Mike Cernovich: Christianity has given us a country where 11 year olds dance for adult men who throw dollars on the stage.
Christianity gave us a church that molested children and sold out their flock (Covington) to the left.
A moderated form of Islam is probably the West’s only hope.Story continues below advertisement
“There is no moderate Islam, there is no extreme Islam. Islam is Islam.” Turkish President Erdogan, Obama’s ‘most trusted foreign leader.
What Mike Cernovich says here is toweringly absurd. Think of it. The censors of the past were Christian — they were the ones who kept the kinds of things he describes in his tweet at bay. For decades, Hollywood, music, movies were guided by a morality, a Christian morality. The evils that Cernovich decries came in when Christianity weakened in this country. Does Cernovich not know that? Or is it that his whole alpha male, rape-isn’t-necessarily-rape act something that leads him to find Islam, with all of its brutal and savage misogyny, attractive and appealing? Or finally, is it simply that he has his finger in the wind, and can tell which way it is blowing today?
Lastly, the horrible priest sex scandal is not a teaching of Christianity. Pedophilia is not a Christian teaching, it is a violation. It is a crime and that church leadership, up to the Vatican, allowed it to continue is not religious but criminal. Rape, FGM, jihad, Jew hatred, creed apartheid, subjugation etc are mandated under Islam. As President Erdogan of Turkey told then President Obama, “there is no extreme Islam. There is no moderate Islam, Islam is Islam.”
https://twitter.com/PamelaGeller/status/1089948619250327553
Mike Cernovich: “A moderated form of Islam is probably the West’s only hope”
“Mike Cernovich: ‘A moderated form of Islam is probably the West’s only hope,’” by Robert Spencer, Jihad Watch, January 27, 2019:
https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/1089628396957491200
To that I responded:
Wow, No form of Christianity actually approves of 11-year-olds dancing for adult men, or of the massive criminal child molesting syndicate in the Catholic Church. Both clearly against Christian teachings. Have you converted to Islam yet? Do you know what Islam actually teaches? https://t.co/XbarcYknrE
— Robert Spencer (@jihadwatchRS) January 27, 2019
And of course there is much more that could be said. The evils Cernovich describes come from the abandonment of Christianity, not from Christianity. Islam in all its traditional legal and theological formulations denies the freedom of speech, the freedom of conscience, the equality of rights of women, the equality of rights of non-Muslims, and much more that directly contradicts Western societal norms (which are, of course, Judeo-Christian in origin).
I don’t know anything about Mike Cernovich. Is he joking? Is he trolling? Is he satirizing a particular point of view? Or is this a genuine opinion among people who dissent from the Leftist agenda? If so, like so many others in the West, they have no idea what they’re asking for.
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I wonder what Cernovich has to say about the legalized boy buggery that goes on across Afghanistain, Pakistain and Iranistain?
He would deny it or excuse it by, likely, blaming Christianity and Judaism for Islam’s unbridled depravity. The man, I am sure, believes he is an intellectual giant, as Liberals suffer from self-aggrandizing delusions. Progressives trust they are the apex of humanity; those of us of diverse politics or faith, except Islam, are perceived as a step above amoeba status.
Pederasty was never an accepted practice in Judaism and I haven’t met a Christian yet who doesn’t vociferously denounce pederasty (even in the Catholic church).
Indeed, excellent point.
The only form of islam should be a minor note in history from when it was banished from the planet.
In every WESTERN country where Muslims are in the minority, they are obsessed with minority rights.
In every ISLAMIC country with a Muslim majority, …there are no minority rights!
islam is NOT a religion of peace!!
islam is a sick and twisted terrorist ideology that is
completely incompatible with western civilization!!
Deport all muslims, CITIZENS OR not, from the west at once!!
Ban all muslims from traveling to the west, …FOREVER
Implement muslim control, NOT gun control.
Defending your person, your family, your country from attack and invasion from those forcing a violent, terrorist, genocidal ideology on western civilization…is …not … islamophobia ….or racist. ….It is just common sense.
