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“The reason and motive for the baker’s refusal were based on his sincere religious beliefs and convictions. The Court’s precedents make clear that the baker, in his capacity as the owner of a business serving the public, might have his right to the free exercise of religion limited by generally applicable laws,” Kennedy wrote.
Jihad is based on sincere religious beliefs and convictions. Sharia is based on sincere religious beliefs and convictions. Honor killing, clitordectomies (FGM), Jew-hatred, oppression, subjugation are based on his sincere religious beliefs and convictions
Supreme Court sides with Colorado baker who refused to make wedding cake for same-sex couple.
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The Supreme Court ruled Monday in favor of a Colorado baker who refused to make a wedding cake for a same-sex couple, in one of the most closely watched cases of the term.
In a 7-2 decision, the justices set aside a Colorado court ruling against the baker — while stopping short of deciding the broader issue of whether a business can refuse to serve gay and lesbian people. The opinion was penned by Justice Anthony Kennedy, who is often the swing justice in tight cases.
The narrow ruling here focused on what the court described as anti-religious bias on the Colorado Civil Rights Commission when it ruled against baker Jack Phillips.
“The Commission’s hostility was inconsistent with the First Amendment’s guarantee that our laws be applied in a manner that is neutral toward religion,” Kennedy wrote in his majority opinion.
Attorney Michael Farris, president of the Alliance Defending Freedom which represented the baker, told Fox News that Phillips is “ecstatic” at the decision.
Baker Jack Phillips had refused to bake a wedding cake for a gay couple. (Alliance Defending Freedom)
“Justice Kennedy has held that tolerance is a two-way street, and Jack Phillips was not tolerated by the Civil Rights Commission of Colorado,” he said.
The court said the broader issue, though, “must await further elaboration.”
“The reason and motive for the baker’s refusal were based on his sincere religious beliefs and convictions. The Court’s precedents make clear that the baker, in his capacity as the owner of a business serving the public, might have his right to the free exercise of religion limited by generally applicable laws,” Kennedy wrote. “Still, the delicate question of when the free exercise of his religion must yield to an otherwise valid exercise of state power needed to be determined in an adjudication in which religious hostility on the part of the State itself would not be a factor in the balance the State sought to reach.”
At issue was a July 2012 encounter. At the time, Charlie Craig and David Mullins of Denver visited Masterpiece Cakeshop to buy a custom-made wedding cake. Phillips refused his services when told it was for a same-sex couple. The state civil rights commission sanctioned Phillips after a formal complaint from the gay couple.
Mullins has described their case as symbolizing “the rights of gay people to receive equal service in business … about basic access to public life.”
But the Trump administration backed Phillips, who was represented in court by the Alliance Defending Freedom, a conservative Christian nonprofit. He had lost at every step in the legal appeals process, bringing the case down to the Supreme Court’s decision Monday.
Phillips has said he lost business and had to let employees go because of the controversy.
And he has maintained that it’s his choice: “It’s not about turning away these customers, it’s about doing a cake for an event — a religious sacred event — that conflicts with my conscience,” he said last year.
The court in December specifically examined whether applying Colorado’s public accommodations law to compel the local baker to create commercial “expression” violated his constitutionally protected Christian beliefs about marriage.
By wading again into the culture wars, the justices had to confront recent decisions on both gay rights and religious liberty: a 2015 landmark opinion legalizing same-sex marriage nationwide and a separate 2014 decision affirming the right of some companies to act on their owner’s faith by refusing to provide contraception to its workers.
The Trump administration agreed with Phillips’ legal claims to a large extent. Attorney General Jeff Sessions in October issued broad guidance to executive branch agencies, reiterating the government should respect religious freedom, which in the Justice Department’s eyes extends to people, businesses and organizations.
But civil rights groups were concerned the conservative majority on the court may be ready to peel back protections for groups with a history of enduring discrimination – and predicted that giving businesses the right to refuse service to certain customers would undermine non-discrimination laws and hurt minorities.
When the justices heard arguments in December, Kennedy was plainly bothered by certain comments by a commission member. The commissioner seemed “neither tolerant nor respectful of Mr. Phillips’ religious beliefs,” Kennedy said in December.
Liberal justices Stephen Breyer and Elena Kagan joined the conservative justices in the outcome. Kagan wrote separately to emphasize the limited ruling.
But Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Sonia Sotomayor dissented.
“I see no reason why the comments of one or two Commissioners should be taken to overcome Phillips’ refusal to sell a wedding cake to Craig and Mullins,” Ginsburg wrote.
Sarah Warbelow, legal director with the Human Rights Campaign, also stressed that the decision “is so narrow as to apply only to this particular baker.”
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99 Comments
5 years ago
they should have just bought a cake and put the toys on it themselves
5 years ago
i live in CO. the outright hatred of Christ and all things taught by Christ by the democat-muslim party, and its governor john hickenlooper, is shocking. hickenlooper’s hand-picked and so-called “civil rights commission” would have never pulled this stunt with a muslim baker, who would have also refused to bake a wedding cake for the two homos. the evil that passes for “tolerance” in this state is worse than CA in many ways
5 years ago
Reply to
Rocinante44
The Left’s obsession with “only following orders” no matter how immoral or evil, is the type that, in Germany during WWII, led directly to the horrors and atrocities of the Holocaust. But also, Greenwich Village/San Francisco/Fire Island “values” – of which “same sex marriage” is but one component of their tenets (as are the spreading of transgenderism, the refusal to honor and respect the differences between male and female, and their forcing anti-women, anti-children, anti-family, anti-morality and anti-humanity “bathrooms” onto society of the type that, just a few weeks ago in the Bronx, was a magnet to a sicko who exposed himself in one of those bathrooms in front of young girls and little children) – are in their own way every bit as fascistic as Sharia law, 100% dependent on the coercive power of the state, such as heavy fines and even jail time, to enforce them.
