UPDATE on Notre Dame Fire: Here’s what we know about what started the fire

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Here is a little background first from Maxime Lépante, our French correspondent in France:

Notre-Dame was one of the most important jewels of all human history. It started the “Gothic” architecture revolution, that was, from 12th to 15th century called “francigenum opus” (“French art”) before being called “gothic” by the Italians. It’s the epitome of Western civilization and christian art. The framing of the roof, which was one of the biggest masterpieces of human carpentry, is permanently destroyed. The stained glasses (biggest and most ancient rose windows in Europe) are probably saved.

Some other information :

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1) the workers who were refurbishing the roof of Notre-Dame are among the best specialized craftsmen in the world, concerning the restauration of medieval monuments (their title is “Meilleur Ouvrier de France”).They love their work, and take all the necessary precautions. They have worked in many rooms of the Castle of Versailles, they have restored many churches and cathedrals. For example, they worked during more than 20 years on the marvelous Strasbourg cathedral (I lived in Strasbourg and saw their progress), and there was never a single problem.

2) the workers stopped at 6:00 PM, the fire started at 6:50 PM, near scaffoldings, used to climb there.

3) no electricity was allowed near the roof, because it was made in wood and as a matter of security, every inflamable thing was banned too. So, to have a fire there, someone needed to bring something.

Here is the latest update from Maxime Lépante, our French correspondent in France (emphasis is mine):

This is an update about what we know today about the fire that destroyed the roof and parts of the vaults of Notre-Dame:

1) Restoration work hadn’t started on the roof. The scaffolding were still being put in place. The architect in chief of the “Monuments Historiques” (“Historical Monuments”, the administration that maintains and repairs monuments in France), Philippe Villeneuve, who was responsible for the refurbishing of the spire of Notre-Dame, has stated that : “Work had not started yet, scaffoldings were still being built”.

2) Everything was done to avoid any source of heat near the wood of the roof. No electrical plug, no welding were allowed. So, Philippe Villeneuve says : “The hot spot hypothesis is therefore not the right one”.

3) The head of the company that was building the scaffoldings (Europe Echafaudage) (Europe Scaffolding), Julien Le Bras, was interviewed by a French TV (BFM) : “All I can say for the time being is that at the moment of the fire, absolutely none of the employees of my company was present on site”.

4) He added : “All safety procedures on the Notre-Dame de Paris site have been respected”.

5) One of my friend sent me an email concerning the security on the roof of Notre-Dame. She has a diploma in Art history and studied in the “Ecole du Louvre” (“Louvre School”, were students learn art history and restoration processes) : “I visited the framing of Notre Dame with architects of the “Bâtiments de France” (“Buildings of France”, the highest rank for an architect in France), some years ago. This 13th century timber frame was extremely protected. Each intervention is always accompanied by historians, architects, experts; no work is envisaged without extreme caution; no source of heat, no torch, no electrical apparatus is allowed; a high-performance alarm system is in place; and very strict supervision of all people allowed there. I think we will eventually learn that this was arson.”

6) So, as I said yesterday, with all these security measures, to have a fire on the roof of Notre-Dame, someone had to bring something there, and lit it up.

Sources :

For 1 and 2, see the article of “Le Monde”, reserved to the paying members, but the important parts have been copied here:

For 3 and 4, see the article of the “Journal du Dimanche”, here.

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https://twitter.com/PamelaGeller/status/1118548522759073793

Previously:

Le mar. 16 avr. 2019 à 04:06, Maxime Lépante a écrit :

Hello again,

Notre-Dame was one of the most important jewels of all human history. It started the “gothic” architecture revolution, that was, from 12th to 15th century called “francigenum opus” (“French art”) before being called “gothic” by the Italians. It’s the epitome of Western civilization and christian art. The framing of the roof, which was one of the biggest masterpieces of human carpentry, is permanently destroyed. The stained glasses (biggest and most ancient rose windows in Europe) are probably saved.

Some other information :

1) the workers who were refurbishing the roof of Notre-Dame are among the best specialized craftsmen in the world, concerning the restoration of medieval monuments (their title is “Meilleur Ouvrier de France”).They love their work, and take all the necessary precautions. They have worked in many rooms of the Castle of Versailles, they have restored many churches and cathedrals. For example, they worked during more than 20 years on the marvelous Strasbourg cathedral (I lived in Strasbourg and saw their progress), and there was never a single problem.

2) the workers stopped at 6:00 PM, the fire started at 6:50 PM, near scaffoldings, used to climb there.

3) no electricity was allowed near the roof, because it was made in wood and as a matter of security, every inflammable thing was banned too. So, to have a fire there, someone needed to bring something.

The fire is criminal (the fire started at least in 2 different places, according to LCI, a French TV) ! (during 9 centuries, there was never a single fire in Notre-Dame!)

It’s a very big probability that this crime, in the middle of the Christian Holy Week, was committed by jihadis

In 2016, 2 veiled Muslim women tried to detonate a car filled with explosives in front of Notre-Dame (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notre_Dame_Cathedral_bombing_attempt).

At the beginning of March, an illegal Muslim immigrant tried to burn down the Saint-Sulpice church (http://www.leparisien.fr/paris-75/paris-l-incendie-a-l-eglise-saint-sulpice-n-etait-pas-accidentel-18-03-2019-8034678.php).

At mid-March, an illegal Muslim immigrant tried to burn down the organ of the Saint-Denis basilica (another jewel) and destroyed stained glass (http://www.leparisien.fr/paris-75/paris-l-incendie-a-l-eglise-saint-sulpice-n-etait-pas-accidentel-18-03-2019-8034678.php).

On Twitter, thousands of Muslims are rejoicing and saying that they are happy that Notre-Dame was destroyed ! (http://www.fdesouche.com/1192185-sur-les-reseaux-sociaux-des-musulmans-lient-lincendie-de-notre-dame-au-tweet-blasphematoire-du-jeune-hugo-la-veille)

A fire at Saint-Sulpice church in Paris is believed to have been deliberately set

CBN: Across Europe, there has been a growing rise in attacks on churches. Countries like France and Germany have seen a spike in violent vandalism, desecrating cherished churches and Christian symbols in recent months and years.

According to the German news site PI-News, every day in France, two churches are desecrated. They report 1,063 attacks on Christian churches or symbols like crucifixes, icons, and statues in France in 2018, marking a 17 percent increase from the year before.

The Middle East Forum reports that attacks on Catholic churches in France since the start of the year have included smashed statues, broken crosses, and demolished tabernacles.

More fro Lepante:

More than 2 churches vandalized each day in France in 2018. This fire is probably a criminal fire. We will see what the experts will say. But I remind you that Hollande and the media orchestrated a coverup, after the Muslim terrorist attack in the Bataclan, to hide the fact that many civilians had been beheaded, eviscerated, emasculated, their eyes torn out, etc.
Of course, the media and Macron will try to pretend that this was an accident, but we know that churches don’t burn “all by themselves”.
According to the French Interior Ministry, there were 1063 anti-Christian crimes in 2018 (and 541 anti-Jewish crimes) in France. In average, each day 2 churches are desecrated and vandalized. When the perpretators are found, they are usually Muslims (and a small minority are anti-Christian “pagans” or “satanists”).
Compared to this, there were only 100 anti-Muslim incidents in 2018 in France, and I say deliberately “incidents” and not “crimes”, because the police report a “hate crime” when an imam receives a slice of ham in the mail, or when someone writes, on the wall of a mosque, “cheers to the pigs”, and other banal jokes.
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lostlegends
lostlegends
4 years ago

Arrest the usual suspects. I figure the mozzies did it. They’ve been attacking churches all over France. Burning them, too. Why leave off the hit list the biggest, most important target of them all.

