Christians Violently Attacked by “Palestinian” Forces, Forced to Pay Muslim Tax (Jizya)

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The jizya is as old as Islam itself. Muhammad clearly established that people of other religions have to pay a poll tax to Muslims called the jizya, as a reminder of their inferior status. It is a steep and punitive tax and those who can’t or won’t pay are killed. It’s ‘protection ‘.

Quran (9:29) – “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.”

Hadith and Sira

Sahih Muslim (19:4294) – There are many places in the hadith where Muhammad tells his followers to demand the jizya of non-believers. Here he lays down the rule that it is to be extorted by force: “If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah’s help and fight them”

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Sahih Bukhari (53:386) – The command for Muslims to spread Islamic rule by force, subjugating others until they either convert to Islam or pay money, is eternal: Our Prophet, the Messenger of our Lord, has ordered us to fight you till you worship Allah Alone or give Jizya (i.e. tribute); and our Prophet has informed us that our Lord says:– “Whoever amongst us is killed (i.e. martyred), shall go to Paradise to lead such a luxurious life as he has never seen, and whoever amongst us remain alive, shall become your master.” This is being recounted during the reign of Umar, Muhammad’s companion and the second caliph, who sent conquering armies into non-Muslim Persian and Christian lands (after Muhammad’s death).

Sahih Muslim (1:33)“I have been commanded to fight against people so long as they do not declare that there is no god but Allah, and he who professed it was guaranteed the protection of his property and life on my behalf except for the right affairs rest with Allah.’s  The “protection” needed by the unbeliever is from Muhammad himself.  In other words, the jizya is paid by the non-Muslim in exchange for not being killed.

CUFI: Approximately 40,000 Christians live under the rule of either Hamas in Gaza or the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank. Life in these territories is often very difficult, and sometimes deadly, for Christians. Radical terrorist groups and extremist individuals know that the governing authorities will not punish them for attacking or harassing Christians.

Palestinian rioters in clashes near Ramallah.

Christians Violently Attacked by Palestinian Forces, Forced to Pay Special ‘Tax’

Christian residents of the town of Jifnah in the Palestinian Authority (PA) were attacked by Fatah activists and were forced to pay the Jizyah ransom tax after a local woman complained to the police about the son of a senior Fatah official.

By TPS, April 29, 2019

The violent incident, which included shooting, occurred on Friday in an almost exclusively Christian area, situated north of Jerusalem and near Ramallah, the de facto Palestinian Authority (PA) capital.

Fatah activists entered the village driving wildly, shot firearms and threw firebombs at buildings, causing damage to property.

The assault was apparently in response to a complaint submitted to the police by a local woman against the son of senior Fatah official Khalil Razeq, whom she claimed drove recklessly and violently and almost hit her son and herself.

Razeq was enraged by the complaint, filed by a Christian, and gathered Fatah members to exact revenge. Local residents reported that members of the PA’s security forces also participated in the attack.

In a notice published on Facebook, the Christian residents of Jifnah complained about the loss of security and of their property, especially after they were forced to pay the Jizyah, as demanded by Islam.

They demanded that the newly-appointed Prime Minister Mohammad Ishtayeh intervene and ensure their safety, and decry the “racist and sectarian” behavior by a “senior official.”

A member of one of the families told TPS that the Fatah members ordered them to pay the Jizyah “so that they could enjoy the PA’s protection” and that the event was caused by religious and sectarian hatred.

The Jizyah is an annual per capita tax levied by Islamic law on non-Muslim subjects residing in Muslim lands. The tax is a fee for protection provided by the Muslim ruler to non-Muslims, for the permission to practice a non-Muslim religion with some communal autonomy in a Muslim state, and serves as proof of the non-Muslims’ submission to the Muslim state and its laws.

Jizyah has also been understood by some as a ritual humiliation of non-Muslims for not converting to Islam.

PA head Mahmoud Abbas, who is in charge of the armed forces, came under sharp criticism. He was accused of standing by while his “hooligans” acted with little restraint.

Social media users warned of further hate crimes such as the recent attacks on churches in Sri Lanka, while journalists condemned the anarchy in the PA’s streets and called for restoration of order.

Fatah, the ruling party in the PA, has been charged with promoting violence throughout its existence.

Some expressed solidarity with the beleaguered Christians and said that the attack was an assault “on all the homes in Palestine.”

Hamas, Fatah’s rival, took advantage of the incident to embarrass Abbas, who has previously charged Hamas with acting violently against Christians in the Gaza Strip.

Speaking at an event in honor of Good Friday in Ramallah, Ishtayeh declared Saturday that “the Christian community is part of the Palestinian nation and he will not allow any of its members to be harmed.”

Jifnah, one of six Christian villages in the Ramallah area, is home to some 2,000 Christians, 400 of whom have immigrated to other countries.
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Nefarious420
Nefarious420
4 years ago

They are happy paying Fakistanians and protesting against Israel/Jews

Ziggy46
Ziggy46
4 years ago

I hope folks discern the similarity of this Muslim tax on Christians, as the taxing of the Jews after Kristallnacht in 1938. This world is tripping backward as if in a time-warp, into a malevolent, evil anti-Christian, antisemitic, diktat of the Muslims and their equally Fascist, Nazified Western allies. The latter meaning the Democrats, the Liberals, the UK’s May, as well, Corbyn; not to overlook the Islamization of the EU. Treason is now deemed meritorious among those mentioned and their appendage Islam; nor are the Jews the sole peoples under threat, Christians, Buddhists, and other faiths are in peril.

Liatris Spicata
Liatris Spicata
4 years ago
Reply to  Ziggy46

Not to worry, Zig. I’m sure the UN will come down very hard on this kind of Islamic thuggery. Just after the Messiah arrives, no doubt.

A question Christians should ask themselves is why Jews have been so much more willing to extend a hand to persecuted co-religionists than has the Chrisitan world.

Ziggy46
Ziggy46
4 years ago

I agree, Liatris Spicata, the UN is a front for Third World terrorism; it has itself rendered null-and-void. Its predecessor, the League of Nations, was toothless but the UN is no more than a tool for political expediency, catering to rogue states and others bent on our end.

Question; I agree that Jews do reach out to other persecuted religions; however, I have witnessed such an exchange among Christian leaders, too. That’s not my final answer; thanks, Liatris, I must find a bottom line. LoL, take care.

Liatris Spicata
Liatris Spicata
4 years ago
Reply to  Ziggy46

I probably should have made the distinction between how Christians as people act, and how nations that at least historically have a close association with Christianity have acted.

The Christian West- what is left of it- has nothing to compare with the enormous effort made by the State of Israel to rescue Jews. Think Yemen, Ethiopia.

Ziggy46
Ziggy46
4 years ago

I agree Israel has done and achieved much in providing rescue and asylum for Jews of the stated nations. Indeed, on the other hand, as said, the Western faux-democracies unresponsive to Christians suffering under Islamic regimes. It is quite maddening but demonstrates the West’s abandonment of Christians in need of aid or extrication from the murderous, anti-Christian regimes.

Helen4Yemen
Helen4Yemen
4 years ago

Why is she allowed to spam? Blocked!

Achmed Mohandjob
Achmed Mohandjob
4 years ago
Reply to  Helen4Yemen

Oh … little hell4yemen .. you’re SO clever. Is that what happens to a brain when your brood sow chops out your clitoris?

Liatris Spicata
Liatris Spicata
4 years ago

Is that what happens to a brain when your brood sow chops out your clitoris?

Gad, you are a repulsive horse’s a$$, dickhead.

Achmed Mohandjob
Achmed Mohandjob
4 years ago

Such profanity, coming from an elderly cat lady. Is your imaginary “Korean” wife ashamed of your vulgar language?

MuhamMUDTheFakeProphet
MuhamMUDTheFakeProphet
4 years ago

His wife was once his stepdaughter so he had the inside track to marriage.

Achmed Mohandjob
Achmed Mohandjob
4 years ago

I don’t believe so. The more that I thought about David’s hypothesis … him believing her to be an elderly woman, with lots of cats, and a leftist … each time I read one of her postings … I become more and more convinced that he is right. The make-believe “Korean” wife is just icing on her cake. Here’s a picture of her “Korean wife”.
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MuhamMUDTheFakeProphet
MuhamMUDTheFakeProphet
4 years ago

LOL, poor cat.

Achmed Mohandjob
Achmed Mohandjob
4 years ago

That’s a picture of latrine’s “make-believe” wife, before she immigrated and married our elderly cat lady.

MuhamMUDTheFakeProphet
MuhamMUDTheFakeProphet
4 years ago

A question the kafir al najjis around the world should ask themselves is why your mythical “moderate”, “decent”, “good” (cough, gag, choke) f’ing muslums are doing nothing substantive for the kafir being systematically raped/murdered/persecuted/enslaved by f’ing muslums allah over the world.

Texas Tin Man
Texas Tin Man
4 years ago

There is no such thing as a moderate Muslim.
What we call moderates are just the sleeper cell types.
They come out only when the local population exceeds a certain percentage that they can use to their advantage.

MuhamMUDTheFakeProphet
MuhamMUDTheFakeProphet
4 years ago
Reply to  Texas Tin Man

I agree w/you 100%. There’s no one in the muslum world advocated for equal rights for the unbeliever in islum in ANY muslum state or Dearbornistan, Michigan.

Dennis Durkop
Dennis Durkop
4 years ago

Devout Muslims benefit from jihad and the other vile evil oppressive barbaric savageries of the Islamic sharia as their plan of attack to destroy the West, then the East!