But our freedoms have been every bit as eroded and eviscerated by the LGBT supremacist juggernaut as they have been by Islamic supremacist demands. In California which has become increasingly inhospitable to families and children, they have banned travel to Oklahoma for that state’s refusal to bend to the demands of radical fringe Greenwich Village/San Francisco/Fire Island “values” to allow children in foster care to be sacrificed to pedophiles and sodomites. Heterosexual married couples, especially those who are Christian, are increasingly being discriminated against while preferential treatment is given to gay and lesbian couples in adopting children.
This decision is one of many reasons what a difference a President makes, and why we should all be grateful it is Donald J. Trump in the White House. Had Hillary, chas ve-chalilah, prevailed in November 2016, no doubt that baker would have been screwed royally and lost everything. Remember Obergefell was handed down when Obama was President.
5 years ago
Reply to
Patriotic American
If I remember correctly, just following orders was an excuse used by Nazi leaders at the Nuremburg trials right after WWII, right before they got hung for committing all those atrocities.One mans orders are another man’s total nightmare.
5 years ago
Reply to
Isabellathecrusader
True. The point is, imposing immoral or evil orders and demanding people follow it “or else” leads to this slippery slope as we saw with Nazi Germany.
5 years ago
Reply to
Patriotic American
The baker in question already lost his business over this travesty.
5 years ago
Reply to
IzlamDownpressesHumanity
In that sense, gay marriage certainly affected him personally – and in a very bad way.
5 years ago
Reply to
Rocinante44
There was a video floating around that filmed a homosexual going into a Muslim bakery asking for a wedding cake for a homosexual wedding. The woman would have loved to have beheaded him. Instead she ran him out of the store and verbally shredded him.
5 years ago
Reply to
Rocinante44
Does the civil rights commission of CO have any authority and if so under what auspices?
5 years ago
Reply to
IzlamDownpressesHumanity
good questions. don’t know. i do know they had the legal authority to order the baker and his employees to attend a re-education camp intended to beat down their Christian faith and make them acknowledge that homosexuality, and supporting the sinful behavior of homosexuals, is not a sin because it is condoned by the state of colorado. if they refused, i assume the state of colorado could fine and/or imprison them, shut down their business, sue them for a hate crime, etc. tell me how this is any different than nazi germany or the soviet union
5 years ago
Reply to
Rocinante44
I hope the baker gets a good lawyer and sue the state of Colorado for every last dime for violating his civil rights.
5 years ago
Reply to
IzlamDownpressesHumanity
the book of proverbs advises us to stay out of court as nothing good happens there. my guess is that mr. phillips will get on with his life and let God deal with this
5 years ago
“Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?” (Matthew 19:4) It was a just ruling. As a Christian to knowingly take part in a “Gay marriage” would be to violate the clear teaching of Holy Scripture and God’s purpose for marriage. Hats off to the ADF which I fully support. Further more to equate any doctrine’s or convictions of the adherents of Islam with those of Christians is outrageous.
5 years ago
Reply to
Patrick
An interesting side note to your point, Patrick, is that there is a unique difference between the teachings of Jesus and the teachings of Mohammed in terms of “enforcing the law of God” or “Imposing Christian Values” on unbelievers. Jesus never taught to do such a thing , but to treat others according to a non-theological principle of equality (Mathew 7:12). On the other hand, Mohamed taught his followers to “impose the law of God and Islamic values on the non-believers. This is called Sharia. If a Christian wants to marry the consenting adult of their choice, without the imposition of values by someone that considers themselves the moral/theological superior, then they must support the rights of Gay adults to marry whom they wish. Just like Christians should support the freedom of others to worship another “God” if they they see fit, even though it breaks the firsts commandment. Any Christian that would deny consenting gay adults the right to marry, is not adhering to Jesus’ fundamental rule on the treatment of the unbeliever. (Mathew 7:12) That being said, I believe a business should have the right to work with who they want to work with and not have that imposed on by the govt. Your thoughts?
5 years ago
Reply to
Russell Maynor
It comes down to a CHOICE!
Do you want to be Christian or not?
If you do then follow Biblical teachings and foremost accept Christ…
No Christian would marry a homosexual.
Get real!
Your comment:
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Any Christian that would deny consenting gay adults the right to marry, is not adhering to Jesus’ fundamental rule on the treatment of the unbeliever. (Mathew 7:12)
What does Matt. 7:12 say?
Matthew 7:12
[12] Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
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You can’t be serious? NO Christian is to endorse or advocate what is clearly sin such as homosexuality! The idea is to CHANGE the sinner and free them from the bondage of sin.
Sure if you want people to go to hell, by all means marry homosexuals so their feelings aren’t hurt or offended but don’t claim to be a Christian and twist Scripture to support sin.
Geesh!
What did Christ say about all this?
1 Corinthians 6; 9-11
[9] Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
[10] Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
[11] And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
[12] All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.
It’s a choice as to WHO you want to follow. The lifestyle choices made show your priorities. No, I am not interested in throwing homosexuals off rooftops. That is murder. Christians aren’t supposed to murder homosexuals for their lifestyle choice. Their fate will be determined by Christ when they die. A homosexual can always repent and become a Christian. NO there is no “gay gene” and they are “not born that way”. Even Milo will tell you he was sexually abused.