Bill
Bill
4 years ago
Reply to  lostlegends

Or Communist/Anarchist

RRRow
RRRow
4 years ago

I don’t get it…. seemed like a such a good idea to import Muslims in to Paris a few years back (sarcasm). When will people realize that this is NOT a religion, but a destructive army disguised as a religion?

Rocinante44
Rocinante44
4 years ago
Reply to  RRRow

the french may as well import rats and pretend they will become civilized

bugandco
bugandco
4 years ago
Reply to  Rocinante44

Rather live next to rats.

jbaviera
jbaviera
4 years ago
Reply to  bugandco

Yep! Rats are cleaner!

CharlieSeattle
CharlieSeattle
4 years ago
Reply to  Rocinante44

The French are the rats and they love fleas.

Bagsgroove
Bagsgroove
4 years ago
Reply to  Rocinante44

Please don’t insult the rats !

Alondra
Alondra
4 years ago
Reply to  Bagsgroove

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AnObservationReally
AnObservationReally
4 years ago
Reply to  RRRow

The facts that Muslims have prayers and a Holy book, does not make Islam a religion in the western sense of the word, anymore than the facts that a tadpole has gills and lives in the water makes it a fish. Islam is the embryonic from of an Islamic government. Even most Muslims would agree with that.

Mickey Oberman
Mickey Oberman
4 years ago

So, the blame transfers from Jews to frogs.

Lucius_Severus_Pertinax
Lucius_Severus_Pertinax
4 years ago

Islam is Barbarism, and its “Holy Book” is its User’s Manual

Lucius_Severus_Pertinax
Lucius_Severus_Pertinax
4 years ago

Define “destruction”.
As for Facts,I already have them- There is nothing in Islamic Culture that is of any Value that India, Persia, the Byzantine Empire and, later, Europe, did not teach it.
Refute that, if you can.

Lucius_Severus_Pertinax
Lucius_Severus_Pertinax
4 years ago

Crickets…….

Lucius_Severus_Pertinax
Lucius_Severus_Pertinax
4 years ago

Everything you just said is true; but is in no way relevant to the fact that Islamic Culture is still Garbage.
One wonders how many times you have Cut and pasted the above Rant.

Lucius_Severus_Pertinax
Lucius_Severus_Pertinax
4 years ago

Whining?
When was I whining? Never mind; the Bottom Line- Islam is Barbarism…with a User’s Manual.
Which readily explains your inability to refute any of my original points.

Bart's Bantering
Bart's Bantering
4 years ago
Reply to  RRRow

And why does it seem the Pope is doing all he can to unite Catholics with Muzzies, to make them all just one religion? Reality proves it is not possible, with this arson fire proving he point.

LarryJ ✓ᴰᵉᵖˡᵒʳᵃᵇˡᵉ
LarryJ ✓ᴰᵉᵖˡᵒʳᵃᵇˡᵉ
4 years ago
Reply to  RRRow

It’s an evil ideology, not “a religion of peace”.

Memnon
Memnon
4 years ago
Reply to  RRRow

When will you realize Geller is lying, workers do take heating equipment up to the Notre-Dame:

https://www.newyorker.com/news/dispatch/on-the-roof-of-notre-dame-before-it-burned

Phillip
Phillip
4 years ago
Reply to  RRRow

I studied in Paris in the early 70s – there was an Islamic no-go area with many North Africans who made locals afraid to visit at night. This was an echo of past and present colonialist behaviour and makes France very vulnerable to legal invasion under the guise of entry by right.

Jim Austin
Jim Austin
4 years ago

I remember reading a post in Facebook a while back commiserating about all the ancient relics and artifacts that were taken from the Middle East and ended up in European or U.S. museums. The post stated that by all rights, such relics and artifacts should be returned to the Middle East.

My response was that under no circumstances should any such artifact be returned to a Moslem country, that each of such countries have Moslem factions that regard such artifacts as created by infidels and thus should be destroyed. Bringing Moslems to Europe inevitably involves importing such attitudes, and it’s hardly surprising that such attitudes would be implemented.

Scott Gerrels
Scott Gerrels
4 years ago
Reply to  Jim Austin

I’d be ok with returning the relics back to the shithole east if we can send all the muslims with them.

Ayunda
Ayunda
4 years ago
Reply to  Scott Gerrels

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GandalfsTrouserpress
GandalfsTrouserpress
4 years ago
Reply to  Ayunda

Self-upvoting troll alert ///

oeb25
oeb25
4 years ago
Reply to  Scott Gerrels

how about just REPLICAS of relics ? Those heathens wouldn’t know any better, to send back with them.

Jim Austin
Jim Austin
4 years ago
Reply to  Scott Gerrels

How about sending all the Moslems back as relics?

Lydia Church
Lydia Church
4 years ago
Reply to  Scott Gerrels

Good one!

I also heard from someone that there is another Cathedral in France where ‘some guy’ was buried, I think his name was Martel, who was responsible for a pivotal turning point against the muslim invasions back during the Crusades (which were much needed, despite the reports of imperfection) around the 1200’s. They may target that one too. Ah yes, history does repeat itself with these nasty little invasions. Just a word of warning to the French, I don’t know what it is called, but I would keep an eye on those places if I were you.

Jim Morgan
Jim Morgan
4 years ago
Reply to  Scott Gerrels

Brilliant!

Strangerinastangeland
Strangerinastangeland
4 years ago
Reply to  Scott Gerrels

Just their heads.

Mickey Oberman
Mickey Oberman
4 years ago
Reply to  Jim Austin

Those relics that are now in non Muslim countries are still as beautiful as the day they were finished.

Mike Kevins
Mike Kevins
4 years ago
Reply to  Jim Austin

Years ago, it was discovered that muslims were digging under some holy place and throwing away all the artifacts. In response, Jewish archaeologists started rummaging through the dump and found all sorts of priceless artifacts. Then, the muzzies just started smashing everything they found. Evil heathens. Actually, evil does not even come close to describing these animals.

Jim Austin
Jim Austin
4 years ago
Reply to  Mike Kevins

I wouldn’t call it a clash of civilizations as I don’t regard Moslems as civilized.

Jim Austin
Jim Austin
4 years ago
Reply to  Jim Austin

Such level of civilization reached by Westerners is due entirely to the Renaissance and Age of Enlightenment periods. Such Enlightenment values of reason, science, civilization, abundance resulted in such relatively benign societies that exist on Earth.

The left started as a reaction to the Enlightenment with the likes of Jean Jacques Rousseau saying that science is bad, that civilization is corrupt and that innocence is to be found among primitives.

Statements about westerners not being civilized is typical of leftists whose actual grievance is just the opposite, that their actual preference are for regimes that engage in repression, terror, mass murder. Such leftist regimes managed a nine-digit bodycount during the previous century, and they itch for a continuation of that tradition.

