Golden West College: Campus Cops Crack Down on Questions about Islam

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This is sharia enforcement on campus. It is increasingly the case that not the slightest critical word about Islam can be spoken on America’s college and university campuses. Imagine what would happen if a speaker about Christianity had police remove critical questioners. There would be an international outcry. But this is increasingly the norm: do not question Islam. It is the one topic that is off-limits to all but the most whitewashed presentations.

“Campus Cops Crack Down on Questions about Islam,” by Gary Fouse, FrontPage, March 19, 2018:

[Editor’s note: To help push back against the enforcement of Islamic blasphemy laws on the American campus, support the Freedom Center’s campaign Stop University Support for Terrorists.]

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On March 14, I attended a public presentation entitled Islam 101 at Golden West College in Huntington Beach, California. The presenter was Nicole Bovey, a convert to Islam and public information officer at the Islamic Institute of Orange County in Anaheim. Bovey also works with the Muslim Speakers Bureau in Orange County (an arm of the Islamic Networks Group). The presentation was sponsored by GWC professors Kaine Fini (Anthropology) and Communications Professor Kristine Clancy (most of the audience members were her students, and this was part of her class.) The event had been advertised publicly, hence was open to the public. Altogether, there were approximately 50 people present. I videotaped the entire proceeding. The event was scheduled to run from 6:45-9:30 pm. As it was, it was cut off at about 8:30 by one of the professors (more about that later.) During the event, Professor Clancy called in campus police and she admonished a couple of the people in the audience who had asked pointed questions.

Ms. Bovey’s presentation was a very basic and very vanilla presentation of Islam, explaining what Islam is, what it means, who Muslims are, Muslims’ worldwide demographic breakdown etc. Bovey’s lesson plan, consisting of slides posted on the walls, was about subjects like the 5 pillars of Islam, daily prayers etc. She stated at the outset that she was there to clear up misconceptions about Islam. In fact, the first image on the wall was of a masked man representing a terrorist. Yet, it was clear later into the presentation that she was not going to get into areas like terrorism or Sharia law. She invited the audience members to raise their hands to ask questions at any point.

Bovey was doing fine handling soft, non-controversial questions, but plainly could not handle pointed, uncomfortable questions from a few members of the audience, including myself. One audience member identified himself as a former Muslim from Egypt, who left Islam and became a Christian pastor. When he began to contradict statements by Bovey, she became uncomfortable. Subsequently, he was approached by Prof. Clancy who asked him to step outside. He returned a few minutes later. While Bovey was discussing Zakat (Islamic charity giving), another audience member asked her about the categories of Zakat and whether any of them allowed giving to non-Muslims. She was unable to answer the question. Another man in the audience, a Muslim, stated that there was a separate channel of giving other than Zakat that could be directed to non-Muslims.

During Bovey’s description of Islamic daily prayers, I asked her about Sura 1, verses 1-7, from the Quran, which are recited in those daily prayers. I read verses 6-7 to her from an English language Koran that referred to those who had incurred Allah’s wrath and those who had lost their way. I mentioned that according to a hadith, one of Mohammad’s followers had asked who that referred to and Mohammad’s answer was that the former were the Jews and the latter Christians. Bovey danced all around it stating that she didn’t know about that and that she had her own perception of who those people might be.

At one point, Bovey called for a 15-20 minute break because she and her AV assistant had to pray. At that point I turned my camera off and was looking at my cell phone when Professor Clancy began admonishing a couple of the men in the audience who had asked the above questions stating that this was her class. A campus police officer entered the room and a third staff member, International Student Program Director Melissa Lyon, asked a couple of them to step outside. One of the men had not even asked a question and eventually he was able to avoid going outside to talk to police. I captured most of this on my cell phone both inside the hall and outside. After talking with the police, the men were allowed to return.

Later on, Yet another audience member pointed out that modern archaeological studies had failed to identify Mecca as even existing during the time Mohammad was alive. Again, Bovey was unprepared. Professor Fini identified himself as an anthropological professor and responded that there were historical sites associated with Judaism and Christianity which could not be proven to exist during certain times, but that they were accepted as part of tradition.

I was called on for another question and asked Bovey about Hudud Sharia, the punishment section of Sharia law, specifically about the death penalty for apostates who criticized Islam, adulterers and homosexuals. Again her answer was evasive. She then asked me to stop videotaping saying that she feared I would edit it. I assured her I would not. I politely insisted that this was a public event in a public institution and that I had a right to videotape. This was affirmed by the aforementioned anthropology professor. (During the break I had occasion to talk to a campus police officer, and he affirmed my right to videotape.)

