Miami Imam Dr. Fadi Yousef Kablawi: Christianity Is Responsible For The Looting In America

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Miami Imam Dr. Fadi Yousef Kablawi: Christianity Is Responsible For The Looting In America; Darwin Called To Exterminate Dark-Skinned People He Saw As Half-Humans; Muslims Should Not Attend BLM Protests

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Source: The Internet – “North Miami Islamic Center on Facebook”

In a Friday, June 5, 2020 sermon delivered at the North Miami Islamic Center, which is known also as Masjid As-Sunna An-Nabawiyya North Miami, Imam Dr. Fadi Yousef Kablawi said that he is saddened by Muslims who participate in Black Lives Matter protests because “every life matters.” He said that Christianity is the main problem in America and the West today since Christians believe that Jesus died for their sins and that as a result, they believe that they can commit crimes such as looting and repent for them later. He stated that the solution to America’s problems is Islam. Later in the sermon, Imam Kablawi said that according to Darwinism, the European race must “exterminate the savage race” of people with bigger lips and darker skin. The sermon, titled “This Is How We Should Look at the George Floyd Issue as Muslims,” was streamed live on the mosque’s Facebook page. Dr. Kablawi, who is a dentist and originally from Jordan, had written an article in Ghurabaa Islamic Magazine in 2010, saying that the Jews incurred the anger of God. In November 2019, Salman Rashid, who is affiliated with the North Miami Islamic Center, was arrested for plotting an ISIS attack against the deans of Broward College and Miami Dade College.

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Imam Dr. Fadi Yousef Kablawi: “You look at Muslims going to support the cause of Black Lives Matter – every life matters! Every life matters. And it hurts when you see Muslims raising signs like that. Every life matters. If you are going to stand against injustice, you stand against injustice that could be committed against every individual.

[…]

“That is the very problem I see in America – Christianity. Seriously. And Europe is not any better. Christianity – the way it got corrupted – is the main reason for what we see happening in this country. Christianity.

[…]

“[Jesus] – that’s their god, as they claim – he was killed. But he was not killed for a bad reason, he was killed for your sins. So it does not matter what you do, as much looting as you do – at the end of the week, you are forgiven.

[…]

“Go [to church] on Sunday and confess or repent and you are good. As long as you believe that Jesus Christ died for your sins, you are fine. You tell me how such a religion will create good citizens.

[…]

“So what’s the solution for this aspect? Islam. Islam.

[…]

“Christianity – we already established – is the cause of the problem. The way they implemented it… But Christianity – the pure, original one that came from Allah – is Islam. It is the religion of Allah. But the way they changed it and corrupted it is the [reason] they are now suffering.

[…]

“[Charles Darwin] said that the Europeans, this civilized race – [in order for them] to be able to continue to improve and to become more civilized – they must exterminate the savage race. That is Darwinism. So the fact that people have bigger lips, darker skin, or this… And he believes that we come from monkeys… Your father is a monkey, not my father! Your dad is a monkey, and I refuse for my dad to be a monkey or to admit that. Who is happy to say his dad is an ape, are you crazy? But anyway, the fact that people still have big lips and all that, they are closer – that’s what he says… They are in a stage between humans and beasts – animals. I’m telling you brothers. This is Darwin.”

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Philip
Philip
3 years ago

The relentless, repentless jihad continues. Our side has grown wiser. We know they are no friends of ours. They overplayed their hand- again.

Don
Don
3 years ago

Kablawi fails to mention that Muslims are the ones killing, maiming, and looting any and every society they inhabit and are totally intolerant of everyone else.

Kablawi is the sound made by suicide bombers………. coincidence?

DEMOCRAT = TRAITOR
DNC = Communist Party USA

Liberalism_IS_INSANITY
Liberalism_IS_INSANITY
3 years ago
Reply to  Don

MUSLIMS = ANTI-CONSTITUTION

Mohammed SuckaAchmed, Jr. is the name of all JUVENILE Muslims.

Philip
Philip
3 years ago
Reply to  Don

OMG, you’re right! Their names are like white noise to me: Mohammed this, Mohammed Achmed that. So dull and unoriginal. Can’t even one of them buck the trend and go with Joehammed? Or Moe Hammed? Or even Bohammed? A Muslim book of names must be extremely redundant.

jbaviera
jbaviera
3 years ago
Reply to  Philip

“A Muslim book of names must be extremely redundant” And short!

Rusty
Rusty
3 years ago
Reply to  Don

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Philip
Philip
3 years ago

They got overconfident and greedy and it’s going to cost them. Wrath, pride, greed, and lust- Islam owns 4 of the 7 deadly sins. Good luck with that!

DemocracyRules
DemocracyRules
3 years ago
Reply to  Philip

OIL now = $38 / barrel. Fracking is back on track. Goodbye Petro-states. Only the defeat and impoverishment of Islamist tyrants will defeat terrorism. The citizenry of those countries never see the money anyway.

MuhamMUDTheFakeProphet
MuhamMUDTheFakeProphet
3 years ago
Reply to  DemocracyRules

Like the mafia, the muslum petrocracies are diversified. They own airlines and significant stakes in companies like AMD. I’m surprised OPEC hasn’t ordered a reduction in production of oil in their member states.

DemocracyRules
DemocracyRules
3 years ago

Yes, but choke off their oil revenues, and that will choke off all the other income as well. When the oil money runs out, they will sell their other holdings to keep afloat, until that money is spent up too. ALL the petro-states rely upon oil revenues to fund their economies.

MuhamMUDTheFakeProphet
MuhamMUDTheFakeProphet
3 years ago
Reply to  DemocracyRules

Maybe, AMD is the only corporation I’m aware of that has significant stock holdings by muslums, although I thought some multimedia conglomerates were similarly compromised (Fox?). Citibank the Motley Fool and Twitter are similarly compromised. Then there’s this:
https://www.arabnews.com/node/1675796/business-economy
The muslum petrocracies are buying up the rotten, corrupt, degenerate atheist West piecemeal at bargain basement prices.

Liberalism_IS_INSANITY
Liberalism_IS_INSANITY
3 years ago
Reply to  Philip

ISLAM does not believe in any deadly sins. However, they DO believe in lying, stealing, and murdering FOR THE ADVANCEMENT OF ISLAM AND SHARIA LAW.

ISLAM IS PURE UNADULTERATED DEMONIC EVIL.

Lev Azkhar
Lev Azkhar
3 years ago

You are right LII. Islam never say much of their Allah, except that it most be obeyed. We know that Lucifer was a demon created as an angel and he rebelled against The Creator of The Universe, and became ha Satan, the Devil, El Diablo. Islam means Submission, Surrender. That is what Allah demands. Best regards to Salman Rushdie.

Art~Spectrum
Art~Spectrum
3 years ago
Reply to  Lev Azkhar

If you refer to the Lucifer of Scripture, he was not “a demon created as an angel”, but you are correct that the great “anointed cherub”, Lucifer, “the seal of perfection” and “perfect in beauty” (Eze. 28:12 NKJV) who from vanity, and its self-elevating pride (17), “rebelled against The Creator of the Universe, and became the Devil”.

The divinely created “Day Star”, Lucifer, turned dark star, as black hole of stellar night. Thus arose Satan, the Destroyer: “a murderer from the beginning”, and the father of lies. (John 8:44 KJV)

At the downfall of the “Lightbearer”, arose the “king of terrors”.

Satan was born, so to speak, from Lucifer’s rebellious fall.

rationalobservations?
rationalobservations?
3 years ago
Reply to  Art~Spectrum

Careful and thorough study of “modern” bibles reveals that the previously Canaanite god “Yahweh” is responsible for the murder of millions of humans of all ages. Men, women, children and babies have been slaughtered by or in the name of the Judaeo/christian deity.

Equally careful study reveals that “Satan” is charged with murdering only 10 people – but since that was the result of a cruel wager by Yahweh, that blood is also on his hands.
Thank goodness it’s all ridiculous childish fiction – but if I was inclined to gullibility and superstition, I know which deity I would be backing and it wouldn’t be the barbarous, blood soaked monster “Yahweh”!

Are you sure you are supporting the least dangerous imaginary supernatural entity, Art?

Art~Spectrum
Art~Spectrum
3 years ago

“Canaanite god”? Suggesting one of the pagan idol gods of stone or metal? The Power Israel looked to, when led by godly men, was Adonai, known by other sacred Names, describing aspects of His eternal Nature and Divine Power.

Who are you to charge the Creator G. with “murder”, or sanctioning “slaugher”!

You further disgracefully charge the Word of the OT with cruelty, in your ignorance. Accusing Him of blood-guilt!

Just as point of fact, the Life-Giver has a right to take the life of what He has created. Men do not.

You lost me with “‘Satan’ is charged with murdering only 10 people.

Mock-on. The day is not far off, when you along with all the other scoffers, will recognize that the God of the Bible does provably exist — Including by Science. Notwithstanding “science falsely so called”.

Are you on a crusade?

rationalobservations?
rationalobservations?
3 years ago
Reply to  Art~Spectrum

The evidence of the pagan origins of the god “Yahweh” are well known to scholars who have the curiosity to go looking.

“Scholar Nissim Amzallag, of Ben-Gurion University, disagrees with the claim that Yahweh’s origins are obscure and argues that the deity was originally a god of the forge and patron of metallurgists during the Bronze Age (c. 3500-1200 BCE). Amzallag specifically cites the ancient copper mines of the Timna Valley (in southern Israel), biblical and extra-biblical passages, and similarities of Yahweh to gods of metallurgy in other cultures for support.

Although the Bible, and specifically the Book of Exodus, presents Yahweh as the god of the Israelites, there are many passages which make clear that this deity was also worshipped by other peoples in Canaan. Amzallag notes that the Edomites, Kenites, Moabites, and Midianites all worshipped Yahweh to one degree or another and that there is evidence the Edomites who operated the mines at Timnah converted an earlier Egyptian temple of Hathor to the worship of Yahweh.

Although the biblical narratives depict Yahweh as the sole creator god, lord of the universe, and god of the Israelites especially, initially he seems to have been Canaanite in origin and subordinate to the supreme god El. Canaanite inscriptions mention a lesser god Yahweh and even the biblical Book of Deuteronomy stipulates that “the Most High, El, gave to the nations their inheritance” and that “Yahweh’s portion is his people, Jacob and his allotted heritage” (32:8-9). A passage like this reflects the early beliefs of the Canaanites and Israelites in polytheism or, more accurately, henotheism (the belief in many gods with a focus on a single supreme deity). The claim that Israel always only acknowledged one god is a later belief cast back on the early days of Israel’s development in Canaan.”

https://www.ancient.eu/Yahweh/

Google pagan origins of Yahweh for many links to the evidence…

Art~Spectrum
Art~Spectrum
3 years ago

Obviously, Mr. Amzallag does not accept the Scriptures as the Word of the Living God. And it seems, he makes the mistake other Bible skeptics, and secular opponents make, inverting who influenced who. Such as over the Flood account. Of course, it wasn’t that a Global Flood catastrophically occurred, and thus naturally left deep impressions on the generations born of Noah and his sons and wives. But myth of one of the heathen nations around Israel, which influenced them.

The impact and influence of the Kingdom of Israel, then Empire under David and Solomon, on surrounding nations, like the early Greeks (possibly influencing their later mythology — from Aegean sea area, came the coastal Philistines), I think is not fully realized or appreciated.

If spectacular events recorded in the Bible did occur, just as written, the “news” reports would have been sensational! “The god or gods of the land,, at times intervened on behalf of mortal men!” Or some such impression, from later accounts.

And about other neighboring—and related people (Edom, Moab, and Median)—supposedly worshiping El. Christians speak of the “Almighty”. No other non-Christian religion today, holds some concept of an “almighty” god? Or a “Creator”? But where that is the case, that does not mean they worship the Christian God. Nor does it mean the Christian concept derives from heathen belief.

Because peoples bordering the Tribes of Israel, came to recognize the God of the Hebrews, does not necessarily mean they worshiped Him as their supreme god. — Or that Israel adopted a pagan concept from them. — Though, no doubt, some few among neighboring nations did. Especially aware of what the Hebrew God did for His people. And how He brought them out of former superpower, Empire Egypt, with a Mighty Hand.