Jim Austin
Jim Austin
4 years ago
Reply to  Jim Austin

The only time liberals condemn a dictatorship is when it is threatened by one that’s worse. Here, he condemns Western nations supporting Saudi Arabia against threats by Iran. It’s part of the liberal human rights policy that seeks to replace an objectionable dictator by one that’s worse.

I suspect this guy’s real grievance against Western nations is that they are not socialist dictatorships, the sort that ran up a nine-digit bodycount the previous century. But they they’ve always considered resistance to such dictatorships as crimes against humanity.

Strangerinastangeland
Strangerinastangeland
4 years ago
Reply to  Jim Austin

Agreed. One of the reasons for removal was Muslim destruction.

Phil McDonald
Phil McDonald
4 years ago

The history of Muslims destroying non Islamic antiquities is numerous and lengthy. The recent destruction by the Taliban (Sunni Muslim), destroying the ancient Buddhists statues in Afghanistan, or Muslim armies burning the largest Hindu library ever built.

Bonnie Pupowner
Bonnie Pupowner
4 years ago
Reply to  Phil McDonald

I cried when those Buddist statues came down.

Born2Vespa
Born2Vespa
4 years ago

Now we cry for our own monuments.

Bonnie Pupowner
Bonnie Pupowner
4 years ago
Reply to  Born2Vespa

Yes, removal or destruction

Phil McDonald
Phil McDonald
4 years ago
Reply to  Phil McDonald

Please review “List of Destroyed Libraries”, where Caliphate, Turks, Muslims, Islamic, Sultan, Ultra-Orthodox (Muslim), Ghurid dynasty (Sunni Muslim) slaughtered indigenous people and burned their libraries of science, religion, literature and poetry. Your ignorant drivel might be politically correct today, but it walks away from the facts of history.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_destroyed_libraries

nineleven
nineleven
4 years ago
Reply to  Phil McDonald

270 million dead from the 1400 year islamic jihad brought about by a blood thirsty man.

Ziggy46
Ziggy46
4 years ago

The plot thickens, and proof of arson is now believable. There is no question the Western MSM will not report these facts. The West is no longer democratic; thus censorship will take the fore. They are unwilling to raise the blood-pressure of Muslims and their Fascist-Liberal allies. If citizens, of not only France but all Western nations, are denied the right to ascertain the truth, one’s democratic rights are naught.

It is a given that denial and disinformation will flourish because of the alliance of Islam and the West’s submissive leadership. Thanks to courageous and forthright people like Pamela Geller the facts, not the fictitious conjuring of the Leftists’ betrayers, are readily at hand.

In all likelihood, Pamela and others disseminating the truth will face criticism, censorship and labeled a bigot or Islamophobe by the Liberals, Neo-Fascist, New World Order.

0349 JAT
0349 JAT
4 years ago
Reply to  Ziggy46

The officials were saying the fire was started by accident.
While the fire was still raging.
Why the rush?

Born2Vespa
Born2Vespa
4 years ago
Reply to  0349 JAT

Because they had already prepared that explanation a week ago during the planning.

Bagsgroove
Bagsgroove
4 years ago
Reply to  Born2Vespa

Who did the original investigation that decided there was no arson. Inspector Clouseau ?

Born2Vespa
Born2Vespa
4 years ago
Reply to  Bagsgroove

My thoughts exactly.

ImNoDhimmi
ImNoDhimmi
4 years ago
Reply to  Bagsgroove

Clouseau would have done a better job.

oeb25
oeb25
4 years ago
Reply to  0349 JAT

Precisely. I was too early to know one way or the other.

Memnon
Memnon
4 years ago
Reply to  0349 JAT

There are obvious signs. How is someone starting a fire, but no one is noticing even when a fire alarm rang. The security frequents the area.

The American
The American
4 years ago
Reply to  0349 JAT

Why are there no firefighters in view for the first few hours?

Ray Bowen
Ray Bowen
4 years ago
Reply to  0349 JAT

Not to disagree with your final point, but Macron said publicly that the fire was being *treated* as an accident.
Which is not the same as claiming that it was in fact an accident.

Ray Bowen
Ray Bowen
4 years ago
Reply to  0349 JAT

Not to disagree with your final point, but Macron said publicly that the fire was being *treated* as an accident.
Which is not the same as claiming that it was in fact an accident.

Memnon
Memnon
4 years ago
Reply to  Ziggy46

Western MSM will not report these facts? Are you sure? Because NY Times already reported the lack of electrical wires in the roof.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/16/world/europe/why-notre-dame-fire-spread.html

Syntec
Syntec
4 years ago
Reply to  Memnon

That article by the New York Times is full of cover up propaganda.

Re read THIS website’s findings and then compare them with the corrupt mainstream media versions such as that one proffered by the New York Times. Only those who are anti-Western, anti-Christian AND anti-White would chose to support the ‘findings’ of the mainstream media which every sane person knows to be totally corrupt, anti-Western, anti-Christian AND anti-White.

The WHOLE worldwide MSN will lie to the hilt in order to protect the Islamic enemy.

Memnon
Memnon
4 years ago
Reply to  Syntec

I did. First this website says no work was ongoing and only scaffolding was being erected, however it doesn’t matter as welding wasn’t taking place and police already dismissed it. Plus, it has already been pointed out by experts that even mere friction could start a fire there. Even when erecting scaffolding let’s presume friction would be created.

In addition, it omits the mention of electricity being provided to the renovation crews up on the roof. The claim of no electricity on roof only applies when there was no work taking place.

Lastly, the claim of old oak not being flammable is a stereotype which the pervious chief architect Mouton relied upon. Not to mention that it would become dry with time and small timbers would easily burn.

Wishful thinking and conspiracies at their best omitting the complete facts.

Syntec
Syntec
4 years ago
Reply to  Memnon

What you say is mere Politically Correct conjecture and without any credibility at all. The statement by those involved including the Police are not to be believed as they are slaves of the COMMUNIST/ZIONIST globalist regime and their livelihoods depend on lying and keeping mouths shut. They are made to rehearse what to say if approached, under the jackboot of Political Correctness censorship as I’ve already stated.

The fact that so many churches have been targeted My Muslims in France even in just one year, (875) as well as all over the world, proves this was no accident. The attacks coinciding with the Christian celebration of Holy Week grants even more weight to that proof.

Churches in Sir Lanka are the very latest target if you care to check.

Memnon
Memnon
4 years ago
Reply to  Syntec

Stereotyping is never a proof. There are obvious signs when it is an arson. An alarm going off for more than half an hour without fire being seen or any suspect seen, no telltale signs of arson etc.

Now for the comment of Zionist, Pamella Geller is herself an ardent Zionist. She wants no peace with Palestinians unless they live under Israeli thumb. So is it possible that she and her anti-Muslim Zionist friends share this just because they are biased?

Syntec
Syntec
4 years ago
Reply to  Memnon

“Stereotyping is never a proof. There are obvious signs when it is an arson. An alarm going off for more than half an hour without fire being seen or any suspect seen, no telltale signs of arson etc.”
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An alarm going off for over half an hour ( which could be merely 31 or more minutes instead of 30) without fire being seen, does NOT prove it wasn’t arson like you are trying to assert. Fire alarms are designed to go off at the presence of smoke alone. Fire doesn’t need to have taken hold for alarms to go off.