As other questioners steered the topic toward sensitive areas, Professor Lyon came racing to the rescue ending the event one hour before its scheduled time. It was pretty obvious that the conversation was going in a direction that Bovey and the professors did not want it to go.

It is clear that Bovey came prepared to give a “happy face” version of Islam to her audience. She was not prepared to deal with the obvious elephants in the room. Virtually every critical question was met with evasion.

Professors Clancy and Lyon completely overreacted to the questions to the point of calling in the campus cops and asking audience members to step outside. Whatever happened to free speech and the free exchange of ideas? There was absolutely no disruption whatsoever. Yet members of the audience were told that their questions were unacceptable. Since when?

And why did Ms. Lyon stop the event 60 minutes early? Because the speaker and her hosts were unwilling to engage in a discussion of aspects of Islam like Sharia law, draconian punishments, and terrorism.

Though the audience was mostly students and mostly members of Professor Clancy’s class, we (the aforementioned questioners) were not the only non-students in the audience. This event was announced to the public. That some chose to come and ask honest questions about Islam should be part of the protocol. Is that not what colleges are supposed to be engaged in? It was stated that Bovey wanted to explain “misconceptions” about Islam. Yet when asked to do so, she gave us tap dances and evasions while the professors tried to silence some of us — and then called the campus police to shut us down. Again, this was an event open to the public.

It is evident that all of these eerie developments clearly were a perfect lesson in Islam 101 — and in which happens to a free society once Sharia starts taking over.

Will we accept this laying down?

TAKE ACTION FOR FREE SPEECH:

[1] The president of Golden West College is Wes Bryan. Contact him and ask why his institution is submitting to Islamic blasphemy laws:
Email: [email protected].
Phone #: 714 895 8101.

[2] Golden West College is part of the Coast Community College District. They have a board of regents whose contact info can be found HERE.

[3] One of the audience members who was escorted out of this event by police and warned by them not to ask any more questions was Steve Amundson, the head of the Counter Jihad Coalition. Contact him if you want to help defend America from Jihad and Sharia:
Email: [email protected].

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Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
5 years ago

muslims have to use threats, censorship and actual violence, as there is no possible way islam can be defended against even the slightest questioning. Lies and contradictions are everywhere, blatant and belligerent. The only way to accept islam, is to completely reject any trace of humanity, intelligence, decency or any attributes that elevate man above animals.

wall poster
wall poster
5 years ago
Reply to  Mahou Shoujo

wow .we couldn’t ask for a more degenerate enemy….they are losing this online war……
………….they got no game

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
5 years ago
Reply to  wall poster

The problem muslims have, is that on line, it is in print, their words can be looked at and ridiculed. It is impossible to shout down, intimidate or violently silence a forum.

Lynn D
Lynn D
5 years ago
Reply to  Mahou Shoujo

That’s why i really enjoy the tussle’s I get with mussies on forums…I find the relevant bit of bullshit they are talking about and refute it using their own hadith and koran against them… They never answer back.

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
5 years ago
Reply to  Lynn D

When they do, it never is relevant to the original statement, is always an attempted diversion or outright lie. Those useless talking dick heads that spew monologues on late night tv would be quite amusing if they appleid their lack of talent to muslims.

Lynn D
Lynn D
5 years ago
Reply to  Mahou Shoujo

Still wouldn’t be an even contest.. As is said “I love a battle of wits, but I refuse to fight with someone who is unarmed”.

NonIslmophobicAthiestPedoHater
NonIslmophobicAthiestPedoHater
5 years ago
Reply to  Lynn D

Or only 1/2 armed?

Robert Ives
Robert Ives
5 years ago
Reply to  Mahou Shoujo

i before e except after c, In most situations, 😉 Love you!, Roberto

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
5 years ago
Reply to  Robert Ives

Curses, foiled again by the word fill brats, I would have gotten away with it if not for them.

David
David
5 years ago
Reply to  Mahou Shoujo

That’s the same thing CNN and MSNBC do in politics. They don’t give a different viewpoint on the news, they talk about something completely different. When McCabe was fired, CNN ignored the news and talked about Stormy Daniels, for example. Wonder who’s really making the editorial decisions there? This avoidance strategy isn’t really a part of Christianity or Judaism, so …

Sharon Jenkins
Sharon Jenkins
5 years ago
Reply to  Lynn D

I am so sorry guys; Google is offering me nothing, the above website is just a scam. It is even written on this page;

I UNDERSTAND THIS WEBSITE IS ONLY ILLUSTRATIVE OF WHAT NEVER MIGHT BE
ACHIEVABLE FROM USING THIS PROGRAM, AND THAT THE STORY DEPICTED ABOVE IS TO BE TAKEN AS A SCAM.