MISS VEGAS
MISS VEGAS
4 years ago

This reminds me now of what that racist anti-semite, Linda Sarsour has said.
Because she has tweeted out stuff about how great it is to live under Sharia law. She actually was trying to make it appealing. She tweeted some BS about how under Sharia law your medical is free, no interest rates on credit cards & loans, & a bunch of other BS!
It was so creepy! If she loves it so much then why doesn’t she move to one of those Countries?! I know why, she & others & uninformed sheep are helping her to change all of the Western Countries, for the worse.
Plus so are the Elites, politicians, government & etc… they are getting Paid big-time by “So ros” to create chaos & racial hate. He benefits a lot from this. Just ask other Countries he has tried this on. Bet he is happy today! Sick sick Sick!

So, I guess they get that money from the non-muslims to give to the Moozzies!
Is that about right? It sounds like it.

Helen4Yemen
Helen4Yemen
4 years ago

You do need to remember that there used to be Palestinian Muslims
and Palestinian Christians who co-existed in peace going back many
centuries until the European Jew arrived and expelled a million
Palestinians, 110,000 of whom were Christian.

Achmed Mohandjob
Achmed Mohandjob
4 years ago
Reply to  Helen4Yemen

TOO funny. Simply hilarious! You moslems are SO much fun to laugh AT.

Helen4Yemen
Helen4Yemen
4 years ago

One more nonsense and you will be blocked! That was the problem that I had the last time that I was here that I had to block so many of you that sometimes my screen would be completely covered with “this user is blocked”.

Achmed Mohandjob
Achmed Mohandjob
4 years ago
Reply to  Helen4Yemen

Please block me. Then, I shall not have to read your BALD FACED LIES. Although, I shall miss laughing AT you. Has there ever been a human being to come out of Yemen? Or, are all of them moslems, which would make them the descendants of the cross-breeding of monkeys with pigs?

Helen4Yemen
Helen4Yemen
4 years ago

SHOO! Blocked!

Achmed Mohandjob
Achmed Mohandjob
4 years ago
Reply to  Helen4Yemen

THANK YOU, little hell4yemen.

John Mitchell
John Mitchell
4 years ago
Reply to  Helen4Yemen

Troll

Helen4Yemen
Helen4Yemen
4 years ago
Reply to  John Mitchell

SHOO! Blocked!

Liatris Spicata
Liatris Spicata
4 years ago
Reply to  Helen4Yemen

Glad for your sake that you blocked that jerk, Achmed. He is a jerk of the first order, with nothing intelligent to say, but plenty of bile to say it with. I hope you will stay here and engage in intelligent discourse with those who are able and willing to do so.

I call people like Achmed “goons”. It is unfortunate that
this site is plagued with so many repulsive idiots; they give the counter-jihad movement a rather bad image. We are not all yahoos.

If I get a better sense of where you are coming from, I will try to suggest some other sites that might be more suitable for you than this admittedly provocative and often abrasive site. So I hope you will continue to engage here in an open minded fashion. You have numerous incorrect preconceived notions, such as your insistence of the discredited Khazari Jewish theory.

MuhamMUDTheFakeProphet
MuhamMUDTheFakeProphet
4 years ago

A muslum apologist/sympathizer calling anyone goon isn’t an insult, it’s a compliment.

Liatris Spicata
Liatris Spicata
4 years ago
Reply to  Helen4Yemen

You do need to remember that there used to be Palestinian Muslims and Palestinian Christians who co-existed in peace going back many centuries until the European Jew arrived and expelled a million Palestinians

Right Helen- I thought in some way or other, this just had to be all the fault of the Joooos. After all, Iman al-Whatshisname assured us that all the foul things in the world are the fault of those Joooooooos.

Yes, there is a sense in which your statement is correct: there was indeed a peace of sorts under the Ottomans. Christians and Jews lived as dhimmis, subject to a host of onerous restrictions in addition to the jizya. But equality under the law, such as Moslems have in Israel today- forget about it. Moreover, that is by Islamic doctrine.

By the way, in the couple of years after the modern state of Israel was born, more Jews were expelled from Arab countries than Arabs who left “Palestine” by their own choice and at the urging of Arab governments (they were not expelled by the Jews or by the stae of Israel). Prominent among those nations was Yemen.

I do not mean to be personally offensive, and I would like to learn from you. Unlike Achmed, I do not consider you “TOO funny” and I will not “laugh AT” you. FWIW, Achmed is a jerk. But I do wonder, would it be possible for people of your persuasion to have a scintilla of intellectual integrity?

Palestine: A nation that never was for a people who never were.

Helen4Yemen
Helen4Yemen
4 years ago

There were no Jews at all living in Palestine until these Europeans arrived.

I dare anyone to dispute it.

1st Aliyah ….. 1882-1903 ….. 35,000 …. Jewishvirtuallibrary
2nd Aliyah …. 1904-1914 ….. 40,000 …. Jewishvirtuallibrary
3rd Aliyah ….. 1919-1923 ….. 40,000 …. Jewishvirtuallibrary
4th Aliyah …….1924-1929 …… 82,000 …. Jewishvirtuallibrary
.

Liatris Spicata
Liatris Spicata
4 years ago
Reply to  Helen4Yemen

There were no Jews at all living in Palestine until these Europeans arrived.

The figues you cited in no way establish your claim. Say, could you provide a link? But nobody disputes that there was not an large immigraiton of Jews into the Holy Land starting toward the latter 19th century.

Reference 1 below makes the claim that Jews never left the Holy Land entirely. True, they were a fairly small minority although, for some years under the Ottomans, were the majority in Jerusalem. Arabs arrived in the 7th century as conquerers who imposed a new religion on the people.

1. https://www.jpost.com/Blogs/The-Zionist-Advocate/We-Never-Left-The-Jews-Continuous-Presence-in-the-Land-of-Israel-475161

Helen4Yemen
Helen4Yemen
4 years ago

This is what Herbert Samuel, the High Commission and Commander-in-Chief of Palestine said in 1921:

“In 1920, the British Government’s Interim Report on the Civil Administration of Palestine stated that there were hardly 700,000 people living in Palestine. The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years. Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews. In the following 30 years a few hundreds came to Palestine.”

Liatris Spicata
Liatris Spicata
4 years ago
Reply to  Helen4Yemen

Samuel does not, however, support your contention that:

Palestinian Jews went extinct hundreds of years ago?

Reputable history supports the claim that there were, since ROman times, Jews in the Holy Land and almost a continuous Jewish presence in Jerusalem. Admittedly, they wre a minority, oppressed for hundreds of years by a Moslem majority that did such wonderful things as impose a special tax on non-Moslems.

Helen4Yemen
Helen4Yemen
4 years ago

There were no Jews in Palestine until these European Jews arrived

Either you have to dispute that the “Aliyah” and and the census figures are correct or else you have no choice but to admit that there were no Jews living in Palestine before the arrival of the Zionists in 1882.

1st Aliyah ….. 1882-1903 ….. 35,000 …. Jewishvirtuallibrary
2nd Aliyah …. 1904-1914 ….. 40,000 …. Jewishvirtuallibrary
3rd Aliyah ….. 1919-1923 ….. 40,000 …. Jewishvirtuallibrary
4th Aliyah …….1924-1929 ……82,000 …. Jewishvirtuallibrary
……………………………………………………………………………………..

Year … Source ….. Total ….. Moslems …. Jews … Christians

1922 … Census ….. 752,048 … 589,177 …. 83,790 .. 71,464
1931 … Census … 1,033,314 … 759,700 . 174,606 .. .88,907

Helen4Yemen
Helen4Yemen
4 years ago

If someone were to ask me to provide names of publicly known indigenous Palestinian Muslims and Christians, I can get you a list of one thousand in a matter of minutes. How many names of indigenous Palestinian Jews can you provide? The answer is zero, because there are no more indigenous Palestinian Jews left in the world today as they converted to Christianity and then Islam until none were left and today’s Palestinians are descended from the ancient Jews. Here are a few names:

Edward Said, ……. Professor (Christian Palestinian)
Azmi Bishara ……. Author (Christian Palestinian)
Hatem Bazian …… Professor (Muslim Palestinian)
Khaled Mashaal … Hamas (Muslim Palestinian)
Mahmoud Abbas .. Palestine (Muslim Palestinian)
Rashid Khalidi ……. Professor (Christian Palestinian)
Sami Al-Arian …….. Professor (Muslim Palestinian)

Helen4Yemen
Helen4Yemen
4 years ago

Are you aware that the indigenous Palestinian Jews went extinct hundreds of years ago? Today, there are millions of indigenous Palestinian Muslims and Palestinian Christians but there is not a single indigenous Palestinian Jew on the face of the Earth. Over many centuries, the ancient Hebrews converted to Christianity and then to Islam until none were left. Today’s Palestinians are actually descended from the ancient Hebrews and the European Jew is descended from the ancient Khazars.

Liatris Spicata
Liatris Spicata
4 years ago
Reply to  Helen4Yemen

Are you aware that the indigenous Palestinian Jews went extinct hundreds of years ago?

Could you provide a credible source for that claim? I do not believe you.

Helen4Yemen
Helen4Yemen
4 years ago

There is not a single indigenous Palestinian Jew known to anyone
anywhere on the surface of the Earth. The Zionist entity sent out more
than 400 diplomats since its creation and none of them was an
indigenous Palestinian Jew. You cannot find that in the Knesset, in the
army, navy, academia, medicine – they are nowhere to be found. If you
look up “Palestinian Christians”, you find a huge list but if you look for
“Palestinian Jew”, it may bring up someone like Mileikowski
“Netanyahu”. Go ahead and give me the name of a single indigenous
Palestinian Jew known to anybody.

Liatris Spicata
Liatris Spicata
4 years ago
Reply to  Helen4Yemen

Helen,

I do not even know what you mean by “indigenous Palestinian Jews”. Whatever it means, I do not think the concept is particularly significant.

