[ April 19, 2024 ]
You just woke up on a weekday and notice it’s much lighter outside than usual. You’re used to getting up early. You look at your alarm clock and see nothing but a black display acting like a dark mirror. You lift your watch from your bedside table. The second hand has stopped and the electronic display is gone. You try to turn your light on, but no luck. You hop out of bed and head for the kitchen. You programmed your coffee maker to start brewing at 6:30 in the morning. No coffee in the pot, and the green numerals that display the time are gone. You go into the living room push a button on the remote to turn your TV on. Black screen reflecting your image. You look at your antique grandfather clock as it chimes 9:00 AM. That’s working, but you’re already late for work. Your usual wakeup routine has timed out.
You have no way of knowing what’s going on, but at 12:01 A.M. Eastern Time, the electric grid was attacked in three ways: The Eastern Interconnection was taken out by hackers; The Electric Reliability Council of Texas was brought down by attacks on transformers at critical substations, the Western Interconnection went dark when a SCUD missile with a nuclear warhead was launched from an empty oil tanker and set to explode at an altitude of 100 miles above the West Coast. It sent an electromagnetic pulse (EMP) crashing soundlessly down on not only the Western Interconnection, but as insurance, it takes out more than just the Western Interconnection.
The tanker sinks swiftly after multiple explosions fourteen miles outside of our international waters are reported by passing ships that witnessed the blasts. It was scuttled to avoid its identification and nationality.
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The timer on the government’s estimate clicks on—if the power stays out for months or a year, upwards of 92% of the U.S. population will go extinct. And you thought that only a nuclear holocaust could cause that kind of carnage.
While the scenario above is extremely unlikely, in fact, any one of those attacks could take out the grid in an instant, the worst being an EMP, which takes out anything with electronic parts: all communications, cyberspace, electricity (including all solar panels), all automobiles manufactured after 1974, all electronics, a larger than acceptable number of weapons in the military, the whole nine yards. In approximately a month, all sixty-two nuclear power plants, some of which have more than one reactor and all spent-fuel-rod pools in the U.S. will go Fukushima after all, the generators and batteries pumping cool water over them —massive meltdowns casting nuclear contamination into the Jet Stream, water supplies and the top six inches of topsoil nationwide.
Even if a reactor is offline, the nuclear fuel rods need cool water flushed over them to keep them from reaching critical temperatures. The Nuclear Regulatory Commission requires all nuclear plants to have only a one-week backup supply of diesel fuel to power their generators during an extended outage. One week. There’s no way to pump gas, so it must be siphoned out of whatever gas stations have it, and once the tanks run dry, no more deliveries.
Think it can’t happen? Consider that a single human error at an Ohio power plant took out the power to the Mid-Atlantic and the Northeastern regions of the U.S, and parts of Canada in 2003 which is also known as Northeast blackout of 2003. That pretty much sums up the fragility of an electric grid we cannot live without but that has a foundation of parts dating back to the first power interconnection ever built. We’ve been laying new technology over the old ever since, and some of the software controlling the grid is Unix-based—too easily hacked already by the Chinese, Russians and possibly Iran. It’s truly the ultimate nightmare.
Our bet is that you’ve heard about EMPs and what would happen if we were hit by two or three. We also believe that in few if any of the stories you’ve read have included the nuclear meltdown aspect of this, most likely because the government doesn’t want to cause panic or the author hadn’t thought about our nuclear plants. This is as true Armageddon for the United States of America, the most powerful nation on the planet, which, after a year, will comprise a population of 8% of what it had been before the attack.
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146 Comments
5 years ago
Many who have served in the military, and took survival training, will be able to survive. Those who depend on technology to run their lives will be frozen in time with their finger on a smart phone screen that no longer can respond.
5 years ago
Reply to
Mohammed_Goldberg
If you don’t know by now you never will.
Do you think MG is a Muslim?
5 years ago
Our mining town will go back to early 20th century. We will keep mining gold. Say hello to Mad Max for me.
5 years ago
Reply to
lostlegends
Where will you sell it and what will you buy? I can mine gold too, but I can’t eat it!
5 years ago
Reply to
inner_explorer
Why do you mine gold ? For the ability to buy something with it. It has been that way since the beginning. Someone will sell something for the right price. Think about it .
5 years ago
Reply to
lostlegends
Don’t forget the candles, kerosene and of course, the burros. These worked very well in the late 1800’s.
5 years ago
Reply to
aebe
How ’bout a big ass lathe,a poured flywheel and a 2 man tredle. Not stone age. Iron age.
5 years ago
Reply to
jim
Right around 1/4 horsepower per treadaler.. I worked for a guy who had built a treadle powered machine lathe, he was putting a motor on it the last time I saw it.
5 years ago
Dems love iranians
5 years ago
During a snowstorm the city I live in lost power for three days. 5 degrees. No lights, tv, refrigerator, heat. Market on generator. Only canned and box food. Total withdrawal from comforts of the world. Pray it doesn’t happen
5 years ago
Unless we take the appropriate measures to protect our electric grid and harden military assets to withstand the detonation of an enhanced-EMP detonated 300 miles above the center of our country, Americans could become an endangered species. The pulses would not harm us, we would in be essence instantly paralyzed and rendered deaf, dumb and blind, all of us wondering what happened?
There has been much discussion about a standard EMP (an electromagnetic pulse) attack, the result of the detonation of a nuclear weapon at between 25 and 300 miles in space. It would take as many as three EMPs to take out our entire electric grid. An enhanced-EMP, on the other hand, involves the detonation of a small, low-yield hydrogen bomb that would send out an E1 pulse that would hit the electric infrastructure of the entire country with a massive amount of gamma rays that will take out our entire electric grid and most anything with electronics powering them, “all at once.” Gone among other things would be electricity, communications, transportation, running water, food and fuel. We would be suddenly thrust back to the 1800s.
Worse, estimates by the government and those of us who study the potential damage done by an enhanced-EMP are absolutely stunning. At risk of disappearing within a year of the collapse of the electric grid is a staggering ninety percent (90%) of the U.S. population.
In addition, our ability to respond to such an attack is questionable. Far too many military assets will be rendered useless after an attack of this kind. The DOD has testified before Congress that its source of 99% of its electricity comes from the civilian grid.
