A congressman in New York suggested that if Democrats wanted to stop the conservative agenda being pushed by the White House, then attacking President Donald Trump was the way to go.
This is unbelievable. Could you imagine a Republican making this same suggestion against, say, Barack Obama?
Secret Service wouldn’t been all over the speaker — not to mention the mainstream media.
Here’s what happened, from New York Magazine:
In pursuit of the ever-popular Beltway sport of False Equivalence, it’s common to see today’s left-bent resistance to Donald Trump compared to right-wing extremist movements of the recent past, from the tea party movement to precincts further off in the fever swamps. This sort of talk is often the product of laziness or malice. But now and then something happens that makes left-right parallels unavoidable and accurate. One such incident, surprisingly, comes from the loose lips of a member of Congress, New York’s Tom Suozzi. According to the New York Post, the Nassau County Democrat had this to say about the remedies available to deal with Donald J. Trump during a town hall meeting last week:
“It’s really a matter of putting public pressure on the president,” Suozzi said in a newly released video of the March 12 talk in Huntington. “This is where the Second Amendment comes in, quite frankly, because you know, what if the president was to ignore the courts? What would you do? What would we do?”
A listener then blurts out, “What’s the Second Amendment?”
The left-leaning Democrat says, “The Second Amendment is the right to bear arms.
First time I read about this, I thought maybe Suozzi was joking. Apparently not.
Suozzi political adviser Kim Devlin denied the pol was “advocating for an armed insurrection.”
But the Suozzi campaign at the same time seemed to double down on the comments, as they forwarded a line penned by Thomas Jefferson that called for armed resistance.
“What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms,” the quote said.
The idea that the Second Amendment is intended to preserve the right of the people to undertake a violent revolution against some present or future “tyrannical” government is dangerously common on the political right. It’s usually articulated by those who oppose any firearm regulations whatsoever. But at a deeper level, the availability of “Second Amendment remedies” is the foundation stone of the militia movement, and represents a not-very-subtle threat from anti-democratic (not to mention anti-Democratic) activists of all sorts that there are rights — ranging from property rights to the so-called right to life of the unborn — that no popular majority will be allowed to violate perpetually without provoking righteous violence.
This Second Amendment–based right of revolution was embraced by 2016 Republican presidential candidates Ben Carson, Ted Cruz, and Mike Huckabee.
This sort of loose talk has largely been accepted as part of conventional conservative politics, though Donald Trump did raise some eyebrows during the 2016 general election by hinting that he might share it:
Repeating his contention that Mrs. Clinton wanted to abolish the right to bear arms, Mr. Trump warned at a rally here that it would be “a horrible day” if Mrs. Clinton were elected and got to appoint a tiebreaking Supreme Court justice.
“If she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks,” Mr. Trump said, as the crowd began to boo. He quickly added: “Although the Second Amendment people — maybe there is, I don’t know.”
So Suozzi is in some pretty strange company in adopting the Second Amendment remedies meme, including, perhaps, the man whose threats to the Constitution apparently pushed him in this direction in the first place.
I’m sure Suozzi will issue a “clarification” before the sun sets tonight. But his remarks should serve as an opportunity for left-of-center folk to swear off similar thinking once and for all. There are few things more frightening than the possibility that participants in today’s hyperpolarized partisan politics will all get into the habit of threatening to take up shooting irons to redress the imperfections of our political system. Progressives would be well-advised to leave this sort of extremist reasoning to the gun nuts and the wing nuts.
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Watch what you wish for Democrats! The plan sounds like a good way to rid this country of a lot of liberals once the majority of gun owners decide to return fire!
A wish democrats can make true, just be being their usual stupid selves.
We should watch what we wish for as well. Vigilantism tends to metastasize well beyond its original boundaries. Today it’s a Bernie supporter, tomorrow it’s someone who isn’t enthusiastic enough about President Trump…
I really can’t see it ever becoming THAT bad in the U.S.A.