Helen4Yemen
Helen4Yemen
4 years ago

All the Jews who entered Palestine after 1882 were complete aliens to
that land. They spoke Yiddish and they were familiar with gefiltah fish
and not falafel. Aliens arrived and claimed to be returning – so
ridiculous for Europeans to return to a region inhabited by non-
Europeans. My question now is how to safely return the aliens back
home?

Liatris Spicata
Liatris Spicata
4 years ago
Reply to  Helen4Yemen

Oh, Helen,

You seem like to make erroneous claims, such as Palestinian Jews went extinct hundreds of years ago, and then when challenged, simply avoid the subject and move on to some other issue. Similarly, your quote from Herbert Samuel which actually denied your claim. That tendency of yours does make me wonder about your motives.

The demographics of the region are a bit uncertain, but I am as confident as I can be that it was more than a “handful”, but certainly was a small minority during most of the Ottoman rule. I think it is safe to say that Jews were in a minority in the Holy Land after the Romans put down a Jewish revolt nearly 2000 years ago.

Ref 1 below is as good a brief description of the subject as I can readily find. I appreciate you appear to regard Jewish Virtual Library as a credible source (not saying they are always right, but they do make an honest effort to be accurate). It says this:

At the outset of the Ottoman era, an estimated 1,000 Jewish families lived in the country, mainly in Jerusalem, Nablus (Shechem), Hebron, Gaza, Safed (Tzfat)

and the villages of Galilee. The community was comprised of descendants of Jews who had never left the Land as well as immigrants from North Africa and Europe. Orderly government, until the death (1566) of Sultan Suleyman the Magificent, brought improvements and stimulated Jewish immigration. Some newcomers settled in Jerusalem, but the majority went to Safed where, by mid-16th century, the Jewish population had risen to about 10,000, and the town had become a thriving textile center as well as the focus of intense intellectual activity.

Clearly, this belies your claim that:

There were no Jews in Palestine until these European Jews arrived

1. https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/ottoman-rule-1517-1917

Helen4Yemen
Helen4Yemen
4 years ago

At the outset of the Ottoman era, an estimated 1,000 Jewish families lived in the country,

but there’s no way to prove, it is there?

The community was comprised of descendants of Jews who had never left the Land as well as immigrants from North Africa and Europe.

This is just another lie because there not a single Jew who is known as an indigenous Palestinian Jew. Remember that just like Palestinian Christians spoke Arabic indigenous Jews also would have spoken Arabic.

by mid-16th century, the Jewish population had risen to about 10,000,

Just another lie. European Jews showed no interest in Palestine until the beginning of Zionism. When the Europeans arrived in Palestine for the first time ever in 1882, Jewish land ownership of Palestine was only 0.1% – meaning that there were no Jews to buy land.

spread throughout the Diaspora from the study houses in Safad.

You need to quit the diaspora business unless you are so delusional as to believe that somebody like Bernie Sanders whose DNA was confirmed to be 99% European and 0% Middle Eastern came from the “diaspora”.

By 1880, Jerusalem had an overall Jewish majority.

and they were all Yiddish-speaking white Europeans, were they not?

Liatris Spicata
Liatris Spicata
4 years ago
Reply to  Helen4Yemen

but there’s no way to prove, it is there?

Hmmm, Helen, here you have made a claim that Jews were “extinct” in the Holy Land, and now, when provided a credible source indicating other wise, expect “proof”. And the proof for your claim was ….?

I do think there is evidence to support the claim, but I cannot go into that just now (you are already keeping me up late tonight :~>).

just another lie. European Jews showed no interest in Palestine until the beginning of Zionism.

With a statement like that, I am questioning your motives more and more, wondering if you have a genuine interest in arriving at as close an approximation of the truth as is possible. You seem to want to disparage anything you find inconvenient to your world view as a “lie” I do not want to waste my time with people who simply will not reason.

An attachment to Jerusalem has been a strong feature of Jewish life for well over 2000 years. Ref 1 notes the following

Jews living in the Diaspora pray “Next Year in Jerusalem!” each year at the end of Passover and Yom Kippur. After the destruction of the Jewish temple, the hope of seeing it rebuilt became a central component of Jewish religious consciousness and the most common way religious Jews have expressed hope for future redemption.[9] An inversion of the phrase (“בירושלים לשנה הבאה”) is seen in Joseph Ibn Abitur’s 10th century poem A’amir Mistatter,[10] which is found in the Cairo Geniza and appears in many Ashkenazic Makhzors as a prayer for the Shabbat before Passover.[11] …. Isaac Tyrnau in the 15th century CE was the first to write of recitation of the phrase during Passover.[5][6]

Jerusalem was the center of Jewish religious observance for centuries, long before the advent of Christianity or Islam. Jerusalem is mentioned hundreds of times in the Hebrew Bible. Contrast that with the absence of mention of Jerusalem in the Koran.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%27Shana_Haba'ah

Helen4Yemen
Helen4Yemen
4 years ago

I said indigenous Palestinian Jews became extinct, meaning that there’s not a soul in the world who could be identified as an indigenous Palestinian Jew. Understand that the indigenous Palestinian Jews looked like the Palestinians, they spoke Arabic as their main language, their traditions and customs were Arabic. Do you have a name of a single indigenous Palestinian Jew that you are aware of? This link has quite a few indigenous Palestinian Christians but there is no such list for indigenous Palestinian Jews because they do not exist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Christians

Liatris Spicata
Liatris Spicata
4 years ago
Reply to  Helen4Yemen

Understand that the indigenous Palestinian Jews looked like the Palestinians, they spoke Arabic as their main language, their traditions and customs were Arabic.

Helen, that is simply an absurd claim. There were no Arabs in the Holy Land until the generation after Mohammad. Jews had been there continuously for 2000 years before Arabs came. Those people spoke Hebrew. Sheesh!

“Palestinians”? Since you are so big into names, name a “Palestinian” king, or any kind of political leader, before 1900 who governed as a “Palestinian”. You can’t, because there were none.

I am sorry to say this, but discussion with you is a waste of time.

Helen4Yemen
Helen4Yemen
4 years ago

There are 400 million people who who identify as Arabs today. The Arabs left behind their language, their customs and traditions but not their DNA. Today, Iraqis identify as Arab but they have DNA that is unique to their region they have DNA that would say 95% Iraqi and Yemenis have DNA that is 95% Yemeni. Just like the Yemenis and Iraqis, the Palestinians are indigenous to their land. The Palestinians came to be known as Arabs after Islam came to the region. Palestinian Christians also identify as Arab. You need to get in your head that the European Jew is related to King Bulan of Khazaria and not to King David.

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Helen4Yemen
Helen4Yemen
4 years ago

There is a simple definition of an Arab and it is someone whose native tongue is Arabic. There are now close to 400 million Arabs. Did they come from Arabia?

Country…………………..Population ……Country………….Population
1 Egypt…………………..90,045,700 … 12 Libya………….. 6,278,000
2 Algeria……………….. 40,100,000 … 13 Palestine…….. 4,683,000
3 Sudan………………… 38,435,000 … 14 Lebanon……….4,288,000
4 Iraq……………………..36,575,000 … 14 Oman…………. 4,600,000
5 Morocco…………….. 33,680,000 … 16 Kuwait…………..4,161,000
6 Saudi Arabia………. 31,521,000 … 17 Mauritania………3,632,000
7 Yemen………………. 26,745,000 … 18 Qatar…………… 2,113,000
8 Syria…………………..23,270,000 … 19 Bahrain………… 1,781,000
9 Tunisia………………. 11,118,000 … 20 Djibouti……………. 961,000
10 UAE………………….. 9,500,000 … 21 Comoros…………..783,000
11 Jordan………………..8,933,000 … Total………………..389,373,000

Helen4Yemen
Helen4Yemen
4 years ago

There is a simple definition of an Arab and it is someone whose native tongue is Arabic. There are now close to 400 million Arabs. Did they come from Arabia?

Country…………………..Population ……Country………….Population
1 Egypt…………………..90,045,700 … 12 Libya………….. 6,278,000
2 Algeria……………….. 40,100,000 … 13 Palestine…….. 4,683,000
3 Sudan………………… 38,435,000 … 14 Lebanon……….4,288,000
4 Iraq……………………..36,575,000 … 14 Oman…………. 4,600,000
5 Morocco…………….. 33,680,000 … 16 Kuwait…………..4,161,000
6 Saudi Arabia………. 31,521,000 … 17 Mauritania………3,632,000
7 Yemen………………. 26,745,000 … 18 Qatar…………… 2,113,000
8 Syria…………………..23,270,000 … 19 Bahrain………… 1,781,000
9 Tunisia………………. 11,118,000 … 20 Djibouti……………. 961,000
10 UAE………………….. 9,500,000 … 21 Comoros…………..783,000
11 Jordan………………..8,933,000 … Total………………..389,373,000

Helen4Yemen
Helen4Yemen
4 years ago

Is there were Jews in Palestine, land ownership would not be only 0.1% in 1882 when the Europeans first arrived.

Jewish land ownership in Palestine in dunams.
1882 …… 22,500 … 0.1%
1900 ….. 218,000 … 0.8%
1914 ….. 418,000 … 1.6%
1927 ….. 865,000 … 3.2%
1936 .. 1,231,000 … 4.7%
1945 … 1,588,365 … 6.0%
1947 … 1,734,000 … 6.6%

Helen4Yemen
Helen4Yemen
4 years ago

Is there were Jews in Palestine, land ownership would not be only 0.1% in 1882 when the Europeans first arrived.

