WATCH Registered Nurse in NYC Hospital: Patients are being left to die, no treatment, no drugs, “it’s murder” “it’s out of a horror movie”

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This video is a stunning indictment of NY Gov. Cuomo and Red Bill de Blasio but the Democrat media complex will make sure none of this gets out. I am sure YouTube will take it down. Facebook did. Share, share, share.

The Democrats need a higher death rate to justify the continued lockdowns. We are under attack by the enemy within.

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“People are sick but they don’t have to stay sick. They are killing them. They are not helping them. She used the word murder – coming from a nurse who went to New York City expecting to help patients, are left to rot and die, her words. She has never seen so much neglect. No one cares. They are cold and they don’t care anymore. It’s the blind leading the blind now.

A couple of weeks ago I was on with some nurse friends of mine and we were discussing different medications that could be used to potentially help people. Doctors who are reporting around the country that they were using combination of medications that were helping people.

People were not dying when they were on these medications. They were getting better. Those medications are not being used in hospitals in New York City.

What is happening is that they’re putting people on nasal canula. If they require more than six liters of nasal canula, they get intubated. They go on the vent or they get tricked if there’s not an event. They don’t get high flow, no non-rebreather, no non-invasive ventilation, no CPAP no BiPAP. They’re on a closed system the versus a CPAP or BiPAP for fear that it will spread the virus. Which, by the way, I know a nurse in Florida who was fired for exposing that about CPAP and BiPAP and patients being put on the ventilator like straightaway to the ventilator to be on a closed system.

The patients don’t know any better They don’t have family with them. there is no one there with them to advocate for them. So they are scared and they give consent. The ventilators have high peep high pressure which then causes Barrow trauma. It causes trauma to the lungs. Dr. siddell Cameron Kyle siddell a few weeks ago, put out a video, he’s in New York City and he put out a video saying something is not right like we’re not
treating this correctly. We’re doing something wrong. This doesn’t make sense. They pulled his video from YouTube and they took him out of ICU because they couldn’t have a one doctor going against the grain, going against their protocol. The protocol is propofol or some kind of sedation because they’re on a ventilator and IV antibiotics.

There’s no hydroxychloroquine. They’re not using that combination with a zithromax they’re not using the zinc, vitamin c, high doses of vitamins A and D. They laugh. This is what she’s told me. They laugh at that. She says this is a nightmare. it’s out of a horror movie. And I don’t want to be a part of this…..

There are people who are a full code and yet if they crash, they’re not doing compressions because it will spread the virus. Full code not doing compressions family is not there. They have no one to answer to. No one is being held accountable. A code was called and no one came so sometimes they’re not even resuscitating. People again left to rot and die they’re not given blood becausewe know that the blood is not oxygenated in these COVID patients. We know that there there are doctors all around the world sounding the alarms. These are the drugs that work this is the pathophysiology of the DS the disease. This is what’s happening. And for some reason it’s not changing even though we know, some of us know, what’s going on. Nothing is changing on the front lines. They stay in the same PPE all shift except for the top pair of gloves. So two pairs of gloves or maybe more than two but they’re only changing the gloves on the outside […] They’re carrying that contamination to all the patients they’re not changing. Their PPE they’re not going into rooms so they’re running long tubing into the room so that they can manage the tubing from outside of the rooms. So if they’re not going into the rooms that means they’re not assessing the patient’s as frequently as you would be otherwise assessing your patients. They are not doing rapid result tests. You’re lucky if you get results in five days okay — this is coming from my friend who is in New York City right now on assignment who went there to help and this is what she’s finding.

It’s a horror movie she says, not because of the disease, but because of the way it’s being handled. She said we need help and people are sitting there waiting in the hotels. Money I guess being paid it’s being paid for by FEMA and yet they’re still understaffed and there are hundreds of people ,hundreds of nurses in the hotels waiting to be called on to a shift so there is manpower if the goal were to actually save people but resources are not being utilized properly or to full capacity in a way that maximizes the patient benefit or improve the outcomes. The records and charting are crap. And now some of these hospitals in New York City are probably crappy on a good day so you add in the fear of COVID and the fear of the whole pandemic and forget it. So you’re dealing if you’re in a crappy Hospital with crappy nurses.