5 years ago
Reply to
Amil Imani
Dems were paid by Iranian lobbyists to support Nuke deal http://tinyurl.com/mcake4d
And their holdovers still support it.
5 years ago
Reply to
Amil Imani
See Jeremiah 51:30-32. Is that what “the passages (communications) are stopped” means during the judgment of an end-time Babylon?
One way or another, judgment is coming to America. Who will be able to stand?
5 years ago
Reply to
Mark Steiner
It’s already here….it has started, but it can be turned around if the will is there.
5 years ago
Reply to
felix1999
That is, repentance similar to what Jeremiah provided in 18:7-8. Judgment has arrived. Nothing but calamity in America since the 2017 eclipse – the worst of which were the fires in California.
5 years ago
Reply to
Mark Steiner
“One way or another, judgment is coming to America.”
Yours is the only viable and biblically-reliable conclusion a spiritually-discerning individual can reach-particularly since America is mentioned nowhere among the nations in end-time prophecy.
Some of us have been warning about this particular imminent threat for decades. Yet most have not, and will not, heed the warning.
5 years ago
Reply to
WM1
Our government will never do anything about this potential scenario. They would rather hand out welfare checks to illegals so they can get their votes.
5 years ago
Reply to
Tweetertots
Regrettably, I must agree. Incidentally (in case you were not aware) 63% remain on welfare for years-as was the case with ‘my people.’
Illegals are, now, replacing blacks as the new voting block (slaves on the Democratic plantation).
5 years ago
Reply to
Mark Steiner
Jeremiah talks about the invasion of Judah by Babylon in 606 BC, 598 BC, and 588-86 BC. Not the end of time Babylon. Revelation deals with end time Babylon.
5 years ago
Reply to
nag2
True. There are verses in ch. 50-51 that seem to describe a land outside ancient Babylon between the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers. Isaiah 13 has a good treatment of this judgment.
5 years ago
Reply to
Mark Steiner
Ah-h-h-h yes … another edifying response from an enlightened intellectual. Glad you have your pulse on the “future”. Spare not. Post frequently. The world needs the knowledge you alone are privy to.
5 years ago
Reply to
Mark Steiner
The Buddha taught that to realize enlightenment, a person must develop two qualities: wisdom and compassion. Even blithering idiots should be shown some compassion. Poor little robbi needs it.
5 years ago
Reply to
Mark Steiner
Worth a cup of coffee for the road …
So, this make you a (name it) atheist, non-theist or anti-theist?
5 years ago
Reply to
Mark Steiner
In what way has the scientific method been fornicated by, as you put it, “religitards”.
Basic observation? Measurement? Recording? Testing? Theory/hypothesis/law?
5 years ago
Reply to
Mark Steiner
There are many adults running around this country who never abandoned childish ways. Some end up in trouble with the law.
5 years ago
Reply to
Mark Steiner
I have no imaginary friends …. you once stated, in effect, that if you can’t see it smell it, taste it, hear it, or (“god” forbid) Measure it – it doesn’t exist. Correct?
The beginning and end of science as you understand it?
5 years ago
Reply to
Mark Steiner
You should know what it is if you subscribe to science.
Again, from a previous post, the first entry was Observation. Do you have a problem with that?
5 years ago
Reply to
Mark Steiner
I wrote it down in a previous post and you missed it – again. It appears your ability to “observe” (step 1) needs a little polish.
5 years ago
Reply to
Amil Imani
Clearly, unlike most, you’ve been paying attention (as I have).
Even our military, finally, has ‘come clean’ about this imminent threat. I’ve been waiting, for many years, for them to do so.
5 years ago
Reply to
Amil Imani
Yeh but the politicians, military, Mormons and preppers would survive to repopulate the brave new world..
5 years ago
Good article, Frank Gaffney has discussed this issue in-depth as well. He mentioned there are 50 key transformers across the US which power the grid. An EMP would take them all out, they’re extremely costly and complicated/time-consuming to build and there are no spares lying around. The scenario you mentioned isn’t far from actually happening.
Politicians in Pakistan recently threatened to nuke the Netherlands over the Mohammad cartoons. It is also a central hub of international terrorism and the man running the country Imran Khan is close friends with the Taliban.
So basically it is like an ISIS state with nukes. How hard would it be for them to hand them off to Al Qaeda or other terrorists to use against America? Don’t forget that Pakistan was also hiding Osama bin Laden for many years, until a good guy, Dr Afridi tipped us off to his location. Fkg Obama let this man get jailed and tortured as his reward for helping us, rather than allowing him to escape the country.
As Pam always reminds us, we can ignore reality but not the consequences of ignoring reality. Frankly I don’t think we should be playing games with Iran, Pakistan and NK. They should be denuclearized ASAP. Additionally the US grid must be hardened against EMP attacks. The money is there all that is lacking is the political will.
5 years ago
Reply to
Ban Islam
Nothing happens outside the will of God,
An EMP would shut down Pelosi, too.
5 years ago
Reply to
Mark Steiner
He is still sovereign … operating within the counsel of his own will. whether the world chooses to believe it or not.
5 years ago
Reply to
Ban Islam
While I like your idea it is largely impractical as the nuclear fallout will travel around the world poisoning us and our crops. Besides the US, Europe, Israel, India have plenty of conventional weapons to take out all Islamic regimes on the planet if they wanted.
I have a solution which costs the least amount of suffering/lives: regime change. Invade these countries, topple the evil regimes, confiscate all their nukes and convert them into secular democracies.
Of course there will be many insurgents but the good thing is that we can arm the Christians-Atheists, non-Muslims basically to take back their countries. So it requires little effort/money on our part and the problem takes care of itself, instead of occupying all these nations. Muslims will be given a chance to leave Islam while those who wish to wage war for Allah will be eradicated.
Additionally we need to deal with the 5th Column Muslims in our own countries. We can’t go bombing Islamic states willy-nilly without angering the Muslims in our towns/cities who will no doubt start attacking us on our own soil so of course they will need to be interned and preferably deported.
5 years ago
Reply to
Ban Islam
“Besides the US, Europe, Israel, India have plenty of conventional weapons to take out all Islamic regimes on the planet if they wanted.”