IzlamDownpressesHumanity
IzlamDownpressesHumanity
5 years ago
Reply to  wall poster

“They are losing this online war…” In my local public library any and all counter-jihad websites are blocked from being accessed on the public computers. In my local public library their collection doesn’t contain any works by counter-jihadi authors (e.g. Ms. Geller, Robert Spencer, Mark Steyn), because banning books is almost as good as burning them.

santashandler
santashandler
5 years ago

“Fahrenheit 451” wasn’t that far off…..

BRUH
BRUH
5 years ago
Reply to  wall poster

LOL THIS ONLINE WAR BRUH

WE BANGIN YO WOMEN RIGHT NOW THO

Nabi Rasch
Nabi Rasch
5 years ago
Reply to  BRUH

Tsk! Tsk! So absolutely fixated on the sexuality of women. Is that all you’ve got? We get your smartest–the ones that quit it–without so much as the effort of a burp while you get the West’s dumbest–if you’re ‘lucky’.

Robert Batchelor
Robert Batchelor
5 years ago
Reply to  BRUH

Wow! That’s a really good argument for Pislam. We should all convert now. In the history of the world, I’ve never seen such a debater for a cause.

WatcherD
Watcher
5 years ago
Reply to  BRUH

You mean those tiny little girls in Telford?

aebe
aebe
5 years ago
Reply to  BRUH

You call your sows women ?

wall poster
wall poster
5 years ago
Reply to  BRUH

I can imagine the trash you pick up so you can elevate yourself up in society cause you banged a western woman……do you also support them when they get pregnant?….do you insist they cover their bodies?..do you give them yeast infections?

wall poster
wall poster
5 years ago
Reply to  BRUH

is that even allowed in your quran?

Achmed Mohammedan
Achmed Mohammedan
5 years ago
Reply to  BRUH

I noticed, BRUH, that you “upvoted” yourself. Anything THAT stupid HAS to be a moslem.

IzlamDownpressesHumanity
IzlamDownpressesHumanity
5 years ago

Yep, that’s what you call a tell.

Kalambong Kalambong
Kalambong Kalambong
5 years ago
Reply to  wall poster

The True Islam 101
An exhausting complete, scene-by-scene account of how Islam was started

Chapter 1. There was a pedophile, he found a hole in the ground.

Chapter 2. That pedophile entered that hole.

Chapter 3. There was something in that hole, a demon.

Chapter 4. Demon told the pedophile – You are anointed as the NEXT pervert, ahem, Prophet.

Chapter 5. Pedophile came out of that hole in the ground and created Islam.

Suresh
Suresh
5 years ago
Reply to  wall poster

Agree. unite and fightback , its democracy and nobody can impose their views if majority are against it and willing to fight it socially and legally like these American patriots did to stop islamisation of schools https://tinyurl.com/y8yzso88

Any attempt to shut down …unite, fund and sue them for 1 st Amendment violation…or they will shut you down.

Trump can't ban islam
Trump can't ban islam
5 years ago
Reply to  Mahou Shoujo

criticism of islam will not be tolerated. the hand of mohammad is strong. Islam will be part of our daily lifes. one day americans will wake up with the prettiest sound for many, the muslims calling from their minarets and it will be normal then. western civilization as you know it is over, gone, kaput. welcome to the new islamic era of the world. Islam will be part of our daily lifes, year after year, decade after decade, century aft……….

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
5 years ago

Boring, get some new material.

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
5 years ago

Each muslim will get the same personal minaret Vlad the impaler gave them years ago.

James JonesD
James Jones
5 years ago
Reply to  Mahou Shoujo

Remember Obama saying that the muslim call to prayer from the minaret was the ” sweetest sound “. What a traitor. Amazing what the Left has done. The many fronts and the depths of those fronts that they have opened up should make any Westerner be very concerned, but the attack on our educational institutions is most concerning. These minds will be our future. Fighting an invading force is one thing but fighting our own sons and daughters. It’s like half our house is on fire and we’re talking about carpets for the front hall. Do we really realise the danger we are all facing. This is not a conventional war, at least not yet, but it is war, and we need to call it what it is. The mouth pieces on MSM, certain members of Congress… friend or foe ? Call them what they are – they are enemies of the State and have conspired to undo a legitimate election – to usurp the democratic process. Hell, you’ve got high ranking officials ( Brennan, Powers ) threatening a duly elected standing President. Do we grasp the magnitude of all this – this is not just some disagreement about policy – these words and actions are unprecedented – they reek of sedition and the rhetoric is getting worse, not better.
We can still speak out, we can still vote, we can still protest, but winning this is not guaranteed, not by a long shot. The people behind this have been planning this for years, decades, and they know what they are going to do next week, next month, next year. What plans does our side have ? Are we organised anywhere near like them ? Our pants are down around our ankles and a large percentage of the good guys are only starting to wake up to the mess we are in. And to top it all off, a dysfunctional, fractured US warring against itself is probably exactly what they want. We all think the UK and Europe have passed the tipping point – how far away is it here ? Trump is but one man and he has been fought left and right and the ” swamp ” is still very full – fire one and all the other creatures start growling and bearing their teeth. This is like a ” Walking Tall ” scenario – little action for little solutions, big action for big solutions. Well, get on with it already – what the hell is the hold up.

