‘Not Exonerated’? What the hell?

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“We aren’t exonerating our target” is extraordinary. Innocence is the default position in this country.

‘Not Exonerated’ Is Not a Standard Any Free Country Should Accept

By Charles C. W. Cooke, National Review, May 29, 2019:

I’m sorry to be a broken record on this, but this line from Robert Mueller infuriates me:

That’s not how it works in America. Investigators are supposed to look for evidence that a crime was committed, and, if they don’t find enough to contend that a crime was a committed, they are supposed to say “We didn’t find enough to contend that a crime was committed.” They are not supposed to look for evidence that a crime was not committed and then say, “We couldn’t find evidence of innocence.”

I understand that Mueller was in an odd position. I understand, too, that this wasn’t a criminal trial. But I don’t think those norms are rendered any less important by those facts. By asking the executive to investigate itself, it was guaranteed — yes, guaranteed — that we’d have a fight over “obstruction of justice.” For the architect of that investigation to keep saying “We aren’t exonerating our target” is extraordinary. Innocence is the default position in this country. If a person doesn’t have enough evidence that someone committed a crime to contend that a crime was committed, he is obliged to presume his innocence. “Not exonerated” is not a standard in our system, and it shouldn’t be one in our culture, either.


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DemocracyRules
DemocracyRules
4 years ago

“innocent until proven guilty”
– unless you are Trump
– or another supporter
– of the democratic free-enterprise constitutional republic
– tyrants seek to criminalize all non-tyrants

DemocracyRules
DemocracyRules
4 years ago
Reply to  DemocracyRules

AND anyone who does not understand that
– is a commie rat
– ALL tyrants ignore the rule of law

English Bob
English Bob
4 years ago

If they found anything worthwhile they would have jumped on it. That was simply a veiled threat by mueller to tell Trump to back off and not investigate the investigators. Clearly he is worried and many of them need to be tried for sedition, hopefully it is coming.

DemocracyRules
DemocracyRules
4 years ago
Reply to  English Bob

Exactly
“Vote Democrat”
– we hate, murder, subjugate, and victimize
– but we give you money for nothing
– [until we run out]
– and Democrats make it a crime
– to oppose tyrants

SoftwareBabeOHIO
SoftwareBabeOHIO
4 years ago
Reply to  English Bob

BARR will investigate the investigators, not Trump. The DOJ is supposed to be unbiased, except if your are a Democrat. Democrats, every single one of them, including ALL MUSLIMS, need to be removed from office. Next, RINOS. But, we all know that this is will never happen because of all the SHEEP out there.

We, the People need to INFORM the sheep with truth about their parties.

SoftwareBabeOHIO
SoftwareBabeOHIO
4 years ago

There are all kinds of TERRORISTS in America. 1st, there are MUSLIMS, then there are Democrats, then there are ILLEGAL ALIENS, then there are SHEEP who go along to get along…………..

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felix1999
felix1999
4 years ago

So many problems for the swamp…. It’s up to Barr to either continue the cover up or clean it up.
What will he do?

EXPLOSIVE – FOIA Documents Show Evidence of Weissmann/Mueller Entrapment Scheme…
Posted on May 11, 2019 by sundance
Recently release FOIA documents into the special counsel team of Robert Mueller reveal the remarkable trail of a 2017 entrapment scheme conducted by Prosecutor Andrew Weissmann to target George Papadopoulos.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/05/11/explosive-foia-documents-show-evidence-of-weissmann-mueller-entrapment-scheme/

Citizen 1949
Citizen 1949
4 years ago
Reply to  felix1999

Weissmann is the ultimate weasel. The Mueller team was tainted from the very beginning: 13 angry democrats, many of them Hillary donors, but Weissmann was the worst of the bunch. A man that relishes in ruining people’s lives with lies. A man that should have been disbarred, drained financially to repay his victims, then jailed for the rest of his life.
As for the Mueller investigation, it was a farce from the beginning.

felix1999
felix1999
4 years ago
Reply to  Citizen 1949

You are correct. Weissman is a special form of hideous evil. He was Mueller’s corrupt pit bull and controlled what went on and with his reputation of being unethical did his best to nail Trump.

