[ April 23, 2024 ]
I have long written on the inherent failures of jihad de-radicalization programs. They are doomed to failure because they do not address the root cause, the motive for holy war – Islamic texts and teachings.
These counter terror and “deradicalization” programs are nothing more than charters for surrender. Of all the absurd and ludicrous responses by leftist elites to the jihad threat, “deradicalization” ranks as the most inane. How can a program claim to address the ideological motive behind acts of war without addressing the ideology? These absurd programs are based on the idea that Islam is a Religion of Peace, and that jihad terrorists are misunderstanding it. But this is false, so the programs are a failure.
The only deradicalization center in France, for example, was closed down because of the high failure rate, which was foredoomed since it was never going to deal with motive.
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Deal with motive, end jihad recruitment and preaching in prisons, and demand that the mosques stop preaching jihad and submit to being monitored? This program is foredoomed as well.
Husband, wife who underwent deradicalization program behind bombing of Philippines cathedral: police
By Lucia I. Suarez Sang, FOX News, July 25, 2019
An Indonesian husband and wife who had taken part in a government-sponsored deradicalization program are believed to be the masterminds of a suicide bombing of a Roman Catholic cathedral in the southern Philippines earlier this year that killed more than 20 people.
Police said Tuesday they believe Rullie Rian Zeke and his wife, Ulfah Handayani Saleh, detonated two bombs minutes inside the Cathedral of Our Lady of Mount Carmel in Jolu, Suly province, during Sunday service on January 27.
Twenty people were killed and 102 others injured. The Islamic State claimed responsibility for the attack.
Inside a Roman Catholic cathedral in Jolo, the capital of Sulu province in the southern Philippines, after two bombs exploded.
Police said Tuesday, July 23, 2019, they believe an Indonesian husband and wife carried out the suicide bombing of a cathedral in the southern Philippines in January that killed more than 20 people.
Indonesia’s National Police spokesman Dedi Prasetyo said Tuesday they identified Zeke and Saleh as the perpetrators of the attack after they arrested an Islamic militant in East Kalimantan last month. He said the militant, identified only as Yoga, confessed that he’d recruited the couple for the Philippine bombing.
Yoga reportedly told police that he and the couple he recruited for the bombing were part of the Jemaah Anshorut Daulah, a banned Islamic extremist organization in Indonesia that allies itself with ISIS.
The couple’s alleged role in the bombing highlights links between militants across Southeast Asia. Authorities in the region are concerned of Indonesian, Malaysian and Philippine citizens who joined ISIS in Syria and Iraq returning home and carrying out attacks.
Prasetyo said Zeke and Saleh had previously failed in an attempt to reach Syria with their children, and after returning to Indonesia underwent a government deradicalization program before being released
Some Indonesian militants had tried to reach Afghanistan after the defeat of ISIS in Syria and Iraq, he added, including a man arrested in a Jakarta satellite city who planned a suicide bombing during protests in May against the results of Indonesia’s presidential election.
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56 Comments
4 years ago
Of course deradicalization will always fail if you don’t deradicalize the Quran itself.
4 years ago
Reply to
SeveredSeclusiveIdiom
Quran has never been fluffy anyway.
Just ask a cyber hacker to take all the copies and encrypt with a key so it will never be recovered again
4 years ago
Reply to
Jerry Dobson
Who cares what any given f’ing muslum states? The muslum religion not only sacralises lying to fools like you it codifies it.
4 years ago
And the clown Left/liberal Pope wants christians to take in more of these Islamic wolves http://tinyurl.com/ydy8fkhl
Insane or stupid ?
4 years ago
Reply to
MAS
hmm .maybe . but to be evil , you need to have intelligence and guts or be muslim.
He does not. He is Typical leftist loon appeaser of evil muslims.
4 years ago
Reply to
Suresh
Yes tho Commune-ism is a construct of the Globalist plan to subject the masses to “government as god” as it is totally anti-God(anti-Christ) = all to eventually coelesce their various controlled constructs(UN/EU/false religions/deepstates+Party’s) under a one world government in a NWO.
For “The love of money” goes hand in hand with love of power + control….well the bankster-Globalist’s own the monetary control systems of the world as well as all major corporations.
Their planned collapse of these systems will usher in the final leg of their plan= a borderless OneWorldGovernment called the NWO.
See John’s “REVELATION” as well as prophecy of it thru-out the Scriptures for millenia.