I myself saw a video of a man in Muslim garb walking along the ramparts at the top reportedly merely hours before, who suddenly becomes aware he’s been spotted as he suddenly halts and hides behind a concrete pillar. That’s proof Muslims did it. It was no accident at all so stop covering for Muslim terrorists. Yes, it’s possible they had help from Communist Antifa types as well.

Pamela Geller is no Communist. Zionists come in different packages – some anti-Christian, anti-Western and anti-White, some NOT.

Memnon
Memnon
4 years ago
Reply to  Syntec

That video of a man in a “Muslim garb” was a firefighter according to the French firefighters themselves. Cut the BS.

No arsonist or fire spotted during the entire time, because if what the former chief architect Mouton claims was true then it will take a hell of a lot of fuel.

Being a communist or not doesn’t make anything different. She is still a friend of Israel and enemy of Muslims.

Syntec
Syntec
4 years ago
Reply to  Memnon

“That video of a man in a “Muslim garb” was a firefighter according to the French firefighters themselves. Cut the BS.”
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Are you mentally deranged or something? No way was that figure a fire fighter. I think any sane person can tell the difference between Muslim garb and a fire fighter uniform. What are you smoking?

I couldn’t care less whether or not Zionists hate Muslims. Some also hate Christians. So what!

Never mind what the establishment says, they are covering up no about doubt that. Chief architects also need to keep their jobs and hang on to their pensions too and we all know exactly what happens when anyone fails to conform, don’t we now!!

Old oak and more especially several centuries old oak, does not burn well and needs help to catch fire. In other words, ancient oak does not burn with that sort of ferocity unless preparation is undertaken to achieve the desired effect.

Memnon
Memnon
4 years ago
Reply to  Syntec

That wasn’t a Muslim garb in actual but a protection jacket. Especially if you look at the more clearer vesions of the footage, you’ll notice it’s yellow colored. That’s a fire-resistant jacket. And the man is wearing a grey safety helmet.

https://www.thatsnonsense.com/was-a-man-wearing-muslim-garb-spotted-on-notre-dame-balcony-fact-check/

The claim of old oak not burning well is fiction. Not all of the roof is made of oak. Wood normally will start to dry unless it is prevented. Also it actially has a lot of surface area for the fire to spread. Dry old timber will burn quicker.

All they relied on was that old oak wouldn’t burn quickly. That was foolish in first place.

As for so what? Your Zionist masters are lying.

Syntec
Syntec
4 years ago
Reply to  Memnon

And Muslims wouldn’t know to wear protective clothing, is that what your’re suggesting?

He hid behind a column when he became aware he was spotted. No, this was a Muslim all right, no getting away from that fact. How do we know he wasn’t recruited for the job? If suspicions are correct then this will never come out unless some arrests and serious interrogation of hundreds working within the establishment, is undertaken.

Old oak does NOT burn easily, you are lying there. If one is under pressure to get a job done within a restricted time frame like Holy Week, for example, then one would have to use added means to achieve an accelerated result within such a restricted time frame.

Memnon
Memnon
4 years ago
Reply to  Syntec

No it’s a firefighting uniform. He isn’t hiding behind a column but going back through a door. That video you’ve watched was cut. And there were many people on top reported. Because of course they’ll be trying to put it out or assessment at the least.

Yes old oak can burn easily depending on the conditions – how much dirt it has accumulated, how much dry has it become. Not to mention the smaller timbers would be more easily flammeable. The lead when it melted would even spread the fire.

As for accelerated results, ever hear of a flashover? According to the French architects and experts themselves – it would be impossible to stop once it starts going.

Syntec
Syntec
4 years ago
Reply to  Memnon

“He isn’t hiding behind a column but going back through a door. ”
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Nobody has any evidence that there were MANY people on top reported (to have been seen). Who and how many people reported this sighting of many? Do you know? If this assertion can’t properly be established then it’s highly dubious at best.

When to comes to the question of an alleged door in the column, this is a very convenient excuse, isn’t it. I assume you can prove there is a door there for certain.

“As for accelerated results, ever hear of a flashover? According to the French architects and experts themselves – it would be impossible to stop once it starts going.”
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That’s exactly my point. Once accelerated, of course, it would be impossible to control. Flashover would only have been a SECONDARY symptom and is not relevant to the question of HOW the fire was initially started AND what was used to accelerate the initial process of obtaining the first spark and then building up the momentum of the flames from there.

Memnon
Memnon
4 years ago
Reply to  Syntec

First you said it wouldn’t easily burn, now you said flashover would be a secondary symptom even though per the premise old oak isn’t much flameable.

Now as for evidence, the “columns” are very slender. Look at the black mouth in the last image of the link I gave. That’s your door. You can see the wood near it and two firefighters are visible.

Syntec
Syntec
4 years ago
Reply to  Memnon

“First you said it wouldn’t easily burn, now you said flashover would be a secondary symptom even though per the premise old oak isn’t much flameable.”
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You introduced the subject of flashover, not me. It’s obvious that once the wood caught fire with some extra assistance as previously mentioned, sparks WOULD start flying randomly. I never said oak “isn’t much flameable” (the word is flammable, by the way) – those are your words not mine. It is a recognised fact that old oak does not burn easily, I stand by that, but it’s another matter what happens when it’s successfully ignited, silly.

“Now as for evidence, the “columns” are very slender. Look at the black mouth in the last image of the link I gave. That’s your door. You can see the wood near it and two firefighters are visible.”
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No, the unidentified figure went behind the column out of sight of the camera, not in front of it. If there was supposedly a door there then it wasn’t visible.

Memnon
Memnon
4 years ago
Reply to  Syntec

Saying old oak doesn’t burn easily, is but a stereotype excluding other conditions of the oak and especially the timber. Even the former chief architect admitted his fault. Now if this was prim and proper that may be true. But the spire was rotting, the lead was peeling off, dust and git etc collecting, timbers needed to be re-waxed. Hence the renovation.

Not to mention the flammability also depends on the shape and area. What you stand by doesn’t matter to the facts.

The “unidentified figure” is with another firefighter. That door is visible in multiple images. Even in the video you saw. Look at this image:
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Also this link:

https://www.thatsnonsense.com/was-a-man-wearing-muslim-garb-spotted-on-notre-dame-balcony-fact-check/

Syntec
Syntec
4 years ago
Reply to  Memnon

“Saying old oak doesn’t burn easily, is but a stereotype excluding other conditions of the oak and especially the timber. Even the former chief architect admitted his fault. Now if this was prim and proper that may be true. But the spire was rotting, the lead was peeling off, dust and git etc collecting, timbers needed to be re-waxed. Hence the renovation.”
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Poppycock! It’s obvious the OLD oak in question will have deteriorated over the centuries in some aspects and varying degrees which goes without saying, but still remains the fact that OLD oak does not burn easily. Well, since the spire was also part of the structure once the fire took hold, it would also have been affected too so unsurprisingly it collapsed.

“Not to mention the flammability also depends on the shape and area. What you stand by doesn’t matter to the facts.”
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Not if the fire had reached the wooden beams immediately adjacent to each section of the rest of the structure then it wouldn’t matter what shape or position they were in at that stage so stop talking nonsense. It is also suspected that fire was started in at least two different sections of the tower.