You take one of the Biblical Names, and try mightily to pagan-trivialize it. Or claim Israel adopted a pagan Canaanite god.

rationalobservations?
rationalobservations?
3 years ago
Reply to  Art~Spectrum

“Obviously, Mr. Amzallag does not accept the Scriptures as the Word of the Living God.”
The question remains: WHICH “scriptures” do you imagine to be valid or authentic and upon what evidence do you make this claim?
Do you believe in the oldest NT bible (Codex Sinaiticus) that was cobbled together by a team of four Greek language scribes in the late 4th century is authoentic and if so why? OR:
Do you imagine that the very significantly different in content and order of contents King James version that was cobbled together and written in the language of Shakespeare in the early 17th century by an larger team of human scribes is as authentic or more authentic and is so upon what evidence?
Or do you believe in the authenticity of any of the other human authored bibles in circulation today and if so – why?

Your assumptions, presumptions, suppositions and propaganda have no basis in histirical evidence, just like the mythology upon which your assumptions, presumptions, suppositions and propaganda is based.

The fact that Yahweh was previously part of the Canaanite pantheon and many others is evidence supported. Your denial of the evidence is merely due to your indoctrinated delusions.

Art~Spectrum
Art~Spectrum
3 years ago

Again, be careful about accusing others of being indoctrinated. And portraying what you refuse to objectively examine as “mythology”, based on “assumption, presumptions, and suppositions and propaganda” (and Biblical skeptics, whose words you take as, forgive the pun, Gospel truth). You well describe the pseudo-science of Evolution. The atheist’s religion.

As for the canon Bible:

https://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/canon.cfm

rationalobservations?
rationalobservations?
3 years ago
Reply to  Art~Spectrum

Your obfuscation and recycled non-arguments fail to distract from your inability to answer any of the questions that so obviously confuse and confound you.
Again:
The question remains: WHICH “scriptures” do you imagine to be valid or authentic and upon what evidence do you make this claim?
Do you believe in the oldest NT bible (Codex Sinaiticus) that was cobbled together by a team of four Greek language scribes in the late 4th century is authoentic and if so why? OR:
Do you imagine that the very significantly different in content and order of contents King James version that was cobbled together and written in the language of Shakespeare in the early 17th century by an larger team of human scribes is as authentic or more authentic and is so upon what evidence?
Or do you believe in the authenticity of any of the other human authored bibles in circulation today and if so – why?

Your assumptions, presumptions, suppositions and propaganda have no basis in histirical evidence, just like the mythology upon which your assumptions, presumptions, suppositions and propaganda is based.

The fact that Yahweh was previously part of the Canaanite pantheon and many others is evidence supported. Your denial of the evidence is merely due to your indoctrinated delusions.

Please continue to demonstrate your ignorance and gullibility and refrain from being “careful” to disguise your affliction in any small way.

Confusing you and confounding you has become an entertaining pastime that I shall miss when you finally get tired of the humiliation. You are also providing a service to others less comprehensively indoctrinated and better educated than you constantly demonstrate yourself to be.

Art~Spectrum
Art~Spectrum
3 years ago

Your anti-biblical bias shuts your mind to any other possibility, over the one name El, that you claim derives from pagan mythology. Say the Hebrew does match “Almighty” or “Creator”. Would evidence of that one name among the pagans PROVE that the Israelite’s were influenced by the heathen nations (which, by the way, THEY WERE, in times of backsliding unfaithfulness), and adopted a Canaanite pagan god’s name?

You appear to heavily spin your whole assertion on that one name.

You WANT to believe that to reinforce your secular religion, and continue secure in it. As the “mountain of evidence” is more virtual CGI illusion.

Read what I submitted, and find the answer you don’t want to recognize.

I’ve been taught, that the King James Bible in English is the most accurate in that language. (And though the order and number of books is different than original Hebrew and Greek, the text is the same.)

Initially, you seemed on crusade. Now do you play role of Inquisitor!

Don’t demand I answer you, like a smug arrogant prosecutor!

I’m done on this narrowing thread.

rationalobservations?
rationalobservations?
3 years ago
Reply to  Art~Spectrum

How could you imagine that I am “anti-biblical” when I have spent so much time studying many of the diverse and very different versions of bible back to the 4th century prototype known as “Codex Sinaiticus” that is so very significantly different from those written by later generations of human authors?

You deny the evidence that originates from within modern bibles but denial never represents refutation in which you have signally failed.

You now indicate that you are cutting and running from further humiliation and that appears to be the first sensible act on your part.

Your humiliation has been painful but necessary in the pursuit of truth and the education of those less thoroughly indoctrinated and less stubbornly ignorant than you who also read these columns.

Your recycled vapid and evidence devoid nonsense will not be missed.

Liberalism_IS_INSANITY
Liberalism_IS_INSANITY
3 years ago

ISLAM’s SHARIA LAW IS THE OPPOSITE OF OUR U.S. CONSTITUTION. Therefore, NO MUSLIM should be able to be in any MAJOR BUSINESS LEADERSHIP position, especially in a POLITICAL position!

TLAIB AND THE OTHER MUSLIMS IN CONGRESS, SHOULD BE DEPORTED FOR SEDITION AGAINST OUR CONSTITUTION.

DemocracyRules
DemocracyRules
3 years ago

EVERY immigrant should be given a choice. Constitution or Koran. The two cannot logically co-exist in one brain.

Liberalism_IS_INSANITY
Liberalism_IS_INSANITY
3 years ago
Reply to  DemocracyRules

ISLAM ALLOWS MUSLIMS TO LIE TO MEET THEIR END GOALS, so NO, I do not agree with you. THERE IS NO LIBERTY IN ISLAM.

However, IF THEY GIVE UP ISLAM, then I would personally consider it, but most, if not all MUSLIMS will not.

I have studied ISLAM for many, many years and I KNOW that their main theme allows MUSLIMS to LIE, to STEAL, AND to MURDER INFIDELS WHO DO NOT ACCEPT ISLAM. And, if they claim they are a MODERATE Muslim, then that is a LIE TOO because then, they are not following the tenets of ISLAM, in which case, they, the moderate Muslim is worthy of DEATH. THAT IS IN THEIR QURAN/KORAN.

NO DEMOCRAT in political office today would EVER give anyone a choice to do anything. DEMOCRATS WANT CHAOS AND EVIL TO JOIN OUR REPUBLIC SO THEY CAN TAKE IT DOWN.

I say to any Muslim that justifies their murdering innocent people JUST BECAUSE they do not want ISLAM, is, IF THEIR ALLAH ALLOWS THE MURDER OF INNOCENT PEOPLE, THEN THAT PLACES HIM RIGHT NEXT TO SATAN AND THEREFORE, THERE IS NO MORE GOOD (GOD) AND EVIL (SATAN). That just means that ALLAH IS SATAN.

Well, I will not support Dems or anyone else who thwarts, twists, and subverts our Constitution to allow EVIL to dictate themselves over me and my fellow AMERICAN citizens.

There is a CIVIL WAR COMING in AMERICA and every good American better prepare for it, WITH GUNS AND BULLETS (or bow and arrows and/or swords), OR they will either die or be enslaved in an evil MUSLIM and/or LIBERALS dictatorship.

GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH.

Suresh
Suresh
3 years ago

Agree. And the first Muslim democrat/socialist gay president imported 200,000 yearly legal and illegal muslims and deported christians back to ISIS to be slaughtered after they tried to make it to America http://offtrade.net/cnmnews/islamonazi-deports-christians/

And those who dared to help were threatened to shut up and MSM would not cover it !

MuhamMUDTheFakeProphet
MuhamMUDTheFakeProphet
3 years ago

“innocent people” might mean a very different thing to muslums than it does to you. Resisting islamic hegemony in any way means you’re not innocent.

Rusty
Rusty
3 years ago

Remember that if you grew up in the USA you grew up in a culture still based on Biblical principles. You did. Thus how you see things is impacted by that. Had you grown up in Indonesia you would see the word in a very different way. Read Dr. Francis Schaeffer’s

“He is There and He is Not Silent” which digs deep into how and what we see.
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Grandma Dorothy
Grandma Dorothy
3 years ago
Reply to  Rusty

Sorry Rusty, but many have not been raised in Christian homes or in homes that believe in the bible or God at all. So their culture hasn’t been based on anything except the lies of the generations that has been handed down to them and built the hate we see flowing from them now. But this isn’t something new. I still remember the burning out white homes (but not the rich home of the democrats) after they got Civil Rights. Which the got because of the whites that though what was being done to them was morally wrong and due to Republicans getting those last few votes they needed to pass it – while all of the democrats voted nay!
So those as old as I am, we remember and won’t give credit where it isn’t due. Sorry but I am unable to agree with what you think to be truth when it really isn’t…

Rusty
Rusty
3 years ago

Perhaps I was not clear enough. I did not say that all were raised in homes that taught the Bible or its principles, but there is no doubt in my mind, the evidence is too clear, that the positive influence is Biblically based. Where it was excluded you see the results. Some say if we have more money things will be better. How’d that work out with Bill Ayers and Diana Oughton. His father was CEO of Commonwealth Edison and her father was a bank president and she was grand daughter of the founder of the Boy Scouts of America. They had a lot of stuff, but where is the Man Jesus? You can not deny what John Adams said, “The Constitution was written for a moral and religious people. It was wholly inadequate for another.” “What is government itself but the greatest of all reflections on human nature? If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary.” James Madison

Though I did not live there I do recall the 1967 riot on Detroit. As today the rioters did not fit the people described by Adams or Madison. Why were men like Booker T. Washington and George Washington Carver different and men like Woodrow Wilson and FDR more like the rioters? YOU may want to read the book “Woodrow Wilson, the Disciple of Revolution” or “Wall Street and FDR”

Grandma Dorothy
Grandma Dorothy
3 years ago
Reply to  Rusty

Most people who know I’m in my 80’s overlook it when I mess up. lol I see things differently than many do I guess but most know that I don’t mean to misunderstand what they meant but I tend to do that a lot anymore. Sigh. I have had the unhappiness of being told some are Christian and then they do not know their Bible or live by it so to me, that makes them so-called Christians or some follows of false religions. One reason I’m nondenominational and just try to follow the Bible instead of man made religions. But when I was physically able I attended churches that taught the true gospel of Jesus as we are told to not forsake the fellowship but some pastors and elders still go to the shut-in and give them Holy Communion. Glad there are still a few like that around as most seem to have turned the opposite direction. Another sigh goes here. Yes, positive influence is Biblically based. As it’s said, to gain the world and lose ones soul. God forbid. And yet we are to obey the government ‘unless’ it goes against the Word of God for it is He that put them in place to rule. Romans 13:1-2. Ah, to think we His children, are to even judge over angels, wow. 1 Corinthians 6:2-3. However the fallen angles are judged by God. I actually think what that means is that the position of His children will be consider higher than the angels, since angels were not a creation of God in His image and they were weren’t redeemed as we were, by Christ. And in Hebrews 1:14 God sends His angels to serve His saints, meaning those who inherit eternal life.
It was devastating what was done to Detroit! But if I remember correctly, didn’t the police shoot to kill? At least they didn’t play around with anyone! I remember DC so well because my grandmother (and mom) who was crippled with rheumatoid arthritis and lived on a 3rd floor walk-up. Fortunately when they called us my husband wasn’t at base (he put his rifle over his shoulder) and went to get them. It was hard for her to get down the steps but knowing he was there and would protect them, made it easier, I think. That bothered me so much because I had stood up for the blacks Civil Rights as I thought it was my moral duty, but when they rioted I felt kicked in the stomach and that I had helped cause the fear of those I loved the most.
Afraid it’s well after midnight here and I get up by 5:30 in the morning so I must sign off now…

created4el
created4el
3 years ago

“innocent people” does mean a very different thing to Muslims than it applies to anybody else. As you rightly state, in Islam, there is no one that is not a Muslim who is innocent. Only Muslims are considered innocent. That is why a non-Muslim can be killed by a Muslim without being considered as having done something wrong according to Islamic doctrine. Of course given western societal “influences” Muslim majority countries need to pretend to have some basic rights for non-Muslims so places like Pakistan pretend to have justice but basically non-Muslims can get accused of anything and get taken to court and chances are, if the non-Muslim is not found guilty, there would probably be riots or near riots.