The people of Europe, Britain and Canada must throw down their treasonous leaders forcing this evil upon them.
……………..The USA just did, Nov. 2016!
Cernovich has a problem. He doesn’t want Jesuism, he wants moderate Islam. That’s his problem.
Other people have real problems, like Africans enslaved in Saudi Arabia to Mauritania, atheists imprisoned & tortured in Saudi Arabia & forcibly declitorized & raped girls in Saudi Arabia & elsewhere.
The Jesuists are a group that believes a man & deity they never saw must be worshipped by everyone or else they’re unhappy. That’s egoistic. When confronted with the suffering of people oppressed by Muhammadists they prefer to pray.
Africans are enslaved, castrated, divorced, beaten & killed today in Saudi Arabia & enslaved in the UAE, Oman, Yemen, Kuwait, Lebanon, Bahrain, Iraq, North-Sudan, Libya (surge), Algeria (surge), Mauritania (20 percent), Niger, Mali, Somalia, Nigeria in emulation of unjust Muhammad who started the global African slave-trade by saying his unproven deity had turned Africans black so Africans’ descendants would be slaves to Arabs & Turks.
Is a moderate Islam desirable?
The founder of Islam, unjust Muhammad burned people for not praying, declared Africans slaves, crucified critics, commanded the forcible lifelong torture of declitorization of girls, forced theism on anyone, raped, tortured, commanded to beat children, promoted inbreeding, declared war on atheists, Jews & all other Non-muhammadists & ‘kissed’ penises of boys & sucked boys’ tongues & lips (see Wikiislam).
Would a moderate version of Islam mean that an atheist or apostate wouldn’t be crucified just banned on social media?
Dont miss out muslims blowing up christian churches full of worshipers in the Phillipines ~ Why bother killing christians one at a time when you can kill them all in one go..!
Jay Wizzy, like most atheists, doesn’t give a fig about piles of dead Hindus, Buddhists or Christians who are killed by muslums.
There is another solution the total eradication of islam and all its followers.
while Left/liberal pro-jihadi run EU is turning into islamic hellhole with
more jihadi attacks Trump is shutting down jihadi funding that has been running for decades now https://tinyurl.com/ya4gdwt3
Left/Liberal Loons say that makes him “racist” , “islamophobe” . Guess what ? Trump gives a damn .
LOL !
That’s peanuts compared to what Gult millionaires send to jihadists.
Your comments with links have make you a great reference. I would love to see you and Pamela do a take on the OIC and the UN. should the US continue in the UN?
continue to use Veto to stop them from turning into full on jihadi menace they already are.
Funds should be limited to only just causes.
TO HELL WITH THE UNITED NATIONS IF IT WASN’T FOR THE USA IT WOULD NEVER HAVE EXISTED . IF WE PULLED OUT TOMORROW AND KICKED EM OUT OF THE COUNTRY IT WOULD BE A BENEFIT TO OUR NATION . TO HELL WITH THAT CORRUPT PILE OF PIG CRAP CALLED THE U.N.
Establish the UN in Somalia or Pakistan. It has stopped being relevant years ago.
I hope it does not come to that, but yes, the West does have that option. I do not think the West has the intestinal fortitude to do that, even if it came down to the starkest of choices.
My guess is that for Western values to prevail in the battle of our times, vigorous measures against Islamism will have to be taken, and they will be painful to both the Western and Islamic worlds. But I do think that faced with the stark choice of total destruction, the Moslem world would engage in some sort of Reformation. Moslems as people are not all that different from infidels.
Moslems “not all that different from infidels.” You got to be kidding. My gawd you’re stupid.
He’s a prevaricating muslum apologist/sympathizer. I sometimes wonder if he’s a more sophisticated paid muslum propagandist.
Stupidity doesn’t require a bribe or payment of any kind hahahahah
I blocked idiots like him, don’t want them taking up even a fraction of my mind-share, not worth wasting time on.
You deluded yourself if you think Islam can be “reformed”. Or you allow yourself to be fooled if you believe a Muslim tell you it can. And putting your faith in a very small heretical sect… they’d be killed off if mainstream Islam were in control.
