Polish Political Party Seeks Prosecution of Israeli President For Telling the Truth About the Holocaust

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True to form. Poland just keeps stepping in it. Instead of simply owning up to the complicity of some Poles in the Holocaust, they keep shifting the blame to the Jews who tell the truth about what happened.

Fresh on the heels of Poland’s perverted version of Nazi-esque Nuremberg laws criminalizing mentioning the complicity of “the Polish nation” in the crimes of the Holocaust, comes this persecution of Reuven Rivlin for the crime of telling the truth.

Of the infamous Polish law, Polish scholar Jan T. Gross said, “It’s terrible.” “It criminalizes all survivors of the Holocaust. Every Jew who is still alive and comes from Poland could be prosecuted.”

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“Polish Ultranationalists Seek Prosecution of Israeli President Rivlin Over Reported Holocaust Remarks,” by Ben Cohen, Algemeiner, April 17, 2018:

Poland’s leading far-right political party announced on Tuesday that it was launching criminal proceedings against the president of Israel, Reuven Rivlin, under new legislation that criminalizes public discussion of Polish collusion with the Nazi authorities during World War II.

In a letter to Polish state prosecutor Marcin Gołębiewicz, the head of the far-right National Movement (RN), Robert Winnicki, said he wished “to inform about the crime committed by Israeli President Reuven Rivlin consisting in attributing to the Polish State responsibility for Nazi crimes.”

“I am seeking the prosecution of the perpetrator,” Winnicki said.

Under a widely-condemned amendment passed in March to the country’s Institute of National Remembrance (IPN) Act of 1997, a person found guilty of claiming “…publicly and contrary to the facts, that the Polish Nation or the Republic of Poland is responsible or co-responsible for Nazi crimes committed by the Third Reich…” faces a maximum prison sentence of three years. The law is not limited to Poland in its scope and can be used to prosecute foreigners.

The RN is basing its case against Rivlin on comments the Israeli president was said to have made during a meeting with his Polish counterpart, Andzrej Duda, on Apr. 12. “There is no doubt that there were many Poles who fought the Nazi regime, but we cannot deny that Poland and Poles had a hand in the extermination,” Rivlin — who traveled to Poland for the annual “March of the Living” at the site of the Auschwitz death camp — was reported as saying by both Polish and Israeli media outlets.

However Rivlin’s speech at the official memorial ceremony at Auschwitz used notably different wording than that attributed to him earlier in the day.

Turning to President Duda, he solemnly acknowledged that under the Nazi occupation, “the Poles were an oppressed people, living in fear.”

“The people of Poland produced thousands of ‘Righteous among the Nations,’” Rivlin said.

He continued: “Nevertheless, It is impossible to deny the truth. The Nazi death machine would not have been able to achieve its terrible vision, if it had not received help; if it had not found a fertile ground of hatred for Jews, in which to take root.”

Rivlin commented that while Nazi Germany had “built the camps, our people were not murdered only in the camps.”

“The members of our nation were betrayed by the people amongst whom they lived, in France, in Holland, and in Belgium,” the Israeli president declared. “They were murdered by Ukrainians, Lithuanians and, yes — also by Poles.”

In the same speech, Rivlin also countered the widespread claim in Poland that the Holocaust was as much a Polish as a Jewish tragedy.

“Polish people were killed and murdered in the cruel war,” he said. “We, the Jews, were slaughtered in the Holocaust.”…

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old003
old003
5 years ago

Like somebody once said,and I’m paraphrasing, the problem with Poland is its full of polacks.

Richard Harris
Richard Harris
5 years ago
Reply to  old003

And people have also said “The problem with Israel is that it’s full of K*kes”. Would you find that acceptable? I don’t….neither do I find your anti-Polish comment acceptable.

Alleged-Comment
Alleged-Comment
5 years ago

Aren’t Poles suppose to be stupid or something?