Jewish land ownership in Palestine in dunams.
1882 …… 22,500 … 0.1%
1900 ….. 218,000 … 0.8%
1914 ….. 418,000 … 1.6%
1927 ….. 865,000 … 3.2%
1936 .. 1,231,000 … 4.7%
1945 … 1,588,365 … 6.0%
1947 … 1,734,000 … 6.6%

Helen4Yemen
Helen4Yemen
4 years ago

Is there were Jews in Palestine, land ownership would not be only 0.1% in 1882 when the Europeans first arrived.

Jewish land ownership in Palestine in dunams.
1882 …… 22,500 … 0.1%
1900 ….. 218,000 … 0.8%
1914 ….. 418,000 … 1.6%
1927 ….. 865,000 … 3.2%
1936 .. 1,231,000 … 4.7%
1945 … 1,588,365 … 6.0%
1947 … 1,734,000 … 6.6%

Liatris Spicata
Liatris Spicata
4 years ago
Reply to  Helen4Yemen

Helen, this will be (I think) my last comment here today, and I will try to keep it brief. As important as you- and many people- seem to think the “bloodline” issue is, I do not consider it of more than passing interest. But a quick google gave some credible sites that undermine your contention. Ref 1 says

Genetic studies on Jews have found no substantive evidence of a Khazar origin among Ashkenazi Jews, as opposed to evidence they have mixed Near Eastern/Mediterranean and Southern European origins.

The Khazar-Ashkenazi Jewish connection has been substantially discredited. But even if it were true, it simply is not that important, and I fail to see why you make such an issue of it (well maybe I do, since many Jews base their claim to the Holy Land on a genetic connection). In my mind, the soundness of Jewish and Israeli claims to the historical Land of Israel does not rest primarily on the genetic heritage of contemporary Jews.

If you are still with this conversation, I am willing to continue it. I might even try to impose on Pamela to the extent of putting us in touch so we can have a private channel of communication.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazar_hypothesis_of_Ashkenazi_ancestry1.

Liatris Spicata
Liatris Spicata
4 years ago
Reply to  Helen4Yemen

Helen, this will be (I think) my last comment here today, and I will try to keep it brief. As important as you- and many people- seem to think the “bloodline” issue is, I do not consider it of more than passing interest. But a quick google gave some credible sites that undermine your contention. Ref 1 says

Genetic studies on Jews have found no substantive evidence of a Khazar origin among Ashkenazi Jews, as opposed to evidence they have mixed Near Eastern/Mediterranean and Southern European origins.

The Khazar-Ashkenazi Jewish connection has been substantially discredited. But even if it were true, it simply is not that important, and I fail to see why you make such an issue of it (well maybe I do, since many Jews base their claim to the Holy Land on a genetic connection). In my mind, the soundness of Jewish and Israeli claims to the historical Land of Israel does not rest primarily on the genetic heritage of contemporary Jews.

If you are still with this conversation, I am willing to continue it. I might even try to impose on Pamela to the extent of putting us in touch so we can have a private channel of communication.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazar_hypothesis_of_Ashkenazi_ancestry1.

livingengine
livingengine
4 years ago
Reply to  Helen4Yemen
MuhamMUDTheFakeProphet
MuhamMUDTheFakeProphet
4 years ago
Reply to  livingengine

Wow 25% of Israel is muslum? That would explain the non-stop muslum terrorism.

Helen4Yemen
Helen4Yemen
4 years ago
Reply to  livingengine

From jewishvirtuallibrary

1- In all, nearly 35,000 Jews came to Palestine during the First Aliyah. Almost half of them left the country

.2- In all, 40,000 Jews immigrated during this period, but absorption difficulties and the absence of a stable economic base caused nearly half of them to leave.

3- Approximately 40,000 Jews arrived in Palestine during the Third Aliyah; relatively few returned to their countries of origin.

4- In all, the Fourth Aliyah brought 82,000 Jews to Palestine, of whom 23,000 left.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-first-aliyah-1882-1903

livingengine
livingengine
4 years ago
Reply to  Helen4Yemen

wow! she left a link. thank you for that.

Helen4Yemen
Helen4Yemen
4 years ago

No Arab country expelled it’s Jewish population – none.

Why don’t you tell me which Arab country did, when and

how they were expelled?

Liatris Spicata
Liatris Spicata
4 years ago
Reply to  Helen4Yemen

No Arab country expelled it’s Jewish population – none.

Helen, that is just a blatant falsehood. You should study the history a bit. Ok, they could have stayed- and been murdered.

I am enjoying this, but I do need to go. I can be back in a few hours. As to how they were expelled, please read this:

http://jcpa.org/article/the-expulsion-of-the-jews-from-muslim-countries-1920-1970-a-history-of-ongoing-cruelty-and-discrimination/

Helen4Yemen
Helen4Yemen
4 years ago

“Between 1920 and 1970, 900,000 Jews were
expelled from Arab and other Muslim countries.”

This is simply a lie when the first Arab Jews to enter Palestine were the Yemenite Jews who were brought to Palestine like cattle to do the heavy work for the European Jew in 1945 and the tragedy the Yemenite Jewish met at the hands of the European Jews is another topic. You must understand that Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, Yemen, were colonized by the British and the French and they could not have expelled anybody. Notice the Sudden jump in population of 150000 between 1945 and 1950 and most of that population increase was in Morocco which was under the French then. That increase can only be explained by European Jews looking for a safe place after the war.

Year …Arab Jews
1940 … 705,000
1945 … 725,000
1950 … 875,000
1955 … 683,250
1960 … 567,250
1965 … 246,000
1982 …. 76,470

(Source: AJC)

Achmed Mohandjob
Achmed Mohandjob
4 years ago
Reply to  Helen4Yemen

Hello, clitless wonder little hell4yemen. How did the numbers fall from 875,000 to 76,470. And, the 76,470 was in 1982. What are the numbers, today, clitless wonder?

MuhamMUDTheFakeProphet
MuhamMUDTheFakeProphet
4 years ago

She’s probably a brain-dead recent convert to the religion of pi$$.

Achmed Mohandjob
Achmed Mohandjob
4 years ago

If you were a moslem “convert” would you choose “yemen”? Seriously, even a moslem cannot be THAT stupid, can they? Please notice the question mark (?).

MuhamMUDTheFakeProphet
MuhamMUDTheFakeProphet
4 years ago

Yemen is a majority muslum cuntry. There are 3050 other than muslums in that fine islamic sh!ttystan: 3000 Christians and 50 Jews. Maybe she’s not a recent convert, more likely a recent “refugee”.

Achmed Mohandjob
Achmed Mohandjob
4 years ago

I have never had the misfortune of visiting yemen. I do know someone that has … He told me that it is one of, if not the, most backward and filthy countries he’s ever seen … and he’s been in many a moslem sh-thole.

Helen4Yemen
Helen4Yemen
4 years ago

12 August 1972
Jews and Arabs

Sir: One of the most disgusting features in Mr David M. Jacobs’s remarks — to use his own style — is his way of answering facts with misleading and unfounded generalisations. Take his use of the term ‘ Jewish refugees from Arab lands.’ The greatest Arab-Jewish community in Israel is from Morocco. They came mostly in the years 1950-1957. During those years Morocco was firmly under the French rule and France the chief ally of Israel. In addition both the late Mohammad V and his son Hassan II, kings of Morocco, are famous for their particular friendship and protection of the Jewish community. How then can Jews of Morocco be thought of as ‘ refugees ‘? Who expelled them who loaded them on trucks and brought them to the border, as in the cases that I mentioned and to which Mr Jacobs — disgustingly — does not refer? But perhaps the best evidence is what the Moroccan Jews in Israel are saying right now, and I will quote Mr Kokhavi Shemesh, one of the leaders of the Israeli Black Panthers.’ Referring to the supposed hatred of Arabs for Jews he says: “The establishment is the one who cultivated this hatred by means employed already when we lived in Iraq and Morocco. The Jews lived next to the Arabs in Iraq in peace and rest until the emissaries of Zionism came and threw bombs into Jewish centres in order to generate conflicts between us and the Arabs.” (Ma’ariv, April 11, 1972) It will interest you and your readers that a common JewishArab alignment is being rapidly formed in Israel and outside, whose aim will be to prevent both our peoples being used by foreign racists. While of course there are some Jewish intellectuals who oppose both apartheid and Zionism, like me, for example, the important point is that the Zionistic Federation and all the Jewish organisations dominated by it have refrained from a single declaration about the apartheid. This includes such organisations as the World Jewish Congress, the American Jewish Congress, and the Commonwealth Association of the Jewish Congregations. On the part of the South African government a similar attitude is displayed. While money cannot be exported from South Africa for any charitable purpose whatsoever — even the Red Cross and Oxfam — Zionistic funds going to Israel are excepted from this prohibition. Your readers have only to ask themselves the old question: ‘ cui bono?’ and they will come to the conclusion — to imitate Lord Macaulay — that not only the Zionistic organisation supports apartheid but it does so for money . . Finally I would like to quote some figures in rebuttal of Mr F. E. Isaac’s (Letters August 5) totally false picture of the situation of the Arab minority in Israel. I will concentrate on Arabs in Israeli universities. In the Hebrew University of Jerusalem among about 1,500 teachers there was not a single Arab last year. The number of Arab students was about 250 out of 16,000, including 7,000 Jewish students from overseas. Similarly the Weitzman Institute of Rehovot has not a single Arab scientist or student. Tel Aviv University has one Arab assistant teacher. Haifa University has one Arab lecturer and five assistants. Haifa Technical Institute has none” and the same is true for Be’er Sheba College and the Bar-Ilan University. When considering that Arabs in Israel are 13 per cent of the population — more than the percentage of Jews in any country other than Israel — this is a most shameful record unequalled I believe by any other civilised country in respect of any other significant minority. Your readers would do well if they consider all the assertions of Mr Isaacs in the light of those figures. Israel Amos London, WI http://archive.spectator.co.uk/article/12th-august-1972/14/jews-and-arabs

Helen4Yemen
Helen4Yemen
4 years ago

How and when did the North African countries
expel the Jews since they themselves were
colonized by France? 500,000 out of 850,000
Jews who lived in Arab countries lived in
these North African countries.