UR.carrion
UR.carrion
3 years ago

I too have studied Islam for years and been to the middle east. You are correct.

Sweetp Holt
Sweetp Holt
3 years ago

IF THEY GIVE UP ISLAM– when is that?

Laddyboy
Laddyboy
3 years ago
Reply to  DemocracyRules

@DR: Along with your idea, a week of eating meals consisting of bacon, roasts and back-straps MUST be required to be eaten in front of a board of Judges.

UR.carrion
UR.carrion
3 years ago
Reply to  DemocracyRules

Choose the Qu’ran, get deported.

Poppey
Poppey
3 years ago

Exactly so LII, the proof of the west’s blindness to the size of the Islamic elephant in the room is the courts willingness to believe in the truth of a testimony sworn on a koran when that book demands the faithful swearing on it lie to protect Islam.

How is it this issue is still ignored ?

Rusty
Rusty
3 years ago
Reply to  Poppey

We have two things. We have the stealth of the Muslims and the Left, Democrats intentionally blinding us. The Left began taking over education more than 100 years ago, and the seminaries. By what they do we see proof of John Adams’ words, “The Constitution was written for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for any other. He spoke only of Christians and Jews. There appears to be just a remnant left.

Name
Name
3 years ago

Islam is the answer to nothing. Every Moslem country Is a failed state and every Moslem in North America should be deported back to their Islamic s#@tholes.

Moronbasher
Moronbasher
3 years ago

Please report this guy to the Miami PD and write to the mosque that he apologizes and be fired-this is pure hate speech

Art~Spectrum
Art~Spectrum
3 years ago
Reply to  Moronbasher

If Imam’s unholy message had been inverted, and pastor’s uttered sermon, that would have been the hysterical charge screamed from coast to coast.

IamBob
IamBob
3 years ago
Reply to  Moronbasher

It’s not ‘hate speech’ if a Muslim utters it. On the other hand, if a Christian (or a Jewish person) does it that’s a different matter.

Rl
Rl
3 years ago

The Imam is both up his anus and well into the dark ages. Fine Islamic understanding of Darwin… Makes me want to convert to Islam.. I do thank God that I an neither Arab or moslem. How they got to the US and were allowed to stay I just do not understand. The arabs take the prize of being the most useless people on the planet.

felix1999
felix1999
3 years ago
Reply to  Rl

GWB formalize the lie that Islam is a religion of peace. That was immediately after 9/11! Dumb people believed him. He has an undergraduate degree in world history. He knew better. We are at war with Islam.

When Europe was recovering from the war, they stayed in their country and rebuilt it. The stupid west, invited them in as “refugees” and “migrants” who have nothing to offer but evil and now they want to dominate us.

We have spineless politicians that are either dumb, corrupted by Muslim money or too afraid to speak up on the evil Islam is where ever it is. What I just wrote is now called “hate speech”. They have it down pat on censorship. They continue to abuse our freedom and work our system against us
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MuhamMUDTheFakeProphet
MuhamMUDTheFakeProphet
3 years ago
Reply to  felix1999

I was a Dem0nrat back then, so at least I didn’t vote for Dubya!

Commieobamie
Commieobamie
3 years ago

islam moHOGmad demons, BLM, Antifa, DemoCommies; ALL the same team ARE responsible and the cause of the problems. All of these Satan worshippers hate GOD. And life without YAHWEH GOD, HIS Son the LORD YESHUA, and THE HOLY SPIRIT is the reason for their miserable empty lives.

IamBob
IamBob
3 years ago
Reply to  Commieobamie

Exactly…

MuhamMUDTheFakeProphet
MuhamMUDTheFakeProphet
3 years ago

“Every life matters”, even a stopped clock is right twice a day. I’m surprised the imam would say this unless what he really meant is every muslum life matters?

felix1999
felix1999
3 years ago

Except for females and those born less perfect through handicaps etc. or from inbreeding.

stephen5970
stephen5970
3 years ago

Every life matters, unless you are a Jew, Buddhist, Seik, Hindu, Christian, Shinto, and any other non-muslim. Since when do muslims believe BLM, even if they are muslim? Arab muslims believe blacks are there only to be slaves, or has there been progress over the past 1400 years?

rationalobservations?
rationalobservations?
3 years ago
Reply to  stephen5970

That sounds an awful like the totalitarianism of christianity from the time it was so brutally and murderously imposed upon the world in the 4th century through Dark Ages of persecution and terror and torture, to 9 genocidal christian crusades and 300 years of further terror and torture called the “inquisition”.

Thank goodness the development and expansion of evidence based discovery led education and free, peaceful non-religious secular democracy has already proved to be the antidote to the poison of all brands of religion in so much of the now mostly godless developed world and with the www, is aspired too by the younger generation still dominated and persecuted by Islamic totalitarianism that is so remarkably similar in nature to historic christian totalitarianism now thankfully moribund.
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felix1999
felix1999
3 years ago

Why must Imans constantly prove they have –

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felix1999
felix1999
3 years ago

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MuhamMUDTheFakeProphet
MuhamMUDTheFakeProphet
3 years ago
Reply to  felix1999

By the beard of the pedophile Prophet for profit!

Rusty
Rusty
3 years ago

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IamBob
IamBob
3 years ago
Reply to  felix1999

Thanks. I think I’ll use that…

felix1999
felix1999
3 years ago
Reply to  IamBob

Muslims will never fit into our country. Sharia Law is incompatible with western values, beliefs and our Constitution. You must already know this. They are trying to dominate us and dumb people vote them into positions of power to show they are not Islamophobic. Their ignorant defiance will bite them in one form or another.

I think it’s okay to speak for others, but I doubt that anyone here would mind you using memes posting here, elsewhere.

If you are not familiar with Robert Spencer, he is an excellent source from a scholarly approach on Islam and also has a censor free forum on news events. Mr. Spencer is a wonderful man.

https://www.jihadwatch.org/

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felix1999
felix1999
3 years ago

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IamBob
IamBob
3 years ago
Reply to  felix1999

Nuff said. Truth speaks for itself.

Art~Spectrum
Art~Spectrum
3 years ago

What a diabolical lie! No follower of Biblical Christianity, or any remotely faithful version thereof, would have even thought to join in militant company of law-breaking mob, and run-amok pillaging urban districts and plundering merchant businesses, in dark of arson-inflamed violent nights.

Of course, there’s no agenda in Imam’s outrageous libel, who then offers the ultimate solution: Islam of Mohammad Koran! (How well has that worked for nations?)

He is right though, that “every life matters” — even Jews, “infidels” and apostates. IF that’s what he means, he may himself come under damning fatwa!

rationalobservations?
rationalobservations?
3 years ago
Reply to  Art~Spectrum

“No follower of Biblical Christianity, or any remotely faithful version thereof, would have even thought to join in militant company of law-breaking mob..”

You obviously haven’t studied the history of the first of nine historical rampages called “crusades”. They managed to slaughter over 20,000 Jews before passing through what much later became modern Germany on their way to massacre 300,000 men women children and babies under Papal orders to “kill them all and let god sort them out” when asked how to differentiate between Eastern christians and the other citizens they were instructed to wipe out.

The history of the 4th cetury founded religion the |Romans called “christianity” is soaked in blood from the time it was imposed upon the world under the slogan “convert or die”…

Art~Spectrum
Art~Spectrum
3 years ago

You need to read more carefully. As you quoted me: “No follower of Biblical Christianity,” …

The Crusades of the Church-State Power of the Middle Ages, and terrible persecutions of Inquisition, was not born of Biblical Christianity. Those war-waging actions and murderous purges were antithetical to the Founder’s teachings.

Not that just war is not allowed. As in “crusade” to liberate Europe from genocidal Nazi-enslaving Tyranny.

It was not only Jews, Muslims and even fellow “Christians” who fell before the Holy Roman Empire’s dispatched Crusades (without and within Europa) — but Bible believing Christians: men, woman and children. Whole towns were wiped out.

And it was not only Jews who felt the edge of the Catholic sword in Europe. — But peace-loving Christians!

Yes, there were instances were some groups did take up the sword to defend themselves against State-mobilized-armies of Bishops and Popes, but in so doing, they perished by the sword.

Read horrendous accounts scattered through FOX’s BOOK of MARTYRS!

https://www.ccel.org/ccel/foxe/martyrs/files/martyrs.html

(Are you on crusade?)

rationalobservations?
rationalobservations?
3 years ago
Reply to  Art~Spectrum

You offer no evidence supported claims but do raise more questions than you answer (as usual).
You write of “Biblical Christianity”?
That raises the question of which bible? Is it the oldest 4th century fabricated Codex Sinaiticus or different in content 4th century fabricated Codex Vaticanus?
Or is it the very different in content early 17th century fabricated King James Version bible? Or perhaps another human written bible version of edited, amended, added to and deleted from bible in circulation today?
Which human written book do your claim is authentic and upon what evidence do you make that claim?

After clarifying that important point, we can perhaps deal with the rest of you unsupported claims through examining the evidence of the state of christianity in the 11th century through the 9 christian crusades of medieval times.

Am I on a crusade? No. I am much too much a charitable humanitarian to engage in that religionist barbarity.
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Art~Spectrum
Art~Spectrum
3 years ago

Discern a pattern with you, whatever does not fit into your worldview is labeled myth, even if historical — or Scientific.

The canonized Bible, as King James written, universally recognized, mostly.

For a Book written by mere men, it is amazingly consistent, books written over span of about 1,500 years. And Book miraculously preserved down through centuries, even through Dark Age spans, where personal copy was outlawed on pain of death.

Scripture provides its own evidence. Fulfilled prophecy—and prophecy being fulfilled now—one area.

I’ve already addressed the Holy Roman Empire crusades, that cut-down Jews, “Christians”, Muslims and “heretics”. (Although Islamic-world aggression and persecution, provoked military response from Christendom.)

rationalobservations?
rationalobservations?
3 years ago
Reply to  Art~Spectrum

Any pattern I represent is that of respect for evidence.
There is no historical or scientific evidence that confirms the mythology of any of the millions of fictional gods, goddesses and god-men among which the previously Canaanite god “Yahweh” and the Roman’s god-man “Jesus” are nothing unique or original and of which no scientific or historical evidence exists.

You confirm this with each of your evidence devoid diatribes of denial.

“The canonized Bible, as King James written, universally recognized, mostly”.
Really?? It’s a revered example of poetic Shakespeare inspired literature but ever fewer educated folk accept it as anything other than human authored literature.

Once again the evidence confounds your recycled lies:
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Art~Spectrum
Art~Spectrum
3 years ago

https://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/canon.cfm

Try to have an open mind, before you slam the Bible shut as myth.

rationalobservations?
rationalobservations?
3 years ago
Reply to  Art~Spectrum

Once again you refer to “the” bible (singular). Have you not realised yet that there are many diverse and very different NT bibles that date back to the oldest prototype, late 4th century fabricated “Codex Sinaiticus” that is significantly different from the early 17th century published “King James version” and other more recent editions of the much altered, edited, amended, added to and deleted from exaggerated,endlessly re-re-re-re-re-written and obviously much modified and interpolated editions of bibles that we know today?

I had and keep a very open mind concerning actual tangible authentic and credible evidence and follow the evidence before coming to a conclusion that can also be modified by the discovery of new evidence. It is this process that revealed the complex human origin of the bibles we know today.

You appear to have a closed and locked mind concerning the evidence that condemns all versions of bibles as the obvious work men? The key to a locked mind is within so I cannot help you to find it and discover what is true and what is false.
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Art~Spectrum
Art~Spectrum
3 years ago

Once again, your tone reminiscent of an inquisitor. Don’t demand answers from me like an aggressive prosecutor!