santashandler
santashandler
5 years ago

No, no, no. “The hand of mohmud” is covered in donkey yogurt. Get it straight.

Daniel FX Dravot
Daniel FX Dravot
5 years ago

BuggerBoy: We long ago determined your real species – mustela nivalis. The common or “least” weasel.

Don’t worry about your English skills, or more exactly, their lack. You won’t last long enough in America to really need them. You’ll be, at best, running at top speed back to Durkastan where pointing and grunting are all the language skills you’ll need.

Too bad your father didn’t teach you better. You don’t know who your father is? Does your mother know who your father is? ‘No’? Quelle surprise!

About your mum – do you have any naked pictures of her? No? Would you like some?

It’s at this point you should flounce off in a big queeny huff.

Robert Batchelor
Robert Batchelor
5 years ago

Why can’t I criticize Islam? You, the Muslim, criticize everyone who’s not Muslim. It’s not a one way street. We get to pick a part your sick ideology and it’s your job to refute our arguments with evidence. Unfortunately, since you can’t refute our arguments, you (and all other Muslims) go immediately to threats of violence. In the process, you validate our arguments against Islam by your threats.

aebe
aebe
5 years ago

Lard is used as a lubricant on the threads and needles when binding copies of the kran .

wall poster
wall poster
5 years ago

blasphemy.mohommad is dead you twit

NonIslmophobicAthiestPedoHater
NonIslmophobicAthiestPedoHater
5 years ago

Dirty Mo the Pedo had only 1 strong hand and that was the one he loved the most after he gave his favorite goat aids..

Really Think you are going to have to learn to tolerate because your cult always seems to stink like the average pig farm and if we humans have to tolerate that stink you have to tolerate the odd unpleasant hurt feelings.

Thanks though becasue I had almost forgot, add 2 kliks to account for the elevation, accuracy counts especially when humans are trying to sleep, no unnecessary noise will be tolerated either.

felix1999
felix1999
5 years ago
Reply to  Mahou Shoujo

I certainly reject Islam. Maybe they should pass out Qur’ans so ALL can see the vileness of their “religion” at these public meetings.

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
5 years ago
Reply to  felix1999

It would be a great thing to have public forums with questions and answers being taken straight from the audience, instead of scripted cherry picking like they do on islamic websites.

Dagonet
Dagonet
5 years ago
Reply to  felix1999

No, no, no, coloring book. You know, Mo chopping the heads off of jews and infidels, female genital mutilation, husbands beating their wives, men (excuse the expression) raping their sex slaves,…

F- pisslam.

Daniel FX Dravot
Daniel FX Dravot
5 years ago
Reply to  Dagonet

This comic book?

http://islamcomicbook.com/

IzlamDownpressesHumanity
IzlamDownpressesHumanity
5 years ago

Did you notice that no one, literally no one has taken credit for creating that professional quality comic book? No one needs to wonder why.

Chrissy T
Chrissy T
5 years ago
Reply to  Mahou Shoujo

Exactly and all nicely covered in that book of sh1t to keep the circus going. You can excuse muzrats with their inbreeding for being so dumb, and globs as they’re using pisslam for their own agenda, but what excuses supposedly educated people?

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
5 years ago
Reply to  Chrissy T

Educated people, if they are muslims, are like trained monkeys, they can do a few tricks, but as for being educated, no they are not.

Cheryl
Cheryl
5 years ago
Reply to  Mahou Shoujo

Yes, who was that said if it weren’t for the death penalty, most people would leave islam…

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheryl

Some egyptian imam I think, in any event it is true, ignorance and violence are the only thing that allows islam to enslave muslims.

wall poster
wall poster
5 years ago
Reply to  Mahou Shoujo

the level of mind games in muslim’s heads must be dizzying …..they must have to block out so many thoughts that contradict what the quran commands them to do, that they lose touch with reality,that is why these lone wolves snap

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
5 years ago
Reply to  wall poster

That is why muslims tend to be on the mentally retarded side, trying to live a sequence of changing lies under continual threat of violence, added to being inbred, results in the subhuman creature that calls itself “muslim”.