Below is just the tip of the ice berg on Andrew’s career of corruption. Andrew likes to stay under the radar. He quietly slithered off to to become a faculty member at New York University and to work on public service projects in March of 2019. Imagine how many more minds he will soil and the notoriety he will have there. When he left it was definite the fake investigation was over!.

Andrew Weissmann: Robert Mueller’s dirty cop
February 16, 2018
By Monica Showalter

One of Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s lead attorneys has an ethics problem. Actually, a lot of ethics problems, considering what he’s gotten away with. According to investigative journalist Sara Carter, Weissmann has been busted for withholding evidence in a previous court case involving prosecution of organized crime, to put an extra thumb on the scale of justice in his own favor. Carter writes that:

In 1997 Andrew Weissmann was officially reprimanded by a judge in the Eastern District of New York for withholding evidence.
Weissmann was reported to the Department of Justice Inspector General and Senate Judiciary Committee for alleged “corrupt legal practices.”
A formal letter from U.S. Attorney Eastern District of New York Zachary Carter requested the judge to remove Weissman’s name, according to documents.
Civil rights and Criminal Defense Attorney David Schoen said Weissmann needs to be investigated for alleged past misconduct in court cases.

More specifically, Weissmann withheld evidence to a court that would have helped the other side in a criminal case, which is required by law. In that previous case:
Evidence suggested that Scarpa was involved in a personal relationship with his FBI handler, Lindley DeVecchio. DeVeccio, who was also a witness in a case connected to the Persico case. Weissmann had DeVecchio testify against Michael Sessa, a captain in the Colombo family, despite knowing DeVecchio was under investigation by the FBI for his relationship with Scarpa. Weissmann and his team failed disclose that to the courts and presented him as a solid witness in the case, according to Schoen and court documents.

Mafiosos may not be a sympathetic bunch, but the law is the law and Weissmann didn’t think it applied to him.

This, from a man gushingly portrayed in the New York Times last year as “fair.”

No, actually, Weissmann doesn’t really sound fair. According to the leftwing Daily Beast, in a piece published last August:

[Legal experts] believe [Weissmann’s] presence on Mueller’s team means the probe may push legal boundaries as it investigates alleged collusion between Trump and Russian interests.

Then there was the Arthur Andersen case, which with Weissmann, shows a pattern of malfeasance. According to the Daily Beast:

During his years at the Justice Department, Weissmann built a reputation as a prosecutor willing to push the envelope – sometimes with disastrous results. He worked on the Justice Department’s Enron probe from 2002 to 2005. And while he was there, he helmed the prosecution of Arthur Andersen, Enron’s accounting firm, arguing that it had obstructed justice by destroying documents investigators would have needed.

Weissmann and his team took the aggressive step of indicting the entire accounting firm. According to a source familiar with the case, the firm’s defense attorneys met with them [and asked Weissmann and his team] not to do so before the indictment, arguing that the firm would be certain to dissolve if it were indicted, leaving thousands of people jobless.

“Their response indicated they didn’t care,” said the person familiar with the case.

Twenty thousand people lost their jobs over a junk case that was thrown out of court and this guy didn’t care? Weissmann seems to have a history of dirty-cop tactics in his bid to make headlines, and it’s particularly relevant in the current case with Robert Mueller since it now involves withheld evidence, the evidence that the phony Steele dossier, paid for by the Hillary Clinton campaign, and which the FBI knew was fake, was nevertheless the basis for a FISA warrant to spy on Trump advisor Carter Page, and with it, the entire Trump team, as Team Obama went wild with the unmaskings:

Now we have the weird recusal of Judge Rudolph Contreras in the case against former NSC Advisor Michael Flynn described by Clarice Feldman here. She writes:

The only reason I can imagine why Judge Contreras was recused – note: did not recuse himself – is that he was a member of the FISC, the court that grants surveillance warrants under FISA. As the evidence mounts that the warrant [to investigate Trump advisor Carter Page based on the tainted and phony contents of the Hillary Clinton campaign’s Steele dossier] was improperly granted, someone – perhaps the chief judge of the district – removed him from further participation in the case, likely because Contreras approved the warrant and its extension. If the warrant was improperly issued, all the evidence it garnered is tainted.