Memnon
Memnon
4 years ago
Reply to  Syntec

Don’t be so moronic, the idea of old oak not easily burning is ridiculous. Older dryer wood burns more easily. Don’t you even know that?

Now it would take longer for oak to burn completely, but that is different from fire spreading.

Yes the shape and position matters, because then the fire can have surface area to spread. If you don’t even know that then you shouldn’t be talking.

As for the fire starting in two different sections, it is not known where it actually started.

Syntec
Syntec
4 years ago
Reply to  Memnon

“Don’t be so moronic, the idea of old oak not easily burning is ridiculous. Older dryer wood burns more easily. Don’t you even know that?”
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Not all wood types are the same. Some types burn faster, but OLD oak doesn’t. Are you so dense you can’t get that. Yes, other dryer woods do burn more easily, but NOT OLD oak, you twit.

“Now it would take longer for oak to burn completely, but that is different from fire spreading”
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It does take longer for oak to burn to cinders than other woods, yes, but it doesn’t if OLD oak which comprised the tower structure, is treated with a suitable solution that’s left to sink into the wood for a number of days prior, for example which WOULD then enable a fire to spread to all of it.

“Yes the shape and position matters, because then the fire can have surface area to spread. If you don’t even know that then you shouldn’t be talking.”
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No, it doesn’t matter once the fire takes hold. Shape and position have little to do with it once a critical level of fire intensity has been reached. Stop spreading your misinformation in a cynical efforts to protect the real culprits.

You are a fraud!

Memnon
Memnon
4 years ago
Reply to  Syntec

“Not all wood types are the same. Some types burn faster, but OLD oak doesn’t. Are you so dense you can’t get that. Yes, other dryer woods do burn more easily, but NOT OLD oak, you twit.”

All wood species can be used as firewood if they’re dry. Are you dense? Read this and don’t give your advice here, old oak is not a magic ingredient:

https://trace.tennessee.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1100&context=utk_agexfores

And oak is higher in density which means there is more fuel. Thus their blessing of not being easily burnt completely because of their mass which fire needs to swallow can easily become a curse.

“No, it doesn’t matter once the fire takes hold. Shape and position have little to do with it once a critical level of fire intensity has been reached. Stop spreading your misinformation in a cynical efforts to protect the real culprits.”

Yes it does, especially when the building doesn’t start going in flames instantly. The more it can consume, the more it can burn. It will need to fight more mass otherwise.

Stop lying like a typical Christian. As for being a fraud, I don’t need validation from a constant ignorant and liar.

Syntec
Syntec
4 years ago
Reply to  Memnon

And oak is higher in density which means there is more fuel. Thus their blessing of not being easily burnt completely because of their mass which fire needs to swallow can easily become a curse.
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I am aware that oak is higher in density and not easy to burn completely. I already looked it up. That does not mean that once fire has taken hold, it cannot spread to adjacent wooden beams and burn with high intensity. Furthermore, it doesn’t need to burn ‘completely’ as long as load-bearing areas of the wood are sufficiently weakened by the fire to cause collapse which is what happened.

Like I said, there is also suspicion that something was used to start more than one fire which would lend extra impetus to the process of setting the oak alight and building up the intensity.
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“Yes it does, especially when the building doesn’t start going in flames instantly. The more it can consume, the more it can burn. It will need to fight more mass otherwise.”
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Wood of any kind doesn’t go into flames instantly unless a suitable flammable material is initially used and thus a good bed of red-hot cinders is already generated- trying to light a traditional wood-burning barbecue should demonstrate that adequately. In the case of a much larger expanse of wood coverage, a huge amount of flammable material would have been needed to accelerate the process and help such a fire take hold.

Any architect involved in the surveying and assessment of damage to politically/culturally sensitive buildings such as cathedrals, churches or non-religious iconic buildings in Europe, tend to evade the subject of arson because he/she is restrained by Political Correctness and is aware of the devastation the current Marxist regime will wreak upon his/her career and pension rights.

I said you’re the liar and fraud. All you can do is copycat what I say. How infantile!

Memnon
Memnon
4 years ago
Reply to  Syntec

“I am aware that oak is higher in density and not easy to burn completely. I already looked it up. That does not mean that once fire has taken hold, it cannot spread to adjacent wooden beams and burn with high intensity.”

That is nonsense, fire can easily spread to other beams especially when there is other stuff burning and they are in the same condition of dryness.

There is no suspicion anything was used, except from those who don’t base their facts on logic. And you lied about dry wood.

“Wood of any kind doesn’t go into flames instantly unless a suitable flammable material is initially used and thus a good bed of red-hot cinders is already generated- trying to light a traditional wood-burning barbecue should demonstrate that adequately.”

You don’t need a suitable material. Wood burning due to natural causes isn’t rare. So is a wooden house burning mostly an arson? In fact stone won’t even burn. Is that an arson when a stone house is on fire?

There’s only political retardation going on here. The former chief architect is still working BTW. Many buildings have burnt down in the past. Were they all arson? Of course not. But you’re lying to yourself.

Memnon
Memnon
4 years ago
Reply to  Syntec

Also no oak framed timber can burn easily, once you take the surface area into account. It was you who said oak wasn’t easily burnable. Now that I showed you underestimate its flammability along with that of timbers, you switch gears to when it starts burning. If it’s not easy to burn, it shouldn’t burn quickly in a flashout as well.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/19/world/europe/notre-dame-fire-safety.html

And of course when it and timber starts burning and lead starts melting, it can lead to a massive breakout.

Memnon
Memnon
4 years ago
Reply to  Syntec

Also earlier you said it was a Muslim garb, now when it’s not you shifted your track. Go fool someone else.

Anaksuper Nuakal
Anaksuper Nuakal
4 years ago

Christian?
What would Jesus think about this “christian” do you think?comment image

For your reference:
Matthew 26:

7 There came unto him a woman having an alabaster box of very precious ointment, and poured it on his head, as he sat at meat.

8 But when his disciples saw it, they had indignation, saying, To what purpose is this waste?

9 For this ointment might have been sold for much, and given to the poor.

10 When Jesus understood it, he said unto them, Why trouble ye the woman? for she hath wrought a good work upon me.

Bob TheBuilder
Bob TheBuilder
4 years ago

OK let us continue with insane analogies shall we. Why build roads feed the world. Why build bridges feed the world. Why build cities when you can feed the world. Why build cars feed the world. Why build planes feed the world. Why build NAtional parks feed the world. Why build power plants feed the world. Why study cancer cure feed the world. Why build hospitals to heal people when you can feed people. Bwhahahhahahhahhahhhahahahhahhahahahhahahhahah

oeb25
oeb25
4 years ago
Reply to  Bob TheBuilder

Thank you. Sick of their moronic “arguments.”

Larenzo1
Larenzo1
4 years ago

We have spent a hundred times that much on hunger! But you still have the same people from the same places. No one wants anyone to go hungry. But we must teach them how to provide for them self.

Cain Abel
Cain Abel
4 years ago

“the fire started at least in 2 different places, according to LCI, a French TV)”

NO
They said there IS fire in two different places, not it STARTED in two different places

Bkhuna
Bkhuna
4 years ago

Could this be the point where the West fights back or instead turn tail and endure permanent subjugation by Islam?