5 years ago
Reply to
felix1999
The fact that homosexuality and transgenderism are relentlessly promoted around the world, besides being blatantly culturally imperialists, is proof positive that this is being deliberately pushed by One World globalist elites to weaken the moral structure of a society in order to destroy it totally.
5 years ago
Reply to
Patriotic American
That’s exactly right. They have had success in breaking down the nuclear family and now they want to add perversion as the norm. Immorality is what they want.
5 years ago
Reply to
felix1999
Divorce and absentee fathers are what is breaking down the nuclear family.
5 years ago
Reply to
Bill Evans
And Democrats played a huge role in promoting and encouraging both, going back to LBJ’s Grate Society (misspelling deliberate) policies and the 1960’s “sexual revolution.”
5 years ago
Reply to
felix1999
“NO there is no ‘gay gene’ and they are ‘not born that way’.”
Yet, they seek to keep people converted to homosexuality and transgenderism, trapped in that whole lifestyle for life – indistinguishable from the Mafia’s stance on “made men” in the Cosa Nostra or Islam’s towards its adherents, namely that once one joins in, they’re in for life and can never be allowed to leave.
5 years ago
Reply to
felix1999
1. I didn’t say “endorse or advocate”. But to impede another’s freedom to pursue life, liberty and happiness is a violation of Mathew 7:12. Unless of course, it’s what you would want for yourself. (i.e. to have someone that thinks they are your moral superior enforce their values on you, which is exactly what the muslims want to do.)
2. I’m not a “Christian” for two reasons. Jesus does not ask us to become “Christians”, and there is no specific definition of a Christian. “Christians” can do lots of things in Christ name. They can burn people at the stake, they can fight against equal rights for gay adults to marry. A follower of Jesus’ teachings can do neither of these things.
I’m a follower of Jesus’ teachings. I am constrained, not by the mosaic law, but by the Golden Rule of Mathew 7:12. Following this principle fulfills EVERYTHING in the old testament that is worthy to be followed. According to Jesus.
3. You ask “What did Christ say about all this?” and then you ignore what Christ did say about this (Mathew 7:12) and proceed to quote the apostle Paul. Assuming that you are a follower of Christ, what does your Lord and Master say about how to treat an unbeliever. There are plenty of commands to “DO” in Jesus’ teaching. According to Jesus, how do we treat these sinners?
4.According to the theology of the Bible, it takes only one sin to contaminate a human and make him unfit for union with his maker. All of our efforts to clean ourselves up are just “filthy rags” to a holy God. If anyone is getting into heaven, it’s not because they sinned a little less, it’s because of the blood sacrifice of the son of God, who paid a price we could never pay ourselves.
5. What we believe about the nature of homosexuality is irrelevant. The only thing that’s relevant is how we treat the homosexuals. What does Jesus say, Felix?
5 years ago
Reply to
Russell Maynor
Good try! But you have a basic misunderstanding of the teachings of Jesus, I’m afraid. I don’t think two males rogering each other is on the same level as two people marrying to make a family, have babies. They can combine DNA, in essence, emulate G-d’s act of creation. That is why marriage is a sacrament. Every child created is a tiny universe. Two nasty gay guys can’t begin to compete with that, sorry.
5 years ago
Reply to
boocat
I’m not saying that heterosexuality is not the law of God. I’m saying that enforcing the law of God on non-believers is antithetical to the teachings of Christ on how we are to treat the unbelievers. If you have words of Jesus that tell us to enforce the law of God, or Christian values, on unbelievers , please share it with us. In the meantime, Mathew 7:12 is our guiding word. If we are following Jesus.
5 years ago
Reply to
boocat
Are you able to say anything about homosexuals without letting your bias and bigotry fall down your pant leg?
5 years ago
Reply to
boocat
Two men OR two women cannot procreate naturally.
But I am also reminded of Hillary whining about how Democrats don’t do too well with families. Why should they? Democrat policies are among the most hostile towards the family.
5 years ago
Reply to
Russell Maynor
You are highly deceived and deceiving others,and twisting the truth about the role of Jesus in the Godhead. Jesus is God in the flesh. There were pre-incarnate appearances of Jesus, such as in the lion’s den with Shadrach, Meschach, and Abednigo. He was always present in the Godhead, and in full agreement with the Old Testament teachings about homosexuality. The difference is that after the atoning death of Jesus on the Cross, people were allowed more space to turn away from their sin. The current notion that we get to stay in our sin forever because of Jesus is a slap in his face. He didn’t suffer all that so we refuse to change our minds about the corrosive nature of sin.
The Holy Spirit is the spirit of God. And the one we tend to call God is the soul. For the Godhead to be able to send itself to dwell among us in the flesh during the earthly ministry of Jesus is nothing. God works in many dimensions that we cannot normally access.
People who don’t really know Jesus quite often have a one-sided view of him as never angry and soft on sin. He is loving and patient with us. After all, he did live among us and knows and weakness. Love, patience, holiness righteousness, truth, and perfect morality are all aspects of his character. We see Jesus in the temple patiently braiding a whip that he then used to drive the money changers out of the temple. Jesus was and is very strong. He is King of Kings and Lord of Lords.
There is more to homosexuality than sexual preference. There are spiritual attachments to this sin that are related to rebellion and Baal worship. This is not to say all homosexuals consciously worship a false god. I have noticed that they are extremely good at being blind to what the Scriptures actually say about their sin. Having been around during the early days of Progressive Communists working to normalize this sin within society, I can tell you that the focus has always been to try to make other people be willing to say that God approves of their sin. They are saying to you “Did God really say” just as Lucifer said to Eve in the garden of Eden. In general sinners of all stripes do not say or believe that God approves of their sin. Only the LGBT crowd.