Wish that were true. But it isn’t.
Here’s the latest ominous admission and warning by our military on the subject:
5 years ago
Reply to
WM1
What are you talking about? The US military budget is around $700 billion/yr more than most of the top countries combined. America definitely does have the firepower it needs to take out any country it wants. All it lacks is the will power.
5 years ago
Reply to
Ban Islam
Our military openly admits they’re, essentially, defenseless in the face of an EMP attack due to their dependency on the civilian electric power grid which is not hardened.
Translation: All the weapons (and budget) in the world won’t help our nation’s military if they cannot use them!
The author of this article admits the same as our military: “…our ability to respond to such an attack is questionable. Far too many military assets will be rendered useless after an attack of this kind. The DOD has testified before Congress that its source of 99% of its electricity comes from the civilian grid.”
Now, the article I shared with you before:
5 years ago
Reply to
Ban Islam
“I have a solution which costs the least amount of suffering/lives:
regime change. Invade these countries, topple the evil regimes,
confiscate all their nukes and convert them into secular democracies.”
You are not, in any way, dealing with reality. Your “solution” is so fraught with problems, they are too many to list here. Please, move away from the keyboard and run to your nearest state mental hospital for intense electro-shock therapy.
5 years ago
Reply to
santashandler
You claim my solution is fraught with problems, yet fail to point out even one thing wrong with it (don’t forget John Bolton and many senior Trump advisers also advocate for regime change in Iran and NK). You don’t offer any solutions of your own, then run away from the argument with a cheap ad hominem attack.
Seems like you’re the one who should be checking into the loony-bin. You have no good ideas, just hostility and juvenile insults. That is called failing.
5 years ago
Reply to
Ban Islam
Ok, genius. You proposed regime changes to all the Islamic countries. Just one country would require nearly our entire military to carry out. In case you haven’t noticed, they are spread a little thin at the moment.
Once we succeed in toppling the current government, then what. Do we leave? We did a “regime change” in Libya and look how that turned out. or Cuba. What you fail to see, is that when one regime is eliminated, the one that replaces it, is far worse. Didn’t quite think that one through, did you, sport? You speak like someone who’s had no military experience, hence the ‘take-over-every-country-approach.’
5 years ago
Reply to
santashandler
Now, now, santashandler. Don’t be too harsh on the little dear. She does claim to be a man, “for the record”.
5 years ago
Reply to
Achmed Mohandjob
You’re right. I need to have more compassion for the mentally disordered. Especially at this time of year!
5 years ago
Reply to
santashandler
The Buddha taught that to realize enlightenment, a person must develop two qualities: wisdom and compassion.
This time of the year, we truly need to put more emphasis on the compassion … wisdom will follow.
5 years ago
Reply to
Achmed Mohandjob
Gee, the fortune cookie I got last night after bad Chinese, told me I had already achieved enlightenment. Maybe I’ll sue the restaurant and cookie co. for emotional distress. I’ll go back to the restaurant in a dirty night shirt and demand they settle for $500k. If they don’t, I’ll have my lawyer set up a podium out front for a news conference explaining that the systemic discrimination being perpetrated by the restaurant cannot go unpunished and that I’ll need at LEAST $40M to recover from such a heinous injury, both to me and my family.
5 years ago
Reply to
Achmed Mohandjob
Still waiting to see any shred of this so-called “wisdom” you claim to possess.
You were thoroughly trounced on the question of Secularism and Climate Change and grammar.
So now you’ve shifted to trash talking but clearly you’re even weaker on this subject. Anyways I’ll let you two shine each other’s knobs.
If you have any real subjects you want to be owned/educated on again, let me know.
5 years ago
Reply to
Ban Islam
I only stated that a moslem nation could not be made secular. That’s history, to this date. So, once again, little one … you were OWNED. You had your ass kicked.
Your exceedingly poor level of education, you not knowing that punctuation is NOT grammar .. You had your ass kicked again, little one.
I would offer to continue to humiliate you. However, you do such a fine job of humiliating yourself.
Be a good little girl and cease ATTEMPTING (special emphasis added) to address your social and intellectual betters. You poor, poor little dear.
5 years ago
Reply to
MuhamMUDTheFakeProphet
Just having fun kicking little “ban islam’s” ass. She’s a real peach. She knows SO much about military operations in moslem lands … Air strikes? Then it’s “easy” to make ’em secular… These snowflakes simply don’t understand No Quarter Given.
5 years ago
Reply to
santashandler
Good idea Santa be kind to yourself at this time of year. I bet you have an imaginary friend that loves you. lol
5 years ago
Reply to
Achmed Mohandjob
Achmed is still butthurt over losing the last debate so now he’s going to follow me around taking pot-shots to soothe his fragile ego. You can call me a girl if it makes you feel better you poor sad creature.
5 years ago
Reply to
Ban Islam
Poor little banni. She was beaten into submission, with an education level so low that she didn’t know that there was a substantial difference between grammar and punctuation. The poor little dear continues to HUMILIATE herself. However, she should be pitied. The Buddha taught that to realize enlightenment, a person must develop two qualities: wisdom and compassion. She truly needs our compassion.
5 years ago
Reply to
santashandler
Thank god we don’t have pea-brained fools like you running the US Military, well you’d get laughed out of the boardroom for that comment. Your non-interventionism makes you sound a lot like a Democrat or a cowardly Republican.
No you don’t need to send in the entire US military to bring down any Islamic regime. Even John Bolton suggested we’d bring down the Mullahs in Iran with airstrikes and very limited to zero ground forces.
Most of the Islamic world is very poor excluding the oil-rich nations. Additionally if you read my post then you’d know I already said that we’d hand the country over to Secularists (Christians, Atheists, Hindus, etc) who will handle the job of de-Islamifying their own countries.
Obviously so we don’t hand the country to another set of Muslims like we did in Iraq/Afghanistan. So either you didn’t read what I wrote and you were just desperate to “win” the argument or you have poor comprehension skills.
It’s clear you have very limited knowledge of the military and the Islamic world. You’re completely out of your depth. But do continue, I have no problem making a fool out of you for your obvious lack of knowledge.