Nontheless:

”The Geneva Bible was hugely popular throughout Shakespeare’s lifetime, because most editions [… were] small and portable, with many ‘profitable’ features for readers. [….] There are many Biblical references in Shakespeare’s plays – some obvious, some more subtle. Most scholars agree that the Geneva Bible is the one he used most, because his wording is often closest to this text.”

https://www.bl.uk/collection-items/the-geneva-bible-1570

And let me tell you, Mr. or Ms., I am getting quite sick of your many repeat-lines about “profound ignorance and gullibility”! Your intellectual vanity is glaring. — And insufferable arrogance annoying.

Here is one reference, as I am not a scholar: “Is The Bible Worth Trusting?” Brief video addresses your repeat attempt to discredit the the Bible (NT here) as hopelessly unreliable in textual accuracy:

https://barbervillebaptistchurch.org/cvglobal/?page=biblereliability&kw=is%20the%20bible%20accurate&mt=b&loc=9032535&n=g&d=c&adp=&cid=9825344865&adgid=101437704193&tid=kwd-297551422978&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIp7vkv4mN6gIVvj6tBh2H_AuGEAAYASAAEgIAxvD_BwE

And please, don’t lecture me on gullibility, when you’ve been persuaded of Darwin’s fabled Life-Tree.

(Disneyland exhibit idea?!)

Insult away. And raise yourself as you demean me in smug pride.

You should not speak of biased-blinded mind, closed as a sealed box. And I’ll add, self-deceived. You have successfully been convinced of a pseudo-“science” fantasy. Weighed down by “mountain of evidence”, but light as virtual reality. Anything is possible on that processor-generated screen. Even stories of savage ape-man, becoming artist Rembrandt.

A fishy tale, for sure.*

Well, with that stealth “Dunning-Kruger effect” insult-line, among others, I’m beginning to wonder if your programmed artificial AI. I feel at times, I am engaging with a robot.

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rationalobservations?
rationalobservations?
3 years ago
Reply to  Art~Spectrum

Your pathetic diatribes of nonsense and denial are getting more and more ridiculous.
Here’s the original of the famous cartoon you degrade and plagiarise:
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Art~Spectrum
Art~Spectrum
3 years ago

“Eat, survive, reproduce.” Reads as reinforced summation of secular-atheist pseudo-science explanation on origins. Man (of woman) becomes a mere animal, without moral compass or guiding North Star by which to navigate through life.

“Eat, survive, reproduce.” As wild savage monkeys of a troop. Their highest purpose, three words encompass.

The “nonsense” is that creator man (woman beside), of conscious mind, endowed with intelligence not explained by physical brain, rose from a primordial fish that, over generations, longed for dry land. Then rose from brutal anthopoid to cultured man.

What folly in humans turning away from the Creator, and turning worshipfully towards the creature? Like a dumb ape driven by instinct, or mindless fish, discontent with the wide watery realm of its diverse sea.
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rationalobservations?
rationalobservations?
3 years ago
Reply to  Art~Spectrum

You write: “Man (of woman) becomes a mere animal, without moral compass or guiding North Star by which to navigate through life.”

Male and female of our very recently evolved and still evolving species of ape are “mere” animals being neither of the two other categories of substances (mineral or vegetable). However and with the exception of a tiny number of mutants we call “psychopaths” and “sociopaths”, we are far from lacking in morality. We have an evolved instinct we call the “human conscience” that is part of the package of evolutionary tools for the successful survival of any species. We have also outlawed the biblical barbarity of religionists laws here in the developed world and have replaced them systematically with less harmful and more egalitarian civil secular laws that we all agree to within the educated, free, secular democracies we have also developed to replace the vile totalitarianism of religionist theocratic tyranny.

For those who have not already read the wisdom of one of the greatest mind in history, Enjoy:

“It seems to me that the idea of a personal God is an anthropological concept which I cannot take seriously. I also cannot imagine some will or goal outside the human sphere…. Science has been charged with undermining morality, but the charge is unjust. A man’s ethical behaviour should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death.

– Albert Einstein, “Religion and Science,” New York Times Magazine, November 9, 1930.

You (and a fortunately declining number of others) who claim that you are only curtailed from your evil character, lawless instincts and immoral nature by the content of one version of human authored book – do indeed reveal yourself as being in a “poor way” as examples of humanity.
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Art~Spectrum
Art~Spectrum
3 years ago

Gnash your teeth, but the highest level of enlightened civilization of man’s long bloody history, and cruel tyrannies, were the two Judeao-Christian world powers, foretold long ago: The British Commonwealth Empire, and the great Constitutional Nation of America. Both raised by the Hand of Providence.

Those two enlightened and flawed peoples, went a long way to ending the global scourge of slavery in the 1800s, and on into modern times. And the Bible you so despise, was generally at the center of their domestic family lives.

Mock and rage on in your bias.

I see Evolution drenched human psychology darkens your mind. Another proof of God’s existence, ironically, is the depth of inexplicable evil which can so often become prevalent. — If the Biblical God exists (and don’t play games over translations), then there has to be the violent “god of this world”, Satan and his myriad malevolent demons.

A strong reason the World of Nature is so brutally savage. It reflects man’s war-waging way on Earth. It was not so with nature in the Garden. And will not be so, just few years hence. The “lion will lay down with the lamb”…

British and American law rest on Judeao-Christian foundation: the Bible you so hate.
I find your “higher” learning psychological evolutionary philosophy on man, utterly repuslive in light of his Maker, reflections of family and institution of marriage!

Heathen religions certainly bred barbarism. And so has that evil philosophy of materialism in 20th Century! “Survival of the fittest” and strongest most ruthless: Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and so on. Humans become disposable creatures, in its brutal landscape of human will. Or in sterile clinic in womb, before birth.

Brain-washed adherents to naturalism, turn man made in God’s very image into an instinct-driven beast, denying godlike-mind endowed to humankind.

Einstein was brilliant in thoughts on Science. But like many of his day, people and mentality, he apparently could not fathom a life-giving Creator, Ruler and Maker. At least, for a span of his life.

Acknowledge the First Cause of all existence.

You assume too much…
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rationalobservations?
rationalobservations?
3 years ago
Reply to  Art~Spectrum

Yes, your ignorance based belief in primitive mythology and the lies of wacko creationists is clear.

Reality is a mystery to you so your affliction appears incurable.

You have my sympathy but earn no respect for you stubborn ignorance and childish egotism.

Art~Spectrum
Art~Spectrum
3 years ago

Discussion terminated.

Go on your atheist crusade, and hound someone else with your secular religious devotion, supported by illusory “mountain of evidence”.

You just reinforce my loathing for all that Evolution represents. And its anti-Judaeo-Christian bias and prejudice. Like Marxism, it must subjugate all to its demonic doctrines, and purge all else before its intolerant ideology. Its a faith as much a Baalism, clothed in costume of “science”.

A sort of “scientific” tyranny.

Play abusive inquisitor somewhere else!

rationalobservations?
rationalobservations?
3 years ago
Reply to  Art~Spectrum

Again you flaunt your ignorance, arrogance and gullibility, son.

You never engaged in evidence based discussion of your myths and fantasies so running away from further humiliation and disgrace is your best decision yet..

Your capitulation is accepted!

You can run away from further ridicule, but your lies and the truth will catch up with you..

Best wishes for a speedy recovery.

Meanwhile here is a little reading list of the actual science that supports past, current and ongoing evolution.

GENERAL BIOLOGY:
AAAS Science NetLinks is a guide to standards-based Internet experiences for students.
BiosciEdNet.org provides a searchable database of resources from BEN Collaborative partner organizations such as AIBS, Ecological Society of America, American Society for Microbiology, and Botanical Society of America.
BioQUEST Curriculum Consortium promotes curriculum innovation by serving a national role as a networking resource for individuals to share, distribute, and enhance cooperation among on-going and future biology education development projects.
Biological Sciences Curriculum Study develops and supports the implementation of innovative science education curriculum for students in kindergarten through college.
National Academies’ Subject Hub for Education provides numerous resources and publications on the latest research in teaching and learning.
National Science Teachers Association,a professional society for science teachers, provides professional development opportunities and teaching resources.
National Association of Biology Teachers, a professional society for biology educators, offers an annual professional development conference and monthly publication.
NATURE OF SCIENCE:
Evolution and the Nature of Science Institute. The Institute provides lessons designed to improve the teaching of evolution by incorporating evolutionary thinking in the context of a more complete understanding of modern scientific thinking.
Learn History and Nature of Science. Describes a series of articles published in NSTA journals which focus on how to teach the history and nature of science.
PBS Evolution: What is the nature of science? This online lesson accompanying the PBS series explores how the scientific process helps develop our understanding of the natural world.
Symposium on the nature of science. Beyond Creationism: A reporter’s eye view of the world in collision (video). J. Madeleine Nash, Senior Correspondent, TIME Magazine.
Teaching about Evolution and the Nature of Science 1998 book from National Academies Press.
Understanding Science. An accessible and free web-based resource that accurately communicates what science is and how it really works, includes an interactive representation of the process of science.
EVOLUTION:
Evolution and the Fossil Record. 2001. From the American Geological Institute and the Paleontological Society.
The Evolution Project. PBS website, television series, and teaching resources.
Evolution Resources from the National Academies. All of the Academies resources for learning and teaching evolution, including books, reports, definitions, legal issues, and upcoming events.
Science, Evolution, and Creationism. This 2008 book, published by the National Academies Press, explains the methods of science, examines the scientific evidence in support of biological evolution, and evaluates alternative perspectives.
The Society for the Study of Evolution. A comprehensive listing of general resources, evolution societies, and teaching resources.
“Teaching about Evolution: Old Controversy, New Challenges” (PDF, 100k) A 2001 article written by Rodger Bybee, Biological Sciences Curriculum Study, recipient of the 2001 AIBS Education Award. Published by AIBS in BioScience, April 2001.
Understanding Evolution. From the University of California, Museum of Paleontology, a one-stop source for information on evolution, with teaching resources.

Feel free to get educated whenever you get humiliated enough by revealing your profound ignorance on the subject of 4,000,000,000 years + of the past, current and ongoing evolution of life on Earth.

rationalobservations?
rationalobservations?
3 years ago
Reply to  Art~Spectrum

Your “tree of life” is so far out of date and so unscientific it is ridiculous – but standard as an example of the straw man non-argument of the pathetically ignorant creationist.

https://www.nature.com/articles/nmicrobiol2016114
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Art~Spectrum
Art~Spectrum
3 years ago

Graphs and dioramas can be pleasing to the eye, but how much SCIENCE underpins their artistic fanciful lines?

Also, they can be quite deceptive and misleading. How much detail is fact-based truth, how much guess-work colors falsehoods? Tenuous evolution mythologies, born of preferred worldview, reinforced with circular-reasoning, and backed-up by confirmation bias conjecture? Interpretations read through preferred origin-lens?

False knowledge darkens minds to truth, and an infinitely greater luminous reality, eclipsed by modern creation fable, cast in shadow of a fraudulent “science”.
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rationalobservations?
rationalobservations?
3 years ago
Reply to  Art~Spectrum

Your ignorance of the real evidence based and evidence supported science has been established by you already.

Your indoctrination and belief in the lies of the rapidly declining cohort of liars and creationists has been noted.

You appear to be beyond redemption through education.

Art~Spectrum
Art~Spectrum
3 years ago

Slander on, its all you have left.

Your confidence in material religion must be somewhat shaken. That’s when the personal attacks fly fast and hot.

rationalobservations?
rationalobservations?
3 years ago
Reply to  Art~Spectrum

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Hilarious!

Please PLEASE do keep up this remarkable demonstration of the lunacy of the creationist.

Art~Spectrum
Art~Spectrum
3 years ago

Repeat your own lies enough times, and maybe you’ll convince yourself.

The laughter of a blind fool, deluded in his own pride.

rationalobservations?
rationalobservations?
3 years ago
Reply to  Art~Spectrum

If only you would follow the instruction to get educated as obediently as you follow this one: Please PLEASE do keep up this remarkable demonstration of the lunacy of the creationist.