Colonized by France:

Country …… From …… To ….. Years
Morocco …. 1912 …… 1956 ….. 44
Tunisia ……. 1881 ….. 1956 ….. 75
Algeria ……..1830 ….. 1962 …. 132

Helen4Yemen
Helen4Yemen
4 years ago

Why did you put Palestine in quotes? Balfour did not say he was giving you “Israel”, he said he was giving you Palestine. Did you inquire what Palestine meant at that time? You can never find in the real world anybody said they were going or coming from “Israel”, but you will find millions of entries where people said were going to or coming from Palestine, knock some sense into your head.

Liatris Spicata
Liatris Spicata
4 years ago
Reply to  Helen4Yemen

Why did you put Palestine quotes?

Because there was never an Arab state or polity in the Holy Land. Never a nation called “Palestine”. It was a term the Romans used when they wanted to obliterate the Jewish connection with the area. The very idea of a “Palestinian” people, distinct from Arabs who lived in other areas of the Middle East, was a 20th century invention.

Helen4Yemen
Helen4Yemen
4 years ago

Exodus 15:14 The people shall hear, and be afraid: sorrow shall take hold on the inhabitants of Palestina.

Isaiah 14:29 Rejoice not thou, whole Palestina, because the rod of him that smote thee is broken: for out of the serpent’s root shall come forth a cockatrice, and his fruit shall be a fiery flying serpent.

Isaiah 14:31 Howl, O gate; cry, O city; thou, whole Palestina, art dissolved: for there shall come from the north a smoke, and none shall be alone in his appointed times.

Joel 3:4 Yea, and what have ye to do with me, O Tyre, and Zidon, and all the coasts of Palestine? will ye render me a recompence? and if ye recompense me, swiftly and speedily will I return your recompence upon your own head.

(King James version)

Liatris Spicata
Liatris Spicata
4 years ago
Reply to  Helen4Yemen

Ok, this is getting tedious. Yes, when the Romans conquered the land of the Jews, they based their new designation for the region on an older name, something like Filistine. Philistines were an ancient people who, from a cultural standpoint, disappeared from the face of the earth.

These Philistines bear no significant relation to the people calling themselves “Palestinian” today. Their descendents undoubtedly do live in the area.

I am not sure what point you are trying to make. I think you are simply obfuscating, and avoiding a genuine search for the truth. To the extent that is true, you are simply a waste of my time.

Good night.

Helen4Yemen
Helen4Yemen
4 years ago

Since we know for fact that there are no indigenous Palestinian Jews on the face of the earth, the only explanation that makes sense why they disappeared is that they converted to Christianity and then Islam. If you disagree, tell me what happened to the indigenous Palestinian Jews?

Helen4Yemen
Helen4Yemen
4 years ago

David Ben-Gurion – 1918: “The fellahin are not descendants of the
Arab conquerors, who captured Eretz Israel and Syria in the seventh
century CE. The Arab victors did not destroy the agricultural
population they found in the country. They expelled only the alien
Byzantine rulers, and did not touch the local population. Nor did the
Arabs go in for settlement.”

Itzhak Ben-Zvi – 1929: “The great majority of the fellahin do not
descend from the Arab conquerors but before that, from the Jewish
fellahin, who were the foundation of this country before its conquest
by Islam.”

Achmed Mohandjob
Achmed Mohandjob
4 years ago
Reply to  Helen4Yemen

Why are you attempting to tell so many Bald Face Lies, little hell4yemen? TOO funny! You are SO much fun to laugh AT.

Liatris Spicata
Liatris Spicata
4 years ago
Reply to  Helen4Yemen

Helen,

Ben-Gurion was not qualified as a historian or geneticist to make that determination. It is interesting that Ben-Zvi claimed that most of the “Palestinians” were descendants of Jews. Undoubtedly, there is a lot of Jewish ancestry in throughout the Middle East.

Thurston Howell III
Thurston Howell III
4 years ago
Reply to  Helen4Yemen

ISRAEL is a country. “palestine” is an idea.

Helen4Yemen
Helen4Yemen
4 years ago

The problem is that 95% of world Jewry have no connection to King David but rather to King Bulan of Khazria. The European Jew is European from his head to his toe but likes to pretend that he is Israelite

Thurston Howell III
Thurston Howell III
4 years ago
Reply to  Helen4Yemen

since you like quoting the bible you KNOW that Israel was given to the J ews.

Current day “palestinians” are nothing but squatters and terrorists extorting money from the world through guilt politics and then using the money on building tunnels, terrorism, and lobbing rockets on a near-daily basis.

Achmed Mohandjob
Achmed Mohandjob
4 years ago
Reply to  Helen4Yemen

Hello again, hell4yemen. You truly are SO much fun to laugh AT. Not as much a blithering idiot as your close friend, LIAR spittoon but fun to laugh AT, none-the-less. Do you also have a make-believe “Korean wife”? Blithering idiots abound … and you definitely fall into that category, little hell4yemen.

livingengine
livingengine
4 years ago
Reply to  Helen4Yemen

“Citing the lack of any reliable source for the conversion story, and the lack of credible explanations for sources that suggest otherwise or are inexplicably silent, Stampfer concludes that the simplest and most convincing answer is that the Khazar conversion is a legend with no factual basis. There never was a conversion of a Khazar king or of the Khazar elite, he says. ” https://new.huji.ac.il/en/article/22007

Helen4Yemen
Helen4Yemen
4 years ago
Reply to  livingengine

Bernie Sanders is 97.7% “Ashkenazi-Jewish”. Is he:

a) 97.7% ….. Middle Eastern
b) 97.7% ….. Eastern European
c) 97.7% ….. Western European
d) 97.7% ….. Southern European
e) 97.7% …… Northern European
f) 97.7% …….. Khazar

Only one is the correct answer. Which one?

https://youtu.BE/nhU45VFd3Sk

Achmed Mohandjob
Achmed Mohandjob
4 years ago
Reply to  Helen4Yemen

Listing a You Tube video as “source material”. Only a moslem could be THAT stupid. What little brain, with which they’re born, really goes whackers once that clitoris is chopped out. Poor little hell4yemen .. You poor, poor little clitless thing.

livingengine
livingengine
4 years ago
Reply to  Helen4Yemen

“Mind you, this is all in spite of the fact that, only 3 years prior to Israel’s re-establishment, 6 million Jews were rounded up, separated from their families, herded into death camps, tortured, experimented on, forced into hard labor, forced to watch as their infant children had their heads smashed, and gassed with Zyklon-B on the basis that they are Middle Eastern and thus “inferior” to white Europeans. But now that their Middle Eastern identity is actually of some benefit to Jews, it is taken away? Nope, sorry. You don’t get to do that. You don’t have that right.” https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/ashkenazi-jews-are-indigenous-to-israel-not-europe/

Helen4Yemen
Helen4Yemen
4 years ago
Reply to  livingengine

I read the article and one can only feel sorry for a people who think of themselves to be what they are not. It would be exactly like Chinese Muslims claiming to be not Chinese but Saudi Arabian because that is where their religion came from. I am indigenous to the region. Would you not think that I am able to tell who is indigenous and who is not? The European Jew is indistinguishable from the Germans or the French or the British because he is just another white man. There is absolutely no no dignity for a people who do not honor their own true ancestors. The European Jew has so much dislike for his own white European skin. I would never want to live such a life.

livingengine
livingengine
4 years ago
Reply to  Helen4Yemen

I know. You hate Jews. We figured that out.

Helen4Yemen
Helen4Yemen
4 years ago
Reply to  livingengine

Actually this is what hate looks like and it was actually scary to read it and certainly no one should be subjected to that kind of cruelty and that European Jews did deserve their own state. But that state should have been in Europe. That’s where the problem is. Just because Europeans claim to be Israelites does not make it so and especially today in the age of DNA where it is confirmed no European Jew has any trace of middle Eastern Connection – none.

Why were they so hated?

Mr. Hoffman to Mr. Frelinghuysen.

Legation of the United States,

St. Petersburg, April 29, 1882. (Received May 15.)

Sir: The anti-Jew riots have commenced again in the south of Russia. They have been marked, as heretofore, by great and wanton destruction of property, but by little personal violence.

The scene of the worst disturbances has been the town of Balta, a town of about 25,000 inhabitants, nearly three-quarters of whom are Israelites. It lies about 125 miles northwest of Odessa.

The riot is reported to have been from some trifling cause, such as the refusal of a Russian peasant to pay for the liquor he had drunk in a wine-shop kept by a Jew.

The police, which was very weak, appears to have interfered simply to prevent the Jews from defending themselves.

At first the rioters did not number more than two hundred, many of them boys. But soon the peasants began to come in from the country, joined the rioters, and gave a more serious turn to the affair. The riot lasted two days before troops arrived from Odessa to quell it. During this time, of the thousand houses occupied by Jews, all, except perhaps fifty, were gutted and sacked. As far as ascertained, one Israelite only lost his life. But the amount of suffering undergone by over 15,000 people, men, women, and children, destitute of food and lodging is painful to contemplate.

I am satisfied that the Russian Government is truly anxious to put a stop to these riots. It is reported that in the country far from garrison towns the German inhabitants are very uneasy, and the saying is not uncommon, “After the Jews, the Germans.”

