Green Beret Charged with PREMEDITATED MURDER of Taliban Bomb Maker

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This is a travesty. It’s the kind of thing that should have ended when Barack Hussein Obama left the White House. Major Golsteyn didn’t commit premeditated murder. He killed a Taliban bomb-maker in the middle of a war, because he was afraid that this jihadi, who had built a bomb that killed two Marines, would kill the tribal leader who had disclosed his identity to Golsteyn. In other words, Golsteyn acted in order to protect our military personnel and our allies. And for that he is being persecuted and may even be executed. Major Golsteyn should be given a full pardon and freed immediately. This is madness. Clearly the culture of our military is still deeply corrupt at high levels, and is another swamp that needs to be drained.

“Green Beret Charged With Alleged Murder Of Taliban Bomb Maker,” by Grace Carr, Daily Caller News Foundation, December 13, 2018 (thanks to Todd):

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The U.S. Army charged a Fort Bragg Green Beret with allegedly murdering a man who he suspected was a bomb maker for the Taliban.

Special Forces Maj. Matthew Golsteyn was charged with allegedly shooting and killing the suspected bomb maker in 2010, Task and Purpose reported Thursday. He was deployed with the 3rd Special Forces Group at the time of the alleged incident, according to Army Times.

Golsteyn has been charged with premeditated murder and could face the death penalty, Golsteyn’s attorney, Phillip Stackhouse, told the Times.

“Maj. Golsteyn is being charged with the murder of an Afghan male during his 2010 deployment to Afghanistan,” U.S. Army Special Operations Command spokesman Lt. Col. Loren Bymer told Task and Purpose Thursday.

Golsteyn is a “humble servant-leader who saved countless lives, both American and Afghan, and has been recognized repeatedly for his valorous actions,” Stackhouse said of his client, the Times reported.

The Army revoked Golsteyn’s Silver Star in February 2015, pending an investigation into whether he killed the alleged Taliban bomb maker while serving in Afghanistan, according to The Fayetteville Observer.

The Army investigated the alleged incident but initially found no evidence proving Golsteyn had committed a crime. He was placed on “excess leave” during the investigation, and reinstated for active duty service after a board of inquiry June 2015 recommendation, Task and Purpose reported.

The investigation was reopened after Golsteyn admitting he killed the man during an October 2016 interview with Fox News’s Bret Baier.

Golsteyn said he killed the suspected Taliban operative because he was afraid the man would kill the tribal leader who had disclosed his identity to Golsteyn, Task and Purpose reported. The man had allegedly built a bomb that killed two Marines, Army Times reported….

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Suresh
Suresh
5 years ago

They are aided by the dumb , ignorant Left/Liberal loons coming out of colleges/schools run by pro-jihadi left/liberal loons

And by the time they realise their stupidity they get assaulted , gang raped or murdered like this couple its too late for them https://tinyurl.com/yahupccy

Problem is they enable evil while not able to see evil thanks to pro-jihadi left/liberal indoctrination in schools/colleges where real history of islam and America is no longer taught.

Liatris Spicata
Liatris Spicata
5 years ago

You can’t fight wars with Marquis de Queensbury rules.

Colonel Richard Meinertzhagen, CBE, as well as estimable ornithologist (but hey, there is some dirt about him if ya really wanna know- you can look it up) reportedly had a private audience with Hitler and Ribbentrop in 1939. He reportedly had a revolver in his pocket which he considered using, but didn’t, as it would have been unsportsmanlike.

Later, I am certain Minertzhagen regretted that decision, all the more so as his own son was killed in the war. One of history’s great missed opportunities- no Hitler: no WWII, no enslavement of Eastern Europe, and no Holocaust.

Had he killed Hitler, even in hindsight the same type of yammerheads calling for Major Golsteyn s prosecution would have wanted Minertzhagen’s head (in the unlikely event the Germans’ didn’t kill him after the assassination).

