[ April 19, 2024 ]
Exactly what Geller reported last week: Death rates of coronavirus may be HALF initial estimates by world health chiefs, promising study finds
Israeli Expert: Trump Right, World Health Organization Wrong on Coronavirus Death Rate
By: Aaron Klein Breitbart, March 24, 2020:
Story continues below advertisementIn the final analysis, mortality rates for coronavirus originally cited by President Donald Trump are going to be proven more accurate than the higher numbers claimed by the World Health Organization, according to an Israeli expert in epidemic modeling.
“Do you know what’s most absurd?” asked Dr. Dan Yamin. “That in the final analysis Trump was right. Not that the coronavirus is just plain flu – it absolutely isn’t – but as he put it: ‘This is just my hunch – way under 1 percent’ [will die].’”
Yamin heads the Laboratory for Epidemic Modeling and Analysis in Tel Aviv University’s engineering faculty, where he has developed models for predicting the spread of infectious diseases.
In an interview with Israel’s Haaretz newspaper, Yamin agreed with Trump’s assessment earlier this month that the World Health Organization’s 3.4 % global fatality rate for coronavirus is too high.
“Well, I think the 3.4% is really a false number,” Trump told Fox News on March 4.
“Now, this is just my hunch,” Trump said. “Based on a lot of conversations with a lot of people that do this, because a lot of people will have this, and it’s very mild – they’ll get better very rapidly, they don’t even see a doctor, they don’t even call a doctor.”
“You never hear about those people, so you can’t put them down in the category of the overall population, in terms of this corona flu, and/or virus. So you just can’t do that.”
Trump added:
So, if we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better just by, you know, sitting around and even going to work — some of them go to work, but they get better. And then, when you do have a death, like you have had in the state of Washington, like you had one in California — I believe you had one in New York — you know, all of a sudden, it seems like 3 or 4%, which is a very high number, as opposed to — as opposed to a fraction of 1%. But, again, they don’t — they don’t know about the easy cases, because the easy cases don’t go to the hospital. They don’t report to doctors or the hospital in many cases.
Yamin questioned the data being used to divine global mortality rates.
“When we look at the dry data, we see a very high mortality rate, of 4 to 7 percent, in countries like Italy and Spain, alongside far lower numbers in countries like Germany and South Korea.
“And then there’s China, though it’s very difficult to believe the numbers coming out of there – and in any event no country in the West can allow itself to adopt the measures that China adopted to contain the spread. Now ask yourself: How do you check the mortality rate in all those countries? You take the total number of deaths and divide it by the total of reported patients.”
Asked whether the research for mortality rates was biased, Yamin responded that it is “very biased.”
The doctor continued:
If I can only carry out few tests, I will test those who have the highest chance of becoming ill, and then, when I check the mortality rate among them, I will get very high numbers. But there is one country we can learn from: South Korea. South Korea has been coping with corona for a long time, more than most Western countries, and they lead in the number of tests per capita. Therefore, the official mortality rate there is 0.9 percent. But even in South Korea, not all the infected were tested – most have very mild symptoms.
The actual number of people who are sick with the virus in South Korea is at least double what’s being reported, so the chance of dying is at least twice as low, standing at about 0.45 percent – very far from the World Health Organization’s [global mortality] figure of 3.4 percent. And that’s already a reason for cautious optimism.
Yamin joins a chorus of other experts who agree that the mortality rate is likely lower than the WHO estimate and that as more testing is carried out the rate will fall.
“I think Trump is right,” said Paul A. Offit, who holds the Maurice R. Hilleman Chair of Vaccinology at the University of Pennsylvania.
Gary Kobinger, director of the Infectious Disease Research Center at Laval University in Quebec, pointed to mild or symptom-free infection numbers and said it would be unusual if those cases were not being missed. “There are mild cases that are undetected. This is why it’s spreading. Otherwise it would not be spreading because we would know where those cases are and they would be contained and that would be the end of it,” Kobinger told health website STAT.
Dr. Anthony Fauci, a member of Trump’s coronavirus taskforce and director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, coauthored an editorial in the New England Journal of Medicine arguing the mortality could be less than 1% due to the large number of people whose cases went unreported.
Fauci surmised that if the death rate is indeed lower then “the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza.”
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78 Comments
4 years ago
The lower incidence of death may be true but what is the importance of that statement? In any event the pandemic has caused major disruptions of societies and caused a huge number of deaths. In contrast to influenza there is no known vaccine at this point. That is why this pandemic is so terrifying!