Richard Harris
Richard Harris
5 years ago

If you believe all of the anti-Polish propaganda from Nazi Germany, Hollywood, the “American” media….”yes” they are. Not to mention Poles are also “Islamophobes”, “Facists”, “Nazis”, :”Anti-Semites”, “Racists”, Xenophobes”, built “Polish death camps” and every other horrible thing the Globalist media dreams up about Polish people because they hate Poland for standing up for it’s Christian European culture. To say the least, this article on Poland is one-sided.

Ariel Sharon
Ariel Sharon
5 years ago

Nothing really EVER surprises me about the Poles!

Ariel Sharon
Ariel Sharon
5 years ago

Nothing really EVER surprises me about the Poles!

felix1999
felix1999
5 years ago

How do you prosecute someone telling the truth about history?
When evidence pops up indicating otherwise, then what?

Nefarious420D
Nefarious420
5 years ago
Reply to  felix1999

You keep repeating it over and over again so much so that other people start repeating it over and over again…… = perceived/assumed facts.

Nazis used this to great effect, and our own media is doing it to us every day all day.

felix1999
felix1999
5 years ago
Reply to  Nefarious420

Right you are!
DEMS are also using that technique here on Trump!

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State. ”

Joseph Goebbels

Nefarious420D
Nefarious420
5 years ago
Reply to  felix1999

And they learned it from Islam, modeling it after taqiyya.

Suresh
Suresh
5 years ago
Reply to  Nefarious420

Agree. Lying /suppressing truth that exposes /humiliates any group /govt is not new.

Like this news of brutal gang rape of swedish girl and what they did to her is even worse
http://bit.ly/2z2rVov

But it was suppressed /played down !

tatka150
tatka150
5 years ago
Reply to  felix1999

Just disregard the evidence. Do we have enough evidence to send Hillary and all her gang to jail? I guess more then enough. And everybody just disregard it. Apparently evidence of the crime is not enough in our mad, mad,mad world. The desire to use the evidence to fight the crime is more important.

Meitnerium
Meitnerium
5 years ago
Reply to  felix1999

Slavic antisemitism was worse than German antisemitism. Not every Slav was antisemitic, but even the Nazis realized that some were and used slavic collaborators to do a lot of the actual killings in the Holocaust.

At best, the Poles want to forget. At worst, old hatreds are coming back.

R. Arandas
R. Arandas
5 years ago
Reply to  Meitnerium

Not all Slavs were so bad though, like the Czechs have always been fairly friendly to the Jews.

Ziggy46
Ziggy46
5 years ago
Reply to  felix1999

Indeed, Felix, prosecuting the truth would be a futile challenge. The Poles, not all, were culpable in the deaths of millions of Jews, it is an undeniable fact. This anti-Semitic weenie obviously is a Jew-Hater with a deep-seeded contempt for Jews and Israel. Perhaps, he is in need of an exorcism to expunge this malignant hatred.

tatka150
tatka150
5 years ago
Reply to  Ziggy46

You should do it to the whole country. Same way as it’s Eastern neighbors. But it’s not gonna help. It’s in their blood. Inheritance.

Richard Harris
Richard Harris
5 years ago
Reply to  Ziggy46

????? You say “The Poles, not all, were culpable in the deaths of millions of Jews, it is an undeniable fact.” Really??? According to the Israeli War Crimes Council, no more than 0.1% of Poles collaborated with the Nazi Germans. So 0.1% of Poles are responsible for the deaths of MILLIONS OF JEWS???? WOW. I would have thought the Germans were responsible for the deaths of MILLIONS of Jews…..but for some reason folks today don’t like talking about German complicity in the Holocaust anymore. They want to shift the blame of the Holocaust to POLISH PEOPLE and “some Nazis”… with no ethnic origin.