As to why the agreed upon delay, my thought is that Mueller wants to wait until the inspector general report so that, in a sense, his hands will be clean if the case is dropped, that he was compelled by the record to do so.

I missed it earlier, but on December 12 of last year, Judge [Emmett] Sullivan issued a tough demand of the prosecution. They are compelled immediately to turn over all exculpatory material in their possession to General Flynn. The last paragraph of the order is particularly strong:

And here Weissmann has this history of not turning over exculpatory evidence to the extent that he has been blasted by other judges, even though the law tells him to do so. There’s also Weissmann’s willing to take down whole companies to get a collar as well. And according to the Daily Beast, there is Weissmann’s crony closeness to Obama’s lieutenants such as Obama Attorney General Loretta Lynch from his Brooklyn prosecutor days. Does this sound like someone who’s fit for his job as dispassionate prosecutor in the nominally non-partisan Special Counsel’s office?

It sounds as though Judge Sullivan is onto him and his dirty-cop prosecutorial games. Byron York has more on Sullivan here. If the case against Flynn is thrown out, it will be because of Robert Mueller’s rather glaring dirty-cop problem, likely in Andrew Weissmann.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/02/andrew_weissmann_robert_muellers_dirty_cop.html

SeveredSeclusiveIdiom
SeveredSeclusiveIdiom
4 years ago
Reply to  felix1999
Rivia
Rivia
4 years ago
Reply to  felix1999

Absolutely. And it is absolutely mind boggling that NOT ONE MSM or any news outlet of any kind whatsoever comments on and continues to ignore Mueller’s filthy, stinking, lying corrupt history. WTF? It is all on line for the world to see, you don’t have to make anything up. Just google this Nazi fascist goon, almost the entirety of his corrupt, illegal, criminal conduct lifespan is there for the world to see.The only things that you have to dig a little deeper about are the “lesser known” cases that were overturned for falsification of evidence, coercion of witnesses, threats, blackmail, etc. Mueller was always a very very dangerous, evil despicable, vile, guttersnipe. One of the lowest life forms on this planet. I forgot to emphasize: Mueller personally “carried in his hand” the container that had the uranium sample to Putin. And he was legally required to, and did, sign off and approve the sale of the Uranium to Russia, as the Head of the FBI at the time. NO ONE TALKS ABOUT THIS. He should have recused himself. And Rosenstein knew exactly what he was doing when he put that traitor in charge.

Halal Bacon
Halal Bacon
4 years ago

check out this sewer rat’s body language, shifting side to side, rubbing his nose et al, he was trying to sell the Brooklyn Bridge

felix1999
felix1999
4 years ago

Does Barr’s Transparency With Mueller Report Indicate a Positive Shift for IG Horowitz Report?…
Posted on May 19, 2019 by sundance

On June 14th, 2018, the DOJ Inspector General delivered a 568 page report on the DOJ and FBI handling of the Clinton investigation.

Those who reviewed the full report noted the executive summary was entirely disconnected from the body of material. Additionally, beyond the content disconnection, there was transparent coordination from the institutions of the DOJ and FBI which highlighted an unnerving sense of ongoing corrupt intent.

As the hours progressed, and more of the actual content of the report was able to be reviewed, it became obvious the ‘executive summary’ was written specifically to dilute the most damaging information.

For the upcoming report the diminutive influence of Jeff Sessions is gone; the institutional protective influence of Rod Rosenstein is gone; and the corrupt intents of Andrew Weissmann and Robert Mueller are gone. Unfortunately, on the FBI side, Chris Wray, David Bowditch and Dana Boente remain; along with the 40 “rank and file” FBI investigators who participated in the 2016, 2017 and 2018 operations.