We’re talking about shooting back, & defending our homes & families, not rounding people up for execution.
Bring it on!
So a group of people that don’t know what gender they are, which bathroom to use, eat tide pods and are afraid of guns are going to rebel against Patriots that own and are not afraid of guns? I don’t think it is going to end well for your side. Go ahead and bring it on and good luck!
They kill babies too
Most tend to forget that. But the recompense for their slaughter will be, someday, felt universally within this nation which legalized their bloodshed.
The Scriptures are crystal clear about that (as it was throughout the history of Israel and Judah who also, routinely, shed innocent blood). Nations reap what they sow: The biblical principle of reciprocity.
As the West turned it’s collective backs on God, they increasingly embraced humanism along with many ungodly practices. I would often wonder how much more would/could God tolerate before His cup became full and He would declare ” enough “. I think 2nd Thessalonians chapter 2 gives good insight to todays madness, it’s only a few paragraphs but well worth the read. The US retains a core faith and I believe that’s why that murderer isn’t in the oval office and why Trump is. God has used him to get some things done ( Jerusalem ) and isn’t finished with him yet.
In Canada, the Left has dominated for a while – we have no abortion restrictions at all and all cost are covered by the taxpayers, and any political candidate dare not bring his/her faith into the open, unless it’s humanism, lest they be shredded by the press. Our PM here, Trudeau, has shamefully used tax money ( 600 million ) to fund abortions abroad after Trump cut such funding. He is actively controlling the media and is bringing in legislation to prosecute ” islamophobia “,effectively taking away our freedom of speech.
Europe, the UK, Canada – are we all just getting what we deserve or is a much bigger part of Gods’ timetable at play and all of this madness is just a part of it. A case could be made for either but with the recent fulfillment of some more biblical prophecies ( Rev.12 ) and what the whole Jerusalem as capital might mean, I’m leaning towards the bigger picture.
As far as what is happening in and to US society, the breakdown at so many levels, in so many core institutions, has been so brilliantly covert that it has gone unnoticed for the most part and has only recently reared its ugly head. The division between left and right, black and white, white and everything bad, the poor and the rich – is nothing new but the intensity is. America is ripping itself apart with the aid of all that is Left and her tipping point is closer than many think
As a retired pastor (more than 46 years in the ministry) I cannot disagree with anything you said. I’ve warned about the judgment of God facing America and the West to predominately deaf ears.
You, as a student of Scripture, clearly understand what most don’t.
This small window of opportunity God has granted America, through the miraculous election of Donald Trump, is merely a brief reprieve to offer individuals/our nation time to repent and turn to the Lord Jesus Christ for salvation.
Unfortunately, most are straying further and further away from God. We now live in a post-Christian era to our own detriment.
In the early 80’s (while teaching prophecy) people would ask why America is not mentioned among the landscape of nations at the end times. I couldn’t answer with any degree of certainty then. But I surely know now.
Judeo-Christian civilization faces His judgment unless we soon repent.
” This small window of opportunity God has granted America ” – every night I give thanks to God for exactly that and pray that many would come to Christ. It is as you have stated, a ” brief reprieve “, and I believe He has done this for the sake of the remnant that still honour Him and His Word.
Americas’ inner war drums are sadly beating louder and louder, a standoff seems inevitable. A world without an America or even just a fractured one, and a Europe, UK and Canada under Islamic domination, are all very unpleasant thoughts, yet it is that direction that we appear to be going.
God has judged the world before. Are we entering His final judgement ? I could see the muslem world soon rising up in rage against Israel for the whole capital issue, and the subsequent level of violence necessitating the annexation of the rest of Jerusalem. If that were to happen, what would restrain the Temple builders any longer and in short order after that, the restitution of the daily sacrifice. Not only would this fulfill even more prophecies but it would open the door to the final chapter. I am not saying this is going to happen, even though we both know that that Day is coming. I am only offering this as a possible scenario which seems to fit the almost inexplicable things we see happening world wide. The only consolation I find these days are in His words and we need to remind ourselves and others to ” fear not for He has overcome the world “. Be well brother and God bless.