This officer very likely saved the lives of American soldiers and probably the lives of Afghan civilians. This is clearly a case where, even if he violated the rules of engagement, prosecution should not go forward. Assuming Pamela has given an accurate description of the facts, I hope Trump will kill this case or, if he cannot, issue an immediate full pardon if Golsteyn is found guilty. I am certain President Hillary would not have done so.

Jay Wizzy
Jay Wizzy
5 years ago

There’s too much superficiality & inconsistency in this administration
– The incarceration of soldiers for responsibility taken
– The boycotting of ethical actors
– The empowering of Muhammad-glorifying actors like James Mattis who wants to sell F-35 fighter jets to ISIS-arming Muhammadist tyranny Turkey
– The empowering of censoring pro-Muhammadist social media monopoles & media outlets
– African slaves still enslaved from Saudi Arabia to Mauritania
– Clitodirectomy not prosecuted
– Mosque-vandalizm prosecuted with excessive 15 years prison plus 15 years probation afterwards, while anti-Jewish crimes are being waved off & not prosecuted as hate-crimes
– Negligience in ecological issues
– No accountability of former administration. Cash-transfers to Iran & promotion of Boko Haram as having legitimate concerns & other crimes in Egypt & Syria are not being prosecuted
What if Trump is a distraction? We need consistency & accountability for justice, human rights, ecology, truth, love, friendliness, English, global imperialism, health -see DrAxe.com, cultivation of ecological best quality basics, support for self-realization, freedom from religion & ban on Muhammadism.
& it’s strange that some 50 years after the end of world-war 2 a German American is being elected as president of the United States.

felix1999
felix1999
5 years ago
Reply to  Jay Wizzy

These are OBAMA people doing this.
Obama HATES our military and this lives on through Obama hold overs

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/ddoo8.jpg

mztore
mztore
5 years ago
Reply to  felix1999

These people should have been fired or forced to resign/retire, the minute Trump took office. Just like odamit did with the men whose places they took because they are not afraid to ‘fire’ on American people if told to.

felix1999
felix1999
5 years ago

OUTRAGEOUS!
You are to KILL the enemy in war.

Army revokes Silver Star award for Green Beret officer, citing investigation
By Dan Lamothe
February 4, 2015

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He received the Silver Star for valor for his actions during a 2011 ceremony at Fort Bragg, N.C. Top Army officials later approved him for an upgrade to the prestigious Distinguished Service Cross, second only to the Medal of Honor in recognizing combat heroism by U.S. soldiers.

In a rare reversal, however, Golsteyn, now a major, no longer has either award. The officer, a former member of the 3rd Special Forces Group and graduate of the U.S. Military Academy at West Point, N.Y., was later investigated for an undisclosed violation of the military’s rules of engagement in combat for killing a known enemy fighter and bomb maker, according to officials familiar with the case. The investigation closed last year without Golsteyn’s being charged with a crime, but Army Secretary John M. McHugh decided not only to deny Golsteyn the Distinguished Service Cross, but also to revoke his Silver Star.

McHugh cited a provision in Army regulations that if facts become known that would have prevented the awarding of a medal, the award can be revoked. The Silver Star was approved by a top commander in Afghanistan — Army Gen. David M. Rodriguez, then the three-star deputy commander of U.S. Forces in Afghanistan — according to Golsteyn’s lawyer, Phil Stackhouse.

“I firmly believe that had he known about the derogatory information that was [found] by the aforementioned investigation, he would have never awarded Major Golsteyn the Silver Star,” McHugh said in a Nov. 17 letter to Rep. Duncan D. Hunter (R.-Calif.), who has advocated on Golsteyn’s behalf. “Accordingly, I have decided to revoke the interim Silver Star that Major Golsteyn received for this action.”

The decision is still shrouded in mystery because of the secretive nature of the Army’s investigation into Golsteyn, who did extensive work with U.S. Marines in and around Marja in Helmand province. An online Defense Department database of top valor awards still included Golsteyn’s Silver Star as of Wednesday afternoon and said the information was current as of Jan. 30.