And what Jews perceive as “Polish anti-semitism”…..is the frustration that Poles have that Jewish critics of Poland will NOT say about their fellow Jews. That yes, Jews did have a role in the destruction of their own people in the Holocaust. And this is according to Jewish historians like Hannah Arendt who said the amount of Jews killed in the Holocaust would not have been as large IF not for a lot of Jewish Councils, Judenrats and Kapos that helped the Nazi Germans. And Pamela Geller supported what Hannah Arendt said about Nazi Jewish collaboration.

caliroxanne
caliroxanne
5 years ago
Reply to  Ziggy46

After the Holocaust, those Jewish Poles fortunate to have survived, went back to their houses in Poland only to find that they had been stolen by their Polish neighbors. When the Jews wanted their belongings back, there were practically riots where the Jews were attacked and killed. This was done by the Poles, not the Germans.

Ziggy46
Ziggy46
5 years ago
Reply to  caliroxanne

Exactly, but to some it is the Jews who were at fault. Indeed, the few Righteous Poles did save some Jews, The Righteous Among Nations. Every nation hold some culpability, the US turned back ships with refugees as did Canada, Jews attempting to flee as the Reich purged Europe. Imagine today if anyone dared turn a shipload of Muslim refugees, all hell would hit the fan and a bit of you-know what, also.

Once again, it is the Jews fault in some people’s minds. Indeed their were Jews who turned on their own. Indeed, the Germans were the driving force but they did not have to coax the Poles, Ukrainians, France and the Baltic nations to join the Shoah feeding frenzy. There are those, too, who blame the Jews for being led sheep-like to their slaughter. Again, blame the Jews.

Caliroxanne, thanks, many people are unaware of the displaced Jews returning to Poland to reclaim their rights, home and businesses; only to be murdered and brutalized once again.

felix1999
felix1999
5 years ago
Reply to  Ziggy46

At least the U.K. took in Jewish children. They rejected adults but Jewish children who were able to leave had a loving home to go to with the hope of reunification.

tatka150
tatka150
5 years ago
Reply to  felix1999

Margaret Thatcher’s parents adopted one Jewish girl from Europe. They become lifetime friends with Margaret.

caliroxanne
caliroxanne
5 years ago
Reply to  Ziggy46

Sadly, there are many who pathologically blame the Jews for everything.

There were a very small number of righteous who did courageous things to save Jews, but those wonderful individuals were rare.

And of course you are correct in stating that the world was ok with turning Jews away, but there would be outrage if Muslims were turned away. The difference is that Jews were true refugees trying to flee certain slaughter and extermination whereas the Muslims are simply trying to invade and conquer the West by pretending to be refugees.

Ziggy46
Ziggy46
5 years ago
Reply to  caliroxanne

Indeed, Caliroxanne, you are right. I, however, am sick and tired (there are certain words I would like to use but cannot) of the Jew-Hating, the blatant anti-Semitism that the leftist-fascist set justify in their twisted worldview. You are bang-on; the Jews were true refugees. Most frightening, if it were, G-d forbid, Israeli/Jewish refugees seeking refuge today, the West would turn its back on them once again. I feel strongly that not much has changed over the decades since The Holocaust. I have debated this with friends, who by the most part, consider I’m nuts or paranoid, it ain’t so. The West at one point were closeted anti-Semites, Jew-Haters by and large. Now it is fashionable, acceptable, ignorance is bliss, the closets are wide open and the closet anti-Semites, Jew-Haters whether governments or citizens are free to expose and act upon this hatred.

No nation, other than Israel, has had to march to the beat of so-called allies, fair-weather friends/allies. The West has refused to learn from it one stalwart ally, Israel, regarding Islam, the Arab worldview. This is will come back and bite the West on the hiny big time. It already has but the West is too arrogant to learn from the one savvy nation, Israel. Israel will somehow endure; the same cannot be said about the pompous West. Take care.

caliroxanne
caliroxanne
5 years ago
Reply to  Ziggy46

What you say is correct, and sadly, you are not nuts or paranoid.

Ziggy46
Ziggy46
5 years ago
Reply to  caliroxanne

Thanks, Caliroxanne, I’ll phone my therapist and cancel all further sessions. Take care.