Art~Spectrum
Art~Spectrum
3 years ago

Per-usual, you have the order reversed: Shakespeare was inspired by the Bible, among other things. As far as who accepts the Scriptures for what they claim to be, in the West anyway, those not thoroughly indoctrinated into the Evolutionary hypothesis, taught as established fact. And its “mountain of [illusory] evidence”.

But “the EVOLUTIONARY scientists say…!”

What they want to believe, as they cleverly (or not so cleverly) reason around reality.

The lies are in Evolution textbooks, yearly darkening young impressionable minds in public schools. Where an irrational myth is taught as “science”!

rationalobservations?
rationalobservations?
3 years ago
Reply to  Art~Spectrum

William Shakespeare ( 26 April 1564 – 23 April 1616)
Publication of KJV bible 1611.

As Shakespeare retired to Stratford upon Avon in 1613 it appears that he could only be “influenced” by the KJV for that last two less productive years of his life even if he had obtained a copy of that rare and expensive book of myths, legends and lies?
“Per-usual” your assumptions, presumptions, suppositions and ill-informed lies are exposed too easily.

“But “the EVOLUTIONARY scientists say…!”
No bozo! The EVIDENCE confirms…

Your weird myths legends and lies are not even bought into by the better educated religionist leaders and employees. Even the last several Popes have accepted the evidence based fact of evolution.

Only the ignorant and the gullible say – “But – “the creationist lie factories say…”

Fortunately the crack pot lies and ridiculous mythology of creationism and creationism-lite “intelligent design” has been outlawed from educational facilities even in the most backward regions of the babble belt of America.

It is fascinating that anyone among the otherwise apparently moderately intelligent folk of the USA still buy into the myths, legends, lies and other so easily revealed baseless propaganda?
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Art~Spectrum
Art~Spectrum
3 years ago

Your personal insults are wearing on me!

WHERE did I say King James Bible? “Shakespeare was inspired by the Bible,” That’s “BIBLE”, which, for your information, has been extant for about for at least 1,600 years. (Although suppressed in Medieval darkness for centuries.)

Quite a nerve to accuse one of lies, when Evolution was promoted with acknowledged LIES! And threaded with modern myth. Not absent its own legends of spontaneous—and unsupportable—life generation, like old mythology of life emerging from ancient waters, of “primitive” Earth. (Although fluid mythology does have a tenuous basis in oceanic fact.)

And lets not overlook the ugly fairy tale of the brutish ape, transformed into intelligent creator man. (Quibble about terminology, but that’s the basic picture.) Beautiful Eve, eclipsed by repulsive Lucy (or latest manufactured anthropoid mother of Homo sapiens, derived from bone fragments).

What an utterly insulting tale it is!

Maybe we should all include a framed-image of anthropoid ape-like creature among our mantle shelf of family gallery pictures?

Artist illustrated, of course.

Changing the glory of the Eternal Creator, visible in what He has made, into a mindless grunting monkey-like creature!

I’ve had just had about enough of your faithful assertions of “EVIDENCE”, mountainous or otherwise.

Its beginning to sound like an ingrained expression of material faith.

Why should I care what Catholic Popes have accepted? You just don’t get it… ( Hint, I don’t worship men. )

Yes, if one dares to oppose your secular religion of high priest Darwin, he/she is (leaving out the string of epithets) gullible, ignorant, uneducated, indoctrinated, …

You may reveal yourself, and totalitarian-leaning, intolerant mentality: “Fortunately the […] ridiculous mythology of creationism and creationism-lite ‘intelligent design’ has been outlawed from educational facilities even in the most backward regions of the babble belt of America.

One reason society is dramatically unraveling. (If we descend from animals, why not behave like wild beasts?)

Your superior condescending arrogance offends me! But its not unfamiliar with Evolution fake-science proponents.

Insulting as ever, “babble belt”?! I’d far rather live among those decent, god-fearing conservative people of the Bible Belt, than among the liberal secularists and atheists, or compromised “Christians” of the hard-Left infiltrated coasts, and inland cities! (There not doing to well, lately, if you have not noticed.)

Among other words I’d caution you about using, as zealous advocate of Evolution, is “propaganda”.

Documentaries are full of it, supported by false artistic evidence and ample animation — generated by a lot of imagination.

Your cartoon is not far off, minus the absence of real-world SCIENCE, which is the description and explanation of CREATION. And ORIGINS, or “beginnings”. That one Book illuminates true foundation of Science, the Science which fills vast computer archives, and gives weight to Library shelves. And where Scripture touches on Science, its revealed spot-on accurate! One line-of-proof of exceptional, transcendent Authorship.

Mock on.

rationalobservations?
rationalobservations?
3 years ago
Reply to  Art~Spectrum

You write: “WHERE did I say King James Bible? “Shakespeare was inspired by the Bible,” That’s “BIBLE”, which, for your information, has been extant for about for at least 1,600 years.”

For your information the oldest prototype bible was cobbled together in the late 4th century and was hidden away from “the church” as all real and historical evidence of the fraudulent origin and fraudulent nature of the 4th century founded Roman religion they called christianity was systematically destroyed and many who knew of it were routinely murdered.

Again: WHICH VERSION OF BIBLE DO YOU CLAIM INFLUENCED SHAKESPEARE?

Also understand that the oldest prototype bible lay undiscovered for 1,500 years. The Codex Sinaiticus lay undisturbed in a Sinai monastery, until it was found – or stolen, as the monks say – in 1844 and split between Egypt, Russia, Germany and Britain.

Now these different parts have been reunited online and, from 2008, anyone, anywhere in the world with internet access is be able to view the complete text and read a translation.

LINK: http://www.codexsinaiticus.org/en/

I am doing my best to remedy at least some small part of your profound ignorance and stubborn gullibility. You will however, need to open that infantile and locked mind of yours and do a little intellectual work yourself if you are actually capable of that undertaking?

The rest of your diatribe of denial and ridiculous conspiracy theories are already debunked bunkum – as you well know!

Please do not think that you can proceed with this obfuscation, blanket facile denial and demonstration of your affliction with cognitive dissonance, profound ignorance and the Dunning-Kruger effect.

You have already demonstrated these failings and afflictions beyond all and any doubt, you , stupid, stupid boy.
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rationalobservations?
rationalobservations?
3 years ago
Reply to  Art~Spectrum

Addendum to the entry below.

I notice you quote from yet another christian religionist propaganda site. You do realise that quoting mythology and quoting propaganda regarding that mythology can never validate, vindicate, excuse or authenticate the mythology?
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Art~Spectrum
Art~Spectrum
3 years ago

No internal European “crusading” military actions against “heretical” Christians? If your answer is yes, then your ignorance exposed.

Waves of Inquisition, Medieval myth?!

Tragic events of State empowered Dark Age religious suppression may not be well known, but that does not mean terrible episodes had not occurred. Nor that a brave man would compile heart-rending accounts—at risk to his own life— for a pack of “mythology and quoting propaganda”. Such statement, considering real streams of blood spilt, as with peaceful Waldensian communities of Alpine Italy, is insulting!

Read John Milton’s poem on historic accounts:

On the Late Massacre in Piedmont

~ Avenge, O Lord, thy slaughter’d saints, whose bones
~ Lie scatter’d on the Alpine mountains cold,
~ Ev’n them who kept thy truth so pure of old,
~ When all our fathers worshipp’d stocks and stones;
~ Forget not: in thy book record their groans
~ Who were thy sheep and in their ancient fold
~ Slain by the bloody Piemontese that roll’d
~ Mother with infant down the rocks. Their moans
~ The vales redoubl’d to the hills, and they
~ To Heav’n. Their martyr’d blood and ashes sow
~ O’er all th’ Italian fields where still doth sway
~ The triple tyrant; that from these may grow
~ A hundred-fold, who having learnt thy way
~ Early may fly the Babylonian woe.

https://sites.udel.edu/britlitwiki/on-the-late-massacre-in-piemont/

rationalobservations?
rationalobservations?
3 years ago
Reply to  Art~Spectrum

“No internal European “crusading” military actions against “heretical” Christians?”
I am not sure where this came from but No. The INQUISITIONS by brutal christians against so called “heretics” came later.

“Waves of Inquisition, Medieval myth?!”
No! Evidence supported fact:
“The Inquisition has its origins in the early organized persecution of non-Catholic Christian religions in Europe. In 1184 Pope Lucius III sent bishops to southern France to track down heretics called Catharists. These efforts continued into the 14th Century.”
https://www.history.com/topics/religion/inquisition#:~:text=The%20Inquisition%20has%20its%20origins,continued%20into%20the%2014th%20Century.

Your other meander appears to be meaningless in the face of historical facts and theutter, total and complete absence of a single shred of historical evidence supporting the mythology and tales of the legendary but historically invisible “Jesus”.

You still appear not to realise that failed diversion into meaningless side issues, quoting mythology and quoting propaganda regarding that mythology can never validate, vindicate, excuse or authenticate the mythology?

Keep up this great work in attracting attention to the garbage of religionism.
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Art~Spectrum
Art~Spectrum
3 years ago

Did Jesus of Nazareth actually live?

Let the Left-wing Guardian answer your skepticism:

New Testament writers aside:

The Jewish historian, Flavius Josephus.

Roman politicians Pliny and Tacitus.

Short article also points out, in early centuries no one questioned whether Jesus existed. It was accepted as fact.

Most, if not all sources testifying to His actual historicity, were by no means favorably disposed to Christianity.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/14/what-is-the-historical-evidence-that-jesus-christ-lived-and-died

rationalobservations?
rationalobservations?
3 years ago
Reply to  Art~Spectrum

It is the confused and contradictory writings of the mostly anonymous human authors and forgers of the diverse and very significantly different, confused and contradictory, historically inaccurate and historically unsupported content of the many different versions of “New Testaments” that have appeared since the first prototype was cobbled together in the late 4th century that are lacking in validation – so your suggestion to put aside all the many different generations of writers of the many different versions of “New Testaments” may be wise but as that is the topic of our discussion and the fraudulent nature of those writings is already evidenced – your wish to ignore all that condemns the writings of those many different generations of authors appears disingenuous? However:

You recycle the sad nonsense that Flavius Josephus, Pliny (the Younger) and Tacitus offer any evidence in support of the existence of a mortal human magician and celebrity preacher named by authors long after the time in which their fiction is set as “Jesus”?
Before you started to recycle that long discredited propaganda please note that the texts merely attributed to Tacitus, Josephus, Pliny etc you should check when the oldest / first known examples of this apparent forgery and discover that all the texts were written by anonymous scribes many centuries after the deaths of those to whom they are merely attributed.

You appear to have misunderstood the meaning of: “actual and tangible authentic and original, first century originated historical evidence of the existence of “Jesus” together with the location in which this (apparently mythical and imaginary) evidence is conserved and available for evaluation.”

You reference the same old evidence devoid propaganda that fails to meet the specification of “actual and tangible authentic and original, first century originated historical evidence of the existence of “Jesus”..”

Taking just a few of the items offered by you and others in lieu of actual authentic and original evidence:

“he is mentioned by Jewish and Roman historians”
This is a lie as there is no mention of “Jesus” that originates from within the whole of the 1st century.

“The first Christian writings to talk about Jesus are the epistles of St Paul, and scholars agree that the earliest of these letters were written within 25 years of Jesus’s death at the very latest..”
This is a lie since the oldest individual texts merely attributed to “Paul” are from the 11th century or later. There are no two that are identical and nothing that validates or authenticates any of them. Also note that the oldest prototype bibles date from the late 4th century and are known as “Codex Siniaticus” and “Codex Vaticanus”. Both of these two primitive NT prototypes differ considerably from each other and the most complete (Codex Sinaiticus – available on line since 2008) differs from the 1611 KJV bible in more than 14,800 ways including the omission of two whole books that appear in Sinaiticus but are omitted from the KLV and all other more recently written NT bibles.