5 years ago
Reply to
movingwaters
Jesus said, “If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. (John 8:31) You have accused me of being deceived and deceiving others in my application of Mathew 7:12. “Twisting the truth” you say. When we present a case against others, with false accusations, that is called “Bearing false witness”. In argument, when we impinge the messenger’s character, because we can’t argue against the message, that is called an “ad hominem” attack. After attacking my character, you present your take on theology and not once, not even once , do you mention the words of the one you are supposed to be following. If you can contradict my point, please do so. The words of Jesus are in red in many bibles. Please, I encourage you to : Hold to the teachings of Jesus. And if you can find ANOTHER PRINCIPLE other than Mathew 7:12, for telling us how to treat the unbelievers, then let us all know. Until then, you seem to be the one deceived.
“Why do you call me “Lord, Lord” and not do the things I SAY?” Jesus-Luke 6:46
5 years ago
Reply to
Bill Evans
I have a bullying, domineering, homosexual relative who lives in a perpetual state of feeling offended, while sincerely believing that God gave her her sin. And she considers herself to be a Christian. Homosexuals for some bizarre reason frequently think their sin is special, and there is no need to repent. And also the normalization of their particular pet sin should be taught to even the smallest children. Do you ever hear an adulterer, a thief, or a murderer command others to say their sin is approved by God? No. not within those nations who were lucky enough to have had some semblance of a Christian heritage. Only homosexuals want others to kowtow to their sin. We all come to that Cross as filthy sinners. In fact, realizing you are a filthy sinner is truly the first step up to cleansing, deliverance, and true joy and worship in the Lord.
I certainly am not in favor of the extreme of throwing homosexuals off the roofs of buildings. It is my understanding that homosexuality is one of the hardest sins from which to get deliverance. For one thing it frequently has demonic attachments due to its relationship with paganism, and it also involves much more of an infiltration in other areas of a person’s psyche than just sexual preference. The great Bible teacher and scholar, the late Derek Prince, said that he had never seen a homosexual really delivered until they were able to accept and understand that there is demonic involvement with that sin.
I am familiar with what I have labeled as “3 verse Christianity” in which just a few verses that are taken out of context are used to justify anything. If you want to you can take a few verses of the Bible out of context to justify anything. The favorite in my family of Jezebel spirited bossy women, and I am also a woman., is the verse out of Joel that says “all who call on the name of the Lord will be saved.” This verse applies to last day Israelites who will recognize that it was their Messiah Jesus whom they pierced, and be saved. They understand, repent, and are saved. It is taken out of context in my family to mean that all you have to do is say the name “Jesus” and you will be saved. No repentance necessary. God does allow people who are not reallhy seeking after truth to be confused by the Bible.
I think it is an act of love is to tell someone they need to repent. Homosexuality is rebellion against the Lord. It is rebellion against God’s order of things. It is from Satan, not God. Choose wisely.
5 years ago
Reply to
movingwaters
Do you even know what Jesus has to say about how to treat the unbelievers?
5 years ago
Reply to
Bill Evans
Yes. We are to take the good news of what Jesus has done to save us from our sin to the whole world. If someone does not want to receive this truth we are to wipe the dust off our feet. In other words, we move on. We don’t kill them, okay. We are told not to be unevenly yoked with unbelievers. We are to avoid being in relationships in which they influence our lives. That would include not turning our children over to their care in the mis-education industry.
I didn’t know you were confessing to being an unbeliever.
5 years ago
Reply to
movingwaters
You seem to have a problem with quoting . I never said I was an unbeliever. I said I was not a Christian.
I asked you what Jesus had to SAY about how to treat unbelievers. You have not given me ONE THING that Jesus tells you to do. Are you unfamiliar with the commands of Jesus? Please give us an answer to the question, using a direct quote from Jesus: “What does Jesus SAY in terms of how we should treat unbelievers in EVERY CIRCUMSTANCE?” Please, Please, Please, give me a quote from Jesus. Take whatever time you need to do your research. This is important if you claim to be a follower of Jesus, you must know what he said to DO. Otherwise, you become part of the problem. i.e. those that are saying and doing things “in Jesus name”, but with no authorization from his word.
5 years ago
Reply to
Bill Evans
First of all, I am going to rejoice in the Lord for this great decision in favor of my brother in Christ in Colorado. Those who work in the kingdom of darkness take pleasure in targeting Christians for the purpose of eliminating their rights of conscience.
Second of all, you are unable to make good sense, which is a common trait in people who are accustomed to twisting truth. You said you are not a Christian. That makes you an unbeliever. I am cheated and infringed upon by a member of the Gaystopo on a regular basis, and am accustomed to how they automatically pervert the word. At first they do it intentionally. Then God gives them over to a reprobate mind that can’t receive truth. He does that as a mercy so that someday the reprobate may become really sick of their sin and beg God for help.
What is this “give us an answer” business? You were talking to me. What’s with the 3rd person pretense? I did give you several answers even though they were not direct quotes. Since I have work to do, and no desire to cater to your childish sense of offense, I leave it to you to do some Bible research. I noticed that several other members gave you some pertinent verses concerning your condition. Add the first chapter of Romans to the mix. One thing I can tell you is that those who look up passages in the Bible with the aim of disproving God’s Word are usually not ministered to by the Holy Spirit. He may well leave you in your darkness if you are not motivated to find the truth.