Rocinante44
Rocinante44
4 years ago
Reply to  Bkhuna

nope. the french will pretend this was an accident, and beg us to help pay for it. i doubt one pastor in america will preach this sunday on this act of war by islam on christianity. when the Maine was sunk in havana, we declared war on spain with far less evidence, but then western man has become a giant weenie and the muslims know it

felix1999
felix1999
4 years ago

Awful.
Maybe this is France’s 9/11?

Dave Jensen
Dave Jensen
4 years ago
Reply to  felix1999

The French are too much sissified to do anything. America is going the same way. I can’t believe how brainwashed younger people are today, and it isn’t just the high school and college kids. Anyone, well there are exceptions, under 35 has little sense and little manhood in them.

Syntec
Syntec
4 years ago
Reply to  Dave Jensen

You are quite correct, of course. Nearly all native Europeans except for perhaps a few former Eastern European nations, are indeed pussified and spineless.

I suspect, it’s pure cowardice springing an unwillingness to engage in any behaviour that might place them under police surveillance thus risking their materialistic lifestyles. They are even prepared to expose their offspring to danger in the multicultural cesspit rather than take a stand in defence of their own homelands.

CharlieSeattle
CharlieSeattle
4 years ago
Reply to  felix1999

Self inflicted, just like ours was.

Mark Blubaugh
Mark Blubaugh
4 years ago
Reply to  felix1999

Well, except for the 3,000 deaths.

fulham2014
fulham2014
4 years ago
Reply to  felix1999

I felt like that, the idea of symbols….

Alondra
Alondra
4 years ago
Reply to  felix1999

Yeah, I agree!!! comment image

American Dreamer
American Dreamer
4 years ago
Reply to  felix1999

Except that no-one was killed.

Rocinante44
Rocinante44
4 years ago

pamela, a person has to be a moron to assume that this easter attack on the very symbol of christian western civilization was not the act of muslims. those rats are guilty until proven innocent, and $100 says that everyone involved with the renovation knows this was arson, and another $100 says at least some of them saw a muslim do it. however, i expect the french govt will never say this

Cai
Cai
4 years ago
Reply to  Rocinante44

The governments are afraid that the citizens will riot and also target those who arranged and facilitated the invasion, if the truth of the cause the violence and destruction is admitted and released.

bugandco
bugandco
4 years ago

MUSLIMS

casey377
casey377
4 years ago

If the media was looking for collusion, they only have to look as far as Islamic terrorism and the msm.
Even if French fire marshals discover proof of arson the French government will bury it while the msm shovels dirt on it.

Memnon
Memnon
4 years ago
Reply to  casey377

How about you stop relying on Geller? While she claims scaffolding was still being built by workers, it was already built before the fire:

http://www.globalconstructionreview.com/news/inquest-notre-dame-focuses-restoration-works-spire/

casey377
casey377
4 years ago
Reply to  Memnon

How about you stop telling people who they can listen to? Or is that easier than dealing with the truth?

In jobs like that, the building of scaffolding never ends.

Memnon
Memnon
4 years ago
Reply to  casey377

Oh lies? They did build the scaffolding and they were already working which Geller claims wasn’t happening. That’s what I referred to. Elevators were already installed. The only ones fooling here is you yourself.

https://ca.reuters.com/article/topNews/idCAKCN1RS0AV-OCATP

Enough of your right-wing lies. Someday you’ll be called to account for all your motivated BS.

KrakenFartz
KrakenFartz
4 years ago
Reply to  Memnon

Philippe Villeneuve, who was responsible for the
refurbishing of the spire of Notre-Dame, has stated that : “Work had not
started yet, scaffoldings were still being built”.

Your linked article does not refute Geller’s quote. The scaffolding was present and almost complete, but it was not regarded as ready for renovation work to begin. In other words, it was still being built by workers.

Memnon
Memnon
4 years ago
Reply to  KrakenFartz

There was no Philippe Villeneuve responsible for Notre-Dame. That’s why I said stop relying on her.

Anyway, articles say they were clearly working. Now on what I don’t know, maybe the scaffolding or maybe they had already begun working the wood to an extent. But scaffolding was already mostly complete and electricity was there unlike what Geller claims.

However, the cause of soldering or welding has already been ruled out because it was not happening according to investigators. So it’s irrelevant as no hot spot work was ongoing.

Ari
Ari
4 years ago

Most likely the MS media won’t tell that it was an arson. Muslim vandals have destroyed non-islamic religious artifacts and buildings, and the MS media has been silent. comment image Sumi Somaskanda, DW (Germany)

Peter J Macander
Peter J Macander
4 years ago

The statements of French government officials should be viewed with suspicion as they have a “multicultural” agenda in mind and are not Roman Catholic in intention. Sad part is that the cathedral is legally owned by France, not the Archdiocese of Paris.

Halal Bacon
Halal Bacon
4 years ago

The pyromaniac always comes back to see ze’s work

0349 JAT
0349 JAT
4 years ago

If the fire was arson and the intention was to weaken the Christian faith.
Well… it seems to have had the opposite reaction.

Bill
Bill
4 years ago

I’m surprised Pope Frankie hasn’t yet called for a Mosque to be built in the Cathedrals place

oeb25
oeb25
4 years ago
Reply to  Bill

Ditto. I am Catholic, and that guy is a snake!

Rose215
Rose215
4 years ago
Reply to  Bill

Macon has promised a rebuild that reflects France’s “diversity”. Worrisome.

AnObservationReally
AnObservationReally
4 years ago

Interesting to read uncensored facts; we certainly don’t get those from the mainstream media.

jess wondren
jess wondren
4 years ago

PG: Scrubbing @Twitter of reality will not change reality. #NotreDame

Could they be using something similar to the
‘find and replace’ bots at #TrotskyCashe ??

Rose Dudley
Rose Dudley
4 years ago

The investigation is moot. If it was arson, the French Government will never admit it, they can’t afford to.

wpjokari
wpjokari
4 years ago

“no welding were allowed.”
only welders start fires (construction or industrial repair).
this ancient construction would have no weldments…

August West
August West
4 years ago

At some point the insurance co. that the contractors used is going to be asked to cover damages. Is this Billions? Who knows… you can rest assured with this kind of $ on the line there will be a deep investigation.

James Jones
James Jones
4 years ago
Reply to  August West

Maybe they could hire the 911 commission guys – better get the dozers in quick.

Alondra
Alondra
4 years ago
Reply to  James Jones

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patd
patd
4 years ago

And more to come until the parasitic ignorant libturds learn that all muslims are terrorist or support terrorist!!!!