Ron Cole
Ron Cole
5 years ago
Reply to  Mahou Shoujo

The Hatter thinks they may be good for fertilizer for our Garden.

What think You Mam>?

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
5 years ago
Reply to  Ron Cole

Mixed with well rotted pigshitt, they would be passable filler.

MerchantseamenD
Merchantseamen
5 years ago
Reply to  Mahou Shoujo

Mahou This is what I sent to the class clowns. I hope I did good.

Ladies and Gentlemen

This email is in regards to the March 14, public presentation entitled Islam 101 at
Golden West College in Huntington Beach, California. The presenter was
Nicole Bovey, a convert to Islam and public information officer at the
Islamic Institute of Orange County in Anaheim. Bovey also works with the
Muslim Speakers Bureau in Orange County (an arm of the Islamic Networks
Group). The presentation was sponsored by GWC professors Kaine Fini
(Anthropology) and Communications Professor Kristine Clancy

During
this presentation, these “professors” are bullying people for asking
questions in a public forum? Threatening them with Campus Police?

What are YOU afraid of? Are you so politically correct that you are afraid? Apparently so.

I suggest you take a good look in the mirror and ask yourself these questions.

Why am I a trustee?

Why am I an Administrator?

Why am I scared of my Professors?

Why is this institution submitting to Islamic blasphemy laws?

And the last question….What kind of person am I to allow this?

You
sit in your ivory tower and have been insulated through your academia.
You hawk your intelligence but have never lived. As a Merchant Seamen I
have visited some 17 countries. I have seen the dark side. A mother
takes her baby and ties its arms and intentionally cripples it so as to
use it as a prop to beg with. However I am sure that you do not want to
here of those things.

See no evil, speak no evil, hear no evil translates into evil.

Please
take this as constructive criticism. A point in your life to reevaluate
your life’s mission. You have the resources and the education to
research history and its bad actors. A lot of them are in positions of
power such as yourselves and did nothing. From either being afraid? The
feeling of power? Arrogance? Maybe the power of money.

Roll up
your sleeves and dig deep….look at all sides to what is happening
around the world. Not the CNN, FOX, MSNBC and definitely not late night
talk shows.

Please think about it

xxxxxxxx
xxxxxxx xx

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
5 years ago
Reply to  Merchantseamen

Well said, truthful, more information of the subhuman behaviour of muslims.

garyfouse
garyfouse
5 years ago
felix1999
felix1999
5 years ago
Reply to  garyfouse

Thank you!
I will watch that later.

IzlamDownpressesHumanity
IzlamDownpressesHumanity
5 years ago
Reply to  garyfouse

Thanks Mr. Fouse. How soon will it be before US law enforcement begins arresting islamofauxbs?

garyfouse
garyfouse
5 years ago

Sooner than we think if the rest of us don’t wake up.

IzlamDownpressesHumanity
IzlamDownpressesHumanity
5 years ago
Reply to  garyfouse

I met you once long ago, back when things were a lot less grim. Your public speaking skills are excellent.

garyfouse
garyfouse
5 years ago

Hey thanks. I don’t teach anymore so maybe they’re getting Rusty.

IzlamDownpressesHumanity
IzlamDownpressesHumanity
5 years ago
Reply to  garyfouse

So the last honest man in the UC system is gone.

garyfouse
garyfouse
5 years ago

Gone but still fighting.

felix1999
felix1999
5 years ago
Reply to  garyfouse

WOW, this will be a tough one to get through.

So she lived in Egypt Syria and Jordon for 10 years. She lies. I started looking at it. She goes to middle schools, high schools and some colleges. WHEN was the last time Christianity was allowed in a middle school, high school and some colleges? Then it’s separation of church and state!

After Abraham we have NOTHING in common. Isaac received his blessing not the illegitimate Ishmael. Lie number one. I will keep watching it.

1st Amendment baby!  MAGA!!
1st Amendment baby! MAGA!!
5 years ago

Sounds like it’s time for a free speech rally at Golden West College. Questions will be asked and broadcast over loudspeakers that can be heard clear to downtown Los Angeles.
1) How old was Mcgonad’s wife?
2) Why are Pisslamic women considered 2nd class citizens with few rights?
3) Would you adherents of Pisslam like some Pork Rinds?
4) Why do adherents of Pisslam hate our guts and want to kill us?
5) Why is Pisslam called the Religion of peace yet they have declared war on all infidels.
6) Why do they throw gays off of roof tops in Pisslamic nations?
I’m sure you can think of some more questions for the free speech rally.