Also what’s your solution? Sit back and let Muslims drop nukes on us? Ya good thinking genius!
Are you seriously trying to suggest I’d support anything that Obama/Shrillary would do (ie Libya)? You’re mad, plum loco if you think that.
5 years ago
Reply to
Ban Islam
“non-interventionism?” What a laugh. Anybody who knows anything about military strategy, which you obviously don’t, is that you CANNOT take over a country with airstrikes alone. They are merely the first step. You must then go in with ground troops. That’s where it gets ugly. But, you in you’re video game fantasy world, think that we can just drop a few Tomahawks and voila! We’ve won the war! You’re completely deluded. Especially after that comment that we’d ‘hand the country over to secularists.’ Just like that, eh? So easy, right? I’m suggesting that taking over any muslim country, the ‘leaders’ you would be installing would be far worse. Then what. Go in and take them out too? You’re out of it as evidenced by your lack of any up votes here. So, it’s not just me who thinks you are in need of some quality mental hospital time. Cheers!
5 years ago
Reply to
santashandler
The American public, none that have EVER seen combat …. but the rest that haven’t, have had this delusional fantasy since Desert Storm. The news was nothing but “smart bombs” and surgical strikes. Generals wearing “desert camo” waxing and waning. The USMC was the first to cross into Kuwait. It was not until we had put the moslems on the run, killing them faster than they could surrender … that was what won that conflict. And, killing moslems is a LOT of fun.
5 years ago
Reply to
Achmed Mohandjob
I’ll bet it is…..
Yes, the belief is that the smart bombs did everything in Desert Storm. The hard work came after all that.
5 years ago
Reply to
santashandler
He’s living in a fantasy world. “secular democracies” don’t exist ANYWHERE in the muslum world today where he gets the idea he can force a “secular democracy” on their vile, fascist, Jew hating culture and ideology I don’t know.
5 years ago
Reply to
Ban Islam
“…convert them into secular democracies”. Bwahahahahahahaha, that’s what we tried in Iraq — we all see how that turned out, they voted in an islamic theocracy.
5 years ago
We are very vulnerable.
If that should happen, welcome to the stone age.
5 years ago
I read just about everything on here and most of it is correct. Nobody actually hit the nail on the head.
We are more than likely to get hit by a coronal mass ejection first. We get hit all the time you have to be on the faceing side towards the sun. That’s why most don’t even notice it. Either way we do have to harden the system. High Frontier people have been pushing this for at least a decade or longer.
5 years ago
Reply to
neil barron
Oops – that is a good point. A CME event would be far worse than any nuclear pop gun launched by a terrorist group or puppet state.
5 years ago
We didn’t give anyone ideas they already and have known.
5 years ago
An Arab muslum from Soddy Barbaria once bragged to my friends that he worked at San Onofre nuclear power plant near San Diego.
5 years ago
Good article. For a rather good rendition of what could happen along these lines, read “One Second After” by William Forstschen (see http://tinyurl.com/y85ams7b), followed by “One Year After” (
http://tinyurl.com/y72qpuej) and “The Final Day” (
http://tinyurl.com/y8w3h5py). Rather sobering reading, but if it can spur readers to take what preventative and protective action can be taken for the day it happens, I’d say it’s worth it.
5 years ago
Reply to
jjs110
Yeah, you can get them as audio books too, which is what I have. Not only those, but many audiobooks on any and every kind of attack on our country. I can’t get enough of survival audiobooks! I’ve got soooo many, that one of those attacks will probably happen, before I finish listening to them all!
Those titles you mentioned are VERY good!
5 years ago
Reply to
jjs110
It is indeed. However, most will remain in deliberate denial and do nothing.
5 years ago
Oh, you know this is going to happen. So you might as well prepare for it. Practice one day of no electricity frequently and unexpectedly, once in awhile.
Stock up on food, water, etc, weapons and ammo ready. Train to live and die like they did in the 1800’s. Visit lots of stores that have hand-operated devices.
Goodbye.
5 years ago
Reply to
Alleged-Comment
The best preparation, by far, is to ‘get right with God.’ The wise will repent of their sins and turn to the Savior (the Lord Jesus Christ) for salvation before it’s too late.
Does anyone, really, believe our enemies (Russia, China, North Korea, Iran, etc.) will ‘hold their fire’ once we’ve been rendered completely helpless and vulnerable because of an EMP attack?
America cannot, possibly, survive.
5 years ago
All the dire possibilities outlined in this doomsday scenario are simply reasons why you should NOT vote for a commiecrat.
Drive safely, the life you save could be a Republican.
5 years ago
“Murkowski Blocks Effort to Protect US Power Grid
Thursday, 14 October 2010 06:50 PM
In a surprising election-year gambit, Alaska Sen. Lisa Murkowski has gutted legislation with strong bipartisan support that would protect the U.S. power grid from solar flares and Electromagnetic Pulse (EMP) weapons, to benefit a “clean” energy bill backed by Senate Democrats.
The original bill, known as the GRID Act, authorized the federal government to take emergency measures to protect some 300 giant power transformers around the country. It passed the House of Representatives by a unanimous voice vote in August, an unusual show of bipartisan support in this Congress.
But when it went to the Senate, the bill was gutted of the measures to protect the power grid from EMP attack by Murkowski and committee chairman Jeff Bingamon, D-N.M., while other portions of the bill were added to her own energy bill, S. 1462, the American Clean Energy Act of 2009.
“Sen. Murkowski stripped H.R. 5026 of the main elements designed to protect our infrastructure and did not add them to her bill,” said Andrea Lafferty, executive director of the Traditional Values Coalition.
An aide to Murkowski said that Murkowski voted for stripping out the EMP provisions of the bill on practical, not political, grounds.”
So obviously Sen. Murkowski believed it was more “practical” to put clean energy concerns above the lives of 90% of the American people; that’s the percentage of the U.S. population that has been calculated would be dead 12 to 18 months after an EMP attack on our country.
This is why we need to do some major, serious house/swamp cleaning in our government/Senate/Congress!!
5 years ago
Reply to
Merlinever
Traitor lady. All Demoncraps know about this problem but won’t do a thing about it. They don’t like America and enjoy anything that will hinder it.
