Macron said: “What I’d like to get done in the first half of 2018 is set down markers on the entire way in which Islam is organised in France” and “bring back what secularism is all about”
Clearly, then, he was talking about reasserting the separation of religion and state when it comes to Islam. But that was too much for the leader of the Muslims in France, Ahmet Ogras, who told Macron to back off. One would think that if the Muslims were in France to assimilate and become loyal, productive citizens, that they would have no problem with Macron’s statement. But they aren’t, and they aren’t going to accept any dictation from the President of the country. That ought to tell Macron something, but it probably won’t.
“INTERVIEW-Muslim leader urges Macron not to meddle too much in French Islam,” by Julie Carriat, Reuters, February 14, 2018:
PARIS, Feb 14 (Reuters) – A leading representative of French Muslims urged Emmanuel Macron not to meddle in the organisation of France’s second-largest religion, days after the president said he would try to redefine relations between Islam and the state.
The rebuke came from the leader of an organisation set up 15 years ago in a bid to defuse concern about radical preachers and foster a more homegrown form of Islam that would fit better with France’s traditional separation of church and state affairs.
“Everyone must stick to their role,” Ahmet Ogras, president of the French Council of the Muslim Faith (CFCM), told Reuters in an interview.
“The Muslim faith is a religion and, as such, takes care of its own household affairs. The last thing you want is the state to act as guardian,” said Ogras, a Frenchman of Turkish descent who has led the CFCM since mid-2017.
Macron, elected last May after a runoff victory over far-right leader Marine Le Pen, said in a Feb. 11 newspaper interview he planned to revisit the way Islam was overseen.
“What I’d like to get done in the first half of 2018 is set down markers on the entire way in which Islam is organised in France,” he told the Journal du Dimanche. The priority would be to “bring back what secularism is all about”….
Macron has been under pressure to deal firmly with radical preachers and mosques since a wave of attacks in which Islamist militants killed more than 230 people in France since 2015….
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Of course, Orthodox Islam does not see any reason to reform their religion, because their 1400 years Jihad is so successful. We need a large anti-Jihad front to compel them to do so or being banned from non-Muslim countries.
… useless word ‘Orthodox’ -> there is only ONE iSSlam
It’s ALL the same.
Agree. If you speak the truth about islam and the perfect man they’ll find you and “keel” you like the muslims in Indianapolis are trying to do https://tinyurl.com/y9wb4j39
Is sure hope “Jupiter” who is too “complex” for Q ans A’s, reforms Islam!
What a HOOT that would be. A light must have gone on in the boy toy’s head that there is a problem with Islam. Rolling my eyes. Let’s watch Macron fix it, “Jupiter” style.
don’t provoke muslims if you know what’s good for you. mohammad said that islam will rule the west, so get out of the way. Islam is in the west to stay and dominate
Oh go away, you are pathetic.. (We KNOW where you live.. so look out)
“Fortunately for Israel, Muslims from different countries will never come
together to fight it because thay hate each other as much as they hate
Jews and Infidels – just look at Iran and Saudi Arabia. This primitive,
1400-year-old hatred will ensure that Islam won’t be dominating anywhere
in the civilised world, despite what many Muslims believe.”
But muslums have come together to attack Israel on multiple occasions:
1. the War of Independence in ’48’
2. the Six Day War in ’68’
3. Yom Kippur War in ’73’
I wish Pamela would ban YOU from this site, goat-lover…..
These wild fantastical rantings are part and parcel from someone who has not only gone off his psyche meds but, has syphillis from plowing the town’s donkey one too many times. Now, there’s no cure for what you have. The best thing to do is stay off the keyboard, because your posts are getting more and more deranged. And nobody takes you seriously anyway. Proof the disease has really gotten a hold of you. So, go have yourself a glass of camel piss and just ride it out. Cheers!
These wild fantastical rantings are part and parcel from someone who has not only gone off his psyche meds but, has syphillis from plowing the town’s donkey one too many times. Now, there’s no cure for what you have. The best thing to do is stay off the keyboard, because your posts are getting more and more deranged. And nobody takes you seriously anyway. Proof the disease has really gotten a hold of you. So, go have yourself a glass of camel piss and just ride it out. Cheers!