4 years ago
Reply to
Schaps
This “pandemic”, term used loosely, has only been “terrifying” cowards, that are blithering idiots. Into that column, you may readily place politicians, such as Nohio’s (special emphasis upon the “No”) governor, little mikki dawhiner, forcing the closure of multiple thousands of businesses.
Cowardly sheep being led by cowardly sheep.
4 years ago
Reply to
Schaps
You should be more terrified of state and local governments, especially those run by leftist Democrats. They are malignant cancers on society, and mean to totally destroy the economy, our freedoms, and our way of life, all in service to the ChiComs to achieve their aim of having Trump taken out and their sock puppet Biden installed to finish off what Obama had been carrying out in totally destroying our manufacturing base and ensuring that EVERYTHING sold and used in this country is outsourced to China.
4 years ago
Reply to
Patriotic American
True. And beyond that you should respect what your pro-American government is requesting of you for the good of all!
4 years ago
Reply to
Schaps
Beyond that, where was the lockdown in 2009 when H1N1 broke open and tens of thousands died and six months passed before Obama even lifted a finger?
4 years ago
The head of the WHO, when health minister in Ethiopia, claimed an outbreak of cholera was nothing more than stomach aches as people were dying.
Why does anyone believe him or the WHO who made him the guy in charge?
4 years ago
Reply to
stephen5970
same people who wet themselves at the sound of “climate change”; mostly democrats and their european counterparts
4 years ago
Reply to
stephen5970
Just look at the track record of anything on the left. They reward failure and malfeasance with higher and higher positions of power and authority.
4 years ago
And yet, the entire U.S. is sitting at home, waiting for our “leaders” to tell us how to live our lives.
4 years ago
Reply to
santashandler
If you wanted a prime example of how the MAJORITY of Americans are sheep, and blithering idiots to boot, this should be enough to convince you.
4 years ago
Reply to
Achmed Mohandjob
Yeah, include a RUN on toilet paper and paper towels! It’s ridiculous!
4 years ago
Reply to
santashandler
NO! AMERICA are telling you to behave, temporarily for the good of the nation.
4 years ago
Reply to
Don39
What? For something that, to date, ain’t even 5% of the Mexican Swine Flu?
I never thought that I would see the day that America would turn into a MAJORITY nation of cowardly sheep being led by cowardly sheep.
4 years ago
BINGO!!!!! Waiting too long to start testing and not having the ability to identify the asymptomatic carriers will skew the numbers, making it appear to have a higher death rate. Have to account for all the variables, which is difficult when some can’t be measured.
4 years ago
Reply to
rambler
If someone feels slightly under the weather, but still maintains their normal routine, are you going to test that individual? Or, do you advocate the forced testing of everyone, in the U.S.?
I’ve seen socialistic fascists before, but … Ordering everyone living, in the United States, to a testing point … that’s a bit much, even for a socialist fascist.
Show me your papers.
4 years ago
Reply to
Achmed Mohandjob
I do not advocate for forced testing. We’re not China. In addition, there wouldn’t be enough staff, test kits or time to process all the test if they did try to do that. Some things are just not logistically possible to accomplish with in the time frame necessary.
4 years ago
Reply to
rambler
The Republic of Korea has been doing drive-through testing since mid February. Park, get swabbed, pull over and wait for your results. From start to finish, less than half an hour.
4 years ago
Reply to
rambler
The CDC is a joke. However, the testing can be blamed on the FDA and their requirements. It takes a long time for idiotic bureaucracies to move, even longer for the blithering idiots that work in them.
4 years ago
Reply to
Achmed Mohandjob
Gee, why are the politicians here making it so difficult. Almost like they are trying to keep people from being tested.
4 years ago
Reply to
santashandler
When the influenza season, 2017/2019 killed over 60,000 Americans, where were the little cowards screaming about being “tested”. And, don’t tell me that it’s because of an available vaccine. OVER half that died, had been inoculated.
4 years ago
Reply to
rambler
Democrats are DELIBERATELY letting this drag on (and allowing the count of those infected to rise, ditto for the number of deaths) in order to justify their fascistic power grabs and total evisceration of our civil liberties and people’s very ability to make a living.
4 years ago
many people will never admit that the donald is one smart american guy who can tell the difference between shiite and shinola. i’ll trust him over some bureaucrat from a 3rd world shiite hole anyday.
