian land. Time to end just words and boycott Israel until it ends the brutal illegal military occupation.
3 years ago
Reply to
J Cohen
Huh? The land is already owned by Israel.
Is that you Omar pretending to be Jewish?
Yes every country in the world told Trump to not move our embassy to Jerusalem and rightfully declare it the capital and guess what? WW3 didn’t happen either.
Let’s face it, some know their history and have the courage to do what is right and some don’t and cowardly cave to the ignorant masses..
3 years ago
Reply to
J Cohen
No such thing as palestinian land. There is land in Israel owned by Arabs and land owned by many others. The only thing close to palestinian land is Jordan and the PLO f-ed that up in Black September 1970.
3 years ago
The war between Israeli forces and Russians wouldn’t last long. Russians are not very good against people who fight back
3 years ago
Isn’t Gaza the fulfillment of the two-state solution? Because it can hardly be said Israel controls Gaza — not considering the fact more than ten thousand rocket and mortar rounds have been unilaterally fired from Gaza into Israel without cause or provocation or that Gaza is entirely judenrein.
3 years ago
Is Russia willing to attack Israel? Stay tuned.
3 years ago
Reply to
Michael Goldman
President Reagan expected them to in the future based on the Bible. In Ezekiel 38-39, it describes an invasion with an alliance of what is now Russia, Turkey, Iran, Libya and a minor player or two. That combination has not happened yet. It may be lining up today though. It does not end well for them though.
3 years ago
Reply to
Old Phil
Israel has 90 nuclear missles, and I hope they launch every single on of them if the end for them is imminent. There isn’t one country in the middle east worth saving except for Israel.
3 years ago
Reply to
Michael Goldman
But wouldn’t that, in itself, be an evil act which would make everything worse?
3 years ago
Reply to
scutis
That is a matter of opinion. When the world(or part of the world) wants to wipe out your very existence, I do not believe in going quietly. That is my opinion.
3 years ago
Reply to
Michael Goldman
That isn’t a matter of opinion. Launching that many nukes at any moment in time, and especially in current times with how the world is now, would not be good. In that case, it would be validating so negative opinions that have been said about Israel. You are condoning evil.
3 years ago
Reply to
Michael Goldman
N. Africa is nothing but one large muslum cesspool now as well — and it didn’t get that way peacefully.
Whatever Israel has to do to remain free of the islamic yoke is fine by me.
I’d think Armenia, Greece, Cyprus and Israel have common enemies and might want to form a military alliance against that common enemy. A common enemy that would see all of them subjugated to the world’s oldest antisemitic death cult.
3 years ago
Reply to
MuhamMUDTheFakeProphet
I agree. That’s a good idea. Israel isn’t looking to make war unless it is threatened. muslims want to wipe out Israel and can’t stand that it exists.
3 years ago
Of all countries to do that, this takes the cake. Judea and Samaria are a part of the Land of Israel.
Not so, Crimea, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, and Poland!
But out, Putin!
3 years ago
The effeminate Hussein Obama wanted to be “flexible” for Putin. (Did that mean putting his ankles up behind his head ??) Hillary sold Russia 20% of US uranium, which of course is used for nukes.
Yet the democRATS continue to push the Trump/Putin narrative without evidence, which got old almost 4 years ago…..
3 years ago
Reply to
ed
What is our huffing and puffing A.G. Barr doing about that?
Ed, I think I need therapy.
3 years ago
Reply to
felix1999
For me…I was hoping the jury was still out on Barr. But the more time that passes….I’m not so positive as I once was. Especially when it was stated that Obama and Biden weren’t really the focus of the Durham probe. When you connect the dots, the whole sh!tstorm originated from the top, as most of us know or guessed !!
I don’t think you, I, or anyone here on GR needs therapy….I think we need Willy Barr to produce some results !! G-d help us…..
3 years ago
The effeminate Hussein Obama wanted to be “flexible” for Putin. (Did that mean putting his ankles up behind his head ??) Hillary sold Russia 20% of US uranium, which of course is used for nukes.
Yet the democRATS continue to push the Trump/Putin narrative without evidence, which got old almost 4 years ago…..
3 years ago
This follows Putin now stating that the former Soviet Satellites, now Eastern Europe, took with them land that was Russian. And now this. Putin’s ratings are going down in Russia. The real concern is he may make a move to take more of Ukraine. That could very well lead to a serious war. Ukrainians are now well armed, well trained, and combat vets. No they cannot stop the Russians but Russia will pay a very heavy price.
There is a Russian word to describe Putin….залупа…..D#$KHEAD
3 years ago
The misleading tactics of russians: “The KGB’s Middle East Files: Palestinians in the service of Mother Russia” https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4874089,00.html
and “The Soviet-Palestinian Lie” https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/9090/soviet-union-palestinians
(of course there’s a whole lot more deception by russia)
3 years ago
Will Russia lead by example and leave Georgia? Will its assumption of parts of Ukraine be abandoned back to the Ukrainian government, its lawful administration?
When that happens, or when Hell freezes over – whichever comes first – then Russia can criticize all they want. Until then its just hollow words in the wind.
From what I observe, most Arab nations in the region wouldn’t give a raised eye brow any more. The UN? Its now a hoard of useless bureaucrats demanding privilege, mostly controlled by the muslim nations, constantly caught in scandals and outrageous behaviour, trying to tell everyone what they can eat, watch, and and how to behave. Oh yes, it doesn’t even try to hide its antisemitism.
Motion 242 also states a negotiated and agreed upon withdrawal from the “territories”. The “Palestinians” refuse to negotiate and have stated that they refuse to agree to anything. And remember, the UN can only make recommendations; motions mean nothing considering Russia’s and China’s, behaviour and all the little wars of occupation still going on.
3 years ago
The reason Abbas stopped negotiating is because Baяack Hussein obama, with all the delicacy of a bull in a china shop, stuck his big nose in where it didn’t belong and told Israel to go back to the 1948 Armistice lines.
3 years ago
Iran must have something to do with it.