I’ve got it! Are you PG and using these silly postings that you send just to wind everyone up???
Gotcha!
muslim population in USA
2001: 0,9%
2010: 2,6%
2018: 4,1%……… and GROWING!
Islam is taking over the west step by step. FACT
Where are all the Muslim at in the USA? In Michigan? US population = 330 million x 4.1% (0.041) = 13.5 million?
2007 USA Muslims population = 0.6% = 2 million = https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_the_United_States#Religious_affiliations_in_2004
Everything is growing, including insanity, annoyance, disgust, amongst other sentiments. I believe it shall not be as you say, for the matter is not stagnate, and the way of things is known. People know, people from all countries.
Many things are growing.
ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF GOAT FU**ERS. The koran says so.
That’s what I keep warning on fb & twitter & i keep getting banned for hate speech. But when Muslims say it, it’s just ‘free speech’? Oh ok, i get it.
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah! Pull the string and get the same response everytime. Thank you for your annoying but predictable response, Scarecrow.
Tired and annoying response.
Let’s try something different, Scarecrow. Sell me on the virtues of Pislam. First, let’s look at the evidence of this sick ideology. It demonizes and seeks to destroy all those that don’t follow this sick ideology. Where it does dominate a geographical area, it then turns it sites on its own followers and destroys its own. What person with a brain would subscribe to such a sick ideology?
And you described its biggest flaw : just like all the collectivisms, it is not sustainable.
Pakistan claims to have an a-bom, but seismic readings show it was just a lot of tnt.
That means that not one Muuslem country has an a-bom. that is what you get if teaching physics is forbidden, because their god can change the laws of physics anytime, so why bother.
Just like Lenin, Stalin, Mugabe, Chavez : if you kill, expropriate or expel all your farmers, what you are left with is starvation.
So they continue to do what they have done for 1400 years : loot, pillage and rape. It is the only “economic activity” they are familiar with, as nothing would grow in the desert it originated.
The pakioopsstanis would say they have the AllPowerful Allah on their side, which makes any atom bomb rather weak by comparison!
You obviously dont understand that Islam is the religion of the DEVIL. The koran was CURSED IN THE HOLY BIBLE 96. AD. Further proving allah is the DEVIL OF THE TRIBULATION.
I thought Muslims came to the West begging to ‘seek’ a better life or was that a lie too?
VOTE LE PEN! Next time or your all fkd!
Viv la France!
Proactivity is priceless. After the fact is not always a fail, but there are costs to bear.
“their 1400 years Jihad is so successful.”
Far from it. You’d think after 1400 yrs all humans would be converted. Instead there are more kuffars than ever, and command more armies and wealth than the ummah do. And now the fastest growing is EX-muslim. The 1400 yrs of jihad is coming to an end. ISIS was one of the last gasps.
… and do not bother allah by His way to world domination https://quran.com/8/39 over the ‘worst of creatures’ (too coward naming the enemy) https://quran.com/98/6-7 executed by jihadis https://quran.com/4/74-76 … to win ‘Paradise’ https://quran.com/9/111
One thing might stop that… I posted this on another article (about Iran): “Fortunately for Israel, Muslims from different countries will never come
together to fight it because thay hate each other as much as they hate
Jews and Infidels – just look at Iran and Saudi Arabia. This primitive,
1400-year-old hatred will ensure that Islam won’t be dominating anywhere
in the civilised world, despite what many Muslims believe.”
Like all brothers, they will unite when attacked from the outside.
Nope. The branches hate each other even more than they hate the rest of us–view their ‘brothers’ as worse than apostates–a special kind of creep. The best, most honest thing about them.
Yup, each sect things THEY ARE THE REAL ISLAM!
So they fight themselves.
“So before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was
me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family
against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; and the
tribe against the world. And all of us against the infidel.”
―
Leon Uris,
The Haj
That’s another one for my reading list.
If the Muslims can’t organize militarily to take down Israel, then I doubt if they can take down Europe / The West by conventional means. That is why they are invading the West as fake refugees and other migrants. Does Israel allow unrestricted immigration? No. This is the key to Israel’s survival and the survival of the West.