4 years ago
WHO is in bed with China. Initially WHO was stating this virus was not highly contagious to humans on tweets. WHO protects China.
4 years ago
Reply to
felix1999
WHO protects China……I’ll take….Who is Joe Biden and the democRATS for $2000 please, Alex…….
4 years ago
Reply to
ed
Could be like this ed –
THE GREAT CHINESE STAGE
1. Create a virus and the antidote.
2. Spread the virus.
3. A demonstration of efficiency, building hospitals in a few days. After all, you were already prepared, with the projects, ordering the equipment, hiring the labor, the water and sewage network, the prefabricated building materials and stocked in an impressive volume.
4. Cause chaos in the world, starting with Europe.
5. Quickly plaster the economy of dozens of countries.
6. Stop production lines in factories in other countries.
7. Cause stock markets to fall and buy companies at a bargain price.
8. Quickly control the epidemic in your country. After all, you were already prepared.
9. Lower the price of commodities, including the price of oil you buy on a large scale.
10. Get back to producing quickly while the world is at a standstill. Buy what you negotiated cheaply in the crisis and sell more expensive what is lacking in countries that have paralyzed their industries.
After all, you read more Confucius than Karl Marx.
*PS: Before laughing, read the book by Chinese colonels Qiao Liang and Wang Xiangsui, from 1999, “Unrestricted Warfare: China’s master plan to destroy America”, on Amazon, then we talk. It’s all there.*
Worth pondering..
Just Think about this…
How come Russia & North Korea are totally free of Covid- 19? Because they are staunch ally of China. Not a single case reported from this 2 countries. On the other hand South Korea / United Kingdom / Italy / Spain and Asia are severely hit. How come Wuhan is suddenly free from the deadly virus?
China will say that their drastic initial measures they took was very stern and Wuhan was locked down to contain the spread to other areas. I am sure they are using the Anti dode of the virus.
Why Beijing was not hit? Why only Wuhan? Kind of interesting to ponder upon.. right? Well ..Wuhan is open for business now. America and all the above mentioned countries are devastated financially. Soon American economy will collapse as planned by China. China knows it CANNOT defeat America militarily as USA is at present
THE MOST POWERFUL country in the world. So use the virus…to cripple the economy and paralyse the nation and its Defense capabilities. I’m sure Nancy Pelosi got a part in this. . to topple Trump. Lately President Trump was always telling of how GREAT American economy was improving in all fronts. The only way to destroy his vision of making AMERICA GREAT AGAIN is to create an economic havoc. Nancy Pelosi was unable to bring down Trump thru impeachment. ….so work along with China to destroy Trump by releasing a virus. Wuhan,s epidemic was a showcase. At the peak of the virus epidemic. ..
China’s President Xi Jinping…just wore a simple RM1 facemask to visit those effected areas. As President he should be covered from head to toe…..but it was not the case. He was already injected to resist any harm from the virus….that means a cure was already in place before the virus was released.
Some may ask….Bill Gates already predicted the outbreak in 2015…so the chinese agenda cannot be true. The answer is. ..YES…Bill Gates did predict. .but that prediction is based on a genuine virus outbreak. Now China is also telling that the virus was predicted well in advance. ….so that its agenda would play along well to match that prediction. China,s vision is to control the World economy by buying up stocks now from countries facing the brink of severe ECONOMIC COLLAPSE. Later China will announce that their Medical Researchers have found a cure to destroy the virus. Now China have other countries stocks in their arsenal and these countries will soon be slave to their master…CHINA.
Just Think about it …
The Doctor Who declared this virus was also Silenced by the Chinese Authorities…
Thoughts??
4 years ago
Reply to
Dave Glynn
All that may not be too far-fetched, Mr. Glynn. With the NWO…..anything is possible. Stay safe, and keep up the good fight as always, sir !!!
4 years ago
Reply to
Dave Glynn
Thanks for the chuckle.
I am so ashamed of what America has become. A land of cowardly sheep being led by cowardly sheep.
I needed the laugh.
4 years ago
Reply to
Achmed Mohandjob
It’s like a ghost town here mate.
Everything is closed down.
The truck was due to go in the garage for it’s MOT today and even they have phoned to cancel saying they’re locking down.
The world has gone fkn mad????
4 years ago
Reply to
Dave Glynn
Hitler, in his prime, didn’t have THIS much power.
In my lifetime, I never dreamt of such government control and cowardly sheep, pretending to be people.