They are deluded people and should never be in positions of power. These are the WRONG people to call your Congogressmen.
5 years ago
Reply to
Merlinever
THANK YOU for the FACTS.
It appears most who frequent this site (as I read their posts) were unaware-and many in denial-about the truth concerning America’s vulnerability to an EMP attack.
5 years ago
Reply to
Merlinever
The fact that it isn’t speaks volumes to the dire, depraved and decrepit state of our Union.
5 years ago
Reply to
Merlinever
There was a video on this very thing interviewing the head of the committee, a very qualified scientist on EMP’s, and our grid system in this country., He said that they had not been contacted or visited one time during the Obama administration. Scary interview, thanks for the info Merlinever.
5 years ago
I agree the EMP issue and Islamic terrorism should take the highest priority. Global Warming (GW) is real too but it should take a lower priority, people are also switching to electric cars and possibly hydrogen in the future.
So if we get off oil/gas, then we stop making our Muslim enemies filthy rich, while solving the global warming problem at the same time.
Do keep in mind the only people that are claiming GW is not real are conspiracy nuts and oil-gas lobby propagandists. NASA, NOAA, 64,000 Climate Scientists (about 99% of them) have reached a consensus that it is happening.
When they claimed CFCs were putting holes in the Ozone layer where were the deniers and skeptics then? If we believed Scientists over CFCs, why doubt their expertise on Climate change caused by dumping billions of tons of CO2 into the air every year?
Don’t get me wrong, I oppose any schemes to rip-off consumers (like carbon tax), but we can’t deny facts and reality-we just need to come up with sensible solutions. Back to my first point, GW isn’t a critical issue yet-we have bigger fish to fry first.
5 years ago
Reply to
Ban Islam
Glow bull warming is NOT real. It’s another money grab to redistribute.
Both Oxygen and Carbon Dioxide are gases found in Earth’s atmosphere
•Both are essential to life as we know it
•These gases cycle from plants to animals and back again
If people are a problem, WHY are we taking in REFUGEES and countless illegals and immigrants?
Wouldn’t we want to reduce that to go along with the global warming farce? Liberals are no longer consistent with logic anymore! Only God controls the weather and it runs in cycles. There is NO CRISIS!
Memo To Congress: French Riots Show Why U.S. Carbon Tax Should Be A Non-Starter
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Literally thousands of engineers, scientists, academics and Nobel Prize winners have criticized the flawed science behind the theory that we inevitably face disastrous over-heating of the planet.
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“But fossil fuels are a blessing, not a curse. They are in large part responsible for the record growth in the global economy in the past two centuries and especially over the last 18 years, helping to pull literally hundreds of millions of once-destitute people out of poverty.”
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https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/french-riots-climate-eu-leftists/
5 years ago
Reply to
felix1999
Thank you for speaking up, on that pervasive and pernicious hoax being perpetrated by globalists who seek to control the nations, before I did.
5 years ago
Reply to
WM1
Speaking up isn’t hard, actually discrediting the Climate Scientists data is next to impossible and I have yet to see any of you Deniers and Conspiracy nuts actually do that.
5 years ago
Reply to
Ban Islam
“…actually discrediting the Climate Scientists data is next to impossible…”
Really?
Well, unless you can prove you’re an EXPERT on the subject here’s the latest summation of those who are-who cannot possibly be considered ‘deniers and conspiracy nuts.’
Read it and weep that you fell for the lie, ‘hook line and sinker.’ Hoodwinked and bamboozled to the max!
5 years ago
Reply to
WM1
LOL, I’m waiting for you to cite an actual Climate Scientist, not a paid hack whose been exposed as like “Dr Harper” who is only a physicist, that’s not his field of expertise.
And who the hell are those weirdly named organizations nobody ever heard of and with no mention of any actual scientists being a part of their organization?
https://www.heartland.org/about-us/
They’re simply a right wing “think-tank” disseminaning bullshit, lies and propaganda against NASA, NOAA and legit science organizations.
So basically all you’ve done is regurgitate the same conspiracy/propaganda bs we’ve seen by Climate Deniers for ages.
There are idiots who think we didn’t land on the moon or believe the Earth is flat, you do realize that is the camp all of you Climate Change Deniers belong to right?
5 years ago
Reply to
Ban Islam
Sir, you have your beliefs and sources and I have mine. You’ll never change mine and I won’t change yours. So get over it!
5 years ago
Reply to
WM1
Oh now it’s just “beliefs”? You came roaring in pretending the scientific facts were on your side. Now that I’ve proven you laughably wrong you’re changing the goal-posts. lol
No my friend, NASA and 64,000 Climate Scientists are right and you and the fools in the oil/gas lobby and the fringe loons who deny Science are wrong, it’s as simple as that.
It isn’t a “belief” that the Earth is heating up, it’s backed by mountains of evidence. If you don’t “believe” in Science than prove me wrong, let’s see you defy the law of Gravity.
5 years ago
Reply to
Ban Islam
NASA/NOAA falsifies data.
There are no ’64k’ climate scientists. Not sure where you got that stat from, but it likely is a social justice stat cobbled together to make a better sound bite.
‘fringe loons who deny Science’ … is not an argument.
An ‘argument’ goes something like this: CO2 absorbs less than 5% of the IR spectrum, and less than 100% of the frequencies absorbed. The lack of IR opacity is well known to the IPCC, which is why their reports depend heavily on a process called ‘water-forcing’ which is a multiplier (a hedonic calculation) to multiply the effect of CO2 by transferring the alleged absorption factor to water. This could make sense because water can uptake the enthalpy of the energy absorbed by the CO2, but it depends upon an as yet unproven step of transferring captured energy from the CO2 fraction of the atmosphere to the water vapor fraction. …
I don’t think you’re ready to take that argument apart.
5 years ago
Reply to
Ban Islam
In other words, you do not have sufficient understanding of the science to make your own assessment of the data.
Judging data by the authority of the author is a weak argument.
And dismissing scientists based on alleged conflict of interest is hypocritically when you accept data from scientists who have overt and obvious and irrefutable conflicts.
None of the government or university scientists can speak to this issue without risking total personal destruction – and meanwhile they are offered grants and perks far greater than anything available to the ‘denier’ side.