A spokesman for McHugh’s office, Lt. Col. Chris Kasker, declined to comment Wednesday, citing the administrative nature of the decision. But he released details of Golsteyn’s service record that show he no longer has a Silver Star and is is not in Special Forces anymore. The major earned a Bronze Star and Army Commendation medal with “V” devices for heroism in earlier actions, Kasker said. Golsteyn joined the Army in 2002.

Hunter, a former Marine officer and veteran of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, alleged in the Daily Beast on Tuesday that the Army “went to extraordinary lengths to investigate Golsteyn,” threatening his fellow soldiers and offering them immunity. In a Dec. 4 letter to Army Human Resources Command, Hunter said the revocation appears to be “retaliatory and vindictive.”

“The Army has been unable to present substantive evidence while an overwhelming number of first-person accounts provided to Army investigators uphold Matt’s record as a top-level operator,” said Hunter’s letter, which the congressman’s office released to The Post.

Golsteyn’s lawyer said the investigation into the Army officer’s actions was launched in 2011, less than a year after he received the Silver Star. He remains assigned to Army Special Forces Command at Fort Bragg and is in the process of determining what to do with his future, Stackhouse said. The lawyer declined to elaborate on what the Army investigated.

“In the summer of 2014, we were certainly under the impression that everything was done and complete,” said Stackhouse. “The revocation of his valor awards came out of left field to us.”

The decision also raises the question of whether the military should strip troops of awards they have earned if they are found to have done something wrong later.

Golsteyn’s Silver Star came for actions on Feb. 20, 2010. He assembled his unit after his base had come under sniper fire from an insurgent wielding a Dragunov rifle, according to an Army narrative of his actions. He directed his troops to launch an assault across 700 meters of open fields, but an armored truck known as a Mine Resistant Ambush Protected (MRAP) vehicle sank into mud under gunfire after about 175 meters.

Under heavy machine-gun and sniper fire, Golsteyn ran about 150 meters to the trapped MRAP to retrieve a powerful 84mm Carl Gustav recoilless rifle, an anti-tank weapon. While moving under gunfire, he coordinated a medical evacuation for the wounded Afghan soldier and then opened fire with the Carl Gustav, said the Army narrative, which was obtained by The Post.

“Captain Golsteyn was alone running in the open through enemy gun fire that had over 80 men pinned down, and from the crow’s nest on top of [Forward Operating Base] McQueary, it looked like Captain Golsteyn was alone fighting 30 enemy fighters out in the poppy fields,” the award narrative said.

Enemy reinforcements continued to arrive on the battlefield, so Golsteyn organized airstrikes by both F/A-18 Hornet fighter jets and a Predator drone. No American or coalition troops were killed in the battle despite a barrage of enemy fire that lasted four hours, the narrative said.

Golsteyn has been critical of the Afghanistan mission in the past. In the 2011 Bing West book “The Wrong War: Grit, Strategy and the Way Out of Afghanistan,” he is quoted as saying that the Americans were considered insurgents in Afghanistan who were “selling a poor product called the Kabul government.”

West later wrote in a review of a book about another Special Forces soldier, Maj. Jim Gant, that the careers of Gant, Golsteyn and a third Green Beret, Dan McKone, were “terminated,” assessing that the Army failed them. West could not be reached for comment Wednesday.

Golsteyn wrote about his assignment in Afghanistan in a June 2014 academic paper for a class at Fayetteville State University that was published online. It covers his 2010 deployment and said that his unit — known as a Special Forces Operational Detachment Alpha, or A-Team — operated in multiple two- and three-man teams. Over time, local tribesmen grew to trust them, especially after three weeks of fighting, he added.

“We enjoyed repeated interactions with the local populace because we lived with them, fighting for them as well as alongside them,” Golsteyn wrote. “In a 60 day period, our medical clinic run by Green Berets with several Marine medics treated approximately 1,000 local Afghans. We executed multiple helicopter casualty evacuations for civilian victims of [improvised explosive devices] in addition to being the first responders to the scene in nearly every case.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2015/02/04/army-revokes-silver-star-award-for-green-beret-officer-citing-investigation/?utm_term=.08a317fdb03f

santashandler
santashandler
5 years ago
Reply to  felix1999

“Golsteyn has been critical of the Afghanistan mission in the past.” That’s what got him into trouble. He obviously pissed off the wrong people. Now, they have to destroy him for it.