Let’s face it all those nurses have worked with crappy nurses who don’t care. So now you add in this forget it and they’re having people do things that they can’t do. So maybe things that they’re not proficient in so maybe a nurse who’s not familiar or comfortable with using a ventilator and it’s that ‘figure it out mentality,’  figureit out these patients are critical and they’re crashing, figure it out. So nurses are being celebrated as heroes. Right we see how like the fire trucks and and the police are like lining up and practically having these parades and celebrating them as heroes.

And don’t get me wrong I’m sure in some parts of the country and other ICS, I have friends that are working on the front lines and they are good nurses and some of them are heroes but we have nurses being celebrated as heroes who are killing people. They’re not heroes. And they’re being brainwashed to think they’re doing something great just by going to work. Because they’re brave enough to go to work. But what are you doing at work you’re certainly not saving people, you’re not even you’re not even running codes. You’re not even going into patient rooms. You’re a coward. You’re hurting people you’re killing them. You’re contributing to the problem.”

https://youtu.be/mUWwsHY2wss

“People are dying that don’t have to die.”

Raw transcript:
o viral I’m sure I’m gonna get some
00:03
hate messages after this frankly I don’t
00:05
care because this could save someone’s
00:07
life I’m a nurse practitioner I am
00:10
licensed and certified I am NOT on the
00:12
frontlines I have a friend in New York
00:14
City who’s on the frontlines and for her
00:17
safety she cannot come out and say these
00:20
things so I am her voice I’m not going
00:23
to name names of people or hospitals for
00:25
the safety of those involved but this is
00:29
her account okay I am her voice here I’m
00:31
gonna tell you what she has told me she
00:33
wants this to get out no I’m sure this
00:37
is not the case everywhere I am
00:39
confident I have friends that are in
00:41
other places there on the front lines or
00:42
an ICU and it’s not like this everywhere
00:45
but in New York City right now in some
00:48
of the hospitals this is what is going
00:50
on people are sick but they don’t have
00:54
to stay sick they are killing them they
00:58
are not helping them she used the word
01:01
murder coming from a nurse who went to
01:04
New York City expecting to help patients
01:10
are left to rot and die her words she
01:13
has never seen so much neglect no one
01:17
cares they are cold and they don’t care
01:20
anymore
01:20
it’s the blind leading the blind now a
01:25
couple of weeks ago I was on with some
01:27
nurse friends of mine and we were
01:29
discussing different medications that
01:30
could be used to potentially help people
01:32
doctors who are reporting around the
01:34
country that they were using combination
01:35
of medications that were helping people
01:37
people were not dying when they were on
01:39
these medications they were getting
01:40
better those medications are not being
01:43
used in hospitals in New York City what
01:46
is happening is that they’re putting
01:48
people on nasal canula if they require
01:50
more than six liters of nasal canula
01:53
they get intubated they go on the vent
01:56
or they get tricked if there’s not an
01:58
event
02:00
they don’t get high flow no
02:02
non-rebreather
02:03
no non-invasive ventilation no CPAP no
02:06
BiPAP they’re on a closed system the
02:10
versus a CPAP or BiPAP for fear that it
02:15
will spread the virus which by the way I
02:19
know a nurse in Florida who was fired
02:21
for exposing that about CPAP and BiPAP
02:23
and patients being put on the ventilator
02:26
like straightaway to the ventilator to
02:29
be on a closed system the patients don’t
02:32
know any better they don’t have family
02:34
with them there is no one there with
02:36
them to advocate for them so they are
02:38
scared and they give consent the
02:42
ventilators have high peep high pressure
02:46
which then causes Barrow trauma it
02:48
causes trauma to the lungs
02:50
dr. siddell Cameron Kyle siddell a few
02:57
weeks ago put out a video he’s in New
02:59
York City and he put out a video saying
03:02
something is not right like we’re not
03:03
treating this correctly we’re doing
03:06
something wrong this doesn’t make sense
03:08
they pulled his video from YouTube and
03:10
they took him out of ICU because they
03:13
couldn’t have a one doctor going against
03:14
the grain going against their protocol
03:16
the protocol is propofol or some kind of
03:20
sedation because they’re on a ventilator
03:22
and IV antibiotics
03:25
there’s no hydroxychloroquine they’re
03:28
not using that combination with a
03:30
zithromax they’re not using the zinc
03:31
vitamin c high doses of vitamins A and D
03:34
they laugh this is what she’s told me
03:36
they laugh at that she says this is a
03:39
nightmare it’s out of a horror movie and
03:41
I don’t want to be a part of this there
03:44
are people who are a full code and yet
03:48
if they crash they’re not doing
03:49
compressions because it will spread the
03:51
virus full code not doing compressions
03:55
family is not there they have no one to
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answer to no one is being held
03:59
accountable a code was called and no one
04:03
came so sometimes they’re not even
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resuscitating people again left to rot
04:09
and die they’re not given blood because
04:11
we know that the blood is not oxygenated
04:13
in these Kovac patients we know that
04:15
there there are doctors all around the
04:18
world sounding the alarms these are the
04:20
drugs that work this is the
04:22
pathophysiology of the DS the disease
04:23
this is what’s happening and for some
04:26
reason it’s not changing even though we
04:28
know some of us know what’s going on
04:30
nothing is changing on the front lines
04:33
they stay in the same PPE all shift
04:36
except for the top pair of gloves so two
04:39
pairs of gloves or maybe more than two
04:41
but they’re only changing the gloves on
04:43
the outside
04:44
gown mask whatever else stays the same
04:46
because all patients are covered
04:48
patients so it’s a co-ed floor it’s all
04:50
covin but it’s not because some of them
04:53
are rule out co-ed so even if they’re
04:55
rule out covert and they’re knocked over
04:57
they’re gonna get co-ed because they’re
04:58