5 years ago
Reply to
Ban Islam
It’s rather easy to discredit the “Climate Scientists” data.
1. Beginning with the temperature proxy data from the Greenland ice cores. These cores confirm that the planet went through a mini-ice age, which ended approximately 1850. We have been warming since then despite the fact that significant anthropogenic CO2 levels have only begun to rise since 1960.
2. The same data shows that previous warming periods were warmer than current times. The medieval warming period was warmer than now. Grapes were grown in Greenland by Viking colonists during that period. The Roman warming was positively balmy – allowing grapes to be sown in Sweden. But all that pales compared to the Holocene climate optimum.
3. CO2 levels have been higher in the past. Albeit they have been low during the current ice age, CO2 levels were higher long ago. This trend correlates with warmth, but it also correlates with a strong biosphere with strong plant and animal fauna.
4. Temperature swings in the ice corp data are much greater than anything we have experienced. And much faster. And the swings do not follow swings in CO2. Rather CO2 rises when temperature rises and falls with falling temperature.
5. The climate has been cooling for the last 10k+ years since the Younger Dryas ended, but with long leisurely warming swings during the longer cooling trend. We are currently entering a short-term cooling in a longer warming in this long-term cooling trend.
It is likely nothing affects these trends save the Sun, volcanism, and extraterrestrial events such as coronal mass ejections or comet strikes.
Just these five points falsifies all of the assertions made by the IPCC climate alarmists.
5 years ago
Reply to
felix1999
If you want to learn about climate change, go to reputable scientific sources like NASA, not conspiracy loon sites on the net. While plants do absorb some CO2, there aren’t enough to absorb it all.
By burning fossil fuels, we’re dumping CO2 into the atmosphere causing a greenhouse effect. If you want to prove that NASA, NOAA and 64,000 Climate Scientists are lying, then you need to discredit their data.
Posting childish cartoons with no scientific backing would get you laughed out of an conference of scientists who study this for a living. How we solve the issue is another matter but you can no more denying the scientific fact of Climate Change than you could Gravity.
https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/
https://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php
5 years ago
Reply to
Ban Islam
NASA is not a reputable source – and it has not been in decades.
Carter and the Demokkkrats threatened to destroy NASA – for the crimes of making America look good, exposing the success of Western Civilization for all to see, and defeating the Soviet enterprise in a race the evil Whitey was supposed to lose.
NASA ‘wisely’ chose to kow-tow to the ‘party’ and started sucking up. This did not work at the time, and they would have been scaled back, but for the support of the military. This deal led directly to the Challenger accident, but it kept the agency alive long enough to attenuate its relationship with the Moon program.
Global Warmunism and Ozone layer depletion became flagship programs under Bush 41, but these had taken years of fake science to develop.
5 years ago
Reply to
felix1999
Well put but, you’ll never convince the lead-plated, Manchurian candidates like “Banislam.” They are simply too far gone to ever reason with.
5 years ago
Reply to
Ban Islam
Why wouldn’t we believe scientist’s (why did you capitalize that word?) expertise on climate change? The nation of Palau was to be totally submerged, by the year 2001 and the sea level has actually dropped. The polar ice caps were to be gone by now, and they have grown. When theorist after theorist is wrong, wrong, wrong … it takes a special kind of stupid to still believe them.
Your idea of creating secular societies where moslem societies now exist … What have you been smoking?
5 years ago
Reply to
Achmed Mohandjob
For emphasis, obviously and to denote them as a group/category. Some people don’t seem to realize it is an actual field of science and they’re the experts, not some anons on the internet.
Speaking of someone needing grammar lessons, why did you add an apostrophe when you’re referring to the expertise of scientists? You’re also missing a definite article “the.”
Well you seem to be that special kind of stupid who’d believe climate scientists would make such a claim that we’d all be under water right now. Obviously these absurd straw man fallacies are invented by the Climate Deniers themselves.
Get a real education on Climate Change by researching my links in the post above rather than be a stooge of the Oil/Gas lobby.
Do you have your head up your ass? You are living in a Secular-Democracy right now. The US Constitution is a Secular document, not religious. It’s sad that Christards have to be constantly reminded we don’t live in a Theocracy.
It is Secularism that allowed us to advance and enjoy the freedoms that we do. Don’t forget a few short centuries ago the parties of God were slaughtering each other over whose imaginary friend is real.
My point is that Secular-Democracies are best for the world and Islamic states should be converted back into them, before they were conquered by Islam.
5 years ago
Reply to
Ban Islam
Why would I use an apostrophe, in “scientist’s”? That, little one, is due to “expertise” following “scientist’s”. An apostrophe, in that instance shows possession, as in the expertise belonging to that “scientist”. Now, that you have shown your exceedingly poor level of education, with special emphasis of the printed word, you have shown all that needs to be seen.
Now, little one, continue to HUMILIATE yourself. You, most assuredly, ARE (special emphasis added) a special kind of stupid.
5 years ago
Reply to
Achmed Mohandjob
LOL, looks like I’m going to have to educate you on the proper use of grammar Achmed as well as Climate Change.
Firstly you incorrectly used the apostrophe after the word “scientist” which would denote a singular (one scientist’s knowledge/expertise) when you were actually referring to a group of scientists (plural).
Now the appropriate place was to put the apostrophe after the plural noun like this: scientists’ (to denote possession).
However it is not necessary to use an apostrophe after plural nouns, hence my questioning of you using it at all, check the rules on grammar, you’ll see I’m right on this:
https://grammar.yourdictionary.com/punctuation/apostrophe-rules.html
Enjoy that egg on your face.
I destroyed you on your argument on Secularism so what other subject would you like me to own/embarrass you on?
It’s ironic and hilarious you’d call other people ‘stupid’ while getting your ass kicked on every point you’ve raised thus far. Keep going Skippy I’m entertained.
5 years ago
Reply to
Ban Islam
Little one, I did not use “the” preceding “scientist’s”. To that, I readily admit. To show possession, it is necessary to use an apostrophe (‘), even with the plural. You are only furthering your display of an exceedingly low level of education. Now, be a good little girl and cease ATTEMPTING (special emphasis added) to address your social and intellectual betters. However, I must admit, you are SO much fun to laugh AT, while you go about displaying your “special kind of stupid”.