Hans Wellington
Hans Wellington
5 years ago
Reply to  santashandler

Instead of destroying him he should be given a medal even though he killed one of the murderous comrades of Obama.

Bill Kay
Bill Kay
5 years ago
Reply to  santashandler

INJUSTICE runs rampant in the U.S. Army ! those perpetrating it should be K.O. prosecuted !

Sgtsnuffy
Sgtsnuffy
5 years ago
Reply to  felix1999

THAT HE WAS CHARGED UNDER THE OBAMA RULES OF ENGAGEMENT IS A TRAVESTY . HE DID WHAT HE WAS TRAINED TO DO AND KILLED THE ENEMY . THE OFFICERS PROSECUTING HIM SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF THEMSELVES AND ASHAMED OF EVEN EQUATING THEMSELVES AS SOLDIERS IN THE ARMY OF THE UNITED STATES .

volksnut
volksnut
5 years ago
Reply to  Sgtsnuffy

No they need to be purged – just as soetoro purged so many dedicated American Patriots thru his 8 years of subversion ..

WittyWeasel
WittyWeasel
5 years ago
Reply to  felix1999

But Lt. Calley and his band of animals are still footloose and fancy free after slaughtering 500+ unarmed Vietnamese peasants in four hours in 1968. Hey, but who cares? That’s old news, right ? Incidentally, there’s no statute of limitations on war crimes.

I served 11b20 in ’67, combat wounded and this atrocity still casts a dark, dark cloud over the U.S. military. Just think, these guys slaughtered 500+ people, . . . got a pass !. .. . .and I’ll bet everyone of them is collecting 100% disability for the PTSD they’re ” suffering ” as a result of their barbaric actions.

These scum are trash and tarnish the reputations of every troop who served HONORABLY in the military.

And, as far as I’m concerned, anyone who defends them is trash as well . . .

mztore
mztore
5 years ago
Reply to  felix1999

It is either a war or not. you kill the enemy in a war, not treat them with kid gloves. Politicians need to keep out of war stuff.

CharlieSeattle
CharlieSeattle
5 years ago
Reply to  felix1999

Another recruiting tool for the U AZZ Military.

Tom Validakis
Tom Validakis
5 years ago

Stop honouring terrorists, there will be war.

felix1999
felix1999
5 years ago

See why Obama HATED Flynn.
Obama did his best to purge the military of ALL who disagreed with him and HATED Flynn too.
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felix1999
felix1999
5 years ago

Obama, the MSM and the left at large LOVE Muslim terrorists. They will continue to go to great lengths to over up and protect Muslim terrorism. The Obama hold overs march on with his agenda. During WAR, you kill the enemy!
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Dave Glynn
Dave Glynn
5 years ago
Reply to  felix1999

You have to question the decision of the CIA in blowing the whistle on this hero. It makes me wonder what calibre of operative they are currently employing.

Dave Glynn
Dave Glynn
5 years ago
Reply to  felix1999

You have to question the decision of the CIA in blowing the whistle on this hero. It makes me wonder what calibre of operative they are currently employing in the service.

WM1
WM1
5 years ago
Reply to  felix1999

While the stench of Obama’s reign remains, this is on Trump’s watch! Mr. President, you’re a friend of our military-as you should be as Commander-in-Chief-not their enemy (like your predecessor).

For 8 long and tedious years our military suffered immensely. This insanity, however, is not on him. You are now in charge. FIX THIS!!

1984  George Orwellesque
1984 George Orwellesque
5 years ago
Reply to  felix1999

Protest with huge signs in front of every Army/ Navy/ Marines/ Air Force/ ROTC recruiting office; THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU JOIN TO FIGHT THE ENEMY. YOUR COUNTRY WILL FÙCK YOU AND WONT REWARD YOU.