The Christian reformation was a movement away from traditions introduced by man to sola scriptura… scriptures alone. So it was a purification of the faith to make it more like what it was meant to be.
The desire for an Islamic reformation is to wish that it’ll become more peaceful. Islam was somewhat secular for a time. But Osama bin Laden led a reformation which brought Muslims back in line with the teachings of Islam. In one sense, it was very much like the Christian reformation. But because the underlying theology is different, one grew more loving and peaceful but the other grew more violent.
While Raheel Raza offers some alternative, it is a glimmer of hope. But if the Explanatory Memo and the verses of the Quran aren’t reinterpreted, i don’t see a moslem reformation, since “they value death more than we value life”. Not a very peaceful prognosis, but I defer to Amil-my newest mentor.
You’re living in a dreamworld neo.
There are already small sects of Islam that wish to-be nonviolent!!! The problem is that Islam can only be true Islam by upholding the oppressive barbarianism of unbelievers per Islamic sharia, as it comes direct from Allah (i.e. fake prophet) being unchangeable! It is either them or us! We must kill and bury them with pigs! That is the law that in their mind puts Muslim men in Hell losing the 72 virgins and all the past white sex slaves they have raped that will then be raped for eternity in a unending gluttonous orgy!
As you state, that small sect is heretical. There is no real justification to be peaceful in Islam. In fact, being peaceful when you are called to fight is a punishable offense.
Who cares if a muslum is peaceful? Most nazis were peaceful that didn’t make them good people.
If the verses can be reinterpreted, they can be reinterpreted to mean anything. The problem with doing this is when you do it, all you’re doing is introducing heresies.
Islam can not be salvaged. Before Mormonism was allowed in the US, it had to denounce polygamy. Most Mormons were OK with this but there are some who still practice polygamy. Another cult was banned outright because they practiced incest and pedophilia. Meanwhile Islam practices polygamy and pedophilia as well as subversion. But because our culture has rejected God and it seems the Christians are either too busy or too fearful to care, Islam is allowed to grow and along with it is an evil that is evident
Kiss the Cross, unsheath the sword
Outstanding, I would vote for you.
When Islam is eradicated, its followers will either be liberated or in Muslim heaven.
Western Europe and the United Sates should get on their knees and APOLOGIZE to the Serbs to doing what they should ALL be doing, …NOW!
Driving muzlims out of Europe and the USA, by any and all means necessary!
So he think we ought to just give up and e Capt the foul cult of Islam. Not going to happen. The the muslims would like it if we did.
I gather your conscience won’t allow appeasing muslins. Good.
The only thing e
Evil needs is for good men to do nkthing
Great idea! All we need to do is fight our way through the millions upon millions of orthodox militant Muslims to change the religious texts they base their lives on and are willing to commit mass murder to protect. Then we need to find all other copies and burn them. When do you start Mr Cernovich?
Didn’t think so…
MAS,I’d start at Mecca when they have their high holiday,MOABS for breakfast,lunch and din-din and work out from there taking out ALL the leadership possible across the planet in as short a time frame as possible,by ANY means necessary as long as the end goals were achieved.
It is a fools errand to wait until the enemy is at full strength to attack him when you knew what he is planning and wasn’t strong enough to win the war for YEARS and yet did nothing to circumvent his plans.
Insanity in reality to let it continue.
But ,what I see is that today,the inmates are running the asylum,and extremely poorly I might add, soooo.
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We refuse to even identify the foe let alone the mission and exit strategy. Playing paddy cakes with the devil won’t get it done. The only real way to deal with these creeps is to make the cost of attacking us so high they’ll return to killing each other off. We’ll never wipe them all out, total war until unconditional surrender or stay home…
He meant that drag kid who danced for adults in the gay bar? Did people protest and fire the priest for saying that homosexuality is a sin? So it’s christian teaching’s fault for letting the drag kid dance for adults. Wonderful.