using the same PPE tall shift and
05:00
they’re carrying that contamination to
05:01
all the patients they’re not changing
05:03
their PPE they’re not going into rooms
05:07
so they’re running long tubing into the
05:11
room so that they can manage the tubing
05:13
from outside of the rooms so if they’re
05:15
not going into the rooms that means
05:16
they’re not assessing the patient’s as
05:19
frequently as you would be otherwise
05:20
assessing your patients they are not
05:23
doing rapid result tests you’re lucky if
05:28
you get results in five days okay this
05:31
is coming from my friend who is in New
05:33
York City right now on assignment who
05:39
went there to help and this is what
05:41
she’s finding it’s a horror movie she
05:43
says not because of the disease but
05:47
because of the way it’s being handled
05:49
she said we need help and people are
05:51
sitting there waiting in the hotel’s
05:53
money I guess being paid it’s being paid
05:55
for by FEMA and yet they’re still
05:57
understaffed and there are hundreds of
05:59
people hundreds of nurses in the hotel’s
06:02
waiting to be called on to a shift so
06:05
there is manpower in us if the goal were
06:07
to actually save people but resources
06:10
are not being utilized properly or to
06:12
full capacity in a way that maximizes
06:15
the patient benefit or improve the
06:17
outcomes the records and charting are
06:19
crap and now some of these hospitals in
06:22
New York City are probably crappy on a
06:24
good day so you add in the fear of kovat
06:26
and the fear of the whole pandemic and
06:28
forget it so you’re dealing if you’re in
06:31
a crappy Hospital with crappy nurses
06:33
let’s face it all those nurses have
06:34
worked with crappy nurses
06:35
who don’t care so now you add in this
06:39
forget it and they’re having people do
06:41
things that they can’t do so maybe
06:44
things that they’re not proficient in so
06:46
maybe a nurse who’s not familiar or
06:48
comfortable with using a ventilator and
06:50
it’s that figure it out mentality figure
06:52
it out these patients are critical and
06:54
they’re crashing figure it out
06:56
so nurses are being celebrated as heroes
06:59
right we see how like the fire trucks
07:01
and and the police are like lining up
07:04
and practically having these parades and
07:06
celebrating them as heroes and don’t get
07:08
me wrong I’m sure in some parts of the
07:09
country and other ICS I have friends
07:11
that are working on the front lines and
07:12
I see you and they are good nurses and
07:13
some of them are heroes but we have
07:15
nurses being celebrated as heroes who
07:17
are killing people they’re not heroes
07:19
and they’re being brainwashed to think
07:21
they’re doing something great just by
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going to work because they’re brave
07:23
enough to go to work but what are you
07:25
doing at work you’re certainly not
07:26
saving people if you’re not even you’re
07:28
not even running codes you’re not even
07:31
going into patient rooms you’re a coward
07:33
you’re hurting people you’re killing
07:35
them you’re contributing to the problem
07:37
I know I’m gonna get hate mail for this
07:40
and that’s fine because people are dying
07:42
who don’t have to die again there’s no
07:46
family there so no one’s being held
07:48
accountable and once these people get
07:50
intubated they’re being scared into
07:53
giving consent to be intubated and then
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for a lot of them it’s over and there’s
07:57
nobody gonna be held accountable and
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there’s nobody looking out for them they
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are completely by themselves there’s
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like a total lack of critical thinking
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it’s out the window and people are
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scared to speak up and one person alone
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isn’t going to change the overall
08:12
culture of a hospital or a system or a
08:15
city like I said dr. Cameron Kyle Seidel
08:19
the video was pulled from YouTube and he
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was pulled from the ICU for sounding the
08:22
alarm and going against the grain so
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people are sounding the alarm it’s just
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not changing anything
08:28
apparently so what can you do buck the
08:31
system I’m really fortunate I don’t have
08:34
any family in New York City that I
08:36
personally have to worry about if there
08:37
are people that you are worried about or
08:39
maybe it’s not even New York City maybe
08:41
you’re in another city that’s being
08:42
really hard-hit and you’re just hearing
08:44
really bad things coming out
08:45
city buck the system something is wrong
08:48
in the system so go against the green
08:51
request records immediately records
08:57
transcripts immediately if there’s a
09:01
medication that you want your loved one
09:03
to be given report it as an at-home
09:06
medication and demand that it be
09:08
continued that’s just a tip from inside
09:10
the system if you want a medication to
09:12
be given you’ve got to report that it’s
09:15
an at-home medication and that you
09:16
demand that it be continued your loved
09:20
one is not going to have you in there
09:21
advocating for them once they go in
09:22
you’re not allowed in the only reports
09:26
that we’re able to get what’s going on
09:28
are coming from the inside and people
09:29
are afraid to speak out people have lost
09:32
their jobs do not give consent for
09:35
intubation if you don’t want to be
09:37
intubated or your loved one to be
09:39
intubated demand non-invasive or less
09:42
invasive ventilation methods as soon as
09:47
you give that consent you might not come
09:48
out of it now in some cases it might be
09:51
appropriate we just don’t know we know
09:53
that it’s being used inappropriately in
09:55
a lot of cases and that the ventilators
09:57
are making people worse
10:04
please share this video make it go viral
10:06
people need to know this this is the
10:08
truth of what’s going on from my nurse
10:10
friend who’s in New York City right now
10:11
on assignment this is murder she says
10:15
people are being murdered and no one
10:17
cares horrible care