Some have recycled: ” As far as we know, the first author outside the church to mention Jesus is the Jewish historian Flavius Josephus, who wrote a history of Judaism around AD93. He has two references to Jesus. One of these is controversial because it is thought to be corrupted by Christian scribes (probably turning Josephus’s negative account into a more positive one), but the other is not suspicious – a reference to James, the brother of “Jesus, the so-called Christ”.”
There is not one single word in existence that was actually written by Flavius Josephus. The earliest text that is merely attributed to him was actually written by a christian scribe (forger!) at least ten centuries after the death of Josephus.

Some also recycle: “Roman politicians Pliny and Tacitus, who held some of the highest offices of state at the beginning of the second century AD. From Tacitus we learn that Jesus was executed while Pontius Pilate was the Roman prefect in charge of Judaea (AD26-36) and Tiberius was emperor (AD14-37) – reports that fit with the timeframe of the gospels. Pliny contributes the information that, where he was governor in northern Turkey, Christians worshipped Christ as a god. Neither of them liked Christians – Pliny writes of their “pig-headed obstinacy” and Tacitus calls their religion a destructive superstition.”
Again: There is not one single word in existence that was written by Pliny or Tacitus. In fact the oldest, fragment of a text merely attributed to Pliny is a hitherto unnoticed fragment of great significance not only to palaeographers, but to all students of the classics. It consists of six leaves of an early sixth-century manuscript of the Letters written by an anonymous scribe and merely attributed to the younger Pliny.
Tacitus? The first 6 books of the Annales survive in a single manuscript, now in the Biblioteca Medicea Laurenziana in Florence, where it is MS. plut. 68.1. Since this is the library of the Medici prince, Lorenzo the Magnificent, it is naturally called the Codex Mediceus, or M for short. This MS was written around 850AD in Germany.

It is fascinating that otherwise apparently intelligent folk still buy into the myths, legends, lies and so easily revealed propaganda?

Art~Spectrum
Art~Spectrum
3 years ago

The Medieval Papacy, crusading, and heresy, 1095 – 1291:

”From the 11th century, popes authorized crusades against Muslims in the Near East and from the 13th century against heretics. …

”The period 1198–1245 was crucial for the papacy’s development of the idea of crusading because for the first time popes began to authorize and promote crusades against heretics. This was a significant decision since they had previously concentrated their primary energies on authorizing crusades against Muslims in the Holy Land and Spain. …

In his influential work The Origin of the Idea of Crusade (1935), Carl Erdmann argued that from Late Antiquity the church had endorsed wars against heretics, an ‘internal’ threat to Christian society, much earlier than it had accepted those against ‘external’ Muslims, but that in the 11th century popes realized that the idea of such an internal crusade could not engender popular support.”

Crusade is a modern term, not found in Latin.

“Papal fears about the spread of the Cathar heresy in Europe and the ability of successive popes to wield temporal power in the Papal States encouraged 13th-century popes to use the idea of a crusade, already employed against Muslims in the Near East, to authorize wars against European enemies, including heretics. …

“Long before 13th-century popes called for crusades against heresy, their predecessors in the 11th and 12th centuries had sanctioned and authorized wars against those deemed the church’s enemies, promising spiritual benefits for those fighting on its behalf. …

“In the late 12th and early 13th century, fear of heresy centered on the Cathars and to a lesser extent the Waldensians.”

Section title: The Albigensian Crusade

And on it goes.

Yes, there WERE internal European “crusades” against “heretics”, so called.

http://centaur.reading.ac.uk/65562/1/9789004299856%20Rebecca%20Rist%20%282%29.pdf

rationalobservations?
rationalobservations?
3 years ago
Reply to  Art~Spectrum

Well it’s good that you have finally come around to recognising the blood soaked barbarity of christianity from the brutal and murderous imposition of the then heretical new 4th century founded Roman religion they called “christianity” that was imposed with the command “convert or die” through long Dark Ages of terror, torture, persecution and obstruction to the 9 genocidal crusades and on to 300 years of terror and torture of the inquisition during which ever more sophisticated instruments of torture were developed to prolong and intensify the agony of tghe victims of “the church”.

Art~Spectrum
Art~Spectrum
3 years ago

BIBLICAL Christianity had nothing to do with the violent bloody Crusades. The Catholic Church, Pope and bishops; and state-rulers swayed by them, kings and princes, had everything to do with the military expeditions.

And provocations of aggressive militant Islam.

So your “barbarity of christianity” is a defamation on the followers of original Eastern Christianity, whose Western followers, also suffered under knights of the cross, in times of enthroned secular power, menaced by the great Roman Church.

Gentle folk who followed the Scriptures, somewhat like Jews, were labeled among the “heretics”, because they would not bow knee to Catholic practices. And some died in conviction for their faith. Those who would not submit to the “State Religion”, on pain of sadistic torture and cruel death, unbowed to forceful demands of militant Catholicism.

One example, Christians faithful to Christ’s teachings, and others, lived in great peril under Catholic Mary I of England, or “Bloody Mary”, daughter of Catherine of Aragon.

Moving accounts written in Foxe’s Book of Martyrs, which in your ignorance, you insultingly labelled myth.

England’s Time of Catholic persecution.

That’s right, the horrors you describe were perpetrated by persons and bishoprics of the dominant European Church.

Again, my reference was to BIBLICAL Christianity.

A distinction you may not, and perhaps cannot understand.

rationalobservations?
rationalobservations?
3 years ago
Reply to  Art~Spectrum

Your non argument is exposed as unfounded by the fact that the oldest prototype bibles were written in Greek by western Roman Christians in the late 4th century and all the diverse and very different versions in circulation today are all products of the ersatz Roman religion or breakaway sub sects from that entirely western religion.

There is no historical trace of Messiah claimant named Yeshua/Jesus or of a 1st century messianic cult of anyone of that name.
The actual historical Messiah claimants and messianic cults have been denied by western christianity and contemporary followers of the successors of the 4th century originated Roman religion that survives in much modified form today.

Your bible has nothing to do with any first or second century historical non Jesus based eastern messianic cults.

Art~Spectrum
Art~Spectrum
3 years ago

Your fixation on one source (or a few), regarding how the Scriptures were canonized, and denial of history regarding Jesus Christ of Nazareth, testified to by mostly anti-Christian writers of the First Century, terminates this thread.

Apparently your anti-Biblical bias has blinded your reason, and anti-Christian hostility may have poisoned your mind.

Of cults and claimants, you are on a different page.

The Gospels proclaim the One Messenger, Prophet, Son of Man and Son of God, the Word from the beginning, whom you obviously utterly reject.

Your closing line is the greatest expression of your evident ignorance!

(By the way, the Bible is the inspired Word of God to the entire World, His operation manual for mankind, and gift to man, from pole to pole.)

Great men of ages past, far wiser than you, came to recognize and understand the divine inspiration read in the Scriptures.

Ridicule all you want.

Fini

rationalobservations?
rationalobservations?
3 years ago
Reply to  Art~Spectrum

You demand ridicule due to the ridiculous nature of your ignorant denial.
You accept no evidence and present no evidence.
Your mythology is ridiculous and your failure to defend that mythology has been established by every one of your entries throughout this thread.

I am doing my best to remedy at least some small part of your profound ignorance and stubborn gullibility. You will however, need to open that infantile and locked mind of yours and do a little intellectual work yourself if you are actually capable of that undertaking?

The rest of your diatribe of denial and ridiculous conspiracy theories are already debunked bunkum – as you well know!

Please do not think that you can proceed with this obfuscation, blanket facile denial and demonstration of your affliction with cognitive dissonance, profound ignorance and the Dunning-Kruger effect.

You have already demonstrated these failings and afflictions beyond all and any doubt, you , stupid, stupid failure.

I doubt that you will even be sensible enough to actually run away from all that confuses and confounds you, but if you do at least have that much sense, you will be no loss to any further evidence based discussion since you have failed to offer any evidence at all.
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Art~Spectrum
Art~Spectrum
3 years ago

What? I “demand ridicule”… Have you devolved?

I received your so called over-rated evidence with great skepticism. True.

In shadows of past fraud, and from what able Creationists have discovered, better informed than I, justified I think.

What’s “ridiculous” is the mythology which apparently has clouded your thinking, and evidently poisoned your mind. (Take off the blinders.) Its pagan strains are what the Bible warned against. Not what Scripture reflects, except in recounting Israel’s disastrous failures in compromise with neighboring pagan nations, during centuries of Homeland habitation. His people, like a wife turned unfaithful to her Husband, Israel spiritually committed adultery with the heathens.

Yes, of course, to believe a Supreme Being wrought the Universe of splendor, is infantile, and the mark of “profound ignorance”. — Well then, I’m in very good company: Kings and prophets, warriors and statesmen, inventors and scientists,… Great men and women of history, up to modern times, can be listed, who believed similarly. And with many of them, I’d dare say, a reason they were “great”, is because they held the Word of God in high esteem.

They knew, unlike spouting ignorant railings of biased skeptics, that Scripture was God-breathed.

Well, you’ll have to pardon me, if before barrage of insult-laced declarations of faith, I don’t take a submissive knee. — I’ll take a knee to men, only by someone breaking my legs!

To your proclaimed “mountains of evidence”, should I concede? Never shall be. Here and there, I’ve read critiques of areas of that supposed unassailable “evidence”. Then it either turns neutral by interpretation, or like distant mirage on a desert floor, into sand gradually fades.

As do unreal dreams in bright sunlit days.

Arguments debunked, or at least strongly challenged: “O, those pesky Creationists &%#&@, if only they’d go away! And stop discovering and exposing the blatant fraud (unacknowledged by the “priesthood”), foundation eroding weaknesses, skewed reasoning of worldview bias, and gaping holes in cherished hypothesis.”

Having a suppressive stranglehold on public education, grade-school to University, and orthodox command of all the airwaves, apparently, is not enough? Thankfully, the Internet has not yet been purged, by devout secularist Evolutionist activists, who in their jealous zeal, probably would censor and ban any anti-Evolution “heresy”.

— How far off is book burning?

Demean the messengers. Next step, throw their scrolls into the fire. Middle Ages style?

Well, after the “Dunning-Kruger effect”-lines (stealth insult slipped in, besides plain addressed), I should feel humiliated before your insufferable condescending attitude and self-elevated intellect?

There are those who vainly think themselves wise, but are actually fools in their intellectual pride.

“The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.”

— Ps. 14:1 (KJV)

rationalobservations?
rationalobservations?
3 years ago
Reply to  Art~Spectrum

The wise men with their intellect and knowledge say there are millions of gods and goddesses and they are all the nonexistent product of human imagination.

Your sad diatribe of denial and recycled garbage is familiar but ridiculous.

Art~Spectrum
Art~Spectrum
3 years ago

No man or woman, truly wise would ever say such a foolish thing.

An aspect of wisdom, is to recognize and acknowledge true reality. And to deal, respond or react to it, accordingly.

rationalobservations?
rationalobservations?
3 years ago
Reply to  Art~Spectrum

You consistently fail to validate, justify, defend or excuse the ridiculous religious fantasies you espouse and demonstrate no wisdom in your continual denial of all evidence based knowledge.

As you write: “An aspect of wisdom, is to recognise (spelling error corrected) and acknowledge true reality.”

Why do you fail to enact the wisdom you also espouse by actually recognising the reality that is all that is evidenced within the entirely natural universe we have no observed and measured in so much detail?

Your ignorance, gullibility and egotism has long been recognised.

So many millions of fake gods and goddesses and not a shred of evidence, or need, for any of them…

Art~Spectrum
Art~Spectrum
3 years ago

…”continual denial of all evidence based on knowledge”?

What “knowledge”? Evolutionary “science”? Atheists efforts to explain CREATION without a Creator? Mostly virtual, the “mountain of evidence”.

Those indoctrinated into the nonsensical Evolutionary worldview, have been miseducated to see phantom reinforcement of Evolution in the World and Universe, which displays and reveals Signature Creation.

Powerfully testified in the Living Cell. Awesomely shown in sudden beginning of enormous dimensional Spacetime, fine-tuned for planetary biosphere life.