This leftist goon suffers from the mental disorder from which every Leftist, Liberal or Democrat suffers. It is mind-boggling, how these boneheads quantify the illogical with utter insanity.
Those parents aren’t Christians!
Amazing Desmond! His parents recently flew him to NYC to do a strip tease in a gay bar.
Mon Dec 17, 2018 – 5:45 pm EST
11-year-old ‘drag kid’ dances in popular NYC gay club as patrons toss money at him
NEW YORK, New York, December 17, 2018 (LifeSiteNews) – Perhaps sensing the horrific optics of the event, LGBT news sites have assiduously avoided reporting that their favorite 11-year-old drag kid “Desmond Is Amazing” danced on stage in a New York gay bar while adult male patrons tossed money his way as if he were a male stripper.
The pre-adolescent boy, dressed in drag to imitate singer Gwen Stefani, pranced around the stage at Brooklyn’s 3 Dollar Bill, an LGBT bar described as “queer owned & operated,” and “Brooklyn’s Premiere Queer Bar & Performance Venue.”
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https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/11-year-old-drag-kid-dances-in-popular-nyc-gay-club-as-patrons-toss-money-a
Has he never heard of the Bacha Bazi Boys! Muzrats are the worlds biggest pedos and perverts.
Kill em all!
Cernovich’s madness echoes with the madness and ignorance of the Progressive/Fascists, the Democrats and every leftist slug of the great unwashed. Islam, in truth, is an apocalyptic Cult of Death feigning religiosity. It fits, fuses with the doctrine, diktat of Globalism and Progressivism design to eradicate Western Civilization. The EU and Britain have already capitulated to Islamism. There is no moderate Islam; its core, Quran is based on terror, nihilism and the liquidation of non-Muslims.
Those Leftist/Fascists/Democrats believing the existence of moderate Islam will dutifully walk hand-in-hand to the Halal abattoir, slaughterhouse with not a bleat or bray. These Leftists, Democrats, the kowtowing Western aspirant Muslims are sheeple and will pay heavily for their ignorance and treason.
he’s 100% right, its all you got left america, get used to ti!
Who’s paying you to troll?
He’s a muzrat homosexual woman hating pervert.
Just ignore the troll and for fks sake don’t feed him.
Cernovich is a Class A jerk. His last Tweet equates Christianity with Satan. Cernovich doesn’t believe in Satan either.
It appears that this Cernovich knows less about Christianity than Islam.
I have never heard of the guy before either.
To begin my commentary, I must admit that I have become an
Islamophobe. My fear of Islam is based on the violence that is used by the
Islamists to justify vile conduct that emanates from their belief system that
violates everything that I believe is morally right and reverent. When I use
the word “reverent,” I define it as being “a deep respect for someone or
something,” a gesture of respect,” and conduct which involves regard or
treatment with great respect.” I see the Ten Commandments, brought to us by the
Jewish faith, as bold written evidence of the kind of reverence or morality
that was expected of the people of this world. The Commandments themselves ,
after declaring the one God concept, no idol worship, never using God’s name in
vain, with direction to keep one day every week as a day of Sabbath, commands us to honor our father and mother,
not to commit murder, nor adultery, nor
stealing, nor false witness, nor coveting thy neighbor’s person or
property. Those principles are what the people are supposed to comply with to
essentially create a society of goodness and rightness, and I will not
denigrate any religion that understands and practices reverence, but I do not
see Islam as being a belief system that has as its goal the practice of
reverence. Therefore I find commentary that actually believes that moderation
and reverent conduct can be expected of Islamic believers to be fallacious.
Islam, from my perspective, is not a practice that accepts and respects others,
not of their persuasion, which is their written and the underlying conduct of
their claim to be a godlike belief system. They promote and preach domination
and death to non-believers, especially those of Jewish persuasion, or servitude
when asked to convert and refusing to do so. They mistreat and violate female gender
by mutilation of what God has created for them, or, if you like, what mother
nature has created for them over time and evolution; they persecute all those
who accuse them of being a political belief system, not a religion, and they
refuse to allow with impunity any comments which state the reality that they
have no reverence or claim to religious propriety. Therefore, I believe to
expect any REAL moderation that would result in reverence is inane. Historical
events have established that that possibility has not happened over 1400 years
and will likely never happen.