4 years ago
Forget the words radicalize and deradicalized. The radical ones are the devout and true believers. ISIS are devout muslims.
4 years ago
Reply to
Victor
If one is a “non-observant” muslum WTF is that supposed to imply worm? Who the f*ck are your “non-observant” muslums going to side with worm? The kuffar? Or the Ummah?
4 years ago
It is a certainty that insanity is a pandemic when it comes to dealing with psycho Islam and its psychopathic disciples. It goes beyond insanity, as in truth it is by evil design, primarily through the once-upon-a-time Democratic West. Deradicalization of Jihadis is based on utter, ignorance, denial, but more so, it is an artful ruse of deception to strengthen, enable Islam’s intent of a worldwide caliphate. The enablers are those not only in Indonesia but the fallacious West’s bent of Globalization and Islamification.
The Muslim/Islam’s DNA is one of debauchery, perversity, nihilism, hate, and the eventual genocide of all non-believers. Moreover, if the West continues this madness or never-ending burying one’s head in one’s favorite orifice, the West, not merely the ME or the likes of Indonesia are doomed. Deradicalization is but smoke-and-mirrors to persuade the Leftist dullards, the gullible that there is light at the end of the tunnel. The only light is a flash before one’s eyes when a Jihadi blows himself/herself to smithereens along with copious non-Muslim victims.
4 years ago
Reply to
Ziggy46
Timurlane/Tamerlane went to war w/other muslums because he felt they weren’t doing enough to convert the unbelievers in islum. This was an issue because these muslum states had become addicted to jizya. In some muslum states it was forbidden for unbelievers in islum to convert to islum so as to insure the flow of ready jizya into the muslum states’ coffers.
4 years ago
I have a de-radicalization program:
STOP letting them come here!
(stop doing stupid surveys like the ADL does to determine the level of anti-semitism. people lie in surveys. look at their school textbooks. look at their TV shows like Al-Jez-crapa. those are large distribution systems that define a society).
4 years ago
The Only way to Really Deradicalize a Muslim: Either They Freely, Sincerely & PEACEFULLY CONVERT to a Non Satanic Religion or THEY MUST BE KILLED. Stop saying: We can’t do That – OK – BUT THEY WILL DO THAT TO YOU & YOUR FAMILY AFTER THEY BEAT, RAPE & TORTURE THE CHILDREN & FEMALES. Pray for PEACE – Prepare for WAR!
4 years ago
Reply to
Zero Nada
How would you go about insuring any given muslum has “sincerely” converted to another religion or no religion at all? Especially considering the fact the muslum religion expressly condones lying in such circumstances?
4 years ago
Reply to
MuhamMUDTheFakeProphet
Great Point. We could just go straight Hitler on them if you think that would be better.
4 years ago
Best news today. Lots for those for treason and those driving left organisations and programs
Trump reinstates death penalty for federal crimes
https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6063994579001
4 years ago
Does deradicalization = moderate muslims?…NO….
There is no such a thing as a moderate muslim.
4 years ago
These silly programs are designed by liberal psychologists and have a very high failure rate. the only psychologist that makes any sense is Dr. phil and he did not design any fake course to change minds.
4 years ago
Trying to de-radicalize a moslem is like trying to make a pedofile not want to molest children. It can’t be done. No cure.
4 years ago
Reply to
Citizen 1949
Lobotomies might work and the muslums would have a lot less to bleat about too boot!
4 years ago
They should execute these people. It would save lives and people like them would die regardless if they committed a suicide attack. It’s not like they want to live…
4 years ago
So the music therapy didn’t work?!!!
Huh!!!
I guess we should inform Canadians that the art therapy their PM, Jihadi Justin Trudeau gives to returning ISIS Jihadists is not too effective.
But who can we get to tell them? CBC? CTV? Global? CNN? ABC? MSNBC?
Who will tell them the truth? Who?
Can anyone tell me?
4 years ago
Pamela, I’m afraid it’s like baking a cake once you put the ingredients in and bake it, it’s baked. Islam/Quran is obviously an insane ingredient but so is liberal
western blindness…
4 years ago
That little island, southwest of Zamboanga, which is on Mindanao, is in an Autonomous Region. 97% muzzies.
Muslim missionaries were more effective then the Christian ones, I guess. Or more likely, brain-dead people are more attracted to totalitarian type religions.