Rocinante44
Rocinante44
5 years ago

his commanding officer, given his command by the muslim president, is doing this to this american warrior. i keep saying that trump needs to rid the military of all officers appointed by the muslim, every single one of them, as they are contaminated with the muslim virus. so this guy killed our enemy in a war to protect other americans from being murdered, and this is what he gets? do not let your sons and grandsons be foolish enough to join the american military, it’s just another arm of the democrat party, and one that will get them killed

robscottw
robscottw
5 years ago

Why did he open his mouth after he was initially cleared?

santashandler
santashandler
5 years ago

This is sickening! We send our special forces over to that sh**hole to do the bidding of the worthless suits in political office, but then when our troops do their jobs a little too well, they are punished for it. That’s what he was there for. Trump should do whatever he can to try and stop this madness from going forward. This is meant to further undermine the already low morale of our troops who serve overseas. Why would anyone want to go to a war zone and be put into a combat situation if they knew there was a strong likelihood they could be prosecuted for what they were sent there for in the first place.

Trevor Fortune
Trevor Fortune
5 years ago

So, how many Generals are going to be charged with premeditated murder as well then? After all, they order drone strikes on groups of enemy combatants and kill them in premeditated actions so how is that any different? At least the Green Beret guy had the guts to do it face to face, something I doubt many of those Generals would have the bottle to do.

Mohammed_Goldberg
Mohammed_Goldberg
5 years ago

Next, they will begin prosecuting snipers for premeditated murder…..

poetcomic1
poetcomic1
5 years ago

Don’t we have another hero languishing in jail from Afghanistan for the same kind of defense of his own men? Did Trump pardon him?

MAS
MAS
5 years ago

Remember the good old days, when our military was tasked with killing the enemy and breaking their stuff until they unconditionally surrender? Me either, born in the 50s…

Janet
Janet
5 years ago

I say give this soldier a medal for a job well done! He deserves the Silver Star not an investigation. WTH!

WittyWeasel
WittyWeasel
5 years ago

But Lt. Calley and his band of animals are still footloose and fancy free after slaughtering 500+ unarmed Vietnamese peasants in four hours in 1968. Hey, but who cares? That’s old news, right ? Incidentally, there’s no statute of limitations on war crimes.

I served 11b20 in ’67, combat wounded and this atrocity still casts a dark, dark cloud over the U.S. military. Just think, these guys slaughtered 500+ people, . . . got a pass !. . . . and I’ll bet everyone of them is collecting 100% disability for the PTSD they’re ” suffering ” as a result of their barbaric actions.

These scum are trash and tarnish the reputations of every troop who served HONORABLY in that war.

And, as far as I’m concerned, anyone who defends them is trash as well . . .

Alleged-Comment
Alleged-Comment
5 years ago

NO, let him GO! He’s a WAR HERO. Boosh sent him to WAR, not a peace party. Stop the BOOSH SH IT!

Dave Glynn
Dave Glynn
5 years ago

This same thing happened to a British SF soldier in Afghanistan. During a gunfight he put a mujahadeen combatant who was baby wounded but still free to use his hands’ out of his misery. The establishment and the judicial system wanted to lock him away for murder which carries a life sentence and it was only people power via the angry British public that saved him and thankfully he is now free.
I urge all Patriots to get behind this hero and save him from gross injustice.

Drew the Infidel
Drew the Infidel
5 years ago

This guy deserves some sort of commendation like a Bronze Star plus a hefty bonus check. I survived Vietnam where the rules of engagement favored the enemy as well.

And people were shocked at Lt. William Calley’s engineering the Mi Lai massacre?

Don’t get me started.

WM1
WM1
5 years ago

Thank you for your service. I know how outraged you must be if I, who never served, am as livid as I am about this travesty of injustice. This is a mockery of what our military, by definition, is commanded and trained to do: Kill the enemy!