(Agreed, “not a shred of evidence, or need for any of” of the “millions of fake gods and goddesses”.)
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rationalobservations?
rationalobservations?
3 years ago
Reply to  Art~Spectrum

Your ignorance has already been established as a fact as securely as evolution has already been established as a fact beyond all doubt.comment image

Art~Spectrum
Art~Spectrum
3 years ago

It is not I who embraces the obsurd hypothesis of Darwinian evolution of Earth’s Biosphere life. Or that the Universe “naturally” inflated into gigantic law-governed existence from some primordial It.
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rationalobservations?
rationalobservations?
3 years ago
Reply to  Art~Spectrum

The problem you (and other wacko creationists) have is that there is an ever growing mountain of evidence of and for evolution but no evidence of the existence of any of the millions of undetected and undetectable gods, goddesses and god-men or of any of the bizarre and unsupported creation mythology of the gods that was invented by men.
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rationalobservations?
rationalobservations?
3 years ago
Reply to  Art~Spectrum

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Art~Spectrum
Art~Spectrum
3 years ago

Dawkinsian to the end.
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“Mary Beatrice Midgley [1919 – 2018], was a British philosopher. A senior lecturer in philosophy at Newcastle University, she was known for her work on science, ethics and animal rights.”

“It influences not just our thought, but our feelings and actions too, in a way which goes far beyond its official function as a biological theory.”

Insightful.

rationalobservations?
rationalobservations?
3 years ago
Reply to  Art~Spectrum

Different times generated different forms of lunacy and delusion.

Please continue to demonstrate yours…

Art~Spectrum
Art~Spectrum
3 years ago

From deluded ignoramus, the voice speaks.

rationalobservations?
rationalobservations?
3 years ago
Reply to  Art~Spectrum

Yes, I know. Why do you keep on demonstrating your profound ignorance this way?

rationalobservations?
rationalobservations?
3 years ago
Reply to  Art~Spectrum

“Darwin proposed that creatures like us who, by their nature, are riven by strong emotional conflicts, and who have also the intelligence to be aware of those conflicts, absolutely need to develop a morality because they need a priority system by which to resolve them. The need for morality is a corollary of conflicts plus intellect:

‘Man, from the activity of his mental faculties, cannot avoid reflection. . . . Any animal whatever, endowed with well-marked social instincts, would inevitably acquire a moral sense or conscience as soon as its intellectual powers had become as well-developed, or anything like as well-developed as in man.’ – Charles Darwin, The Descent of Man

That (he said) is why we have within us the rudiments of such a priority system and why we have also an intense need to develop those rudiments. We try to shape our moralities in accordance with our deepest wishes so that we can in some degree harmonize our muddled and conflict-ridden emotional constitution, thus finding ourselves a way of life that suits it so far as is possible.

These systems are, therefore, something far deeper than mere social contracts made for convenience. They are not optional. They are a profound attempt — though of course usually an unsuccessful one — to shape our conflict-ridden life in a way that gives priority to the things that we care about most.

If this is right, then we are creatures whose evolved nature absolutely requires that we develop a morality. We need it in order to find our way in the world. The idea that we could live without any distinction between right and wrong is as strange as the idea that we — being creatures subject to gravitation — could live without any idea of up and down. That at least is Darwin’s idea and it seems to me to be one that deserves attention.

“Wickedness: An Open Debate,” The Philosopher’s Magazine, No. 14, Spring 2001”
― Mary Midgley

rationalobservations?
rationalobservations?
3 years ago
Reply to  Art~Spectrum

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Art~Spectrum
Art~Spectrum
3 years ago

“Evolution is a fact.” — And all us simpletons are supposed to except that expression of devotion, declaration of faith?

…”Scientific theories are based on lines of evidence […] and have been tested in many ways.” Yes, of course!

Really, by objective open-minded investigators? Like the Global Warming experts who “prove” anthropogenic Climate Change.

We poor dunces, have to be condescendingly lectured to about the elevated “science” of established Evolution. The self-convinced oracles of belief tell us, Don’t let your pointy-little heads be confused by the “deniers” of our naturalistic religion.

Manufactured secular religion, left exposed, fractured and broken by able Creationists. Hated for exposing its sand foundation. And all the slight-of-hand in its imposing Hall of Life History.

Name-calling and forms of intimidation: “Therefore, saying, ‘evolution is a theory’, highlights your ignorance of science”.

So, a unprovable thing generated the incredible Universe! An improbable chain of happy circumstance, spontaneously sparked biological—reproductive—life. Okay. Dear boys and girls, World-life Biosphere arose to populate the Darwin stick Tree. One based on “mountain of evidence”, never forget! Though a million unseen ghosts in the fossil record.

To question is ignorance. Got it.

Material atheist hypotheses of Evolution tells us so, because its backed-up by the false god of “science”! Man made, like all the other “millions of gods”, idols all, broken and buried.

And that is were elevated Evolution will wind up.

rationalobservations?
rationalobservations?
3 years ago
Reply to  Art~Spectrum

Your remarkable self identification as a “simpleton” and “dunce” is refreshingly honest for a delusional liar and wacko creationist.

We already recognised your sad condition but by all means continue to reinforce the status of ignorance and gullibility you have already so comprehensively established.

Your lunacy would be hilarious if it was not for the fact that you appear to really buy into it.

Art~Spectrum
Art~Spectrum
3 years ago

Your effort to humiliate me by verbal abuse, is revealing of your sorry state of mind. I’ve had just about enough of your name-calling!

rationalobservations?
rationalobservations?
3 years ago
Reply to  Art~Spectrum

If you find it so humiliating to be ridiculed, why do you continue to be so ridiculous?

Art~Spectrum
Art~Spectrum
3 years ago

This discourse is terminated.

rationalobservations?
rationalobservations?
3 years ago
Reply to  Art~Spectrum

You never engaged in evidence based discussion of your myths and fantasies so running away from further humiliation and disgrace is your best decision yet..

Your capitulation is accepted.

You can run but your lies and the truth will catch up with you..

Best wishes for a speedy recovery.

Art~Spectrum
Art~Spectrum
3 years ago

I am not advocating for broken pagan idols or hand-fashioned heathen gods of superstition, but poorly defending the Judaeo-Christian God of Heaven, that you in your anti-spiritual bias and material blindness, refuse to entertain or acknowledge, so steeped in your atheist dogma of pseudo-“science”.

rationalobservations?
rationalobservations?
3 years ago
Reply to  Art~Spectrum

The pagan god “Yahweh” belonged to the pantheon of many tribes and nations including the Canaanites before the tribes reinventing themselves as “Israelite” adopted those gods and goddesses and forcibly removed Ashera, the wife/consort of “Yahweh” and all other fake gods except for the fake god “Yahweh”.
The 4th century Roman religion they called “christianity” used a then recently invented god-man they called “Jesus” and much later they created pagan images of an executed criminal on a cross to worship in the absence of all tangible fictional undetected and undetectable gods goddesses and god-men.

There is no difference between all the fake religions and nonexistent gods.

Only your indoctrinated delusions blind you to these facts.

Art~Spectrum
Art~Spectrum
3 years ago

And your mind is darkened in material dogma, motivated by biased hostility through your ignorance (and I don’t care how many decrees you may have), and driven you to the edge of blasphemy.

You are lair. Your atheist followers may cheer you on, but your folly misleads you to a very bad place.

Amply demonstrated, you show yourself an ignorant fool. In your wanton blindness, you condemn yourself. Maybe you are just hopelessly deceived.

Whatever the case, spew your offensive and blasphemous slanders somewhere else! I have had enough of them.

rationalobservations?
rationalobservations?
3 years ago
Reply to  Art~Spectrum

I resent your accusation of “blasphemy”. I find no evidence of any of the imaginary undetected and undetectable gods, goddesses and god-men of mythology and ridicule the mythology, not the nonexistent super-spooks that never existed. However – if your imaginary god is so feeble that it needs you to stick up for it …..

You continually complain that you have had enough ridicule and humiliation – yet keep attracting more. Why is that?

Art~Spectrum
Art~Spectrum
3 years ago

Don’t misrepresent what I embrace or reject!

I reject your skewed, false-“science” orthodoxy. And its alleged “evidence”. A lot of which has been systematically picked-apart and dismantled. Or exposed as blatant falsehood.

I must and do accept true data-based Science. (Though I don’t always understand just how aspects thereof fit into Biblical revelation.)

rationalobservations?
rationalobservations?
3 years ago
Reply to  Art~Spectrum

You have conclusive established your condition of ignorance, gullibility and denial.
These further confirmations are superfluous.

Art~Spectrum
Art~Spectrum
3 years ago

One “asked by Lee Strobel [‘American Christian author and a former investigative journalist’] in ‘The Case for a Creator'” for a list of examples “of how he believes science points toward theism”. Mr. Stephen Meyer (‘American scientist, college professor and author’) responded with the following:

The Big Bang.

Anthropic Fine Tuning

Origin of Life

Evidence of Design

Cambrian Explosion

Human Consciousness.

rationalobservations?
rationalobservations?
3 years ago
Reply to  Art~Spectrum

Recycling myths, legends and unsupported evidence devoid propaganda – fails once again..

Art~Spectrum
Art~Spectrum
3 years ago

You sound like an indoctrinated cultist. Repeat your auto-programmed response somewhere else. I’ve had more than enough of your insult-hurling prideful attitude.

rationalobservations?
rationalobservations?
3 years ago
Reply to  Art~Spectrum

I have to admit that you made me laugh out loud at this accusation by a member of the tiny and rapidly declining cult of creationists calling the whole of mainstream science, scholarship and education a “cult”.

Run away now and reveal your cowardice and capitulation.
Your nonsense will not be missed…

IamBob
IamBob
3 years ago

I could write an entire essay on the blasphemous and utterly inane diatribe of this depraved individual who made these demonic claims. But I won’t.

Instead, one scripture suffices. Jesus said:

“You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.” John 8: 44

Small wonder, then, that Satan (Allah) would uses his ministers of darkness to perpetrate lies among those who know no better, being ignorant and contemptuous of the Scriptures.

felix1999
felix1999
3 years ago
Reply to  IamBob

From my perspective, Islam is the organized “religion” of Satan.

IamBob
IamBob
3 years ago
Reply to  felix1999

Absolutely is just that.

Dictated to Muhammed by a demon named ‘Gabriel’ and every principle, precept, law, commandment, etc. contained within the Koran sounds just like something Lucifer would say. Just the opposite of what the Bible says.

That is why the masses are so easily led astray by Islam. They lack even basic knowledge of the Scriptures and, therefore, biblical discernment.

jerrys
jerrys
3 years ago

BREAKING NEWS; The source of the Covid-19 virus has been found.

The Reverend Farakhan on his trip to the mother ship was given the virus to bring back to America to destroy the infidels

Jane_Dowe1366
Jane_Dowe1366
3 years ago

That jackass knows NOTHING about Christianity. He needs to shut his jihadi-mouth instead of spreading lies.

felix1999
felix1999
3 years ago
Reply to  Jane_Dowe1366

All Muslims do is lie. They are sociopathic or pathological liars.
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Dave
Dave
3 years ago
Reply to  felix1999

You have a good collection of posters! Surely Taqiyya is for all circumstances? Kitman will not work for much longer as the Koran can be checked for accompanying verses. The whole truth!

felix1999
felix1999
3 years ago

How come Muslims keep getting caught lying about their welfare and food stamp frauds? That is stealing from the tax payer pot. Yeah, I know, you rationalize it as a form of jizya. A reverse tax from unbelievers give you the imaginary right to steal and ways of stealing are only limited by the demented mind of a Muslim. Islam is and always has been a politically ideology posing as an evil “religion”.