Lynn D
Lynn D
5 years ago

7)Why did Mohammed say mice were vicious creatures that will burn your house down?
8) If a non muslim has 7 intestines, where do the six go to when you convert to Pisslam (they only have one).? 9)Also if every baby is born muslim and their parents corrupt them out of the faith, at what stage do they start growing extra intestines?
10) Why does Mohammed say that drinking camel urine is good for mussies?
11) Why does Mohammed state that you can only catch leprosy on a Wednesday?
12) if the above questions are things that Allah told Mohammed, Isn’t Allah a retard?

ICYMI
ICYMI
5 years ago

http://www.kctv5.com/story/37761109/muslim-engineer-sues-after-kansas-flap-over-malaysian-flag

Muslim engineer sues after Kansas flap over Malaysian flag

WICHITA, Kan. (AP) – A Muslim aerospace engineer has sued the Spirit Boeing Employees Association for religious discrimination stemming from a party at a lake in Wichita, Kansas.

The American Civil Liberties Union filed a federal lawsuit Friday on behalf of Munir Zanial, a Malaysian national of Indian ancestry.

The association declined to comment.

Zanial rented the group’s lake last year to host a party to celebrate Malaysian Independence Day. The lawsuit alleges the association reported him out of fear he used the lake to hold an Islamic State meeting.

It alleged an American flag that had been “desecrated ISIS symbols.” But the flag was actually a Malaysian flag and the guests included people of Malaysian Indian ancestry, some wearing hijabs.

felix1999
felix1999
5 years ago
Reply to  ICYMI

The ACLU is infiltrated by Muslims and run by our Jewish friends. They unite in going after Christians and defending Islam and the rest of the lefty agenda.

Phil McDonald
Phil McDonald
5 years ago

What “RACE” is Allah?

felix1999
felix1999
5 years ago

Since we are not a Sharia Law based country, what is she left with but to shut down those critical of Islam? She uses the campus police and being “victim” status. I’d like to see that video so I can fine tune my own education and my family. I’d like to see what she stumbled on.

santashandler
santashandler
5 years ago

It is interesting how, these so called “experts” on islam come so unprepared to talk about their own religion and utterly fall apart at ANY questions that they feel are critical. If you ask a Christian pastor, or a Rabbi, critical questions of their faiths, they would probably be all to happy to respond to criticism, as they know they are on solid ground.

IzlamDownpressesHumanity
IzlamDownpressesHumanity
5 years ago
Reply to  santashandler

There’s a rabbi in Palm Springs who sets up a public booth and will answer ALL COMERS about the Jewish faith.

Daniel FX Dravot
Daniel FX Dravot
5 years ago

A Rabbi goes to the airport in Hasidic garb – the hat, the beard, the long coat, the buttoned white shirt.

Another Jew, in modern dress, is annoyed by the Rabbi and unloads on him: “What’s wrong with you? Must you insist on parading around in that medieval get-up as if it were Purim? Don’t you realize how ridiculous you look? You bring nothing but scorn and embarrassment upon us Jews!”

After letting the angry man rant for a while, the Rabbi says, “I fail to understand what thee art saying. You do realize that I’m Amish, don’t you?”

The modern Jew’s anger quickly turns to embarrassment. “Oh, I beg your pardon,” he says apologetically. “I didn’t realize that you were Amish. You look so much like those Hasidic fellows. You should know that I have nothing but respect for you and your people – keeping to your ways without bowing to society’s wills and whims.”

The Rabbi then says, “Aha! If I were Amish, you would have nothing but respect for me. But because I am a Jew, you are ashamed of me. I hope one day you will have the same respect for yourself that you have for others.”

Achmed Mohammedan
Achmed Mohammedan
5 years ago

That is a very instructive story. Thanks.

IzlamDownpressesHumanity
IzlamDownpressesHumanity
5 years ago

That was good.

Nabi Rasch
Nabi Rasch
5 years ago
Reply to  santashandler

Yep. I remember when some 4 year olds asked the pastor if their dogs could go to heaven too. He didn’t hesitate, said ‘Nope!’ No pussy footing around, happy to take on anybody.

felix1999
felix1999
5 years ago
Reply to  Nabi Rasch

I don’t know… I’m going to stay optimistic and I made my requests for our pets.. Humans have a soul and a spirit. I believe animals only have a soul. If I am right and an animal only has a soul, why can’t that suffice for heaven? Why put a limit on God?