See the book:
— Stealth invasion : Muslim conquest through immigration and resettlement Jihad https://lccn.loc.gov/2016035955
Naively optimistic. Islamic chaos will dominate. So there will be no ‘civilised world’.
https://sunnah.com/bukhari/78/163 As the Muslims, Macron (& Pamela Geller) ‘… should speak what is good OR KEEP SILENT.’
vs. 1st amd.
… and to destroy itself
As soon as they a certain percentage of the population then their third-world stoneage demands are presented.
You let the scum in and now suffer the consequences. In Poland we laugh at Western Europe as you turn into Eurabia. We understand disctatorships and Islam is the ultimate dictatorship designed by a mass murderer and paedophile.
Macron is a young ideological fool like Canada’s Trudeau ……….and those French who allowed it to thrive in France will one day reap the whirl wind….its a war and we are in the first stage….it will only get worse from here….Remember it was Turkeys President who said there is no such thing as Moderate Islam….The term “Moderate Islam” is a western terminology use to slowly pacify the west into submission……
Surely not as bad as Trudeau who, as one example, appointed a Somali ‘Canadian’ minister of immigration and has the weirdest looking cabinet in the world. Nobody is as addled as Trudeau.
The french will grovel in submission to any demands made by muslims. If the french were interested in controlling muslim violence, they would have not elected the appeasing toady of islam as president. france is a total write off, there is nothing that can be done for it, as it will do nothing for itself.
Isn’t the French battle flag all white?
Or yellow.
Oh God (oops I meant Allah), not the cracked record of doom yet again.
Please get a brain transplant or something, you’re amost as bad as the “Trump can’t ban our cult of Mo” joker here.
By waltzing down the garden path, like all of western europe has done, with its head in the clouds and feet in the mud, you are fooling yourselves by spending your national treasuries on welfare for useless muslim consumers who have no intention of assimilating or contributing to the nation. Then you pseudo legalize it with multicultural legislation, finally borrowing money against your children’s future to pay for your socialist attempts at being a “socialist stupid power” like sweden. Look at the fools the european union are, and the idiotic plans to spread muslim welfare colonists across everywhere they can bully into taking them.
“It is the nature of islam to dominate not to be dominated, to impose it’s law upon all nations and to extend it’s power to the entire planet” Hasan Al Banna founder muslim brotherhood.
yep …thats true …. for good reasons ..
Indonesian muslum monkey want a banana?
insulting people is part of your life …
islam and muslims are an insult to both heaven and earth.
you need to speak up what you believe about islam …
dare to do it ???
why are you keep hiding under fake name ??? …
is that the way of a leader ????
why don’t you appear in public ….
oh don’t worry …. chicken is always be a chicken …
hehehehe…
hehehe is urdu for Alla is a devil and mutgonad, police beat upon him, is a a goat. Why do you appear in public under the fake cult of islam?
indonesians stink badly ????
yeah i admit it … that westerners like you are always smell good … even your feces smell like Armani ….
LOL, well done.
You muslims always were ass kissers, goats, camels, anything.
Prove that you are semur jenkolmaknyus.
why me ?????
you are the attacker …
you pretend to be a brave person in your mission to destroy islam …
but funnily …you keep hiding under your fakename ..
You are the one who thinks he is what he says he is, which is what?
He or she was not insulting people but muzzrats. There is a difference in case you do not know.
your mom has been success in raising person with thuggish and insulting mentality like you …
Does your mom have less than 4 feet?
islam will not be dominated, it will be destroyed.
Again, I have to ask why we only read stories like this on Geller’s website? It’s very important.
Macon, France’s revitalization of the Sun King more than likely grabbed a Depends when being commanded not to meddle with Islam. France, Germany and its EU counterparts are impotent, flaccid when it comes to their Islamic Overlords. Capitulation, in the mindset of the French, is a forte, an asset of the French Republic. Moreover, tossing in the towel is historically inherent; France’s Islamist conquerors are savvy to the fact, history will repeat itself.