(Wray is carryng the torch of corruption for the institution and is still stone walling and not cooperating. With the corruption team not in position, I doubt he will be effective He is bureaucratic moron..)

Will Attorney General Bill Barr be more willing to allow the IG report to shine a light on DOJ/FBI issues and politically manufactured FISA submissions?

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/05/19/does-barrs-transparency-with-mueller-report-indicate-a-positive-shift-for-ig-horowitz-report/
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knightsstrength
knightsstrength
4 years ago

June 5th elections
Denmark’s Biggest Populist Party Takes a Beating in Latest Poll
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-05-21/denmark-s-main-anti-immigration-party-has-worst-poll-in-7-years

felix1999
felix1999
4 years ago

I hope he doesn’t have cancer. All he did was leak information and our press does all the time.
I don’t see HIM guilty of a crime. He did the job that other “journalists” wouldn’t do. He reported what was happening through anonymous sources. He wasn’t the one divulging the information – others gave it to him. He had a hand in saving us from Hillary as our President and for that I will be eternally grateful.

knightsstrength
knightsstrength
4 years ago
Reply to  felix1999

He should have been released long ago, he has served home detention.

I look for Trump to have charges dropped against him as gutless Australian Government no where to be seen. Another reason I do not like either of the major parties been in government.

If he dies or anything drastic I hope there will be a Hue and Cry by the people? May is guilty doing nothing.

At the moment I am looking at Boris Johnson to protect him if Boris elected Prine Minister. Wonder if he can claim refugee status.

felix1999
felix1999
4 years ago

Rather than littering up up the forum with postings , go here https://theconservativetreehouse.com/.
You will find all the information you need and ALL of it is documented. The Conservative Tree House has been invaluable in bringing on the sunlight to disinfect the swamp. The BIG question is, what will Barr do about this? Is this just arm waving or will there be consequences for Mueller, his team and corrupt institution people that we PAY for to do their job?

knightsstrength
knightsstrength
4 years ago

Round up the corrupt left and corrupt legals and throw them in jail.

This will go on for decades and the US cannot afford it as Muslims will take over with all the delays, hindrances

xtron
xtron
4 years ago

he didn’t steal any horses, but he may be guilty of trying to avoid being hung for being a horse thief.

Liatris Spicata
Liatris Spicata
4 years ago

Innocence is the default position in this country.

I do not believe that investigators, be it local cop on the beat or the FBI, presume innocence. Nor should they. DA’s do not presume innocence. Juries should.

The analog here is the House of Representatives need not presume innocence. Clearly, they should have good reason before charging POTUS with a “high crime or misdemeanor”. Nor should the FBI’s hired gun- the special counsel- presume innocence: guilt or innocence isn’t his call. The Senate, bless ’em, should so presume.

So why did Mueller claim he was not exonerating Trump? Because he believes Trump obstructed justice, or attempted to do so, but he couldn’t say so. Essentially, he begged the House to charge him accordingly. Trump may have been saved here by his staff, most notably perhaps, Don McGann.

762x51FMJ
762x51FMJ
4 years ago

Last week Pelosi said Trump is goading them to impeach him, and she said inpeaching in a partisan fashion would be disastrous for Democrats in 2020.

So then Judas Escariot ( Amash ) stepped forward to make it bi partisan and it didn’t work, so Mueller says same thing the report said and we are waiting for Democrats to take the bait and commit political suicide..

fred m
fred m
4 years ago

Pres Trump did not obstruct justice, he obstructed sedition – which is his duty. Mueller’s verdict is summed up as Not Un-guilty!

drdByte
drdByte
4 years ago

Mueller is not an honorable man. He is vindicative and manipulative. He would have fit in with the puritanical judges of the Salem Witch Trials. Guilty, guilty, guilty. Your innocence means nothing.

drdByte
drdByte
4 years ago

Mueller is not an honorable man. He is vindicative and manipulative. He would have fit in with the puritanical judges of the Salem Witch Trials. Guilty, guilty, guilty. Your innocence means nothing.