Further down In Isaiah 65 the Lord talks about what He is going to do after this earth passes away.

Isaiah 65:17

17] For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

Then there is this verse,Isaiah 65:25. It mentions animals. I am tempted to take it literally because of the context of the verse.
Why can’t God allow animals with just a soul?
Why put a limit on what is acceptable?

In Isaiah 65:25

[25] The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent’s meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.

Chrissy T
Chrissy T
5 years ago
Reply to  Nabi Rasch

That annoys me, animals are a creation of the good lord and are more deserving of a place in heaven than people

Nabi Rasch
Nabi Rasch
5 years ago
Reply to  Chrissy T

Forced by an unsympathetic and uninhibited audience to defend his pronouncement, the pastor explained that dogs don’t have a ‘soul’ and were, thus, ineligible. The intellectual interplay left me dazzled: both viewpoints carried the force of conviction.

IzlamDownpressesHumanity
IzlamDownpressesHumanity
5 years ago

So is law enforcement acting as brownshirts for the muslums now? Because at NSDAP party rallies, dissent wasn’t allowed and was dealt w/by force.

Tom Validakis
Tom Validakis
5 years ago

Christianity is an iron sword it can stand up to any scrutiny.
islam is a snowflake it can’t handle any scrutiny.
God the creator is in the heavens above.
allah is in the snowflakes.
http://www.islamcan.com/signsofallah/signs-of-allah-in-snowflakes.shtmlcomment image

Dan Knight
Dan Knight
5 years ago
Reply to  Tom Validakis

Great metaphor … You’re right. Without violence and terrorism to defeat it … we could melt Islam with an LED flashlight.

Nabi Rasch
Nabi Rasch
5 years ago

Gee. Pam’s tireless.

Dagonet
Dagonet
5 years ago
Reply to  Nabi Rasch

I’d like to find out for myself.

Nabi Rasch
Nabi Rasch
5 years ago
Reply to  Dagonet

Careful what you wish for–she’s likely a dominant. Remember what happened to the guy who groped Supergirl.

Robin Rosenblatt
Robin Rosenblatt
5 years ago

Cowards: Islam is Evil. It is a culture of War, Hate, Violence, Racist and Slavery. It is also a culture of lies and ignorance. It has nothing to add and never has. It must be destroyed or it will destroy us.

HARD FAST FACTS ABOUT ISLAM TODAY. Watch, learn, like and share!

https://www.facebook.com/TheIsraelNetwork/videos/650948178399829/

wall poster
wall poster
5 years ago

it would be awesome to memorize this and be able to rattle this off for our ignorant friends and relatives and the ignorant of their own faith- muslims

IzlamDownpressesHumanity
IzlamDownpressesHumanity
5 years ago

“Sorry, this video could not be played” on Fascistbook. Gee, colour me surprised…

Dagonet
Dagonet
5 years ago

I will call/email.

Pam you recorded the event, have you posted it for us to see? (Did I overlook it?)

F- pisslam.

David E Brown
David E Brown
5 years ago

Moslems have six different authorized methods of deception of non-Moslems (& Moslems!):
1•Taqiyya (Shi’a) or Muda’rat (Sunni): tactical deceit for the purposes of spreading Islam.

2•Kitman: deceit by omission.

3•Tawriya: deceit by ambiguity.

4•Taysir: deceit through facilitation (not having to observe all the tenets of Shari’a).

5•Darura: deceit through necessity (to engage in something “Haram” or forbidden).

6•Darura: the temporary suspension of Shari’a to make Moslem migrants appear ‘moderate’.

I think #3 applies here. And #6

David E Brown
David E Brown
5 years ago

“I mentioned that according to a hadith, one of Mohammad’s followers had asked who that referred to and Mohammad’s answer was that the former were the Jews and the latter Christians. Bovey danced all around it stating that she didn’t know about that and that she had her own perception of who those people might be.” So this woman knows what Mohammed meant better than Mohammed did? Sounds like # 1.

WatcherD
Watcher
5 years ago

A lie by omission when Professor Fini took her part: Christianity does not require a pilgrimage to these sites whether certified or not. A trip to Mecca is required.

PatriotlizD
Patriotliz
5 years ago

I’m surprised that the totalitarians allowed open questions instead of having to write your questions down on piece of paper which they collect and then they decide which questions would be allowed so that there are no “pointed” questions they don’t want to answer.comment image

leonore35
leonore35
5 years ago

Islam and the prophet of ‘allah’ are not to be questioned under any circumstances, to do so is either blasphemy or apostasy. There is in fact no ‘allah’ and everything was invented by Mohammad. It is easy to see in the quran and hadiths that when ‘allah’ was consulted by Mohammad he always got the answers he desired. Claiming to speak to ‘god’ is the usual practice of those claiming to be ‘prophets’. There is no evidence of them ever actually doing so!