If France can “dethrone” the monarchy and the Catholic Church during the French Revolution, France can do it again with Islam. Today, the same method will have to be employed that was used in the French revolution:
Method = Guillotine
islam changes france … not the other way around ….
..for good reasons …
islam is the earthy precursor of eternal hell. mutgonad, police beat upon him, is the devil’s disciple.
you won’t be able to destroy islam while keep hiding somewhere under fake name ..
you are true chicken coward ..
You are known to be a cackling idiot who will contribute more to the destruction of islam than any dozen Crusaders.
wow… that sounds very high-tech way to destroy islam ….
btw i have the list of muslims targets for your drones :
london
paris
brussel
new york
moscow
etc ..etc ..
let me know when the bombing mission accomplished …
hehehehe…
Oh don’t you worry about that, you see, your idiot fellow muslims all congregate in their little ghetto’s so they can live apart from us… Which means they can easily be isolated, their water and electricity, even cellphone reception shut off,, then surrounded. so they can’t get out. Then it’s SEND IN THE KILLER DRONES…All very civilized, by your standards.. It can even be televised, while we sit back with our drinks in hand and cheer…
Many many thanks … for exposing again and again … the inherent hard-wired Nazi style mentality of people like you …
You are repeating the history …. for another total defeat in the end …
You are talking like frustrated Germans in early 20th century ….
hehehehe…
A muslum complaining about nazis? It’s like Hitler complaining about antisemitism.
islam invites jews to become muslims … and countless have converted to islam …
moses & torah is part of islamic narration …
where was 6 millions jews murdered ???? …in muslim’s land ???
where is people with Nazi styled mentality like you are living ????? …. in muslim’s land ???
“Invites”, a hilariously dishonest euphemism for what it really is.
hehehehe urdu for “I am a stupid inbred that can’t read”.
its hard not to expose your hard-wired Nazi style mentality …ain’t it ???
are they representing whole muslims ????
No, just their worst part — which is 99% of them.
Women are arrested in Indonesia for having skirts that aren’t long enough!
The best part is that the muhadajeen waste money on military hardware that is useless, the next generation of isis will be bacha bazi beggar boy whores, you will find gainful employment as choreographer.
The real chicken cowards are the muslims that attack babies in baby buggies, school children and unarmed bystanders. You mighty muhadajeen, if you were toilet trained, would catch your short peckers in your zippers.
Q: Why do muslum men wear thobes?
A: a sheep can hear a zipper from a mile away!
Please educate us about the good things Islam does. Umm let’s see.. Scientic discoveries = none. Medical advancements = none. Humanitarian aid = NONE Equal rights = No… Poetry.. nothing since the Iliad of Omar Khayan. Music = No = not allowed.. the Arts = no not allowed either.. Okay hmm um entertainment = nope not allowed either… Happiness = haven’t ever seen anything that makes us believe you can be happy with Islam, Unless you are a male. Can’t see ANYTHING GOOD in Islam… So there are NO GOOD REASONS to promote Islam.
OMG … you are right …. there is nothing good in islam …
oh my … I didn’t realize it … I’ve been duped …
hmmm ….. that explains why islam is the fastest shrinking religion …
hmmm ….. that explains why less and less women are wearing hijab …
hmmm …that explains why europe will not be islamic in several decades …
hmmmm …etc etc that’s why …… thats why …
hehehehehehe…
WMD’s have a way of leveling the playing field very quickly Semen Bunghole.
its not gonna happen …
Nazi styled chicken mentality like you will always be hiding under fake names …
chicken will always be a chicken ..
Chicken is halal which is why muhadajeen and jihadists all are poultry.
A muslum accusing me of being a nazi is like a bacha bazi boy accusing you of being a pederast.
seems hard for you not to expose your hard-wired desire to exterminate muslims in Nazi styled genocide ….
Dear dumb muslum monkey, if you think I don’t know what you and your fellow muslum vermin would do to me given half the chance (cough, Flaccid Flower, cough) you’re wrong.
your typical insulting attitude towards muslims reveals everything about who you are ….
this was the attitude of pre-Nazi crowds …before the 6 millions systematic historic murders took place ….
hehehehehe urdu for ” I am a sucker who will be stoned for stupidity, even among other muslims”.