When I say that I’m glad to be “on the back nine”, I mean that I am glad to be “on the back nine”.
4 years ago
Reply to
Achmed Mohandjob
When your 96 I will remind you of what you said when still a youngster????
4 years ago
Reply to
Dave Glynn
Unless things turn around, DRASTICALLY, and Americans become a free people …. I surely do NOT want to live to see 96.
4 years ago
Reply to
Achmed Mohandjob
It’s not just America Ach, the UK is much the same and so is the rest of the world. The MSM has jacked the hype up so much that people are panicking and accepting the withdrawal of all kinds of liberties. Did you see that David Ike vid I sent you earlier?
4 years ago
Reply to
Dave Glynn
News media telling lies is only fuel for the fire. If it wasn’t for a populace, made up of cowardly blithering idiots, it would have no effect.
On the video, I couldn’t get it to play … The old black screen with some message.
4 years ago
Reply to
Achmed Mohandjob
It’s a shame it wouldn’t play as it fits right in with exactly what you are talking about.
4 years ago
Reply to
Achmed Mohandjob
Technology can be very frustrating. It seems to go shite and then inexplicably mend itself.
I prefer the steam age????
4 years ago
Reply to
Dave Glynn
Teams of draft horses work just fine. Who needs any new fangled steam?
4 years ago
Reply to
Dave Glynn
That’s a Hardee’s wrapper. Same with the box of fries. Micky D’s isn’t serving frogs. They’re still serving bats.
4 years ago
Reply to
Achmed Mohandjob
I’m no expert on their menus but it wouldn’t surprise me if the Chinese eat frog burgers.
Them savages will eat anything and have plummeted in my estimation????
4 years ago
Reply to
Dave Glynn
Frog burgers … sounds like haute French cuisine. Although in your Hardee’s wrapper .. that looks more like a toad. Do the French eat toads?
4 years ago
WHO is in bed with China. Initially WHO was stating this virus was not highly contagious to humans on tweets. WHO protects China.
4 years ago
Bingo, not much worse than the seasonal flu and the flu is a bad hombre especially if it kills somebody you love. There’s no vaccine for SARS COVID-19 so we still need to avoid it.
4 years ago
… and if they Chloroquine phosphate / Hydroychloroquine therapies being tried continue to show promise with little or no side effects …
The whole thing could be over much faster than we thought.
I’m optimistic and praying for positive results…
As of this post … we have lost 790 Americans confirmed, our case rate is still skyrocketing (probably due to finally getting the tests out there). … I’ve ‘heard’ – literally on the radio – that we have had about 400k tests so far. If that’s true about 86% of the tests are negative. We’re still getting a lot of folks with the flu or a cold.
But Italy’s case rate seems to be rolling over, and if that’s confirmed, we should be rolling over too. Supposedly, we’re a couple of weeks behind them.
Stay well, stay safe, and happy quarantining everyone!
4 years ago
Reply to
Dan Knight
Quote: Gary Kobinger, director of the Infectious Disease Research Center at
Laval University in Quebec, pointed to mild or symptom-free infection
numbers and said it would be unusual if those cases were not being
missed.Quote: “There are mild cases that are undetected. This is why it’s spreading.
Otherwise it would not be spreading because we would know where those
cases are and they would be contained and that would be the end of it,”
Kobinger told health website STAT.
Transmissivity is high … because most cases are mild and undetectable.
Gee … who knew?
4 years ago
Reply to
Dan Knight
And the Governor of Nevada just made those drugs illegal…. check it out.
4 years ago
Reply to
plusaf
He thinks he has. But can he do it legally and how long before the people call him on it?
4 years ago
Reply to
Don39
Hi, Don39. I believe this entire scenario is/was a trial at how easy it is to lead the American Cowardly Sheep. They stood for government officials shutting down businesses, like Nohio’s (special emphasis upon the “No”) governor, little mikki dawhiner.
They made runs on stores. Fights over toilet paper have been posted on youtube.
First question that they asked themselves, are Americans really THAT stupid and THAT cowardly?
Through this manufactured crisis … they found the answer to be an emphatic YES!
4 years ago
Reply to
plusaf
Yes … I saw that. Yes, Demokkkrats – and not a few RINOs – think they know best. … And will do anything to fight their real enemy, which is us.
Honestly, I think Governor Sisolak just can’t stand the idea that the whole Chinese-Wuhan Virus thing might be “over” – as in under control – and Trump may get some of the credit for leading us out of the woods.