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DemocracyRules
DemocracyRules
3 years ago

Genocide

Dorrie_
Dorrie_
3 years ago
Reply to  DemocracyRules

Thinning the herd . . .

mtman2
mtman2
3 years ago
Reply to  Dorrie_

HORRENDOUS
Auschwitz in NYC

Dustwitch
Dustwitch
3 years ago

This a horrible and I am hoping more people come forward to confirm this. Please, this is inhumane.

Dorrie_
Dorrie_
3 years ago
Reply to  Dustwitch

It’s inhuman. The e on the end suggests animals, not humans.

donna
donna
3 years ago

this is not the first time this site has claimed videos have been taken down which have not. I just, right now,looked and Dr. Siddell’s video is available on youtube. I don’t necessarily think substandard care is not being given in places but second hand reports from someone in another city over conversations with a friend are not helpful. It is also not news that many physicians think vitamin therapy is useless. Old story and nothing is going to change that until our public starts to push back against what they are told. I have a friend who is chair in a major metro hospital in NYC and I can tell you they are completely on top of issues regarding ventilation and its limitations. Pam needs to have her staff check certain claims before she posts

ruthy k
ruthy k
3 years ago
Reply to  donna

Sometimes it’s not down but won’t show up in a search even if the name of the video is searched. Crowder has a few vlogs on this. It is an effective form of suppression.

mtman2
mtman2
3 years ago
Reply to  donna

Here’s the deal Donna WE all know truth ain’t forth-coming from CNN MCNBC etc – so people are reporting best they can cause the Leftist media’s great tool is silence on truth…..!

eweturn
eweturn
3 years ago

I’ve seen this video posted quite a few places. After the other fake nurse videos, the anonymity, and I understand the reasons why, is a concern to me.