So you’re saying you’re sane and rational. Welcome to reality. When you make an assessment of how truly bad it is in the real world you may want to put some blinders back on, but take heed, once you know, there’s no going back. I believe it’s called crossing the Rubicon.
The West does NOT need to allow thousands of backward, 7th century, unvetted and violent muslim savages into our countries that have ‘enshrined’ sexual slavery, rape, forced conversion, assault, murder and genocide in their FAKE religion!
To be totally honest, I don’t recognize the name “Mike Cernovich”. I’ll do a search now.
Alrighty then, here is a prominent blurb, upper right, “Bing” search-engine:
Michael Cernovich is an American alt-right social media personality, writer, and conspiracy theorist. Cernovich rejects the label alt-right, describing himself as “new right”. The Southern Poverty Law Center has identified him as a male supremacist.
Ominous, little help.
All Cernovich was doing was pointing out that present Christianity has taken no steps to mitigate the decay in our civilization.
Unfortunately many churches have substituted humanism for Christianity.
Why go to a church that doesn’t say what is right and wrong? Many are afraid too.
For some they’d rather have a mega church like Joel Osteen. There are still some good ones around but not like it used to be.
I-for one, would appreciate any suggestions on where to find one. I suspect they are probably small churches and rural.
so why even mention islam, then?
I canceled following Cernovich on social media today. He’s either self-destructive, stupid or what and I care not to make the distinction.
He and Pam and Milo spoke at Berkley. Looked into him some a while ago. Gorilla Mindset? He’s all over the place, no set fundamental beliefs, thus blowing in the wind. Very self centered person. Masculinity and authority doesn’t have to be exercised in a flaunting, throwing your weight around way to be effective. This isn’t obvious to the youth, and some see arrogance as success, it’s not, it’s an illusion of competence, and destructive mostly to those who are arrogant and those around such individuals.
LOL. He’s desperately churning the cesspool of islum in hopes it’ll turn into cream.
Some hope!! He’d be wise not to hold his breath.
“Moderate” islam is simply islam that is infiltrating and subverting you, as, for example, — by convincing Mike Cernovich that “moderated islam” is the best we can hope for in the West. NO. Islam is all bad, bad to the bone, and should be treated as a virulent epidemic, with every case eradicated or deported as soon as possible.
I can accept sane ex-moslems, if it’s possible to verify… somehow…
Taqiyya means it is not possible.
No other religion on Earth condones lying like izlam does.
Wow! Cernovich better read the koran PRONTO!
His comment wins the sphincter of the internet award.. there is no such thing as ” moderate islam”
No such thing as kinder, gentler dhimmitude…….
Hey Mike: In the pursuit to intelligence- we all say sh-t we regret. Man up, Own up, and Move on
This is not the first statement that Cernovitch has made that casts him as a fool,nor do I believe it will be the last.
There are already small sects of Islam that wish to-be nonviolent!!! The problem is that Islam can only be true Islam by upholding the oppressive barbarianism of unbelievers per Islamic sharia, as it comes direct from Allah (i.e. fake prophet) being unchangeable! It is either them or us! We must kill and bury them with pigs! That is the law that in their mind puts Muslim men (i.e. the only human beings per their religious right by international law) in Hell losing the 72 virgins and all the past white sex slaves they have raped that will then be raped for eternity in a unending gluttonous orgy!
So we go from pedophilia to bestiality. Nice…..
The left thinks we are making progress.
Given that islum hasn’t reformed itself in over a thousand years who the hell thinks that it’s possible now?
Fk Erdogan, that lying bastard!!