Can’t disagree even with your ‘scenario.’ I pray you and yours will remain encouraged as we see the Day rapidly approaching. MARANATHA!
“Turn to the Lord Jesus Christ for Salvation”? What I see as possibly a bigger problem, is saved people turning their back on God, & living their lives as bad or worse than the unsaved.
One need only to look at what God did to Israel when they turned their back on Him.
The Church is as Scripture foretold it would be in the last days: Apostate and Lukewarm. My primary appeal is to those who don’t know Christ at all. Their souls are at stake and time is running out!
For the record: Both need to repent!
Agreed. While backsliding & apostacy is a huge problem for the Church, the primary need overall is for people to get saved, the Holy Spirit will work on them from the inside, like He did with me. Hopefully they’ll listen.
1973…my second year in Christian ministry as a pastor. What a great year for both of us! May God continue to sustain and prosper you, in these last days, as you reach others with the gospel of His cross and reconciliation.
Thank you Pastor. In my life, June ’73 certainly was a time to remember. I got saved travelling across country and remained “unchurched” for quite a few years, but with the Holy Spirit tugging at my heart.
When my life really changed was in ’98 when I gave my life to Him completely, & how wonderful it’s been since then, as no one can out give God, & I pray every morning that he will order my day, that it be prosperous, & that I do all according to His will.
It’s still a daily battle against the flesh though, like with the anger & frustration I sometimes feel when I see the news etc. about what’s going on around the World & here in America, & I pray that my emotions/passions not lead me to sin against Him in the posts I write on blogs like this.
If I told people, the unsaved, as well as Christians that don’t walk with Him, the miracles He’s done & still does in my life, they wouldn’t believe me.
I’m reminded of II Chron 16:9 where Gods Word says “For the eyes of the Lord run to and fro throughout the whole Earth, to show Himself strong in the behalf of them whose heart is perfect before Him.”
Not that I’m “perfect” in the way the word’s used today, but in a Biblical sense, when my sins are confessed, & I’m striving to do His will in all things.
It’s a joy to find a “kindred spirit” such as yourself here on this blog, and I pray that He will also continue to bless & protect you, your family and your ministry.
Please add me to your prayer list.
What a marvelous testimony regarding Christ’s resurrection power to save, deliver and perfect His saints. Yours is like that of mine and countless others as we make our way toward home.
Consider your request DONE! You will remain on my prayer list until my dying breath and I’ll, most assuredly, look forward to meeting you in glory where we shall enjoy and rejoice in the presence of the Lamb forever! Maranatha!
Amen. Thank you Pastor.
Trump gets a lot of support from inside and outside the USA than what the democraps like people to believe. Democraps are evil, there’s nothing democratic about them hence their luv of muzrats
Wow. Just horrible. It is impossible to truly foresee how a civil war in America would unravel. But I can tell you, it would not be pretty for anyone. There would be pocket vigilante groups everywhere. Riots. Mass exterminations. There is no limit of depth of depravity when it comes to a vengeful heart. I pray that the left does not resort to insurrection. They would be fools to do so. And the right would be fools to return fire. When the dust settles, the right MUST remain RIGHTEOUS.
Let me see if I grasp your “comment”. You stated that, ” … And the right would be fools to return fire.” If I am fired upon, I should simply allow them to kill me … as I would be a fool to “return fire”.
Assisted suicide.
That makes a great deal of sense.
Why would the right be ‘fools to return fire?’ What are you suggesting
By sitting around and getting murdered, how would that protect anyone?
And how would that be “RIGHTEOUS”?
LOL, rest assured if fired upon I WILL return fire with intent to kill.
Don’t get in the way.
Bwhahahahahahahahahaha. Yeah maybe you can inscribe that on your tombstone fool.