Just MHO, but I think Sisolak just proved that these drugs and their related therapies are effective …
you and yours stay safe, and have a great week!
4 years ago
Reply to
Dan Knight
Chloroquine is not a cure. It can help some. There are stories of some who took it for Malaria & had psychotic breaks. Remember, 98% cure rate. Meanwhile, they allow Muslim “immigrants” freedom to run around infecting everyone, Merkel even left the borders open for them. “Migrant labor was to blame for coronavirus spread in both Iran & Italy:”
https://summit.news/2020/03/19/migrant-labor-was-to-blame-for-coronavirus-spread-in-both-iran-italy/
“Scientists find drugs & compounds that could potentially be effective against COVID-19.” Denmark has legalized forced vaccinations already. Locking down countries, talk of forced vaccinations, destroyed economies, $2TRILLION to fight it in USA . . . 98% cure rate.
4 years ago
Reply to
Grace Joy
Excellent point … certainly did not mean to imply the drug cocktails were a cure …
… just that they could shorten the crisis if the results continue to be promising…
Stay safe, and God bless!
4 years ago
I believe it was Benjamin Disraeli who said, “There are two kinds of lies, lies and statistics.”
4 years ago
The UN exist to rape the US!
4 years ago
Funny that Trump is right more than the democRATS, who say he LIES all the time…..
4 years ago
The UN is a collection of LibTard morons who select the biggest idiot to be their agency heads. The UN consumes vast amount of resources without providing any benefits whatsoever.In fact,their actions deplete the world’s capital.
4 years ago
World Health Organization – red, muslim mob.
4 years ago
Trump seems to be right ALOT.
4 years ago
Italy has 69,000 cases with 6,800 deaths… <<< That's a 10% death rate…
Spain has… 39,000 cases with 2,800 deaths… <<< That's nearly a 10% death rate…
Yeah… it's really quite easy to take the numbers and pick & choose which ones fit the propaganda…
4 years ago
Reply to
sumsrent
Smoking and vaping in Italy is extremely high. Vaping in our country is extremely high. All of which hurt the lungs. Italy smoking rate is 28%, USA is 20%. Vaping probably off the charts since most experts say at least 25% of HS students vape now. Not sure I believe that number, but if true look out when they start getting this virus.
4 years ago
Peak Prosperity reports:
Why is face mask use – proven to be effective at stopping disease – not being promoted for general use?
The American government… failed to stockpile Masks and had no plan to ramp up production…
Instead of being honest… chose to shame the public into not buying masks…
4 years ago
Reply to
sumsrent
Why would our government have hundreds of millions, if not billions, of masks just laying around for us to wear? Talk about a waste of money. By the way, kind of hard to ramp up production when the left, and other greedy morons, has allowed China to produce most of our goods. We virtually have no clothing production left in this country. Are they going to make them by hand?
4 years ago
Reply to
Kendall
Why? For emergency staff… caring for the sick during a Pandemic. If the staff all get sick… then there’s no one to care for the infected…
During the Great Depression… most Americans couldn’t afford new clothing… and they wore their tattered old clothing for years and years… and used old tires to resole their shoes…
4 years ago
Funny how those of us with a brain have been saying this for weeks now. They GUESS on the amount of seasonal flu cases to get to the 36 plus million in this country so far. They have tested just over 1 million, with 225000 positive tests. But they use the GUESS number to give us the “death rate” of .1%. When they start using the GUESS numbers for this virus then I will believe they have finally gotten past the political, to kill our economy and Trump.
4 years ago
This entire article, while well meaning, is a prime example of disinformation. It discusses the number of deaths and refers repeatedly to the “mortality rates for coronavirus”, or how many people died from the coronavirus; maybe 1% instead of 3% or 4%. IRRESPONSIBLE because the casual reader, regular person, is being led to believe this is a percentage of the overall population that might/will die from coronavirus. This couldn’t be further from the truth. These quotes FAIL to use the proper name for these rates: it is the case fatality rate (CFR) — the proportion of deaths from a certain disease compared to the total number of people diagnosed with the disease. This is a HUGE distinction. The rate of deaths from the coronavirus is as follows:
today’s number of US deaths is 922. divided by the US population (360,000,000) is: 0.00000279. MINISCULE. Nowhere near even 1 percent. Actually about 3/ten thousandths of one percent. Your chances of getting this virus are almost impossible. 279/100,000,000