4 years ago
Reply to
Bill
Maybe an “ethnic cleansing”, too.
https:// gulfnews. com/world/asia/philippines/36-rebels-surrender-in-zamboanga-1.1235320
https://www.worldtribune.com/ahem-mr-president-the-war-on-terror-is-far-from-over/
Ahem, Mr. President (Obama): The War on Terror is far from over
By World Tribune on September 23, 2013
“If the Boston Massacre and the growing Syrian Civil War jihadist outrages were not self-evident, the bloody attack on innocents at the Nairobi, Kenya, mall provide new evidence that the international terrorist conspiracy continues virtually unabated.
The perpetrators were Islamic jihadists, apparently members of the al Shahid thugs in neighboring Somalia who call themselves adherents of Al Qaida. So, despite all the obfuscation of the Obama administration and its adherents, The War On Terrorism goes on and Washington will be forced to fight it under whatever name and probably with growing resources.”
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(Interesting that it seems according to articles in news that Ahmed Elmi was in Nairobi about this time. IMO, this is the real reason that Ilhan Omar married her brother. It was to give him a cover for getting back into the U.S. since he’d already gone to Arlington H.S. in St. Paul, MN and then graduated from NDSU where she had also graduated previously.)
4 years ago
I say the same thing! You cannot de-radicalise these psychopaths because it’s a core belief system they believe in, so the core needs to be eradicated!
They are taught that they are right no matter what logical teachings are explained or shown to them and if you strongly have an unshakable faith…it would need to be Allah or Mohammed themselves to get them to change their minds….and that is not going to happen!
4 years ago
Deradicalizatiion only occurs the instant you blow yourself up. No other methods work as well.
4 years ago
These ridiculous deradicalization programs have failure rate that eclipses that of AA by a country mile.
Q: What is the difference between a drunk and an alcoholic?
A: A drunk doesn’t go to those Tuesday night meetings.
4 years ago
Never can a Muslim change his colours if still a Muslim as they always follow the Quran and terrorism is a good deed and goes towards their paradise no matter how many they kill. He wants his 21 Virgins and she her deficated lover. What happens to her lovers 21 Virgins in Paradise. She is a blimming fool.
4 years ago
Reply to
knightsstrength
Any so-called religion that makes the promise of sexual satisfaction a reward for loyalty is one huge sick JOKE!
4 years ago
Only a clueless secularist would ever believe they could ‘de-radicalize’ someone who takes their religion seriously.
Could an observant Jew be talked out of his beliefs? Could a Christian? No. Thousands have gone voluntarily to their deaths rather than deny God.
4 years ago
Reply to
ahem
You make an excellent point. There is such hypocracy in what those people are doing. They demand respect for the idea that Islam is a religion, and they actually spent time and money trying to talk muslims out of their religious beliefs. They don’t do that with Scientology, which is as big a scam as you can find, and which has been banned in some European nations.
There is so much BS and cowardice behind the mentality of these moderate peacenik types. They have a right to their opinions, but for God’s sake, they are putting all of us in danger with their stupidity by masquerading as understanding and loving people.
4 years ago
Anyone surprised?
4 years ago
4 years ago
Reply to
AR154U☑ᵀʳᵘᵐᵖ DEPLORABLE 2020
Why would muslims accept multiculturalism when they have the market cornered on mutilationism?
4 years ago
The only cure for Satanically inspired IS-LAME is the the Love, truth + power of Christ- of which the Koran teaches the true exact opposite and intentionally loosed on the world to counter + kill Christians + Christianity- while subjecting its enslaved followers to a lifetime of fear + threat of death.
4 years ago
Reply to
mtman2
True, and there are more factors entering our situation as Christians in a nation dedicated to liberty and freedom. We are prohibited from cleaning up our nation with the only tool that works on muslims, and that is the death penalty. But we as citizens are not allowed to deliver that, so our only alternative is to influence our governamnet to take a stand for liberty and freedom by banning all muslims and any other teachers of insane brutality and perversion, i.e. communists and socialists.
If our nation were to cooperate with all the other nations that practice national ideals similar to ours, and declare total war against nations that punish liberty and freedom, then we win. But as long as we have socialists (who are nothing but commies with no cohones) rampant in our congress and courts, we don’t stand a chance.