R. Arandas
R. Arandas
5 years ago
Reply to  caliroxanne

True, although the Poles were also victims in the war, Hitler wanted to exterminate all the Slavs eventually, as well, I think, after the Jews.

caliroxanne
caliroxanne
5 years ago
Reply to  R. Arandas

Yes, but my comment wasn’t about Germans, it was about what actual Poles did to the Jews after the Holocaust.

aemoreira1981
aemoreira1981
5 years ago
Reply to  felix1999

The statements he said are debatable in terms of truth, given that Germany ruled with an iron fist when it occupied Poland. That said, a prosecution for this would be dumb.

santashandler
santashandler
5 years ago
Reply to  aemoreira1981

Oh, you were there and heard him speak otherwise?

Achmed Mohandjob
Achmed Mohandjob
5 years ago
Reply to  santashandler

She’s simply upset, as her mommy isn’t playing “make-believe” with her at the present time. So, she’s snuck onto the internet to play “make-believe” here. Don’t be so harsh on the little girl. It’s her mommy’s fault for not setting enough time aside for “make-believe” games.

santashandler
santashandler
5 years ago

You’re right. It’s much better for her kind to stay in the ‘make believe’ world. Reality is just too much for her kind.

caliroxanne
caliroxanne
5 years ago
Reply to  aemoreira1981

The Germans had no problems finding many willing and eager collaborators.

R. Arandas
R. Arandas
5 years ago

Sigh…those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. 🙁

I think many Poles today are good people, but they should be picking their battles carefully, this issue is not one they should be spending time and energy stirring up, not at this time.

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
5 years ago

What is the matter with stupid people? Has the islamic disease of denying the truth and lying gotten to the point that everyone is turning into a liar? Quit denying history, what is done, is done, now learn what you can and move on. Honestly, there is an epidemic of stupid in europe.

santashandler
santashandler
5 years ago
Reply to  Mahou Shoujo

I’m sorry to report, europe no longer has a monopoly on stupidity. We now have an abundance of it in the U.S. And it’s getting worse.

R. Arandas
R. Arandas
5 years ago
Reply to  Mahou Shoujo

Indeed. What is more, this ongoing drama only serves to distract both Israel and Poland from far more pressing concerns and mutual threats.

poetcomic1
poetcomic1
5 years ago

Pamela’s first article on this subject twisted the government’s words and it broke my heart. I had always found it vitally important that she be careful and truthful. The headline was ‘Polish leader says Jews to blame for Holocaust’ when what he said was that of course Poles were complicit, even Jews worked for the Nazis which is simple truth. By far the largest number of ‘Righteous Gentiles’ at the Shoah memorial in Jerusalem are Poles who hid and rescued Jews. with Poles trying to hold the front line against Islamic invasion it is a spectacularly idiotic time to stir up anti-Polish feeling among Jews. Who REALLY cooperated with the Nazis? Nobody betrayed the Jews like the Dutch did.

Meitnerium
Meitnerium
5 years ago

It is already well known that some Poles collaborated in the holocaust. What do they have to gain from suppressing it? All censorship does is destroy the reputation the polish government thinks it is protecting by densoring.

Richard Harris
Richard Harris
5 years ago
Reply to  Meitnerium

You are correct. Some Poles did collaborate with the Nazi Germans against Jews….and even against other Poles. According to the Israeli War Crimes Council, 0.1% of Poles collaborated with the Nazi Germans. But as Poland has said time after time…..this new law does NOT censor people from talking about individual Poles collaborating with the Nazi Germans, since as Poland has acknowledged….this is true.

The new law prohibits allegations that Poland…the STATE/government….. collaborated with Nazi Germany. Poland has a right in saying this, since its a fact that the Polish STATE did not collaborate with Nazi Germany. In fact, Nazi Germany (along with its former ally the Soviet Union) destroyed Poland the STATE… within 7 weeks of it’s attack on Poland.

And if censorship destroys the reputation of people/nations like Poland that have it…..Why have Jewish groups instituted censorship laws across Europe for denying the Holocaust??

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