Dorrie_
Dorrie_
3 years ago
Reply to  eweturn

It was posted on social media yesterday. And today, it’s apparently still up and running. I’m wondering how truthful it is, but with NYC, one never knows…

mtman2
mtman2
3 years ago
Reply to  eweturn

Or Deblasio’d = they’ll send some to infect her and tube her from the hallway with NRO.

tyedyed69
tyedyed69
3 years ago

This is the future every where Democrats have been in power for decades. The Democrats policies are literally destroying everywhere they are in power. The Democrats do not care about The Citizens of The United States as shown bt their actions.

It is past time in 2020 and beyond to vote RED and Remove Every Democrat.

Bart's Bantering
Bart's Bantering
3 years ago

Excellent clip! Thank you for showing it.

How long will the evil left allow this to be on YouTube?
Someone please move it to Vimeo or another platform – YT and Google are eliminating ALL vids/search results that counter the massive lies of the evil Satanic left – such as doctors using UV light down a persons throat to his lungs to kill the so-called covid, doctors getting fantastic results from malaria drugs, vitamins, zinc, sunshine and on and on.
This IS a direct assault on this nation (and world) from the satanic left (NWO) for population control and removal of our basic human rights.

Jeanne Ballard
Jeanne Ballard
3 years ago

There is NO EXCUSE FOR THIS BEHAVIOR IN NYC NONE

BobSmith101
BobSmith101
3 years ago
Reply to  Jeanne Ballard

Over 50K dead. Not one MSM news report on what is being tried to stop the deaths.

Anyone willing to search hydroxychloroquine, zinc and antibiotics will find MDs world wide using the hydroxy cocktail with 90%+ positive results.

If Obama had suggested it, the hydroxy cocktail would be the primary treatment.

Because of Trump Derangement Syndrome, the progressives and MSM have blood on their hands.

leonore35
leonore35
3 years ago

Somebody is either not a medical professional or cannot spell. It is barotrauma not ‘Barrow’ trauma

Cayman
Cayman
3 years ago
Reply to  leonore35

Get real. Spelling is not the issue here. Some lay person transcribed the words – so what!

Commieobamie
Commieobamie
3 years ago

Can’t use PROVEN medication like HCQ because Trump bad. Must kill more people to promote Communism.

Boromir's Horn
Boromir's Horn
3 years ago

This video should be taken seriously. The New York area has more than 1/2 of all the deaths in the country. Something is wrong.

mtman2
mtman2
3 years ago
Reply to  Boromir's Horn

Sadly this was obvious in the
election of a sworn caloused Athiest Communist.

They are reapingcwhat they sowed…d

Imagine instead a real mayor Rudi Guluani there now…?

santashandler
santashandler
3 years ago

This is just scratching the surface as to the evil that is going on behind the scenes with this manufactured crisis. I hope this young woman’s message, and many more like hers, goes out far and wide.

mtman2
mtman2
3 years ago
Reply to  santashandler

Yes it should be offered to all lamestream media and documented….later if not used by them exposed to the nation as –
“accomplices to murder”…!

danE
danE
3 years ago

“Why worry, they are only Trump supporter’s!”

mtman2
mtman2
3 years ago
Reply to  danE

You might have it right there.

CARRENO  BARTOX
CARRENO BARTOX
3 years ago

We sent it to the US Embassy in Germany and other countries.
US is not China – but those hospitals and the Dem Mayor and Governor are may be more dangerous than the Chinese Communist Party…

MuhamMUDTheFakeProphet
MuhamMUDTheFakeProphet
3 years ago

I hope she’s not arkancided.

MuhamMUDTheFakeProphet
MuhamMUDTheFakeProphet
3 years ago

Before we treat you we have to know if you’re a registered Republican.

Mohammed_Goldberg
Mohammed_Goldberg
3 years ago

Elections have consequences, especially when you elect a corrupt goombah democRAT.

BigMG
BigMG
3 years ago

Murder for Votes…

Murder
for
Democrat

Votes

The True Story of COVID
The True Story of COVID
3 years ago

I believe her this is the true story.