Roma Mikhasev
Roma Mikhasev
5 years ago

GLORY TO THE HEROES!

harbidoll
harbidoll
5 years ago

Going public is something one does when one knows they are about to be charged! Hes not stupid, they released him once, perhaps double jeopardy can help?

Saddened and POed off
Saddened and POed off
5 years ago

I hope all of you who are defending Major Golsteyn here, are also contacting your Senators and Congresspeople to complain.

Carol
Carol
5 years ago

This guy deserves a MEDAL, not prosecution. The people prosecuting ought to be slammed out of the military and prosecutaed for treason.

volksnut
volksnut
5 years ago

We will feel the after effects of soetoros treason for a long long time to come…

Dave Glynn
Dave Glynn
5 years ago

Who side are the CIA on?

evangeline golding
evangeline golding
5 years ago
Reply to  Dave Glynn

The moslems, leftists and other assorted dreck.

Dave Glynn
Dave Glynn
5 years ago

Or in other words The Globalist.
The muzrats are too stupid to plan anything on such a grand scale themselves and are mere pawns of the globalist elite to make their global agenda a reality.
And with all the legislation that is now upon us via the UN and EU the end game has begun.

evangeline golding
evangeline golding
5 years ago
Reply to  Dave Glynn

Indeed it has.
Better dig out that hockey stick.

Critical Thinker
Critical Thinker
5 years ago
Reply to  Dave Glynn

The sooner we get rid of the Globalists and forge trade deals with countries outside the EU the better. No, hold on a minute, what I meant was…erm…

santashandler
santashandler
5 years ago
Reply to  Dave Glynn

Do you really want to know…..

Dan Knight
Dan Knight
5 years ago
Reply to  Dave Glynn

Their side.

Dave Glynn
Dave Glynn
5 years ago
Reply to  Dan Knight

Always seems they have their own agenda.

Dave from San Antonio
Dave from San Antonio
5 years ago

So…if you are in the military fighting a war…killing the enemy is now premeditated murder? I know that when I was in the military…when in combat, we were expected to plan a way to kill the enemy…in any manner we could. War has become too ‘politically correct’ with the politicians playing their little games which too often translate into the deaths of service members.

Dave Glynn
Dave Glynn
5 years ago

The virus of Political Correctness has rotted deep into every aspect of society.
Ridding ourselves of it will take a whole new style of cultural revolution.

Dave Glynn
Dave Glynn
5 years ago

With this soldier putting the muzrat bomber to the sword’ how many lives did he save through taking this decisive action?
Give the man a medal not a prison sentence!

Dave Glynn
Dave Glynn
5 years ago

The Breaker Morant syndrome is still with us.
How can wars be won when the establishment are nothing but cowardly traitors?

evangeline golding
evangeline golding
5 years ago

He killed a terrorist! Isn’t that part of his job description?
Dismiss any charges as false and baseless, immediately, and hang all the traitors who are involved in trying to destroy, literally, this honourable man.
Give him his freedom, his medals back, a big fat check, and a hero’s parade!

Michael Jacobs
Michael Jacobs
5 years ago

I have a feeling we are missing a big part of the story but I’m not interested enough in it to look further. Anyone else know more about the actual circumstances in which this soldier shot this terrorist? if the terrorist were already in custody, shooting him would be a war crime. If he had been captured and then released, what idiot was responsible for that? In any event, what makes us — the democratic, open, Constitution-governed USA — better than terrorist savages is that we HAVE a Constitution that PREVENTS our government from acting like savage terrorists. We can shoot enemies IN THE FIELD, or we can capture them and hold them in detention and/or TRY them for war crimes, but we can’t just take them out back and shoot tham. That’s the way they did things in Soviet Russia, and still the way they do things in places like Iran, and Saudi Arabia (a pox on BOTH their houses), and the Philippines. We are supposed to follow the RULE OF LAW. It’s what makes us BETTER than they are.