But the position of the Russian Government in this matter is an exceedingly difficult one. In a conversation with General Ignatieff a few days since, he told me that the government had received the reports of the numerous local boards appointed by it last year to suggest measures for the amelioration of the condition of the Jews; that they had not only by a majority, but unanimously, recommended their expulsion from the empire. “We have then,” he said, “on the one hand 5,000,000 Jews, Russian subjects, clamoring to be freed from all special restraints, and we have on the other 85,000,000 Russian subjects clamoring to have the 5,000,000 expelled from the empire. What is to be done in such a case?”

I am, sir,

WICKHAM HOFFMAN.

https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1882/d334

livingengine
livingengine
4 years ago
Reply to  Helen4Yemen

yes, but you have your own hatred. If it wasn’t DNA it would be something else. I would like to know what the Jews have done that has made things worse in Jerusalem? Because it looks to me like they made things better.

Helen4Yemen
Helen4Yemen
4 years ago
Reply to  livingengine

The British could have said the same thing when they were in Kenya, the Belgians could have said the same thing when they were in the Congo, the French could have said the same thing when they were in Algeria. Why do you not get it that no people would ever be willing to relinquish their land to a foreign people? The white feet of the European Jew nor the feet of his ancestors never touched that soil. We have had other white men controlling our region and just because this European claims to be Israelite does not mean that he stopped being European, his blood is 100% European. It doesn’t matter who the invaders are. The resistance to foreign invasion will be the same.

JABOTINSKY – The Iron Wall – 1923

→ Let us consider for a moment the point of view of those to whom this seems immoral. We shall trace the root of the evil to this – that we are seeking to colonise a country against the wishes of its population, in other words, by force. Everything else that is undesirable grows out of this root with axiomatic inevitability. What then is to be done?

Zionism is a colonizing adventure and therefore it stands or falls by the question of armed force. It is important to build, it is important to speak Hebrew, but, unfortunately, it is even more important to be able to shoot–or else I am through with playing at colonization.

→ “My readers have a general idea of the history of colonisation in other countries. I suggest that they consider all the precedents with which they are acquainted, and see whether there is one solitary instance of any colonisation being carried on with the consent of the native population. There is no such precedent.”

→ If you wish to colonize a land in which people are already living, you must provide a garrison on your behalf. Or else – or else, give up your colonization, for without an armed force which will render physically impossible any attempts to destroy or prevent this colonization, colonization is impossible, not “difficult”, not “dangerous” but IMPOSSIBLE!

→ All Natives Resist Colonists There is no justification for such a belief. It may be that some individual Arabs take bribes. But that does not mean that the Arab people of Palestine as a whole will sell that fervent patriotism that they guard so jealously, and which even the Papuans will never sell. Every native population in the world resists colonists as long as it has the slightest hope of being able to rid itself of the danger of being colonised.

→ Colonisation carries its own explanation, the only possible explanation, unalterable and as clear as daylight to every ordinary Jew and every ordinary Arab. Colonisation can have only one aim, and Palestine Arabs cannot accept this aim. It lies in the very nature of things, and in this particular regard nature cannot be changed.

→ it is utterly impossible to obtain the voluntary consent of the Palestine Arabs for converting Palestine from an Arab country into a country with a Jewish majority.

→ Every native population, civilised or not, regards its lands as its national home, of which it is the sole master, and it wants to retain that mastery always; it will refuse to admit not only new masters but, even new partners or collaborators.

→ They feel at least the same instinctive jealous love of Palestine, as the old Aztecs felt for ancient Mexico , and their Sioux for their rolling Prairies.

→ We cannot offer any adequate compensation to the Palestinian Arabs in return for Palestine. And therefore, there is no likelihood of any voluntary agreement being reached.

→ Zionist colonisation must either stop, or else proceed regardless of the native population. Which means that it can proceed and develop only under the protection of a power that is independent of the native population – behind an iron wall, which the native population cannot breach.

MuhamMUDTheFakeProphet
MuhamMUDTheFakeProphet
4 years ago
Reply to  Helen4Yemen

Only 50 Jews remain in Yemen Fatima Al Sharmuta, why is that?

Helen4Yemen
Helen4Yemen
4 years ago
Reply to  livingengine

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Helen4Yemen
Helen4Yemen
4 years ago
Reply to  livingengine

What do you know about the Khazars? Who were they and how did the Khazars come to be known today as thee Ashkenazi? Find out here.

https://wp.me/p6Wacz-4nZ

Helen4Yemen
Helen4Yemen
4 years ago
Reply to  livingengine

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Liatris Spicata
Liatris Spicata
4 years ago
Reply to  Helen4Yemen

Helen-

You fail to even say who spoke the words you seem to think are so germane to this discussion. I had hoped that you were a serious person, but, sorry to say, I am concluding otherwise. At very least, you have not come to terms with the process of making an intelligent case.

Helen4Yemen
Helen4Yemen
4 years ago

It means that there’s no way for you to prove me wrong and therefore you are running and hiding. Can you for example give me the name of a single indigenous Palestinian Jew? That you couldn’t do. And there is this ridiculous notion they call the diaspora that they know nothing about. For example, how many of them were there, were they all males or did they have females too? How do they turn out to be white and black and brown? You know that it is a fiction because no Ashkenazi Jew has not even 1% Middle Eastern DNA. And based on this fiction, white Europeans feeling no shame arrived and took Land by force.

Helen4Yemen
Helen4Yemen
4 years ago

How many of these questions can you answer? If none, none of your ‘diaspora’ fiction is true? What do you know about the so-called “diaspora”?

a) How many people left?
b) What % left and what % were left behind?
c) How did they travel? (mode of transportation)?
d) What was the male/female ratio of those who traveled?
e) Did any babies, old people, young kids travel?
f) What was their first destination?
g) What was the point of departure?
h) How long did it take them from departure to destination?

Liatris Spicata
Liatris Spicata
4 years ago
Reply to  livingengine

Glad to have the moderator post something here (although we’d rather have Pamela herself :>). I do think that within Russia, there were groups of people who converted to Judaism: Riasnovksy claimed that was the case with Bulgars.

One Russian Jew (now American) told me that some substantial group converted to Judaism, but they were either killed in pogroms or converted to Christianity within a couple of generations.

In my opinion, this issue, while of historical interest, is irrelevant to this discussion, except to the extent that people like Helen want to hang on to this myth, which I believe was a theory put forward by Arthur Koestler. I also believe that modern genetic testing has shown Koestler was wrong. I don’t think Koestler had any ulterior motives in coming up with this theory, unlike the people endorsing it today.

Helen4Yemen
Helen4Yemen
4 years ago
Achmed Mohandjob
Achmed Mohandjob
4 years ago

Unlike Achmed … You, little LIAR spittoon, with the make-believe “Korean wife” … you ARE a blithering idiot’s blithering idiot. Even more fun to laugh at than hell4yemen.

Liatris Spicata
Liatris Spicata
4 years ago

Unlike Achmed … You, little LIAR spittoon, with the make-believe “Korean wife” … you ARE a blithering idiot’s blithering idiot. Even more fun to laugh at than hell4yemen.

And your evidence for any of these claims is?

Oh, well, having evidence or even reason to believe
what you allegedly think is no bar to people like you forming
“opinions”. People of your ilk will “believe” whatever nonsense
they wish.

Say, jackass, I’ve got a great “religion” for you: Islam.
Ready made for hateful morons like you. Gad, you are a repulsive little jerk. None too bright, either, I would say.

Achmed Mohandjob
Achmed Mohandjob
4 years ago

The truth hurts you, doesn’t it? That’s to be expected from an elderly cat lady, such as you, with a make-believe “Korean” wife.

MuhamMUDTheFakeProphet
MuhamMUDTheFakeProphet
4 years ago
Reply to  Helen4Yemen

Bwahahahahahahahahah, “co-existed in peace” yeah as long as the Christians knew their place as second-class citizens willing to pay the jizya w/willing subservience. FU and your lies.

R. Arandas
R. Arandas
4 years ago
Reply to  Helen4Yemen

Yet the Christians (and the Jews for that matter) were subservient to the Muslims and THEIR religious laws, it was hardly the most healthy or balanced relationship dynamic.

Liatris Spicata
Liatris Spicata
4 years ago
Reply to  R. Arandas

it was hardly the most healthy or balanced relationship dynamic.

Hey, R, you certainly are going out on a limb with that one! (lol)

Somewhat to my disappointment, I am concluding that “Helen4Yemen” is something of a troll, in addition to being a waste of time. She is not interested in genuine dialogue, but rather just wants to state her “beliefs”. Despite at least some superficial knowledge of the subject, she appears to me to lack the sophistication to frame any kind of concerted case for her point of view.

Helen4Yemen
Helen4Yemen
4 years ago
Reply to  R. Arandas

When this story first appeared, Jews were very angry and as usual complained to the BBC and the BBC wound up adding paragraphs that were not there on the original such as the Farhoud incident.

……………

Israelis from Iraq remember Babylon

By Lipika Pelham

Jerusalem

“During the Shia festival of Muharram we would take part in the procession and along with our Arab friends, beat our chests to remember the epic battle of Karbala,” said Yakov Reuveni, remembering his youth in 1940s Iraq.

“My best friend was the son of the mayor of Ammara. After school we would go out to the date palm grove with the freshly caught fish from the river Hidekel, which we would barbeque in the fields over an open fire.”
The river Hidekel, Hebrew for the Tigris, runs through his home province, Ammara, 380km (236 miles) south-east of Baghdad.

Among his most cherished memories, says Yakov, is the after-school stroll along the riverbank with his Arab friend.