Why is this person not charged with treason and sedition as well as inciting revolution? But, do bring it on, it will be a good time to clear the air of a lot of trash talk from democrats and their muslim owners.
Exactly, and he is not the first Liberal/Marxist putz to threaten the President and the nation’s stability. Liberalism, Marxism with a stench of a rotting corpse; the sooner Radical Liberalism is aborted from any politics the Republic and the world will become a better place. I, like many, am so F’n sick and tired of this bilious treacherous lost.
Sedition is not illegal. Check our history and court cases.
Then go commit some seditious acts. Or incite some. Go ahead. I dare ya.
Sedition is the crime of
revolting or inciting revolt against government. However, because of the
broad protection of free speech under the first amendment, prosecutions
for sedition are rare. … Governments have made sedition illegal since time immemorial.
Treason and sedition don’t apply because for this to come into play, Trump would have to be defying lawful court decisions a la Andrew Jackson. SUCK IT UP, buttercup!
The only thing that sucks, is you. Why do you pretend to be a lawyer? There are at least four legitimate lawyers that I am aware of on this forum, you look stupid because you are stupid.
Agreed. I hasn’t been that long ago that a loyalty oath was required as part of the hiring process with its asking, “Are you now, or ever have been, in a group that favored violent overthrow of the United States?”
Come on! Trump said the same veiled threat against Hillary. I don’t like it when either side does it; but the extreme ire over this wayward loony comment when a Dem does it, from people who didn’t bat an eyelash when Trump did it, strikes me as highly hypocritical, unprincipled, and opportunistic.
Politicians from both sides have been known to be all those things.But it doesn’t help raise the level of debate on the real issues, to say the least.
Politics is blood sport. If you play the game, it will set the rules.
That’s true! And in that case, both Trump, and Suozzi, were “playing by the rules.” And so were you, and so was I. Is this a great country, or what?!?
What? Easy, the first rule is there are no rules.
Right, I think that’s what we’re both saying. In which case, it’s not against the rules to call out the other side’s hypocrisy. (I’m perfectly fine when y’all do that to folks on the Dem side, too. My loyalty is to truth, justice, and the American Way, not partisan identity politics.
Partisan politics are lethal to good government. They introduce dogma and ritual that instead of serving democracy, are served by it. Unfortunately too many people are tribal, they seek their personal individuality inside some group they identify with.
“Trump said the same veiled threat against Hillary.” Proof please.
You’re asking for proof? The Trump quote I’m referring to is cited in full, right there in the article in Ms. Geller’s newsletter:
“This sort of loose talk has largely been accepted as part of
conventional conservative politics, though Donald Trump did raise some eyebrows during the 2016 general election by hinting that he might share it:
Repeating his contention that Mrs. Clinton wanted to abolish the right to bear arms, Mr. Trump warned at a rally here that it would be “a horrible day” if Mrs. Clinton were elected and got to appoint a tiebreaking Supreme Court justice.
“If she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks,” Mr. Trump said, as the crowd began to boo. He quickly added: “Although the Second Amendment people — maybe there is, I don’t know.”
So Suozzi is in some pretty strange company in adopting the Second
Amendment remedies meme, including, perhaps, the man whose threats to
the Constitution apparently pushed him in this direction in the first place.”
Now, sir: if all you’re quibbling about is that “Although the Second Amendment people — maybe there is, I don’t know.” does not use exactly the same words verbatim that Suozzi did — I can’t argue with you, there, because you’re right. But if you are trying to argue that it didn’t have the same nuance and intent — as any reference to a “Second Amendment remedy” in relation to “taking out” an opposing politician necessarily does — then I can’t argue with you there, either, because that’s “not even wrong.” Meaning, we don’t even share the same understanding of what nuance is, in order to have a meaningful conversation about it.
But yes, that’s what I was referring to.
this is the reason to take away guns, so you can not defend yourself against such air heads. Obama or Clinton would have taken this guy out for walk to never return. The democratic way.
And this is the same scum who want to disarm the law abiding
So, lemme get this straight.