Israel already knows this. That’s why they prosecuted IDF soldier Elor Azaria a couple of years ago for shooting a supposedly pacified terrorist.. If the soldier’s OWN government does not prosecute him for a POSSIBLE step over the line, then the International Criminal Court might just decide his home country LACKS a sufficiently reliable legal system of due process and thus may decide to claim jurisdiction — which it can ONLY do if the home country drops the ball on prosecuting its own rogues.

Consider it a form of vaccination. And let’s not get too overly upset about the fate of the poor solider until we see what the verdict is. It sounds like he has competent legal counsel.

MuhamMUDTheFakeProphet
MuhamMUDTheFakeProphet
5 years ago
Reply to  Michael Jacobs

I had thought the IDF soldier, who shot an armed muslum terrorist, shot him again because he was afraid the terrorist might have bombs/grenades on his person. I wonder if you would be willing to go forward and arrest the muslum terrorist scumbag yourself? After all, he’s “unarmed” isn’t he?

Michael Jacobs
Michael Jacobs
5 years ago

Let me elaborate on that. I was one of those who _defended_ Azaria on social media given the ambiguities of his field situation, and the “better safe than sorry” ethos that of necessity may apply when dealing with active terrorists who MAY still present a threat. That should not be a crime — I agree, it is a soldier doing his duty.

I don’t know whether the facts in the Green Beret case are ambiguous in terms of potential _immediate_ threat and the soldier’s duty to kill the enemy while in combat, OR whether there was time to premeditate and attack an unarmed person by ambush etc. _after_ he had been released from custody. What would possibly make it murder is if he violated the particular rules of engagement laid down by his chain of command, OR violated the international laws of war — and I just don’t know all the facts to make that judgment.

But in either event, my point was that the act of beginning a legal proceeding against a suspect who MAY have violated the rules, is necessary, whatever the final outcome might be, because otherwise the brass is just “sweeping it under the rug” and that could lead to further, worse abuses — and could also lead to ICC intervention. The best protection against the UN court getting all up in our grill (for US or Israel or anyone else) is to have a REAL, serious INTERNAL investigation of any allegations of wrongdoing, by the soldier’s own command structure.

MuhamMUDTheFakeProphet
MuhamMUDTheFakeProphet
5 years ago
Reply to  Michael Jacobs

The ICC? LOL, yeah I trust them about as much as I trust the UN. Where were they on the genocide in Sudan? Busily taking islamic petrodollar bribes?

Michael Jacobs
Michael Jacobs
5 years ago

I’m afraid we are mis-communicating again. Where did you get the idea I LIKE the ICC? I thought I was crystal clear that it is something like a dread disease, to be avoided by anyone who values their life. My point was that if we (in the USA, or in Israel) DO NOT have our own, fair and just, internal due process to investigate ALLEGATIONS of war crimes committed by our personnel, we run the risk of having the “anti-imperialist” fanatics of the ICC make life difficult for our politicians and military leaders when they go abroad.

Apart from the fact that adhering to the rule of law is a good idea in and of itself, it is the only effective “vaccine” against an ICC infection. Got it? Because the only time the ICC can step in and claim jurisdiction is if their judges determine that the country whose alleged war criminals are being investigated, LACKS the basic due process of a fair system of justice and has no effective internal check against its officials committing such crimes. You know, like Zimbabwe or Iran or China or some banana republic.

And that’s the only reason why I raised the Azaria example. I don’t know if his facts parallel those of the US Green Beret charged with murder of a Taliban bomb-maker, but the PROCEDURAL considerations are exactly the same — mandating an internal military investigation and, if warranted, prosecution if there is ANY colorable interpretation of the facts that would lead to criminal liability for a war crime.

I do understand that this guy thought he was home free, then he got blindsided by a renewed investigation. Perhaps he should not have shot off his mouth in an interview on national TV about how he shot this Taliban sapper, and maybe none of this follow-up would have happened. Just a thought…

MuhamMUDTheFakeProphet
MuhamMUDTheFakeProphet
5 years ago

This reminds me of the IDF soldier who was incarcerated for shooting a muslum terrorist dead in Israel.

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