JGray1
JGray1
5 years ago

we know what they are. no explanation is required any longer. destroy the nest and these cockroaches will shrivel up and die. that’s the answer.

Chrissy T
Chrissy T
5 years ago

The elephant in the room is that pisslam is sh1t, you’d have to be a moron to not see that by now. If you think JimJones and M Mason are justfine and dandy then you’ll be in love with pisslam

Cheryl
Cheryl
5 years ago

Oh, but you can say anything you want against Christians, Jews, Hindu’s, Buddhists…and they do it in their “house of worship” and on soapboxes on streets……….

David Square
David Square
5 years ago

I attended a similar Islam 101 forum in Winnipeg recently. During the question period, I asked why most Muslims are antisemites. The reaction was terrifying. The mostly pro-Islam audience started to boo loudly. Several males stood up and advanced toward me with raised fists screaming, “Liar, liar, liar.” If Muslims are not antisemites, why such an outburst of protestation to my question?

Dan Knight
Dan Knight
5 years ago
Reply to  David Square

Heck, I got that beat … (just kidding) … In a meeting of Democrats to work on a state house campaign in Alaska, they planned to smear our opponent – who was a spouse of a BP oil company executive – with the Exxon Valdez scandal. They were going to say – and did say – that the Valdez killed about 11,400 seals. So I said, ‘No. She can refute that because it’s a lie. They can get a copy of the State’s biology report, which I have read, and it says they only found about 150 dead seals. The larger number was made up by a [a state of Alaska bureaucrat in Juneau] and justified by ‘calculation.” … They went nuts. And physically threw me out of the meeting. (BTW that candidate was still in the state congress – the Alaska Senate in 2016.)

That’s how I became a Republican. 😉

David Square
David Square
5 years ago
Reply to  Dan Knight

The more Republicans the more sanity in the world.

Dan Knight
Dan Knight
5 years ago
Reply to  David Square

True.

IzlamDownpressesHumanity
IzlamDownpressesHumanity
5 years ago
Reply to  David Square

To say muslums aren’t antisemitic is a load of crap considering their religion is steeped in Jew hate.

NotTheMama
NotTheMama
5 years ago

So this class was really Islam Propaganda 101

As a convert to Islam was Ms Bovey just ignorant or purposely evasive?

garyfouse
garyfouse
5 years ago
Reply to  NotTheMama

She is a public information officer at the Anaheim mosque. She was evasive.

Poppey
Poppey
5 years ago

Those concerned need to ask of senior people in that place at another public meeting what they think they’re doing running a meeting with all the suppression of free speech and honest inquiry the Nazi party would have recognised.

Dan Knight
Dan Knight
5 years ago

Well – and this is the problem – the truth – an interpretation of facts that satisfies all observers, and hence may be taken as ‘objective’ until further information is known – is suppressed. And…

Facts are suppressed, Knowledge is suppressed. Everything is suppressed unless it passes through the Left’s censors. On every platform.

Under these circumstances offering a ‘vanilla’ presentation of Islam to a bunch of disinformed, brain-washed Pods … is a Big Lie. Even if the facts imparted are technically true – it is a lie of omission to leave out the bad bits and how the alleged ‘good’ bits fit into the whole.

To break Godwin’s law – the Nasties loved scouting, camping, hiking, athletics, health food, science, engineering, aerospace technology, and Roman and pagan pageantry – oh, and my fav – beer.

None of those things are bad in and of themselves, but none of it justifies Nastism – which btw is really just Leftism shaved, dressed in a nice pressed suit, and wrapped in a flag.

Heck – even I like falafels and women, and I don’t like Homobigotry. But that does not justify Islam nor its practice of defenestrating homosexuals. Anti-Murder of Gays makes one a homophobe, but don’t question Islam.

Women are good too, but that does not justify Islam’s double standards, misogyny, FGM, Right to Rape Kafirs, or pedophilia.

And we can go on and on …

Thomas Faddis
Thomas Faddis
5 years ago

Thank you for the contact information !

Alleged-Comment
Alleged-Comment
5 years ago

Don’t worry. You seem to have opened a lot of people’s eyes. Indeed the Professor was unprepared. She was just going to SHOVEL BULL SH IT about Moslems on you, that’s why.

Lucky people like you showed up. You showed up as real “fans”. 😉

Mark Schwendau
Mark Schwendau
5 years ago

When the war comes, and it will, there will be a lot of dead traitors piled up in America.

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