WangDangDoodlinAllDayLong
WangDangDoodlinAllDayLong
4 years ago

I would personally appreciate it if it
were just simply restored to it’s original Glory.
Nothing more, nothing less.
No 1/2assing it….
~ Lol,
Let that be the test for these modern day
self-righteous shills over there in control on the Left…..
~ Hahahahaha,,
I seriously doubt they’re as skilled as their predecessors..
Hence they’ll settle for somewhat of a substitute..
~ Seriously
It’s a shame these French cowards have left it un-guarded
this way, especially knowing of all the hate against Christians that the muslim invaders have brought with them and all the burned Churches so far, it’s a complete dereliction of duty….
~ Sad,
Notre Dame burning this Holy Week of Good Friday 2019 is the most visible example/symbol to date of what we already know is killing France.
Thank’s to it’s limp wrist leaders socialist logic,
La France est foutue.comment image
“Denmark: Man who burned Koran in backyard charged with blasphemy”
Creeping Sharia WORDPRESS
https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2017/02/24/denmark-burned-koran-arrested/
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Alondra
Alondra
4 years ago

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Alondra
Alondra
4 years ago

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Alondra
Alondra
4 years ago

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Newone
Newone
4 years ago

no source of heat, no torch, no electrical apparatus is allowed; a high-performance alarm system is in place; and very strict supervision of all people allowed there.

I think we will eventually learn that this was arson.”

Igor Gonopolskiy
Igor Gonopolskiy
4 years ago

There are many restoration works done in the last decades,
Which one of them caused fire? (according to what I know – none)

Murielle
Murielle
4 years ago

Today on FB someone posted a story stating that at the same time Notre Dame burned a mosque was burned as well. I dismissed it as typical propaganda. Has anyone else seen it or something like it? Looks like “someone’s doing something” to look like the victim here.

jbaviera
jbaviera
4 years ago
Reply to  Murielle

Yes, the al-aska mosque had a small fire because some children were practicing their arson techniques near a door, but it was quickly put out.

Melc
Melc
4 years ago
Reply to  jbaviera

What a sham! Islam and the Muslim Brotherhood (e.g., Hamas) likely started the puny mosque fire to create reasonable doubt against their terrorist counterparts who simultaneously ignited Notre Dame and caused colossal damage. Islam thrives on framing themselves as victims, after all. Trans-Jordanians (i.e., fakestinians), in particular, garner $ billions in aid each year for framing themselves as victims; thus, will never relinquish that aid for a two-state solution

Melc
Melc
4 years ago
Reply to  jbaviera

What a sham! Islam and the Muslim Brotherhood (e.g., Hamas) likely started the puny mosque fire to create reasonable doubt against their terrorist counterparts who simultaneously ignited Notre Dame and caused colossal damage. Islam thrives on framing themselves as victims, after all. Trans-Jordanians (i.e., fakestinians), in particular, garner $ billions in aid each year for framing themselves as victims; thus, will never relinquish that aid for a two-state solution

Roma Mikhasev
Roma Mikhasev
4 years ago

for tolerance! religion of peace! for Macron & Merkel!!

Alondra
Alondra
4 years ago
Reply to  Roma Mikhasev

Yeah, religion of HATE, RACISM and PEDOPHILIA!!!comment image

oeb25
oeb25
4 years ago

Thank you for this report! Tired of news being suppressed by the “politically correct, but stupid.”

Alleged-Comment
Alleged-Comment
4 years ago

What if they found out the Mouslems did it?? Will there be WAR?? Another French Revolution to out your CORRUPT leaders which TJ said the Tree of Liberty must be watered with blood from time to time?

Leaders and countries have a tendency to gravitate towards DEPRAVITY if you read history and they have HIT ROCK BOTTOM right now, if you ask me.

With sodomites ruling, incestuous leaders, and waycist maniacs in power calling for white people to BEGONE!

R. Arandas
R. Arandas
4 years ago

Let us hope it was NOT deliberate. But there really was an attempted terror plot near the cathedral over 2 years ago:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/07/gas-tanks-found-in-unmarked-car-by-paris-notre-dame-cathedral-sp/

pistache
pistache
4 years ago

Interview with former architect of the site (with english subtitles), very interesting.

CreoleGumbo
CreoleGumbo
4 years ago

How can you do an “investigation” when you start with the assumption that it was an “accident.”
It is kinda like finding a body with two gun shots to the head and first determining that it was a suicide before you “investigate.”

Bev
Bev
4 years ago
Reply to  CreoleGumbo

Yes I truly believe scummy Muslims behind it and every other bad sh!t going down in Europe Africa Canada etc these people and their Mohammental pedo religion is not peaceful it’s piece full religion bit by bit they tear u apart and or take it by force Mohammed told his followers if you want what your neighbour has I give you permission to take it.

MN Jim
MN Jim
4 years ago
Reply to  CreoleGumbo

Many people with insider knowledge of Hillary have committed suicide with 2 shots to the back of the head, often just before they were going to testify on a related issue.

CreoleGumbo
CreoleGumbo
4 years ago
Reply to  MN Jim

Ha ha. Great point. I forgot about that.

jbaviera
jbaviera
4 years ago

Didn’t read the article, did you? The fire started on the roof. Renovation work had NOT started on the roof, as the scaffolding was still being erected.

Alondra
Alondra
4 years ago
Reply to  jbaviera

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Alondra
Alondra
4 years ago
Reply to  jbaviera

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jbaviera
jbaviera
4 years ago
Reply to  jbaviera

But once again, the article says that nobody was doing any work up there except building scaffolding (no need for Linseed oil). Yes, most of it was up. I’m not disputing facts, but you seem to be jumping to conclusions. Electric not allowed, no welding! Stone and wood structure, welding isn’t necessary(also requires electricity), and scaffolding is pinned/bolted together (at least where I’m at, here in the USA).

jbaviera
jbaviera
4 years ago
Reply to  jbaviera

I don’t know what started it, but unlike you, I’m not going to speculate what/who caused it, I’m only going by what this article and the few others I’ve read. it’s said that no restoration work on the roof was being done, as they were still setting up the scaffolding. Why would ANYONE be using linseed oil setting up scaffolding?

Patriotliz
Patriotliz
4 years ago

…”someone had to bring something there”—why does that sound familiar?
Oh, that’s right—Ilhan Omar about 9/11: “some people did something.”
Muslims and their fascist Islam, invented by warlord Muhammad, is the most protected ideology in the West even while that ideology is destroying us in the West.
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Eli F.
Eli F.
4 years ago

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Alondra
Alondra
4 years ago
Reply to  Eli F.

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Dorrie - Conservative
Dorrie - Conservative
4 years ago
Reply to  Alondra

Has anyone ever told you that you’re out of your freaking mind and need to seek help?! No? Well YOU ARE!! And you’re hereby flagged and blocked!

Alondra
Alondra
4 years ago

???? ???? ???? Yeah, the Joo PSYCHOPATH dorrie is talking in her mirror ????comment image

Alondra
Alondra
4 years ago

If (((you))) ???? need more PROOF just let me know comment image

Eli F.
Eli F.
4 years ago
Reply to  Alondra

Change that Tin-Foil Hat, up the medical dosages and seek help immediately, Ya Sharmoota!!

Alondra
Alondra
4 years ago
Reply to  Eli F.

???? ???? ???? Yeah, REMOVE (((your))), Fucking eli
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Alondra
Alondra
4 years ago
Reply to  Eli F.

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BoWetstone
BoWetstone
4 years ago

– if a perp is black
latino or muslim and the victim is white–the victim is in a world of hurt even
though he or she was defending from an attack.

this is what to do-
carry a weapon that has NEVER BEEN REGISTERED– when it is sold it is a

NON_FIREARM– that’s right. never was logged into the ATF
FBI register.