What argument did I set out regarding secularism? I made reference to not being able to convert a moslem society into a secular society. You truly should seek out competent instruction in reading comprehension, in order to avoid being “owned” and having your “ass kicked” time, after time, after time. You poor little thing. I truly pity you.
On to your sheer idiocy on climate change, I stated the fact that climate “scientists” had Palau totally underwater, years ago. I have acquaintances in Palau with whom I still keep contact. They ain’t underwater, little one.
5 years ago
Reply to
Achmed Mohandjob
What a dunce, you admit I was right on one of the grammar points I raised but not the other. As I already demonstrated even using proof from a site on grammar rules an apostrophe isn’t necessary when using plural nouns, also you put it in the wrong place, it comes at the end of the word “scientists.”
Seriously you need to go back to grammar school if you can’t even understand the basic rules.
Then this moron implies I’m the one who needs an education. *rolls eyes* If you weren’t so stupid you’d be able to come up with more imaginative insults like I have, but the limits of your knowledge are very self-evident.
Anyone with an IQ slightly above your lowly level will see you lost badly in this debate, I’m done for now. Buh-bye.
5 years ago
Reply to
Ban Islam
There you go, HUMILIATING yourself again, little one. You dealt with an apostrophe (‘), which is punctuation. The main difference between grammar and punctuation is that grammar is the study of the way sentences are constructed in a language while punctuation is the practice of using established symbols in order to separate elements and clarify the meaning of a text.
Little one, your education is SO lacking that you don’t even know the difference. Now, once again, I urge you to be a good little girl and cease ATTEMPTING (special emphasis added) to address your social and intellectual betters.
That is, unless you enjoy being “owned” and having your “ass kicked”.
5 years ago
Reply to
Achmed Mohandjob
You can beat your chest all you want and pretend you won the debate, but any smart person who has read it will know you were rope-a-doped. Keep crying schnookums.
5 years ago
Reply to
Ban Islam
You, little one, were OWNED. However, for something that does not know the difference between grammar and punctuation, that is only to be expected. You, most assuredly, are a special kind of stupid.
5 years ago
Reply to
Ban Islam
The Founders knew that our ‘secular’ republic would last as long as people were responsible and having a strong sense of morality, which comes only from religion.
5 years ago
Reply to
Ban Islam
Sorry but, the “only people that are claiming GW is not real” are NOT just ‘conspiracy nuts and oil-gas lobby propagandists. Many scientists, have come out stating it is a hoax. The fact that you are REQUIRED to believe it, is PROOF it is all manufactured. And just how are you supposed to change the climate. That’s right, with chemtrails. The people who are most concerned about “climate change” should be shouting from the streets about the daily chemical spraying from planes that goes on over the skies of the U.S. and the world. But, that ‘doesn’t exist,’ global warming does, right?
5 years ago
Reply to
santashandler
So you think denying real scientists evidence that man-caused Climate Change is happening makes you some sort of intellectual rebel? A real trailblazer in academia? LOL
My friend if you want to discredit the Climate Scientists, you need to prove their evidence is invalid. 64,000 Climate Scientists all agree man-made Global Warming is real and barely a handful disagree. Those deniers are in the pockets of the oil/gas lobby.
If 99% of Climate Scientists stated GW is a hoax you’d all be crowing about how the science is on your side. Instead you all decide to adopt the lunatic position of denying scientific facts. You only make yourselves look like a bunch of idiots.
I’m sure most of you probably failed basic science classes but now you think you’re on the same footing as climate scientists because you can share your opinion on the internet. Read my posts above and the sources, all your points have been already debunked.
5 years ago
Reply to
Ban Islam
Now, now little one. Haven’t you learned the difference between grammar and punctuation by now? You truly are a special kind of stupid.
5 years ago
Reply to
Ban Islam
You obviously have read NOTHING but the skewed opinions of “scientists” who are bought and paid for by the green industry who would have us all on bicycles if they had their way. These are the same idiots who claim cow farts are contributing to global warming. They knew they were wrong when they went with Global Warming, because the data proved they were so overwhelmingly wrong, so they had to go with a much more palatable gimmick to sell. Now, it’s “Climate Change.” Hmm. Again, if you are REQUIRED to believe without even questioning, as the case here, anyone with a modicum of objectivity can see something is wrong. You obviously lost all your objectivity a long time ago. Cheers!
5 years ago
Reply to
Achmed Mohandjob
I’m a man for the record. But I know you’d prefer to assume I’m a female so you don’t feel so afraid and intimidated by me.
I understand schnookums, whatever soothes that fragile ego of yours.
5 years ago
Reply to
Ban Islam
When you reach a third grade, primary school, level of education and know the difference between grammar and punctuation, come back and let’s continue the conversation, little one. Yet, I must admit that you are SO much fun to laugh AT, as you humiliate yourself.
5 years ago
Reply to
santashandler
Bravo, lots of salty rhetoric but where is your evidence disproving NASA?
Oh right you have none because you’re a tool of the oil/gas lobby and the tin-foil hat climate deniers on the internet.
5 years ago
Reply to
Ban Islam
I could give you a few books to read but, what for. You’re too far gone to be objective.
And “tool of the oil/gas lobby.” Yeah, sure. So, I’m guessing you don’t drive a car, use electricity, etc. Because oil is SOO evil, right? Get off your high horse. You dont have a clue on what you’re talking about
5 years ago
Reply to
Ban Islam
Electric cars will not scale – and will burn more fuel in the end than fossil fuel vehicles. Reducing personal vehicle fuel consumption depends on energy recovery technology and combined cycle technology. It would also help to move to natural gas.
Ozone layer ‘deniers’ did exist. They were just deplatformed, demonetized, and erased just like conservatives are being erased from the net today. It was much easier to do back then when most fools did not realize the enemedia was already a wholly owned subsidiary of the Left.
Anthropogenic Global Warming is a ‘hoax’ because most of us are too polite to call it what it is. Actually it’s a malicious lie being sold to the ignorant sheeple to promote a global socialist agenda. You would know this if you bothered to read the ‘solutions’ of which the only solution offered is global socialism. That’s a clue. As for the ‘science,’ there isn’t any.