5 years ago
Reply to
movingwaters
Assuming you are a follower of Jesus, you are clearly not following his words. You continue to slander me, and bear false witness against me. Does Jesus ask us to call ourselves “Christians” in order to be believers or followers? Since you don’t have the time to do the research, the answer is “NO”. We are not asked by Jesus to call ourselves Christians.
When I am speaking of “Us”, it implies that others are reading what you are writing. They see that you have no words of Jesus to back you up, and therefore your arguments ring hollow.
Since you don’t have the time to do the research, the answer to the question is Mathew 7:12. If you don’t know that one, it’s probably the most important verse in the bible. Jesus said if you do that ONE THING, you will fulfill all the law and the prophets. Do the research… when you get the time.
“Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.” -2 Timothy 2:15
5 years ago
Reply to
Bill Evans
I have a personal relationship with Jesus and I know his word, as given in the Authorized King James Version, is true and reliable. If I were an unsaved sinner and in captivity to Satan’s kingdom I would want someone to tell me that Jesus saved, heals, and delivers us from even the desire for sin if we let him into all the dark corners of our life to do his work. The ultimate act of uncaring is to defend someone’s sin. Defending a group of twisted souls who deliberately target Christian business people for economic persecution is many times worse.
We all prefer to help people come to Christ through the demonstration of his love. That doesn’t work well with bullies. They have to be put in their place first. I have a long time LGBT bully inflicting herself on my life. She has literally lived in a 60 year state of almost constantly feeling offended about everything on earth, and desiring to be catered to. The promotion of normalizing this disorder is part of the Communist agenda that the Progressive movement has been forcing on citizens for 100 years. It is all about their hatred of traditional family values. Family under the headship of the true God was intended as the initial building block of society. Destroy that and Satan’s kingdom destroys a bunch of souls. Next on their list after normalizing homosexuality and other sexual confusions was bestiality and pedophilia. That is in process right now. There is even an animal brothel in Canada. How sick! The people at the top who promote such evil worship Lucifer. They are the ones who want real Christians destroyed. You appear to be in their camp.
Your problem is not with me, but with God. He has made it clear in his word how he feels about this sin, as well as the sin of extortion. Why are you still defending things God despises while still claiming to be his child? You don’t need to talk to me. If you are ever able to humble yourself to honestly seek God’s heart over this issue, he will answer.
5 years ago
Reply to
movingwaters
Since you seem to have a lot of your own words, and as of now, none of Jesus’ words, I would prefer to end this discussion. If you can come up with something that your “master” says concerning this subject I will continue, otherwise I simply wish you the best. And also, I would encourage you to pay attention to Jesus words :”… He said to the Jews who had BELIEVED Him, “If you continue in My word, you are truly My disciples. 32 Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” It’s one thing to be a “believer” and believe a certain theology. It’s another thing to be a “disciple” of Jesus. That means that you KNOW what JESUS SAID TO DO, and you try to DO IT. Even if it contradicts your previous belief system. I would encourage you to MAJOR in Jesus’ teachings, and MINOR in the rest of the scripture. I’m sure you are sincere, and my true hearts desire is that you follow JESUS specific teachings and words, found in the 4 Gospels, and in the book of Revelation. According to Jesus, there’s a significant GAP between being a believer and following the TEACHINGS OF JESUS. Believing in Jesus doesn’t give you a filter for the truth. Only being a follower of Jesus’ words an do that. May God continue to bless you!
5 years ago
Reply to
Bill Evans
RE: Subject of homosexual marriage. A far more germane quote, also from Matthew Chapter Seven, would be the following ….
Matthew 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
5 years ago
Reply to
movingwaters
And transgenderism is the ultimate rebellion against nature, biology and genetics. It likewise is from Satan. It is as much “mental illness” as Islam – i.e. not much.
5 years ago
Reply to
Patriotic American
Like you, Satan’s army has many subgroups, but they are all about rebellion against God’s design. It is amazing to me how brilliantly the Luciferian elite have been executing his end time plan a little at a time forever; like laying row upon row if bricks. The only way you can do that is by being in close communication and witchcraft with high level dark angels.
I heard just days ago that Bruce Jenner has become a bit dissatisfied and tired of pretending to be a woman. Perhaps some day his restless search will cause him to turn from narcissism to Christ.
And I am well aware that some day very soon we could be arrested and imprisoned for pointing out these truths. It is already happening in Europe. Canada is also against free speech.
5 years ago
Reply to
movingwaters
So, are you saying that Jesus came to save mankind, except the LGBTs? Is there a class of people that were doomed from birth to spend eternity in hell? No LGBT ever chose to be that way. They were either born like that or through child molestation became LGBT. Jesus said, “Suffer the little children to come unto me”. Are you ready to kick the LGBT kids out of Sunday school? Movingwaters, you got Bad Religion and your hardness of heart unmasks you..
5 years ago
Reply to
Patrick
LGBT supremacist “leadership” (who I try to distinguish from individuals in that community) morally equate Christianity with Islam on a regular basis to justify their hatred of Judeo-Christian values and their drive to totally subvert and nullify them and have them replaced as the guiding social norms with their Greenwich Village/San Francisco/Fire Island “values.” Never mind that Christians have evolved into their current stance of “love the sinner but hate the sin” – unlike Islam.
5 years ago
Reply to
Patriotic American
Humanists can believe whatever they want.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
5 years ago
Reply to
Patrick
I’ll stick with the Judeo Christian God.
Eternity is a looooonggg timmme and i sure wouldn’t want to spend it with godless liberals or be more popular!
