NY Times says U.S. part of ‘new axis of evil’

Noticed you couldn’t bestir yourself to come up with a single argument to support your thesis, which conveniently enables you to avoid accepting a measure of responsibility for the legacy you leave the generations that come after us.

And you want to point fingers about arrogance!

Thank you, Miss Banality, but I believe even here, one can make points and defend them with facts, logic and plausible arguments. A thesis need not be a formal document. People like you simply state your version of truth, with nothing to substantiate your claims. But your deliberate ignoring of reality does not change the fact that releasing greenhouse gases into the atmosphere does serve to warm the earth.

Yes, I have. Did you even read my comments on this thread? I gave a very simple and qualitative explanation (of an extraordinarily complex issue) of how, by allowing more solar energy to stay in the earth and its atmosphere, releasing greenhouse gases does increase global temperature. I even posed a question along those lines- how could it be otherwise?- to which nobody responded. You increase energy in a system, temperature will increase. It’s true of rubber bands, and it’s true of the earth.

You show every evidence of being unwilling to engage your mind. I have no doubt that it suits your convenience in life to go on believing that industrial activity and its associated combustion have no consequences for global climate, while you adduce no arguments to support your fantasy- that is why I refer to you as Miss Banality.

First, I don’t bother reading pompous diatribes

But previously, you claimed, addressing me:

You, also, are simply stating you version of the truth

I guess that means admit to having done exactly that. But, if you haven’t read my comments, how would you know that is what I do?

Sorry, ‘nada, but the disconnect in your comments marks you as an idiot. But by now, I already knew that.

but there is no way mankind … can affect the climate changes the Earth experiences over millennia

And the source of your clarity comes from where? Perhaps an archangel relayed this insight to you?

You then rattle on about volcanoes and other acts of nature, as if they some had a bearing on the discussion of anthropogenic climate change. You have very little insight into the matter, Katelyn, which, however poses no bar to your muddled “clarity”.

I have never claimed that nature does not have a huge bearing on what happens on Earth. In fact, life probably created the circumstances by which more complex organisms could thrive. I merely deny your totally unsubstantiated claim that human activity is not having a considerable effect on the planet, including its temperature- “history” is simply no guide to an unprecedented situation.

I realize I have been harsh with you, but I think the demands of truth requires a certain bluntness. Indeed, I am not the most tactful of men. I will note, in my interaction with you, I have provided a rationale for such ungentle things as calling you an idiot, unlike the goons here who have said that, and worse, to me. Say, in what way are my comments “pompous diatribes”?

You should study the matter a bit of global warming before making the kinds of extravagant claims you have. Let the search for truth, not your personal preferences, be your guide. After all, we are dealing with what our generation will bequeath our descendants.

I wish you no ill will, but do hope you can redeem yourself with a degree of intellectual rigor and integrity, neither of which are in abundant supply among commenters here.

Well what about “the pics from space”? Such comments mean nothing: they are pure, unsubstantiated twaddle. What “pics”? What do they show?

Yes, you tell me I didn’t cite any reasons or evidence for my statement, and then, almost in the same breath, say you didn’t read the comments, referring to them as “pompous diatribes”. That kind of contradiction marks you as an idiot in my my book: one wholly lacking in intellectual integrity. Sorry, but that is the way I see it.

the idea that mankind can influence the Earth’s climate to any determinable degree is almost ludicrous

As is your habit, you provide no evidence to support your claim. Ref 1, which I presume is beyond your intellectual scope (hey, don’t feel too bad- it challenges mine too), analyzed over 10,000 peer reviewed papers written by people who have devoted their professional lives to studying climate. It notes:

Among scientists who expressed a position on AGW[anthropogenic global warming] in their abstract, 98.4% endorsed the consensus [that humans are causing global warming].

Any way the 10,000+ peer reviewed papers were sliced, at least 97% reached that conclusion. The scientific consensus is overwhelming- but again, you know better.

That gives the lie to the notion that scientists who study climate are not in essential agreement on the matter of AGW (you, of course, who really know nothing about it, claim that the very idea of AGW is “almost ludicrous”). You are not a person whose thoughts can be taken seriously – and yes, I would go so far as to call you an idiot, a hugely arrogant one at that. At very least you should reserve judgement, and admit that you simply lack the expertise to offer insight on the matter.

I wonder at the motivation for your beliefs. Without knowing anything about the science of climate, you reach a conclusion greatly at variance with those who have studied the matter. What is in it for you? Personal convenience is the best answer I can come up with.

Please believe me when I say I take no satisfaction in calling you an idiot. But given how you have presented here, that is my opinion, and I see no reason to pull my punches: my concern for the future of humanity and my own search for truth leads me there. Again, unlike the “goon squad here” (among which I do not number you), I pay you the respect of telling you why.

Ref 1: http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/8/2/024024

History

And your mind that qualifies as an explanation of why human activity is not changing climate? Hardly- you show a truly pathetic understanding of the phenomenon. All history shows is that climate fluctuates naturally- history does not show that industrial activity cannot change global planetary climate as you claim.

You present here as someone with a banal and shallow mind.

Just to clear, there is no genuine precedent for humanity’s current impact on the earth.

On second thought, even nuclear war cannot change Earths’ climate in the long run, because Mother Nature will always prevail, eventually. lol

Ah, so I’m an idiot. Perfect. How civil your description is. I am not talking about scientists speaking as journalist. Krugman has a record anyone can access. I would suggest you do it, but it would do no good. Your biases get in the way of reading anything objectively. I shall respectfully not respond to any further comments by you since I don’t wish to lend them any dignity.

Okay. I’m not an idiot, I just say idiotic things. Got it. Breaking my word here by responding, but I can’t get over how you can manage to hurl insults while claiming that you don’t. My response is idiotic and I lake understanding. This is the typical kind of response you tend to get from your side of the discussion. I “chose” not to engage in a waste of time.

Cowardice takes many forms : Cowardice of thought and conviction, cowardice of faith and conviction, cowardice of action and of complacency – truly the opposite of real progressiveness. The people do have power, more power than they know sometimes, but a morass of complacency, a laziness of thought and honor, can too easily take hold and be taken advantage of.

Too many slept, thinking all was well enough, when the wolf came a knocking and someone let him in. Too many representatives saw the slumber and thought they could make a good buck off of it, but there were others who also saw the slumber and wanted power as well and had a different agenda.

Liberty is a worthy partner but it comes with a price ; eternal vigilance can’t be just a slogan. A rot set in, in the offices and bastions of trust, those tasked with protecting the integrity of faith and the core of Western identity. That fifth column has invaded every level of civil service, every level of elected representation, every level of academia ; its pervasiveness is matched by its penetration and now thrives on the complacency and cowardice it fostered.
Some are waking up, but the dynamics have changed and we need to recognize that and prepare accordingly.