5 years ago
Our enemies study us as much as we study them, including our vulnerabilities. So you can bet that Kim Jong Un and the Muslim world would love to nuke/EMP us if they could.
So it’s better we talk about it and safeguard ourselves before those wackos attack us.
5 years ago
Reply to
Ban Islam
It’s not a matter of ‘if’ but ‘when.’ And our ‘leaders’ know it. They’ve already prepared and continue to leave the rest of us vulnerable by failing to harden our infrastructure-when it could have been done for only 2 billion dollars.
5 years ago
it`s inevitable. our “leaders” have been telling our enemies how to take us out , for years. We`ve even provided the cash for our enemies to develop the weapons needed. Those “leaders” should be held accountable, but probably never will be. what surprises me is that anyone would be surprised by this. so,brothers&sisters,we have 2,maybe3 choices. prepare for life without electronics,and quietly stock food/water/clothing,etc. and be extremely discreet about it.you can&will be killed for a slice of bread,a drink of clean water,etc. .stock for ever term, medicines,hygiene products.don`t waste money on what nature has to offer,just go get what you need discreetly. remember,the national parks cannot harbor all who try to hide there. don`t imagine to be the only one trying to get there. i`d avoid that panic.
5 years ago
The bigger danger is from the moslem 5 th column already inplace throughout
America . There are numerous islamic training camps where terror acts are being planned. Attacks on power line towers are very easy to do. Attacks on the rail system have already been experimented with , Airlines are always vulnerable and imagine if a moslim gas station manager, upon command places some LSD in the morning coffee. Its the end of the highway system.
With so many moslems now in our government from Senators to judges to beat cops all who wish to bring America under sharia we are in grave danger and unless we see that enemy agent Barak obama at the end of a rope your children will be moslems kowtowing to sharia!
5 years ago
Yes there is a generation that has no idea to do anything to survive without modern conviencies. It will be ugly to say the least. The ones that are ready will have their hands full trying to protect what they have. Trying to educate others during that time will have minimal effect. Yes the U.N. depopulation agenda will take effect.
5 years ago
This is not new news. Our enemies (Russia, China, Iran and North Korea) have been planning such an attack (EMP) for decades.
Here’s the latest.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/north-korea-reveals-nuclear-emp-attack-plans
5 years ago
Reply to
WM1
Again…Eventually launching an EMP attack against the United States was, and remains, THEIR idea from the outset. Not ours.
5 years ago
Reply to
WM1
Pay attention? Apparently you’re the one who hasn’t been ‘paying attention’ to this insidious threat for decades! Now you know!
5 years ago
Should it ever happen it will be bad. Good chance China or Russia will invade.
5 years ago
I must dismiss Pamela’s comment that this “scenario is extremely unlikely…” as wishful thinking and contradictory to the premise and the call for immediate action. It would be nice to think the USA does not have enemies that would love to destroy our country and people, but in fact there are many countries where there is widespread support for bloody action. History is replete with war, aggression, rape, genocide, and atrocities, from the earliest times to the very present. Our Christian values are not shared in the Muslim or socialist/communist spheres or among the many dictatorships of the world. If you can imagine something like this, it is a warning.
5 years ago
Hey Mark:
I agree with you that it is more likely than not. Pamela just does not understand Christian end-time theology and the fact that the US is nowhere to be found in last days Scripture, although every other major Empire in history is clearly described, in much detail. No U.S.A., no mention of the most powerful nation ever in world history, leads many theologians to believe that the US is going down. The EMP is only one way that destruction can come. The Rapture is another. Imagine some (guessing) 30 million of America’s best taxpayers disappear. Poof. Gone. Hmmmmmm. How about Mr. Trump declaring Martial Law ( I think there is a very high probability as Military trials are the ONLY way that he can drain the swamp by avoiding all of Obama’s lawyers and judges in the civil system. (That will also most likely bring on civil war). Yellowstone (or many others) could blow it’s top.
There are a few more but I will let you use your imagination. All of these events are high potential as God continues His final act that He began on Dec. 6, 2017. (Guess what happened on that day). 🙂
Maranatha, come Lord !!!!!!!!!!……..<><
Rev. Roy..........><>
5 years ago
It’s so strange. All this talk about what ‘they’ can do to ‘us’ (meaning, the USA). What ‘they’ can do to ‘us’, we can do to them 1,000 times over, pretty much at the same time. At any rate, it won’t matter. Let’s talk about the madness of the New Dark Age that began around the turn of the 20th century, and in which we are living now.
5 years ago
Yes and no. It’s entirely possible such a result could happen. But it is also unnecessary. As with the Y2K ‘crisis’ – the effect of an EMP on electronics is overrated. Yes, my consumer electronic junk may be fried – and the transformers powering my home – built long ago and far away before the Libtards had their jackboot on every decision made by every engineer in the country – might blow up if it is within range of an attack …
But much of the grid can be hardened. Plus the grid is supposed to be blocked off to stop surges from sweeping across the grid. Emergency procedures are in place to take down loads to prevent damage to the grid.
Now – I am not naive, and I have no way to know that the necessary steps have been/are being/ or will be/ taken to harden the grid. But if the system goes down … it’s not because we do not know how to prevent it.
As with so many ‘man-made’ disasters, this one, if it happens, will be the consequence of deliberate and intentional decisions to leave the grid vulnerable to such an attack.
5 years ago
That will signify the “End of The Beginning”, with the Democrats tearing at each other.
Hopefully it will be the self sufficient and reasonable left/
5 years ago
If you haven’t thought about this, try reading “One Second After”, by William Forschen. He has been trying to get Congress to fix our grid, since, at least 2002. His novel, about surviving after “The Day”, will give you an interesting perspective of life without power. Unfortunately, “The 9/11 Report” came out, the same day, that a paper he wrote to Congress did. His paper was buried. The US government wastes more money, in a day, than would be required to harden our grid. The self serving scumbags in Washington are selling us out. They’ll have a place to hole up.
And, yes, Babylon will fall.
5 years ago
The sun could do the same thing. That’s called a “Carrington Event.” A few years ago a massive corona mass ejection missed the earth by just one week on the earth’s orbit.