After years of bashing it, now the democrats are FOR the Second Amendment?!
Correct me if I’m wrong here but, I haven’t exactly seen Trump rounding up, and imprisoning and executing people.
THAT is what the Second Amendment was for.
Not to for a bunch of whining snot nose tantrum brats who didn’t like an electoral decision.
Jez-uh, the Dumb-o-Rats have no morals, values, principles, or scruples.
Lousy as Republicans can be, and have been, there wasn’t one that called for arming up to get Odumba out.
On the bright side, probably the vast majority of their constituents wouldn’t know the business end of a rifle from its butt.
Or theirs either for that matter.
Yes. If it suits them at the moment, the want it. That’s another two faced demoRat for you. If anyone needs to be shot, it’s a POS like him.
Leftists arming up and attempting this would be a good show. Heck it probably would be a great show, short lived but great. The firepower of the Secret Service is impressive enough, add the US military and…
add the Militia-in-being which represents the arms-bearing American patriots.
God forbid that things get so bad law enforcement and even our National Guard can’t handle it. These are folks who need safe spaces if they hear words they don’t like, imagine the trauma of seeing one of their armed social justice warriors get their brains exposed to air. Plus many of the militia types I’ve met I wouldn’t trust to protect my critters let alone the President…
Whom do you trust? The F_i-B?
I trust the line staff of the FBI with enforcement actions more than I trust you and a bunch of vigilantes…
Maybe you belong in a different country, then. Don’t let the door hit you in the ass on your way out.
With your attitude, I surely would NOT want you in a foxhole with me.
‘A bunch of vigilantes’. Screw you.
Thanks, I think almost as highly of you…
Yeah the F_I-B has really been living up to its motto of late — if you’re a muslum POS that is.
Thanks for illustrating my last point about you and vigilantism. Off to school now sonny, that jr high class bell waits for no one…
Yeah and the Las Vegas shooter wasn’t a muslum. Go find yourself a big sand pile, a 5 lb. sledge hammer and hammer all that sand right up your rectum.
Aww did I go pee pee in juniors Cherios? Double up on the psych meds, maybe that’ll help…
Why isn’t this piece of human garbage already facing charges. The fact that he is receiving tax payer dollars while doing this, makes it all the worse.
Charges for what?
Ok, I’ll spell out the obvious for you. Threats against the President.
Does not apply because of the threshold required.
You’re joking, right?
No, I am serious. If you heard the whole remark, the threshold is that Trump is ignoring a final court decision (after all appeals have been exhausted)…which by that point means that Trump is acting outside his legal authority with no other check on him.
What final court decision. And either way, what does that have to with threats against a President in office. Do you condone such behavior.
And either way, what does that have to with threats against a President in office.
I don’t agree that Suozzi’s statement constitutes a threat. Only a snowflake does, because of the preconditions.
What final court decision.
Exhaustion of all appeals.
Do you condone such behavior.
Yes as it’s not violent in nature (unless Trump does go lawless).
You condone threats against the President….that says enough.
That’s not a threat. A threat would be something advocating violence for actions within his purview.
Then, you clearly don’t know what constitutes a threat.
“Progressives would be well-advised to leave this sort of extremist reasoning to the gun nuts and the wing nuts.” Nice ending line .. as “progressives” ARE “wingnuts”.
Oh won’t the Left be so surprised? Please, Suozzi I beg you, BRING IT.
Uh, Rorke’s Drift, anyone?
Yeah, except the Zulus were warriors, these a-holes are simply legends in their own minds.
Bring it on!
This Democratic Congressman or any gaggle of comrades involved are treasonous; indictment is the next step if this nation is to remain a Democracy, Constitutional Republic.
He exemplifies the cause of the deep-seeded psychosis embedded in the Democratic Party, which is not Democratic in the least. The leftist progressives’ endeavor to usurp the president via the FBI is foundering, askew and devoid of facts. The Democrats’ resolution is childlike tantrums for losing the presidency. If this fetid piece of excrement, in truth a Bolshevik, is not tired of sedition the corruptness and perfidy must be extricated, purged from the system.