Drew the Infidel
Drew the Infidel
4 years ago

Another dime-a-dozen Trump hater. That doesn’t take any special talent, show us something of merit.

Trump could walk on water and the lamestream media would find fault, what with their penchant for operating out of the Pharisees’ playbook.

Mueller’s real beef with Trump is personal. He joined one of Trump’s several golf venues but then moved and wanted his $15,000 deposit refunded, which Trump refused to do. He also appealed to newly elected President Trump for the top spot at the FBI, which Trump also denied him.

WTF, when Mueller held that FBI directorship previously he missed the signals on 9/11, Ft. Hood, and the Boston Marathon bombing.

John Acord
John Acord
4 years ago

Its no coincidence that Mueller gives this extraordinary interview and announces his resignation or retirement from the DOJ. He can no longer be charged with an ethics violation, which Alan Dershowitz, among others, has affirmed Mueller committed. Trump Must be the cleanest politician since Coolidge to have survived three years of a team of mad fog Commiecrats going through all of his records and coming up with nothing they could twist into a charge.I am really amazed! These are the type of DOJ low lives that sit around, swelling beer and talking about how they could charge Mother Theresa with a crime.

7734daniel
7734daniel
4 years ago

Because their queen bee did not get elected like she was suppose to. The liberal commies still have their panties in a wad.

What is just as bad the so called republicans don’t have a backbone or a pair so they are cowering in their closet afraid to stand up for the Constitution the document that has made this great country. It is good that our founding fathers had a pair if not we would be driving on the wrong side of the road, also our borders would be more open than the liberal commies have them at this time.

If you have had enough of bashing America Stand up Make some Noise Vote in all Elections If you have a child in a institute of higher learning. STOP THE MONEY THAT IS BEING USED TO BRAIN WASH YOUR CHILD.

Do you want the Amerika the libcopmies have envisioned for you ?
Remember This famous promise ” If you like your Doctor You can keep your Doctor. ” ” If you like your Insurance you can keep your Insurance” Always think of the one that said that when going to vote.

If you haven’t got one yet get one that is a Quran. read it and you will get a better understanding of what the muslim’s

think of us and want to do with us the infidels.

Enough for now.

DVader
DVader
4 years ago

Innocence is the default position if you’re not allowed to indict?

YancyHomes1
YancyHomes1
4 years ago

Is this the new American standard for prosecutors? Or, is it just for Trump and his supporters? If this is Mueller’s thinking, he should never have been a prosecutor, no less a Special prosecutor. This idea of guilty unless “proven” innocent, is something we expected from dictator run countries. Mueller is described by many as a very special public servant, but these actions on his part show him to be anything but.

Michael Jacobs
Michael Jacobs
4 years ago

“Innocence is the default position in this country?” Wrong. Only in connection with the deliberations of juries, and the rulings of judges, in our criminal court system. Otherwise, no prosecutor would ever be able to prosecute — why prosecute an innocent man? Not to mention the court of public opinion, which is not bound by these rules at all. We do not have to wait for a criminal conviction of, say, Harvey Weinstein, to decide that what he did was really icky and to make him persona non grata in the film industry today. Ditto with Trump. An employer does not have to wait for a criminal conviction to make a sketchy employee lose his job. Trump is OUR employee, not our “boss.” We, the People, are entitled to call him to account.

Mueller’s report, as well as his public comment afterward, were crystal clear. He specifically said he did not exonerate Trump of wrongdoing. The only reason he could not specifially accuse Trump of wrongdoing was that Mueller believed it was wrong for a prosecutor to openly accuse someone of a crime unless he intended to formally charge him, and current Justice Dept. policy prevents indicting a sitting president. But no such prohibition applies to Congress, which alone has the power to call a sitting president to answer for “high crimes and misdemeanors” by impeaching him. That’s exactly what this process is for.

I certainly don’t hear ANY of the people posting on this site complaining that it is “wrong” to consider jihadi terrorists and their supporters to be evil people, who should rightfully suffer all kinds of consequences (short of criminal punishments) even if they have not (yet) been charged with, or convicted of, a crime. Same deal.

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