There is only a handful of politicians who have stood for the basic foundational American ideals right now in the “nasty now or never” present period, and President Trump is their leader. Trump needs to win in 2020 or America is toast. But it will take far more than just a win in that election. The new majority must take the attitude that America’s back is to the wall and that she is targeted by numerous enemies, the worst of which are muslims within our borders. Next are communists within our borders. Next are the socialsist within our borders. Over time, they all need to be shown for the liars and useless waste that they are.
It is a huge undertaking that is imperative if we are to succeed as the followers and kinsmen of our Founding Fathers. If we, all of us here on this forum, fail in our efforts, America fails, and the rest of the world fails right behind America. We are the armour of the world and once we are gone, the world is in the hands of muslims and communists.
4 years ago
“Deradicalizations programs” = To pagan devotees, afforded Re-Introduction Opportunities, made possible by dangerous deluded leaders: Qur’an followers ushered through civilized gateway passages, for chance to plot slaughter.
Left elites (and others), into societies, open jihad possibilities.
“You sought barbarism, or badly savaged us.” Dead & wounded, blast-zones scattered. (Or in visions desired.) “Now, please, let us express superior magnanimity, like ‘Humanitarian Superpower’ Sweden: in liberal ‘compassion’, may we offer inclusive-embrace: provide chance to enlighten you in Islam’s [ aggressive political ] ‘Religion of Peace'”
Thereby, elites themselves condemn, imperil & wrong (East & West) citizens; pour contempt on past victims, while trampling Justice under foot! Their self-righteous robes, stained with blood of the slain!
“In multicultural wisdom, they cry ‘Welcome!’ Let us humbly bow to you, as we offer our hand of friendship. That among us, dear Muslims, with Mohammed ‘faith’ may reconnect. Then, you may live peacefully, and walk with us as brothers.”
Reintroduced to Christian societies, pagan-god-worshiping aliens, where jihad sleeper-cells may arise.
Escorted in by fools, vicious harbored wolves, midst sheepfolds cruelly loosed! — Liberal utopia (mirage of ideology-stricken). — Until lambs slaughtered, delusion shattered, on ghastly sacrificial altar! There, smoke pierced with women’s heart-rending screams, religious devotion’s fiery aftermath, carnage rent with children’s lamentable cries!
Another “victory” score, afforded Religion of War.
4 years ago
‘Radicalization’ is such a crock of B.S. to start with. It’s just an excuse created by apologists for Islamo-fascism.
4 years ago
The only de-radicalisation program that is proven to work on Moslems is a 40 caliber bullet between the eyes
4 years ago
islam IS radicalization…. islam’s ENTIRE history …. islam’s “holy” books ….all tell you that.
4 years ago
I’m sure allah those “moderate”, “good”, “decent”, “honorable”, “non-observant” muslums will be organising fund raising efforts to rebuild the church and help out the victims’ families any day now — sarcastically speaking that is.
4 years ago
You can take the feral animal out of the cave but you can’t take the feral animal out of the muslim!!!!
4 years ago
Unless they renounce Islam, they will never truly change, I fear.
4 years ago
Some moderate Muslims who are attempting to alter the meaning and/or the interpretation of the Koran etc., may be unable to do that because how can you change the the meaning of the phrase “kill them (Jews) where ever you find them” in any other way but the obvious interpretation? Trying to eliminate portions of the text, also will not work because the words are supposed to be the words of their god Allah, and cannot be changed. The only other option they have. without eliminating the entire text, is to ignore certain portions of the text, specifically those having to do with violence, hatred, or bigotry. But, is that not like changing the words of the text? Thus, this cannot work either. So the only solution that will work is to burn all the texts, much like was done in the fictional book “Fahrenheit 451”. To begin this, the texts have to be made invalid by all who read them, piece by piece, until all of it is invalidated. Destroy the entire Muslim belief system. Then they will be free to choose a different belief system of their choice. Hinduism, Buddhism, Confucianism, Christianity, Taoism, Judaism, or atheism. None of these other religions or lack of religion force their system on others like does Islam. Without Islam, terrorism will nearly be gone in this world. Only the threat of dictatorship, communism, and socialism will be left, and those political systems can be defeated much more easily because they are inherently flawed. Pointing out the flaws of Islam may be a start in making portions invalid which will lead to making the entire system invalid. In this journey the texts work against themselves. They provide the ammo to take down the entire flawed system. These serious flaws have been largely ignored or missed until now.