5 years ago
Reply to
felix1999
Even in this non-eternal life that I am having, I still wouldn’t want to spend it with those brain-dead libturd groupies
5 years ago
Reply to
Kalambong Kalambong
Agree. And they have been bringing jihad right into America. somali jihadis attack American citizens while police make excuses (tolerance) https://tinyurl.com/ycymp8wv
Its happening in Demonrat run counties/states .
5 years ago
Reply to
Patrick
However, much of the LGBT “leadership’s” tacticology and what they are imposing bear very close similarities to what Islam’s adherents are pulling.
5 years ago
Crimes are not allowed as “religious beliefs” except in Loony Left/liberal pro-jihadi countries like UK/EU /Australia .
Here refusing gays is not a crime like rape, murder but disagreement in beliefs. besides Islam is not a religion its a terror and murder cult pretending to be religion. sooner this is decided better and easier it would be to end it.
5 years ago
Reply to
Suresh
Refusing to serve gays in certain aspects is NOT equivalent to throwing them off tall buildings or stoning them to death or beheading or crucifying them IN THE LEAST.
5 years ago
now lets apply this ruling to teachers forcing students to recite the shahada, aka the mark of the beast, in public schools using common core 🙂
5 years ago
The KEY issue was ignored – FREEDOM OF RELIGION!
The gist of it was the outright hostility of the Commission towards Christianity. Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Sonia Sotomayor dissented because they hate Christians.
5 years ago
Reply to
felix1999
Didn’t those two also preside over “s-s” weddings? Their conflict of interest was on display for all to see in the Obergefell case.
5 years ago
Reply to
Patriotic American
Ah, good point! YOU ARE RIGHT!
I believe both did. I know for a fact Ginsberg has performed same sex marriages. Bet ya when the issue is finally addressed,she won’t reuse herself.
5 years ago
Reply to
felix1999
YOU GOT IT RIGHT (and you are almost alone on that fact)…if this commission didn’t express disregard for his religious views, SCOTUS might have sustained their decision. Fake balancing the “rights” and the court might accept any outcome. What is left here is NO DEFINITIVE DECISION AND MORE “BALANCING” BY THE STATE COMMISSIONS….however on the docket is a Washington case where both Freedom of Religion and Speech as it involves artistic expression is being argued, which might achieve a definitive precedent, and we can expect 5-4 instead of 7-2 when the constitutional issue is clearly on the line.
5 years ago
Forcing someone to write words (even if it is done with an icing gun) is WAY over the line, even (thank God) liberal justice could see that. Jordan Peterson brilliantly exposed ‘Compelled Speech’ in Canada where they tried to force him to use made up idiotic ‘gender identity’ pronouns. “He said I WILL NOT and if you fine me I will not pay the fine and if you put me in jail for contempt of court, I will go on a hunger strike.” Tommy Robinson, a Christian baker in Colorado, a brilliant professor in Canada….we are THE RESISTANCE.
5 years ago
Reply to
poetcomic1
Not idiotic – deliberately subversive and a means of enforcing LGBT supremacism and radical fringe Greenwich Village/San Francisco/Fire Island “values.” Surrender to same plus appeasement of Sharia law go hand in hand in G-dless atheistic leftist societies.
5 years ago
Amazing,. 2 Supreme Court Justices actually approved of religious bigotry and violations of the First Amendment ?!!
Thank GOD …… 7 have brains !!!
5 years ago
“Gay marriage” was part and parcel of a leftist conspiracy to destroy the family and smash traditional Christianity and the Judeo-Christian underpinnings of our society, mapped out in a book called “After the Ball” by Marshall Kirk and Hunter Madsen (one of whom has since died of AIDS).
The reason for conservatives’ opposition to gay marriage had nothing to do with so-called “discrimination” towards gays, and everything to do with concerns about the establishment of a dangerous precedent for more outrageous and insidious demands from other groups for special accommodations in a “zero-sum” structure where everyone else loses. The Obergefell decision not only emboldened those who sought to eviscerate the privacy of women and girls and destroy the innocence of children with respect to bathrooms and showers and locker rooms, it is also the key to why Muslims in this country are now demanding the “right” to have female genital mutilation performed on girls and to take children as brides, why some states such as Maine have approved these abominations – and why about 22 states (per the count of Ayaan Hirsi Ali) are now under extreme pressure to reject initiatives to ban all of the above, and are increasingly hesitant to approve such a ban for fear of being labeled “Islamophobic,” “xenophobic” and even “culturally insensitive.”
5 years ago
Reply to
Patriotic American
FGM is a banned practice here at the federal level.
I believe it was Maine who just LEGALIZED it at the state level. Need I ask, where i Jeff Sessions on this.
5 years ago
The old argument of false equivalence eh muslum rat?
Because baking or not baking cakes is hardly in the same league with:
Muslum state sanctioned slavery, misogyny, persecution (i.e. of the unbeliever in islum), enforced blasphemy and heresy laws.
You are the weakest link.
5 years ago
decision only for this one baker.. The Nazi libs don’t give an inch
5 years ago
They avoided muslim bakers. This was about screwing America
5 years ago
Reply to
dad1927
It was about getting rid of Christians. They want to force Christians to be hypocrites. Christians can believe one thing and force them to do another. In other words they are not allowed to LIVE what they believe.
5 years ago
Reply to
felix1999
It is also a variant of the Muslim practice of lawfare to force their particular customs, values and way of life on the rest of society. Think about Muslim lawsuits against truckers over refusal to carry alcohol products or businesses to force them to reserve space for prayer rooms.
5 years ago
Forcing a baker to bake for somebody they don’t want to bake for makes them a slave, Obama made slaves out of Christians but didn’t force Muslims to work instead of pray during there work day.