I don’t know anything about Cernovich, either. But he is obviously clueless that the same misogynist patriarchalism that persists in the West,despite genuine feminist progress toward gender equality and freedom from sexual harrassment, is even more rampant in Muslim countries, where there is virtually no anti-misogyny movement to check its excesses and rein it in. And the sad, damning irony is that the same “progressive” forces who rightly fight against exploitation of women in the West turn a complete blind eye to much worse abuses going on in the Muslim-dominated part of the world, and ally themselves with the most abominable ultra-right, medievalist, fundamentalist Islamo-fascists to undermine their own values. So it’s not as though the secular humanists are doing any better than the Christians at avoiding hypocrisy and self-justification of their own sins.
Ms. Geller is right — though there is still abuse and misogyny going on in the West, it is not really Christianity’s fault, but rather, that of individuals and institutions (including nominally Christian ones) turning away from humane Judeo-Christian values that continues to permit such atrocities to happen. Meanwhile, in the world under Islam, some clerics and pundits openly justify and glorify such conduct debasing women as righteous and proper per Islamic values.
That official Islamic support for misogyny is the bigger abomination, but I’m not sure if it’s a difference that matters much, when some right-wing Western Christian clerics and leaders also express misogynist sentiments that are not quite, but nearly as harmful to women’s rights. For instance, the anti-abortion movement, the anti-“MeToo” movement to excuse sexual assault with a “boys will be boys” attitude, and the persistence of patriarchalist fundamentalist views such as VP Pence’s, which in combination continue to see all women as either saintly mothers or damnable temptresses and whores, rather than as complex, individual human beings with agency to make their own decisions.
Cernovich is a cuck, trying to be relevant. I stopped listening to him over a year ago. I anticipate his lovely Persian wife divorcing him and taking their lovely daughter with her, and hell, maybe even the dog. She will also take the divorce settlement Mike got out of his first wife with her. Strange, isn’t it?
i think zionism (ie: land stealingism) is the only hope ..
“”…Israel’s Settlements Have No Legal Validity, Constitute Flagrant Violation of International Law, Security Council Reaffirms …””
There is NO “Moderate Islam”.
It’s a LIE to deceive those stupid enuff to believe it.
allah and muhammad were gay lovers and when bored would Fornicate SWINE.
The only hope for the west is to Ban islam.
PROSCRIBE ISLAM IN THE WEST!
Islam is what it is, namely a seventh century primitive desert creed suitable for nomadic Bedouins. As applied to 21st century civilization, it is barbaric, regressive, inhuman, inherently medieval, sexist, violent. In short, Islam is pure EVIL and will never be anything else. It can’t. It is fixed for all time, static and frozen like a bug in amber. It cannot be reasoned with, it cannot be reformed, it cannot be watered down and it sure as hell isn’t going to magically morph into something else more rational and benign. With Islam there are two choices…submit or fight. There is no third choice, so take your pick. If, like me you think Islam needs to be destroyed, the choice is clear. That the world and its people (especially Muslims), would be much better off without this totalitarian supremacist so-called religion, goes without saying.
That is why we have nukes to mass polish turds.
While Christians are…
Tolerate: abide, accept, acquiesce, allow, be lenient, bear, bear with, brook, carry on, consent, endure, indulge, make the best of, oblige, permit, put up with, receive, sanction, stand, stomach, submit to, suffer, swallow, take patiently, tolerare, undergo, See also: abide, accept, acknowledge, allow, assent, authorize, concede, condescend, condone, consent, deign, endure, excuse, forbear, let, palliate, permit, receive, recognize, resist, sanction, submit, suffer, vouchsafe, withstand, yield.
They are…
Occupy: abide, acquire, annex, appropriate, assume, assume ownership, be possessed of, capture, claim, colonize, command, conquer, control, denizen, dominate, dwell, dwell in, expropriate, have possession of, have rights to, have title to, help oneself to, hold, indwell, inhabit, invade, keep, keep hold of, keep house, live, live in, lodge, make one’s home at, move into, obtain, own, possess, procure, recover, reside in, retain, seize, settle in, stay, take from, take over, take up residence in.
P.S. Mike is trolling “Christians”. How could you NOT get it? It is evident all around you!
So also faith, if it does not have works (deeds and actions of obedience to back it up), by itself is destitute of power (inoperative, dead).