W/T/F you say? the ATF considers arms and replicas of
firearms made before 1898 as NON FIREARMS–you know like jose whales civil war
cap and ball black powder revolvers-and replicas of pre 1898 are also NON
FIREARMS but some replicas have what is called conversion cylinders
available–take the original cylinder out and put the conversion cylinder in-
and it shoots modern ammunition–powerful- waterproof- modern ammo problem is:
most of them are really big and heavy- after buying several and converting them
I hit the jackpot– north American super companion is small stainless steel- no
rust from rain- and the : conversion
cylinder for cap and ball naa –it
can handle minimag hollow points–

here’s the thing– if a perp jacks you up and God forbid you
have to shoot– if you are not surrounded by witnesses–thats possible- perps
like the dark places to do their deeds….then I plan to split! and pitch the
revolver in a river or somewhere deep and far from human sight.

AND DENY EVERYTHING!

seems better than having the FBI say you own a 38–we know
that and the perp has a 38 hole in him–so put your hand behind your back and
be cuffed, that’s the way it is in the usa today– you are guilty until you
come up with 50 grand for lawyers. get armed and trained–and arm and train all
your kin.

Check this out! They can’t confiscate it if they don’t know
it exists.

“conversion
cylinder for cap and ball naa”

and for now completely legal to buy and own.

No paperwork-right to your door! I got both big revolvers
and

The pocket sized one. It is NOT classified as a firearm! No
FBI check.

Protection—and the FBI doesn’t put you on an easily hackable
“HAS GUNS” list!

Shhweew—when the fanatics hack the list of gun owners and do
stuff like they

Are doing to others- like Trump supporters- I don’t want my
name on the Has Guns list.

dr_gunther_von_hagens
dr_gunther_von_hagens
4 years ago
Reply to  BoWetstone

Gun nut much?

VoiceInDesert
VoiceInDesert
4 years ago

Other than mosques allegedly dedicated to worship a god which has eyes, but do not see; ears, but do not hear; a mouth, but does not speak; hands and feet, but do not move — what work of art has islam contributed to society — other than the art to kill, steal and destroy?

Alondra
Alondra
4 years ago
Reply to  VoiceInDesert

Yeah, (((they))) do have an ample history of destroying works of art and culture worldwide. But building and creating? No, nothing!!! comment image

Melc
Melc
4 years ago
Reply to  Alondra

Doesn’t add up that a Jewish person would do this. In fact, they are fleeing Europe once again — and have since 2014 (see e.g., Newsweek and The Atlantic) — due to Islamic assaults and burning down synagogues. The Islamists are the ones spreading conspiracy theories against Jews (in the same that Hitler did so) to cover their tracks and create reasonable doubt. If the Jews even considered burning down anything, it would be mosques that have reared their ugly Islamic heads across Europe.

Commissioner Gordon
Commissioner Gordon
4 years ago

Did anyone else see Shep Smith during the fire coverage, censor the French employee that attempted to mention that the investigation should include the Islamist s due to the daily attacks on churches in France. Smith talked over him and said that we will have none of these “conspiracy theory’s” here. Isn’t that what an investigation is, checking out all of the theories? FOX is going down the toilet with the rest of them. Please remember to make regular contributions to the Geller Report!

Dorrie - Conservative
Dorrie - Conservative
4 years ago

That should have gotten him fired ON THE SPOT!! What he did was pure CENSORING at it’s finest! And THAT is why I have stopped watching FAUX NEWS CHANNEL! The ONLY news channel that can be trusted is OANN!!

notme123
notme123
4 years ago

They would never fire him, he’s gay and will use that.

Dorrie - Conservative
Dorrie - Conservative
4 years ago
Reply to  notme123

Pretty sick, isn’t it. I gave up on Faux News when they suspended Jeanine Pirro for 2 weeks – for speaking the truth on her show. I won’t go back, not ever. Fox has been taken over by leftwing moonbats who prove that real journalism is DEAD.

dr_gunther_von_hagens
dr_gunther_von_hagens
4 years ago

Of course, all the Nazis blamed it on Muslims.

John Acord
John Acord
4 years ago

First of all, how many know that the week preceding the Notre Dame fire, 12 French churches had been torched? That news was smothered. This was all possibly planned, building up to the grand finale to show Islamic superiority by staging an event as earth shattering as 9-11 which brought them the notoriety they coveted as well as causing widespread fear.

This week is the holiest week for Christians along with the week before leading up to it. This would be the perfect time for Muslims to destroy the largest, most prestigious beautiful Christian church in the world in a high profile action which would demonstrate Islamic power, just like they did on 9-11, for the purpose of murdering and bullying all Americans.

Muslims hate Christians and the Christian church. In France there is a huge population of Muslims who have virtually taken over the country, establishing “No Go” zones that are strictly for Muslims who are demanding that Sharia Law replace current laws. The way to accomplish that is to show ‘who’s the boss?”

I saw some videos of the fire that briefly showed a couple of mysterious men moving about at the top of the Cathedral and in another location just as the fire began. Even though the videos were quick, one of the men had on what appeared to be Islamic apparel. The news made no mention of them. L saw the videos. Why is this being hidden?

Muslims throughout the world are celebrating the burning of Notre Dame. They will burn and destroy our entire culture and ciivlization.It is time to annihilate this devil cult and isolate it in the burning sands of the desert hell from which it emerged and free the peoples who have been enslaved for a thousand years. It is time for Christians and Jews to join with Israel to destroy this menace once and for all.

Melc
Melc
4 years ago
Reply to  John Acord

I wish you could find the video. We need it as evidence!

Mickey Oberman
Mickey Oberman
4 years ago

Of the multitude of people who seem to have been legitimately attending to their duties, was there a single Muslim ??

Tylor Barbara
Tylor Barbara
4 years ago

Centuries ago “Some people did something” — to churches as well and build “something” on top of them.
Every Holy Week, “Some people do something” — to Christians…Pure Demons!

Dorrie - Conservative
Dorrie - Conservative
4 years ago

With all these FACTS being known about Islamic terrorism in France, Germany, etc., why in the HELL do they allow those animals into their countries!? It makes absolutely NO sense to ANY person of normal intellect?!

Alondra
Alondra
4 years ago

The world knows (((WHO))) did that!!! comment image

Steve_o
Steve_o
4 years ago

If terrorism, there should be a proud claim (perhaps including evidence) by the group responsible very soon.

If arson, an accelerant was required from what I’m reading. That will be easy to identify once proper inspection is possible.

Dogandcat
Dogandcat
4 years ago

Of course it was arson. Everyone knows that……..

Common Sense
Common Sense
4 years ago

“..in 10 years, Italy and ALL of Europe will be muslim because of our STUPIDITY!”
…Archbishop of Pompeii, Carlo Liberati…..” 17 January 2017…The Guardian”
…Toronto is 1/2 way already! ..thank you, Justin Trudeau (..actually a silver-spoon, trust fund baby, whose ONLY job was ski instructor and part-time acting coach in a private high school!). The ONLY reason that he was elected Prime minister, was that he is the son of a failed, former Liberal Party prime minister!)..talk about NEPOTISM!

Memnon
Memnon
4 years ago

Geller is lying again. Workers do use blowtorch in the Notre Dame:

https://www.newyorker.com/news/dispatch/on-the-roof-of-notre-dame-before-it-burned

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