The hospital directives need to change now.

Chris Cuomo hiding in his basement doesn’t help.

Thank you for this video and share this video.

Save lives now. Open the hospitals to support workers and nurses who want to help.

Charlotte
Charlotte
3 years ago

Communist de Blasio aka Bill WILHELM aka Nazi eugenist WANTS people to die.

Look who he just put in charge of ensuring New York is more racially just when it reopens. Are you laughing, or crying?
HIS WIFE.

mtman2
mtman2
3 years ago
Reply to  Charlotte

Yes = who lost $1.8-billion somehow somewhere.
Where’s the indictments…?

Ernie Lemos
Ernie Lemos
3 years ago

She said “people on nasal canula if they require more than six liters of nasal canula”
A nasal canula is a device and the six liters refers to the amount of oxygen being deliverd.
I read it as they needed 6 liters of nasal canula which threw me for a loop 🙂

Francis
Francis
3 years ago

Ted and Jane want to see world population down by 85%. This doesn’t surprise me.

mtman2
mtman2
3 years ago
Reply to  Francis

Ah well – that’d actually figure out to be 7-billion people murdered leaving a mere 500-million of various levels of slave classes.

*As set in stone in the Georgia GuideStones…

This Kung flu Wahoo was merely a test for compliance of the sheople classes- whom passed with flying colors… to scrape and bow to the DC God’s for bread……!

Grace Joy
Grace Joy
3 years ago
Reply to  mtman2

It’s the Great Reset https://www.weforum.org/

John Acord
John Acord
3 years ago

What you are witnessing is the Commiecrat vision of euthanasia. The fact Trump provided hospital ships, fully staffed and it was not utilized should make De Blasio and Cuoma subject to murder charges.It wa s a deliberae decision,not accidental or lapse in judgment.

Gamal
Gamal
3 years ago

Make CPAP into a closed system. Then this will stop.

Gamal
Gamal
3 years ago

No nurses are scared. You would be too. So they protect themselves at the expense of the patients. We need closed system CPAP and BIPAP so the nurses aren’t scared of giving it.

Roma Mikhasev
Roma Mikhasev
3 years ago

Is it all about Russia?

mtman2
mtman2
3 years ago
Reply to  Roma Mikhasev

Yup Putin put Trump up to it = everyone knows= saw it on CNN…..lol…!

mtman2
mtman2
3 years ago
Reply to  Roma Mikhasev

Yup Putin put Trump up to it = everyone knows= saw it on CNN…..lol…!

SJWtard
SJWtard
3 years ago

Sounds like BS to me but it is a democrat run state so who knows?

mtman2
mtman2
3 years ago
Reply to  SJWtard

Well it’s a NYC run State for they carry the votes….!

SJWtard
SJWtard
3 years ago
Reply to  mtman2

Yup.

Fuggitabowdit
Fuggitabowdit
3 years ago

ANYTIME a Dimm is running ANYHING, it will be COMPLETLY F’d UP. That’s just SOP for the low-down, low-info, LYING lefty loser libtaards. Who would expect a different outcome. On the other hand, 99% of these pathetic NY souls voted for exactly THAT.

mtman2
mtman2
3 years ago

This gal is a Patriot for honestly reporting…!
These animals need indictments-!!!

mtman2
mtman2
3 years ago

Dr. Faux-sh*t under Obama’s directive sent $3.7 million to the Wuhan facility for research help = he is a dirty filthy pharma rat.

Moreover he congratulated Hilliary for her “courageous telling off Congress” when being deposed sayIng –

“What difference at this point does it make they’re dead”..
*When asked “why she did nothing to help save Ambassador Stevens in Benghazi”…!

FAUXCI praised her for saying this over 4 murdered Americans on her watch…!

WVBonBonQueen
WVBonBonQueen
3 years ago

When the love of money is more important than life, there is a big problem with humans.
If they are paying more attention to how much money they can make, if they declare that any patient is Covid-19 infected, the system is wrong and should be changed.
Who is going to change it? Not the hospitals who are reaping all the rewards of that money, they won’t “cut off their nose, to spite their face.”
There needs to be people who investigate these charges and bring all of those who keep this attitude going, and hang them on the courthouse steps, until dead, to show the world that this kind of behavior will NOT be tolerated anymore. JMHO

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