5 years ago
Reply to
Tom Validakis
Not to mention forcing Christians to be accomplices to the “culture of death” by making them subsidize abortion pills or that barbaric practice itself (go ask Little Sisters of the Poor or Hobby Lobby about that).
5 years ago
I see Ms. Geller’s point on this, it sets a bad precedent in a world increasingly dominated by islamic imperialism. Who knows maybe this was the intention in this decision from the get-go (i.e. to facilitate the implementation of Shari’a law through the back door)?
5 years ago
It is outrageous to equate not wanting to be enslaved to bake a cake for people you believe are immoral with the horrors of sharia law. Refusing to participate is not the same as IMPOSING your views on other people. Imposing their views on others is what the two fascist gay guys did.
5 years ago
Reply to
boocat
What’s more, what that gay couple did is a variant of the Muslim practice of “lawfare” to impose their particular customs, values and way of life on the rest of society (i.e. truckers refusing to carry alcohol products, suing to force businesses to provide space for prayer rooms, women insisting on the “right” to be photographed for photo ID’s, drivers’ licenses or mug shots wearing full hijabs).
5 years ago
Reply to
boocat
I agree, and i did not equate “refusing to participate” with “imposing your views on people”. So please, do not misquote me. As I said in my opening statement, I do not believe the state should dictate who we do business with. And yes, I agree, those gay guys were fascistic. My point was a side one: If you work against the equal rights of any consenting adult, even if they are gays, or atheists, then you are working in contradiction to the words of Jesus. (getting a particular artist to bake your wedding cake is not a right). My point is, if you are following the teachings of Jesus, you cannot oppose equal gay marriage rights. The reason is that it violates Mathew 7:12.
5 years ago
You’re entitled to feel and believe what you like. You are not allowed to impose your beliefs on others. Luckily, the First Amendment exists to protect speech that makes you uncomfortable or offends you. No one is making you participate. Christianity is nothing like I-slam (which means SUBMISSION).
Christianity is full of hideous beliefs such as “love your neighbor as yourself” and “let he who is without sin cast the first stone”.
The gay guys were the ones who demanded the Christians SUBMIT to their beliefs (reminds me of Islamists).
5 years ago
Reply to
boocat
Exactly. That’s the point. Just as Western values are to yield to Sharia law whenever there is a conflict between the two, likewise whenever traditional Judeo-Christian values collide with radical fringe Greenwich Village/San Francisco/Fire Island “values,” it’s Judeo-Christian values that are to yield and give way.
5 years ago
LOL! Not surprised. They always had that right. I would be courteous enough to learn who would bake for gays (some people don’t mind) and would point them that direction.
CASE CLOSED! But not my bakery. 😉
5 years ago
“the rights of gay people to receive equal service in business … about basic access to public life.” Maybe next time go to your islamic cake shop and ask them to bake your cake? Lets see what happens… And then start a lawsuit against this islamic cake shop… I have nothing against gay people if they respect free choice, like i respect their free choice to go against Gods will (and no Christians will push them off a roof.) Again go shop at a islamic cake shop…
5 years ago
It won’t last and it’s not mutual.
5 years ago
All these two dickheads should have done ist to find another bakery prepared to do it. But they were obviously trying to get some huge compensation payments. This type of litigation business will become a booming industry and a gold mine for lawyers……..Absolutely sick !!!!!
5 years ago
Reply to
Hans Wellington
I was just about posting a comment very, very similar to yours. The gay couple in question could have found another baker and tell other gays and lesbians to boycott of that particular business and go to another one that does not discriminate against people because of their sexual orientation, something I don’t do because I know that people don’t make themselves. Did the (I assume) christian baker have the choice of his orientation and decided to live the heterosexual life style? I doubt it.
What I hadn’t thought of is what you point at: the two individuals (most probably) want publicity, shaming of religious people and a huge financial compensation, something I find disgusting. As I don’t live in the USA, I am not familiar with the laws and of the possibilities with which you can use or abused them!
Thank you for mentioning this possibility of abuse.
5 years ago
Reply to
Exuperancia Pérez
Gay couples have deliberately chosen Christian businesses in the same way Muslims carry on the way they do to force businesses, et al., to accommodate their demands.
5 years ago
Reply to
Exuperancia Pérez
The very fact that this story has gone through the by now world wide media is a clear indication that this was a planned action. Unfortunately as time goes on this will get even worse in particular in the USA where the litigation industry is booming. By the way, just like you, I don’t live in the USA either.
5 years ago
Problem solved once Supreme Court is rid of Ginsberg and co. Have Islam declared a cult, for it is not a religion and then simply destroy it
5 years ago
It should be pointed out that this so-called “couple” selected this particular baker for the mere purpose of sparking a confrontation, knowing full well his religious views on the matter.
“You shall not lie with a man as with a woman; it is an abomination.” — Leviticus 18:22
5 years ago
Reply to
Drew the Infidel
Again, shades of HAMAS-CAIR’s lawfare playbook. Supremacist to the core.
5 years ago
Thank God someone with COMMON SENSE saw through the political BIAS and BIGOTRY.
One question;
Now, who will pay the bill for the lawyer(s) for the FAST court costs. The original complainers and the original BIASED “judge” should now REFUND ALL costs relating to this attempted ILLEGAL infringement of a religious RIGHT !