As for Christians and Jews, it is explicitly stated as wrong. without qualifications. Islam can’t state that stealing ie wrong as an absolute rule. Any reference to stealing is conditional for Muslim. Stealing from nonbelievers is acceptable as long as it advances the Islamic agenda or aids Muslims by nonbelievers. BTW Muslims were stealing too and rioting. “Arab power” was one of the chants heard amongst the rioters and looters.
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Michelle
Michelle
3 years ago

Unfortunately he is partly correct: The rise of the west was due to Christianity and capitalism. Once there was some prosperity the Christian virtues in society began to play an important role. Christianity welcomes kindness, compassion, consideration and charity to all while under islam, muslims scarcely give it to their own. In Christian countries this manifested itself as less draconian legal punishments, attempted rehabilitation of criminals and more civil (see “hamstrung”) police. Had these riots occurred in any muslim sewer most would be dead or have lost limbs for theft. These initially Christian virtues have been taken over by the Left and prostituted to such a degree that the law and its enforcement in the west is a joke while the political and bureaucratic fat cats sit back and yawn.
We direly need a return to draconian punishments.

Grandma Dorothy
Grandma Dorothy
3 years ago
Reply to  Michelle

I am sitting here wondering just how he is allowed to be living in this country. Oh yeah, Obama. But our enemies should still be allowed to live here, should they? Some things this old woman in her 80’s still can’t comprehend how they have been allowed. I do agree with all that you’ve said.
May God have mercy on us…

Michelle
Michelle
3 years ago

I sit here in absolute disbelief at what is happening and what is allowed to happen in the west. I cannot help but feel that I am witnessing one of the greatest con jobs or the manipulations of fools to ever occur in history as they dismantle man’s greatest creation: the western welfare state.
I am slowly starting to realize that we are going to have to fight a nasty war to control and rid ourselves of these destructive parasites. That eventually will mean killing people and as Antifa seem to think that killing people like me as okay, I specifically mean them and their financial supporters.

Grandma Dorothy
Grandma Dorothy
3 years ago
Reply to  Michelle

I have to go along with you but I have seen it happen before, only to a lesser degree. Most of us have expected it to come to war for about 70 years now but at that time we thought it would end up a black on white thing. We didn’t realize about the Islamic jihadist at that time. I raised my kids (my baby is now 55) to have a respect for guns and to learn to shoot. For many years they have been making their own shells and going to a firing range was entertainment for them and their children. But this? These are trained killers and most of us talk a long time to just accepting shooting a rabbit or a deer so when it comes to man; we would do it for our self-protection but we’re not killers at heart. It won’t come easy but necessary if the time does come as we expect. Antifa seems to think that killing anyone is okay.
Hope you can get your mind off this and have a good weekend…

Michelle
Michelle
3 years ago

Thank you. I am not as vulnerable as I seem although I once was and that taught me a serious lesson about islam, leftists, NGOs and mankind. As a result I see a rabbit as more deserving of life than any muslim. I never really let all of this get me down as the internet is just an occasional respite from my serious work and the bad memories are locked away but their lessons are not forgotten.Congratulations on your family! You have trained them well.
You have a good weekend as well and may your God watch over you all.

Grandma Dorothy
Grandma Dorothy
3 years ago
Reply to  Michelle

I don’t see you as vulnerable at all. Honey, we all were – once upon a time and then life got hold of us and we learned, did we ever learn! But probably in different ways of course. We all have our stories that we hold within ourselves. Even the best of us have had things happen that we can never change and some we can never get over. You know the Bible teaches us not to hate and having been His since I was 12/13 I have a hard time with that for what I know, have heard and read about them, it is oh so hard to only dislike and not hate. Personally I didn’t get on a computer until my very last job, working in telecommunications as a civilian worker for our counties police department. Met my second husband there and when he retired, I wasn’t allowed to continue working but who could blame him as I worked the graveyard shift. lol Wouldn’t have made much of a marriage. Lost my first, the father of my children when that baby of mine was between 3-4 years old, during Vietnam. So the second was when I was around 50. Only had 12 years with each of them and they both died in the same month and on the same days just years apart. They say there are no such things as coincidences and as my oldest son said he thought the Lord saw how I still grieved their dad that He didn’t want me to go through that again and made it the same day. I like that though better than any other I’ve heard. I couldn’t have made it, raised the kids had it not been for Him. To many either take the Lord for granted or never get to really know Him. They don’t know what they are missing for the joy and love He gives to us is beyond belief. I wouldn’t trade my worst day with the Lord for a lifetime of the best the world has to offer. And I do mean that! : )
God bless you and give you peace…

Michelle
Michelle
3 years ago

I am not a Christian, nor am I Jewish but I appreciate your thought and I am aware of how important are belief structures to those who do believe and have no wish to unsettle this in anyone. My wish for the support for you of your god was based upon my image of you as such a believer. I am sorry to hear about your two husbands but I am sure that you are able to now cope. The internet is and can be a dangerous place for beliefs and POVs as there is always someone who will disagree. Nothing wrong with that as that is life. But some insist upon doing so rudely(not a shot at you by any means) while others go crazy if you dare disagree with their enchained views and I find such highly offensive when it occurs as it belies any possible claim to be a true Christian or a pious Jew. I am perfectly happy with my own belief structure and never evangelize as I find that to be insulting to both atheists and believers. Only muslims gain short shrift with me over their beliefs as I see islam as an ideology more than a religion. Must go. Stay well!

Grandma Dorothy
Grandma Dorothy
3 years ago
Reply to  Michelle

I should never assume. lol You are who you are. Since being here I have ‘talked’ to Christians, so-called Christians, people in false religions and cults, atheist, witches, satanist, Muslims and the list goes on. Two Islamic men and I had a long talk for days and of course we never agreed but it was all said and done respectful, which counted for much. Can’t say any one was worse than another and, we are all entitled to believe as we want. Those like me who did evangelize, find it hard at times to get away from it. Hey, I love many but that sure doesn’t mean that I like all of them by any means but I do accept them for who they are. I am mainly Scot-Irish and don’t know what all. lol Had a Swiss French step-grandfather from Switzerland and a great-grandmother that was full American Indian. I don’t see it as nationality that is upper most important but the character and heart of a person that counts the most. Oh hey, there are those times that I deserve a shot at, for when I get tired I sound like a mean old lady. But that isn’t my intention. I just say what I think and expect the same from others. But I do get too pushy at times, I’m sure, cause I feel so strongly about some things. I can only hope others forgive me for I don’t mean to offend. We are who we are and it’s either accept us or not. Simple enough. In my 80’s there’s not much time left for acceptance, but for the moment. It has been a pleasure ‘talking’ to you. Disregarding any nationality; I wish you well and I still wish peace in your life and that you will be blessed too… : )

Michelle
Michelle
3 years ago

.As I am alive I am perhaps blessed by fate as I have been nearly killed a dozen times at least. An old Christian friend says it is probably Satan as when he sees me coming he blocks it and runs which I find quite funny as my view of Satan, if anything, is that of Paradise Lost.

I understand totally the need for evangelism: the desire to share the good news but such news is really in the eye of the beholder.

You certainly never offended me at any time and I wish you peace and eternal happiness. Thank you for the interaction : )

Pax vobiscum et ut vos ire cum deo tuo

Grandma Dorothy
Grandma Dorothy
3 years ago
Reply to  Michelle

In my way of thinking I see that you’re still alive and have a purpose, something yet to be done.

My view of Satan is that he is the trouble maker. He dangles temptations before people, whispers in the ears of others and next thing you know they are attacking ‘whoever.’ All good things I see as coming from God, so bad is from Satan. But of course we do play our part in both.

I believe that to be Latin but the best I could do was “peace.” I’m sure I would appreciate your words though. Do take care and know I only wish you the best…

Michelle
Michelle
3 years ago

My Latin is very rusty and I may have made a mistake ….apologies
It should be: “Pax vobiscum et ut deus eo cum te semper” although you can jiggle the first one to almost mean the same
The essential meaning = “Peace be with you and may your god travel with you always”

Grandma Dorothy
Grandma Dorothy
3 years ago
Reply to  Michelle

Beautiful! Thank you Michelle.
I wish you well always…

Michelle
Michelle
3 years ago

.As I am alive I am perhaps blessed by fate as I have been nearly killed a dozen times at least. An old Christian friend says it is probably Satan as when he sees me coming he blocks it and runs which I find quite funny as my view of Satan, if anything, is that of Paradise Lost.

I understand totally the need for evangelism: the desire to share the good news but such news is really in the eye of the beholder.

You certainly never offended me at any time and I wish you peace and eternal happiness. Thank you for the interaction : )

Pax vobiscum et ut vos ire cum deo tuo

Michelle
Michelle
3 years ago

Unfortunately he is partly correct: The rise of the west was due to Christianity and capitalism. Once there was some prosperity the Christian virtues in society began to play an important role. Christianity welcomes kindness, compassion, consideration and charity to all while under islam, muslims scarcely give it to their own. In Christian countries this manifested itself as less draconian legal punishments, attempted rehabilitation of criminals and more civil (see “hamstrung”) police. Had these riots occurred in any muslim sewer most would be dead or have lost limbs for theft. These initially Christian virtues have been taken over by the Left and prostituted to such a degree that the law and its enforcement in the west is a joke while the political and bureaucratic fat cats sit back and yawn.
We direly need a return to draconian punishments.

CARRENO BARTOX
CARRENO BARTOX
3 years ago

Treat that muslim pig as he would treat a Christian who said the same about muslims.
Use Sharia law and in addition: wrap and bury him in a pigs skin.
Eventually add Obama, Tlaib, Omar and all the other goddam muslims in US.

Rob Porter
Rob Porter
3 years ago

What strikes me time and again is the utter stupidity and concocted nonsense dreamed up by imams and other Muslims to justify their mindlessly stupid and deeply prejudiced utterances. First, to them, it is Jews responsible for a multitude of social injustices and then, naturally, it is Christians. Of course, of course, after all Mohammad the non-prophet instructed Muslims to hate Jews and Christians. It’s all in the Qur’an. No really logical argument accompanies these stupid claims and utterances, but never mind, liberals and others of low mental capacity, the believe in nothings, the high on marijuana and other drugs, will swallow such nonsense, hook, line and sinker.

Dave
Dave
3 years ago

Maybe Muhammad should have become a Christian, then he could be forgiven for his sins of looting and murder. He did both, according to the Hadith.

Laddyboy
Laddyboy
3 years ago

Question; How is this ANIMAL in a position to teach HATRED to hundreds of others!!!!!!! This man admits adherence to an organization that DEMANDS America be destroyed. Public Law 414 STATES that “organizations and henceforth individuals who want to DESTROY America MUST NOT be allowed into America.”

old white guy
old white guy
3 years ago

Just think, there are American Christians who believe they are going to be able to live side by side with this evil.

John Acord
John Acord
3 years ago

If you cannot stop arsonists and looters from destroying your cities then how can we stop the Muslims from raking over and imposing Sharia law?The Muslims see a fatal weakness in our society and culture and we can expect they will use this as a pretext to gain power and influence.

jbaviera
jbaviera
3 years ago

Dumba$$ imam only has part it right. While Jesus DID die for our sins, he also directed us to sin no more! So, NO, Christianity isn’t the problem, the lack of Christianity IS the problem!

iprazhm
iprazhm
3 years ago

The muslim population in FL has expanded so much so that islam, and it’s Sharia law, are dominating certain City Councils, courts and police depts.

Leonard Payne
Leonard Payne
3 years ago

Just think ……. it this were under ‘islam” all of the looters would have had their hands cut-off,, the homos would be killed, and the rioters would be beaten to death.
Hey, Why the Hell not.

Sweetp Holt
Sweetp Holt
3 years ago
Owen_Morgan
Owen_Morgan
3 years ago

Yeah, that’s right, imam. It’s not as if prisons in the US, UK, Canada, France, Germany, Sweden, Australia are mysteriously awash with muslim criminals, is it?

Stephen Honig
Stephen Honig
3 years ago

I’m surprised the evil schmuck didn’t blame the Jews.

DutchessVegas
DutchessVegas
3 years ago

This guy is a lying racist fruitloop!

Why is he here in the U.S.A.!?
He’s the problem! Islam is a Satanic SICK BS religion that pushes this Anti-White Racism/ Anti-Christianity/ Anti-Semitism that is ripping us all apart.

mjazzguitar
mjazzguitar
3 years ago

Well, actually, no.
Our religion does not encourage us to steal from the Infidels, as yours does.

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