Where is the treason? I’ll wait. Sedition doesn’t apply either.
Folks who know where this bloke lives might consider having a ring around because some village is missing it’s idiot.
Molon Labe.
Exactly.
Samantha Power just threatened The President with unspecified action from intel agents for his tweet about Brennan. She has warned Trump several times, hinting at assassination.
I have a hunch if that happens it will be the first shot in a true civil war. It would also create a martyr and a rallying point…they would be destroying themselves.
Bring it! Better hope you, your fellow muslum collaborators and muslum voter base don’t lose.
Armed aggression is coming, but it’s not going to be against President Trump.
In an armed conflict in this country between republicans and democrats, it would last about a week and republicans would run everything. Not sure how this guy is helping his cause with this.
Where in the world did you get that photo of my Liberal sister-in-law????
Here in Wisconsin the architect of Fast & Furious (Eric the Red Holder) is advocating for Dems to bring knives.
https://www.westernjournal.com/obamas-ag-eric-holder-challenges-gop-to-knife-fight-were-gonna-do-it/
This man is mentally ill and should be hospitalized. Any democrat who makes a similar statement is mentally ill, no rational person will ever make such a statement.
What a c*ck ass MORON.
If anything that should have had an ARMED rebellion was when your dear Negro sodomite and USURPER showed up at the White House January 2008 and promptly put his dirty gawdamn feet on the desk and proceeded to bark orders through his fatt lips.
HAHAHAHAHAHA,Yeah,an assassination attempt by leftists will go over REAL big…..Stupidity and Hypocrisy,2 of the leftists prime character traits are clearly visible..
They done went and gone clean off the rails……..
Semper Fi
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He said “what if the courts failed in their duty, then 2/nd Amendment action”. Who would disagree on that? Cuz Trump? I say even Trump if corruption gets much worse. If FBI, CIA, Courts, open borders,Colleges, dangerous illegals–the swamp-
New York Democraptic politicians are riddled with mental illness.
@RepTomSuozzi
This is ridiculous and must be based on the utterings of a certifiable nut job. There are five million of us law abiding members of the NRA who own millions of weapons and billions of rounds of ammo. If we were really going to be a problem, don’t you think you would be aware of it by now?
The Second Amendment was written to address the tyranny of King George III of England, not for the convenience of deer hunters or armed insurrection. Its most common use now is self-defense.
Be safe, be trained, be alert.
Sounds like a Communist, deport the asshole.
Some of the people in the audience didn’t know what the 2nd. amendment is, oh boy and they vote?????
Anyone notice the drop in price on AR type rifles. Also, the drop in price of bulk ammo. Seems like a good time to stock up. Molon Labe!
Terrorist…. Open rebellion…. Civil war proponent. Needs jail
Does not apply because the presumption is by that point, the POTUS is acting outside of his authority. Treason and edition are also out for the same reason.
Bring it ON, Tom! There is a 168-grain remedy for you and your ilk.
Bring it on,bring it on.. the best way to start out afresh.
This should be fun.
Trumpers against the Gun Free Commune.
At some point, our freedom supersedes the government. If the people democratically elect a tyrant or govern in a tyrannical, un-Constitutional manner, it is up to us to protect our God-given rights. We can never concede our God given rights. The problem with the issue is that Trump is a Constitutional president. Speculations and fear mongering is given currency by the fake media, Demogogues, and radicals. Every action by the President has been rational, timely and appropriate. We are seeing insight that have totally eluded pundits from the right and left. The alligators and crocodiles occupying the DC swamps, that have been enriching themselves for decades at the public trough, rightly fear a reformer like Trump.
It sounds treasonous to me.
What about charges of sedition and treason? What would’ve happened if the same was said in regards to soetoro?
Shows just how despicable & desperate the left is.