He grew up in a moderately well-to-do Jewish home with his parents, four siblings and grandparents.

His father had a clothing store in the heart of Ammara’s central market.

Nostalgia

It was an easy, happy life. Jews shared almost all aspects of life with their Arab neighbours, reminisces Yakov.

He was 17 years old in 1951, when his family emigrated to Jerusalem.

For the Jews of Middle Eastern origins, like their European co-religionists, coming to Israel was the culmination of a religious journey – it was the fulfilment of the centuries-old dream to live in the Promised Land.

“ I still think in Arabic, still I can’t string together all my thoughts in Hebrew. You have to understand, my mother tongue is Arabic

Yakov Reuveni

But many who fled the Arab states and came to Israel as part of the mass migration that followed the creation of the Jewish state in 1948, look back with nostalgia and fondness for the life that they had left behind.

Israel has a vibrant Iraqi Jewish community who arrived throughout the 1950s. Many Iraqi Jews settled in the area known as Mahane Yehuda in the heart of west Jerusalem.

It is a famous market with alleyways lined with grocery shops: rows after rows of shops laden with colourful fruit and vegetables, fresh fish, dried fruit, sweets, different kinds of bread, cheese, traditional salted fish.

These stores are still mostly owned by the descendants of the Iraqi and Kurdish Jewish immigrants.

Fish feast

“The most memorable taste was the fish called maskuf, from the river Hidekel,” says Yakov.

“After the Sabbath, we would wander off to the fields and have a feast with fish cooked on the spit, Iraqi pita and arak.”

After maskuf and arak, a strong aniseed flavoured local alcoholic drink, the boys would go to Ammara’s club to watch belly dancing.

“ Most of us still feel connected to the country where we or our ancestors came from. Our parents and our grandparents still remember many things from their Iraqi past and they bring them to us, with food, music, language ”
Eli Mizrakhi
Yakov recalls, with vivid, powerful details, the life that he had once led, a life that was changed overnight by the political realities of the time.

“We used to eat with them, sleep with them, go to school with them, the Arabs and the Jews went to the same high school.

“We never thought of who was Jewish and who was Arab, until 1947. It all suddenly changed. The people that you knew as good people turned into bad people for you and you became bad for them. It was very sad,” Yakov said.

But, while anti-Jewish sentiment flared up after the creation of Israel and the subsequent Arab-Israeli war in 1948-49, discrimination and attacks on Jews were part of life in Iraq.

In the most notorious incident, mobs rampaged through the Jewish district of Baghdad killing an estimated 170 Jews in 1941, in what became known as the Farhoud massacre.

By 1952, 120,000 Jews, about three quarters of the community, had fled Iraq for Israel.

Thinking in Arabic

In the heart of the Mahane Yehuda market is Cafe Mizrakhi, which specialises in certain traditional delicacies from Iraq. The word Mizrakhi means Oriental Jews.

It is owned by Eli Mizrakhi, whose family came from northern Iraq, or what is now known as Iraqi Kurdistan.

“Most of us still feel connected to the country where we or our ancestors came from. Our parents and our grandparents still remember many things from their Iraqi past and they bring them to us, with food, music, language.”

Both Eli and Yakov agree that despite having gone through the process of assimilation into Israel, they keep alive many aspects of their previous lives, in particular, Iraqi food and speaking Arabic.

“We used to eat kubbeh and bamia, or okra. The kubbeh, made with minced lamb, was the national food for the Jews all over Iraq. Thursday was the day of khitchri – it’s a dish cooked with rice and lentils.

“I still think in Arabic, still I can’t string together all my thoughts in Hebrew. You have to understand, my mother tongue is Arabic,” says Yakov.

Now living in a small cottage with his wife in south Jerusalem, Yakov keeps himself busy recreating sweet pickled orange from his youth, while longing to someday return to Babylon.

Story from BBC NEWS:

http://news.bbc.co.UK/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/middle_east/6611667.stm

Published: 2007/05/2007

Helen4Yemen
Helen4Yemen
4 years ago
Reply to  R. Arandas

Can you tell us which country you are talking about and can you give us examples of what happened for each country?

R. Arandas
R. Arandas
4 years ago
Reply to  Helen4Yemen

In which Muslim country did they have equal status with Muslims, legally speaking?

Helen4Yemen
Helen4Yemen
4 years ago
Reply to  R. Arandas

I asked you a question and you’re not supposed to answer with your own question!
Can you answer the question I asked you?

Helen4Yemen
Helen4Yemen
4 years ago
Reply to  R. Arandas

In which Christian country did they have equal status?

Were they not thrown out of Europe more than a hundred times?

I asked you why would the Jews of Spain go to North Africa if they are being treated bad by Muslims? Why not to go elsewhere? Do you have an answer for me?

livingengine
livingengine
4 years ago
Reply to  Helen4Yemen

Maybe that was as far as they could run. Maybe they only had so much money. Maybe . . .

MuhamMUDTheFakeProphet
MuhamMUDTheFakeProphet
4 years ago
Reply to  Helen4Yemen

Classic Tu Quoque. Maimonides only went to N. Africa from Spain because the muslums there (i.e. in Spain) gave him the unique trinary choice of: convert to islum, die, leave the country.

Helen4Yemen
Helen4Yemen
4 years ago
Reply to  R. Arandas

1) why did the Spanish Jews go to North African countries, mostly Muslim? Why not go elsewhere? And they remained for centuries, did they not? Who forced them to stay? After all, they were guests, why did they not leave?

2) Herzl was desperately trying to have the Sultan agree to have European Jews move to Ottoman empire. Why would he want them to go to a Muslim region where they would be oppressed? Why not go to other non-Muslim countries that would give them freedom?

livingengine
livingengine
4 years ago
Reply to  Helen4Yemen

they did not expel a million people.

Liatris Spicata
Liatris Spicata
4 years ago
Reply to  livingengine

they did not expel a million people.

Correct, they did not. Not even a million Arabs left as a result of war of 1948-1949.

Helen is making up- or simply repeating- propaganda. I am curious where she is coming from, but find I am quickly losing interest in her pronouncements.

I had hopes that a discussion with Helen could be engaging, informative, and educational for us both. I now think my hopes were unfounded.

livingengine
livingengine
4 years ago

she hates Jews, and that’s all there is to it.

Helen4Yemen
Helen4Yemen
4 years ago
Reply to  livingengine

Ben Gurion: But Jews are coming to Palestine because it is our country, it has been our homeland for 3,500 years … We are here on the basis of the fact that it is the country of our people; we were dispossessed by force and we did not give it up. We are coming back to our home.
….

You do understand that Mr. Grun did not have one tiny droplet of Middle Eastern genes in his blood as he was completely European. That would be like Chinese Muslims returning Saudi Arabia

Helen4Yemen
Helen4Yemen
4 years ago
Reply to  livingengine

Expulsion of the Palestinians. Do you dispute any of these figures?

1948 ………….Population ……. Expelled …….. Remained … Expelled %
Muslims ……..1,157,000 ……. 1,034,000 …… 123,000 ………… 90%
Christians ……. 143,000 ………..110,000 ……… 33,000 ……….. 77%
Total ……….. .1,300,000 ……. 1,144,000 ……..156,000 ………… 88%

livingengine
livingengine
4 years ago
Reply to  Helen4Yemen

please leave links. that is how it is done here, Helen.

Helen4Yemen
Helen4Yemen
4 years ago
Reply to  livingengine

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livingengine
livingengine
4 years ago
Reply to  Helen4Yemen

ok, and?

Helen4Yemen
Helen4Yemen
4 years ago
Reply to  livingengine

Expulsion of the Palestinians. Do you dispute any of these figures?

1948 ………….Population ……. Expelled …….. Remained … Expelled %
Muslims ……..1,157,000 ……. 1,034,000 …… 123,000 ………… 90%
Christians ……. 143,000 ………..110,000 ……… 33,000 ……….. 77%
Total ……….. .1,300,000 ……. 1,144,000 ……..156,000 ………… 88%

Helen4Yemen
Helen4Yemen
4 years ago
Reply to  livingengine

Can you dispute any of these figures? Can you please
tell me which ones you dispute?

Year …. Jews ……. Non-Jews …. Total …. % Jewish

1918 …… 60,000 ….. 600,000 ……. 660,000 …….8.10%
1931 ….. 174,610 …. 861,211 …. 1,035,821 …. 16.90%
1936 ….. 384,078 …. 982,614 …. 1,366,692 ….. 28.10%

1946 ….. 543,000 …. 1,267,037 …. 1,810,037 …. 30.00%
1948 ….. 716,700 ……. 156,000 ……. 872,700 ….. 82.10%

1950 …. 1,203,000 …. 167,100 …. 1,370,100 …. 87.80%
1955 …. 1,590,500 …. 198,600 …. 1,789,100 …. 88.90%
1960 …. 1,911,300 …. 239,100 …. 2,150,400 …. 88.90%
1965 …. 2,299,100 …. 299,300 …. 2,598,400 …. 88.50%
1970 …. 2,582,000 …. 440,100 …. 3,022,100 …. 85.50%
1975 …. 2,959,400 …. 533,800 …. 3,493,200 …. 84.70%
1980 …. 3,282,700 …. 639,000 …. 3,921,700 …. 83.70%
1985 …. 3,517,200 …. 749,000 …. 4,266,200 …. 82.50%
1990 …. 3,946,700 …. 875,000 …. 4,821,700 …. 81.90%
1995 …. 4,522,300 …. 1,090,000 …. 5,612,300 …. 80.60%
2000 …. 4,955,400 …. 1,413,900 …. 6,369,300 …. 77.80%
2005 …. 5,313,800 …. 1,676,900 …. 6,990,700 …. 76.00%
2010 …. 5,802,900 …. 1,892,200 …. 7,695,100 …. 75.40%
2015 …. 6,217,400 …. 2,078,000 …. 8,295,400 …. 75%
2017 …. 6,484,000 …. 2,196,000 …. 8,680,000 …. 74.70%

Helen4Yemen
Helen4Yemen
4 years ago
Reply to  livingengine

Can you dispute any of these figures? Can you please
tell me which ones you dispute?