5 years ago
Multiple muslim bakeries refuse to bake a “gay” wedding cake:
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/muslim-bakers-dont-want-to-make-your-gay-wedding-cake-either-where-are-the
And what about the Muslim baker who refused to put an American Flag on a cake for a returning veteran:
http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/548115-muslim-bakery-refuses-to-make-american-flag-cake-for-returning-war-veteran/
5 years ago
Reply to
CreoleGumbo
Muslim’s right to refuse service is acknowledged and protected by law, as is the homosexual’s business. So are the rights of Jews. Why didn’t the supreme court recognize that this right for Christians is also a human right, and not a ‘religious’ right? Why have Christians been singled out by government and courts? Why have we allowed it?
Because the supreme court intends on allowing islam’s religious Sharia law based on their recent court ruling. The rogue supreme court justices did this on purpose.
JMHO
5 years ago
While I am happy that the baker won this one, the fact that the decision was based on his religious conviction as opposed to having the choice to refuse service to ANYONE he chooses for ANY reason he chooses is troublesome because by this same logic you could argue that a jihadi is innocent of murder because he is acting in accordance with his “firmly held religious convictions.”
To prevent this kind of nonsense in the future (and I have no doubt that it will follow this decision) the bull needs to be tackled by the horns: 1) Islam needs to be declassified as a religion; and 2) that part of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 that strips a private business owner from refusing service needs to be repealed.
5 years ago
At long last a little sanity from the SC. I do not care what religion you hold to, a business should have the right to decide with whom it deals. A lesson Starbucks needs to learn! Their cafes are not public toilets and people who use them should be prepared to buy
5 years ago
Who but a raghead could combine medieval religious fervor with something as advanced and sophisticated as a jet airliner and crash it into a skyscraper?
5 years ago
we have a right not to accept homosexual choice and not have it forced on us.
5 years ago
They were not looking for a bakery to bake them a homo cake. They were looking for a Christian to sue. They have a very specific and militant agenda to deprive Christians in this country of our 1st Amendment rights and to be forced by the government to cave, and not only be tolerant of them, but to embrace them, or lose your ability to even make a living and feed you and your family..in other words, die.
5 years ago
Reply to
WeaverStance
How different is that, in essence, from Muslims suing business for “discrimination” over refusing to carry alcohol products on cross-country trucking trips, or refusing to serve alcohol to passengers on airline flights, or suing over the “right” of a woman to wear a burqa and hijab and screw whatever dress code is in place, or demands to accommodate for prayer breaks. Or the recent case of Muslims suing Amazon in Minnesota.
What that gay couple was doing was very much an act of supremacism, not only to eviscerate the First Amendment but also nullify and upend Judeo-Christian values and replace them with warped, twisted, depraved, untested radical fringe Greenwich Village/San Francisco/Fire Island “values” that are 100% dependent on the state to enforce their tenets – not unlike Islamic Sharia law.
5 years ago
Homosexuality is a sin. Christians cannot participate in the celebration of sin. Christians operate on our Christian beliefs, found in the Bible. That is our right and no one can force us otherwise. We will simply refuse because we honor God above man, and obey God over government with there is a contradiction. If people don’t understand that, they are discriminating against us, they are trespassing against us. If they want to persecute us for it, then so be it, nothing new there. Like Daniel’s 3 friends, if we perish, we perish. But we will honor God above all else, whether people understand that or not.
5 years ago
I’m curious…if I was a baker and someone walked into my shop and said they wanted me to make them a big ding dong cake and I was offended, would I be allowed to be offended or would I be obligated to make that cake? I mean, gays get away with being offended. Muslims get away with being offended. Baby snowflakes on our college campuses get away with being offended. What would I have to do to get away with being offended? What is the criteria for allowable hurt feelings? And does my being offended at being asked to make a penis cake trump someone else’s right to buy a penis cake? Which situation has priority? A person who rarely gets offended wants to know.
5 years ago
Pamela Geller is invariably right on the money regarding Islam and it’s danger to the West, but here she has shamed herself by equating Christian conscience, by which a Christian REFUSES TO DO SOMETHING, with the atrocious acts of Moslems who are MORE THAN WILLING TO DO SOMETHING EVIL. Thanks Pamela.
We are faced here with the conflicting moralities and Worldviews of Christianity and Secularism. Trashing someone by associating them with evil is a ploy more becoming of a left wing snowflake than a human rights activist who values Western Civilization. Western Civilization has a long history immersed in Christianity. However, what it is NOT is the latest secular hot topic for dreamed up “human rights”.
The Christian Worldview maintains
1. That God has given the human race a moral law applicable to ALL people everywhere in ALL generations.
2. To violate or not meet the standard of the Divine moral law is called sin. It incurrs guilt with Divine judicial consequences.
3. Homosexuality is prohibitted by the
Moral Law.
4. GOD invented marriage. It is HIS institution NOT the State’s. God limited it to be between one MAN and one WOMAN.
5. A Christian may not approve of or participate in the sins of others.
6. Until very recently Western Goverments followed the Divine law regarding homosexuality & marriage.
7. Western society is in rebellion against God.
8. The call of the Christian Gospel is to repentance individually and collectively. It applies to you and your family privately, and publicly to the Constitution of your country, the politicians you vote for, the Government that is elected, the laws on the Statute books and the decisions of
civil Courts.
Secularism inflexibly rejects every one of these points. Christians have in more recent history sought to accommodate this by asserting pluralism. Unfortunately in doing so they dug the grave of Christian Civilization. The corpse is starting to stink.
5 years ago
Faithful Jewish people who follow the Torah and obey their creator, know that homosexuality is a sin and an abomination. Jews who celebrate this perversion are on equal moral ground with sodomites and have no ground on which to stand as far as judging Christians who are faithful to the word of God.
Shame on you.
“He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.” Matthew 12:30