Year …. Jews ……. Non-Jews …. Total …. % Jewish

1918 …… 60,000 ….. 600,000 ……. 660,000 …….8.10%
1931 ….. 174,610 …. 861,211 …. 1,035,821 …. 16.90%
1936 ….. 384,078 …. 982,614 …. 1,366,692 ….. 28.10%

1946 ….. 543,000 …. 1,267,037 …. 1,810,037 …. 30.00%
1948 ….. 716,700 ……. 156,000 ……. 872,700 ….. 82.10%

1950 …. 1,203,000 …. 167,100 …. 1,370,100 …. 87.80%
1955 …. 1,590,500 …. 198,600 …. 1,789,100 …. 88.90%
1960 …. 1,911,300 …. 239,100 …. 2,150,400 …. 88.90%
1965 …. 2,299,100 …. 299,300 …. 2,598,400 …. 88.50%
1970 …. 2,582,000 …. 440,100 …. 3,022,100 …. 85.50%
1975 …. 2,959,400 …. 533,800 …. 3,493,200 …. 84.70%
1980 …. 3,282,700 …. 639,000 …. 3,921,700 …. 83.70%
1985 …. 3,517,200 …. 749,000 …. 4,266,200 …. 82.50%
1990 …. 3,946,700 …. 875,000 …. 4,821,700 …. 81.90%
1995 …. 4,522,300 …. 1,090,000 …. 5,612,300 …. 80.60%
2000 …. 4,955,400 …. 1,413,900 …. 6,369,300 …. 77.80%
2005 …. 5,313,800 …. 1,676,900 …. 6,990,700 …. 76.00%
2010 …. 5,802,900 …. 1,892,200 …. 7,695,100 …. 75.40%
2015 …. 6,217,400 …. 2,078,000 …. 8,295,400 …. 75%
2017 …. 6,484,000 …. 2,196,000 …. 8,680,000 …. 74.70%

canuck7
canuck7
4 years ago
Reply to  Helen4Yemen

“The Jews point with pride to the fact that
over 500,000 Arabs in the 12 years between 1932 and 1944, came into
Palestine to take advantage of living conditions existing in no other
Arab state. This is the only country in the Near and Middle East where
an Arab middle class is in existence.”
Robert Kennedy in 1948

http://robertkennedyandisrael.blogspot.com/

Helen4Yemen
Helen4Yemen
4 years ago
Reply to  canuck7

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MuhamMUDTheFakeProphet
MuhamMUDTheFakeProphet
4 years ago
Reply to  Helen4Yemen

Do you believe the Temple Mount belongs to f’ing muslums because muhahahahahahahahahaMAD the prophet for profit took a non-stop night flight on the back of a winged donkey w/the head of a woman from Soddy Barbaria to the Temple Mount?

livingengine
livingengine
4 years ago
Reply to  Helen4Yemen

comment image Shirley Temper is blonde,

Helen4Yemen
Helen4Yemen
4 years ago
Reply to  livingengine

This Ahed Tamimi?
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Helen4Yemen
Helen4Yemen
4 years ago
Reply to  livingengine

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livingengine
livingengine
4 years ago
Reply to  Helen4Yemen
Helen4Yemen
Helen4Yemen
4 years ago
Reply to  livingengine

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Italians have significant levels of of Middle Eastern ancestry but European Jews have none. Can you show me a single DNA result for any Ashkenazi who has even 1% Middle Eastern ancestry? I will tell you: You cannot!

Helen4Yemen
Helen4Yemen
4 years ago
Reply to  livingengine

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You need to pay attention to DNA

golem2
golem2
4 years ago
Reply to  Helen4Yemen

Not true.

Tamara Hussey-Mecklenburg
Tamara Hussey-Mecklenburg
4 years ago

“Beware of wolves in sheep’s clothing.”

“…who are inwardly ravening wolves.”

MuhamMUDTheFakeProphet
MuhamMUDTheFakeProphet
4 years ago

I once wrote the execrable and corrupt Senator Feinswein expressing my displeasure at my tax dollars being extorted from me to fund the Jew hating muslum mongrels in the PA — her “reply” or most likely that of one of her rotten, corrupt subordinates was that Fatah was “moderate”.

patd
patd
4 years ago

It’s past time to wipe out the parasitic feral animal muslims!!!!!!

R. Arandas
R. Arandas
4 years ago

If only all the Arabs had managed to become Christian instead of Muslim.

Many of the ancient Arabian tribes had embraced Christianity before the religion of peace swept in. Some even fought alongside the Byzantines against the Caliphate, but eventually they were overwhelmed.

Helen4Yemen
Helen4Yemen
4 years ago
Reply to  R. Arandas

And if that had happened the chances of a Jewish state erected on that
land would have been impossible.
_____________

The Secretary of State to President Wilson

Washington, December 13, 1917 . My Dear Mr. President: There is being

brought considerable pressure for the issuance of a declaration in regard to this

Government’s attitude as to the disposition to be made of Palestine. This

emanates naturally from the Zionist element of the Jews. My judgment is that we

should go very slowly in announcing a policy for three reasons. First, we are not

at war with Turkey and therefore should avoid any appearance of favoring taking

territory from that Empire by force. Second, the Jews are by no means a unit in

the desire to reestablish their race as an independent people; to favor one or the

other faction would seem to be unwise. Third, many Christian sects and

individuals would undoubtedly resent turning the Holy Land over to the

absolute control of the race credited with the death of Christ. For practical

purposes I do not think that we need go further than the first reason given since

that is ample ground for declining to announce a policy in regard to the final

disposition of Palestine. Faithfully yours, Robert Lansing

https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1914-20v02/d59

Liatris Spicata
Liatris Spicata
4 years ago
Reply to  Helen4Yemen


And if that had happened the chances of a Jewish state erected on that land would have been impossible.

You cannot know it was “impossible”- you are venturing into reasonable speculation, but you have a presumption of knowledge that you simply do not have.

As it was, the resurrection of a Jewish state, after 2000 years, strikes me as one of history’s unlikely events.

But your conclusion simply does not follow from the “evidence” you cited- you seem to have a regular habit of concluding what you wish from plausible, but hardly convincing, evidence. In other words, you do not make a sincere effort to seek the truth- you merely want to state your case, and you find generally reasonable supporting evidence. One rejoinder to your claim might be that European, American and even Russian attitudes toward Jews were rather different in 1945 than in 1917.

Liatris Spicata
Liatris Spicata
4 years ago
Reply to  R. Arandas

R,

As I am sure you are aware, before the Arab armies swept through the Byzantine Empire and much of North Africa, those areas were Christian. And my understanding is those people converted entirely of their own accord (unlike, say France, or Gaul, where people converted to Christianity under duress). Conversion to Islam could rarely be called voluntary, as people faced the choice of converting, living as dhimmis, or death.

Ziggy46
Ziggy46
4 years ago

Good post, Liatris Spicata.

Helen4Yemen
Helen4Yemen
4 years ago

Then you need to explain why the Jews of Spain choice Muslim countries as their destination when they got expelled? Why did they not go anywhere else? Why to Muslim lands?

R. Arandas
R. Arandas
4 years ago

That is all the more tragic. So much heritage and knowledge lost forever. It makes one wonder….what if things had gone differently, how our world would be today.

Dennis Durkop
Dennis Durkop
4 years ago
Reply to  Helen4Yemen

The Quran says for them to kill Jews, which they have totally murdered all by committing genocide in many of the Islamic controlled nations long ago which continues to this day stealing the Jews land and wealth! The first recorded genocide of Jews is recorded in the Quran by the aftermath of the city of Medina with the rape of the female Jews in front of their husbands and then the males beheaded and celebrated as a Muslim holiday today!

MuhamMUDTheFakeProphet
MuhamMUDTheFakeProphet
4 years ago
Reply to  Helen4Yemen

Bwahahahahahahahaahahahah, what f’ing patent bullshite, but a lie a day is the prophet’s way eh, Sharmuta? The muslums might not have expelled them by force — as a matter of fact Bashar Assad’s father forbid Jewish women from LEAVING Syria — but they persecuted the Jews to such a degree they had no choice but to leave.

Dennis Durkop
Dennis Durkop
4 years ago

Muslims say this is fake news as this tax is not being used today! Please post on Facebook for me, as Muslims keep having me blocked there!

191njstatechamp
191njstatechamp
4 years ago

‘The ?religion? of peace’? ..and harmony all over the world.

Badger
Badger
4 years ago

What on earth are Christians doing living in the West Bank? They should move into Israel proper where they can enjoy asylum. One day the Israeli government will do the inevitable and formally annex Judea and Samaria and begin clearing out all Palestinians that show hostility to other faiths.

Liatris Spicata
Liatris Spicata
4 years ago
Reply to  Badger

Badger, Christian Arabs do not generally have the option of moving to Israel. Israel accords a right of return only to Jews.

Unfortunately, all too many Christians in the Middle East harbor anti-Jewish sentiments. I think they embraced some of the values of the predominant group.

John Acord
John Acord
4 years ago

The next step must be for Trump to recognize the annexation of Judea and Samaria by Israel and to settle the Christians in these areas and make it into a refuge for the minorities persecuted by the Muslims throughout the Middle East.

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