The state should act as a guardian, if it wants to protect its citizens from such a murderous religion.
Very telling about Moslems. The UGLY truth comes out. They want YOU and they want you DEAD!! They want to raise a caliphate in France. A country that graciously accepted these DEMONS. And NO Frenchmen will stand in their way.
Try doing that in a Moslem country as a Chrisitan. See what happens…..
“A country that graciously accepted …”
Wrong: French elites accepted the Muslims into France to destroy Christianity and French society through race mixing, culture mixing and the mongrelization of the French people.
The common people of France do not want to be genocided by Islam, Africans, Asians etc. The genocide is being orchestrated by French / European elites, i.e. Soros, Rothschilds etc.
How long would most people think it will take France to become a Muslim country?
If the Muslims in France can block the streets for Friday prayers then the Muslims already own France.
Catholics, Protestants, Jews etc. blocking the streets for their worship service would be immediately beaten up by the police and hauled off to jail for obstruction of traffic.
It is already, any muslim can dictate policy to the president of france, who will grovel in obedience to his master.
Macron obviously knows NOTHING about Islam, or is such a narcissist that he believes he can change Islam in France..Islam WILL CHANGE France, not France change Islam
Muslim leader tells me not to meddle with Islam, I’ll respond with noting the many instances muslims meddle with Christianity, Judaism and other religions. Then I’d say that if he doesn’t like it, he can leave and go back to his Mecca.
Macron does not want to fall under the Communist trap that Merkel, Clinton, Putin and Erdogan have laid. Erdogan has a great vision for his Ottoman Empire. Angela Merkel also has a great vision for the Communists who once ruled East Germany as STASI. Putin had a great plan to destabilize the US under Obama. (A weak US cannot help Europe). He almost succeeded but Trump saw to it that Hillary, the Russian appeaser, would be trodden down. Now the great mind game has started. Britain is a pawn. If Brexit happens soon, Merkel will take a back step. If the Eastern European states oppose Merkel with the migrant situation, she will gain a bit as Russia will step in to help them. (Counter resistance can be advantageous) The game is very big, the odds are bigger and the endgame will not be for a few years yet. The big question is: Will Russia regain power in East Europe with the help of Merkel’s double faced actions ? Will Europe fall into anarchy and then communism as the USSR planned to do in 1984 ?
Clearly, then, he was talking about reasserting the separation of religion and state when it comes to Islam. But that was too much for the leader of the Muslims in France, Ahmet Ogras, who told Macron to back off. One would think that if the Muslims were in France to assimilate and become loyal, productive citizens, that they would have no problem with Macron’s statement. But they aren’t, and they aren’t going to accept any dictation from the President of the country. That ought to tell Macron something, but it probably won’t.
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Nobody in Europe thinks muslims are here to assimilate and dance the Kumbaya hand in hand around a great campfire anymore.
Not after 40 years of failed integration attempts, only resulting in an increased radicalisation amongst it’s community after each new generation.
Their collaborators from the established elites are still desperately trying to uphold the “islam=peace” utopia, but their support is shrinking all over our West European countries.
Look at Merkel in Germany.
We don’t really believe it anymore, but our progressives are still powerful enough to destroy the lives of everyday people trying to make a point that’s not politically correct.
Those French established order is feeling Marine Le Penn (anti establishment, anti islam) breathing down her neck, who has a younger niece who also happens to be very popular with the youth)
Their party already ended second after Frances last elections, enduring all the boycotts from the established order one might expect.
In fact, Macron is a product they dished out of nowhere to keep her at distance.
That established order isn’t able to cut the islamic cancer from France.
I can’t even begin to explain how rooted the islam is in France.
Personally, I think people are going to see Macron take one knee after another for islamic demands, and eventually turn to Le Penn for a firmer approach.
Oh, some jackass from a muslim council wants to tell the president where to go and how to get there? The only response from the president should be immediate round the clock surveillance on this group, check points set up outside their offices so that members coming and going must have their “papers” continuously checked, bringing criminal cases where needed as well as deportations of members of the group. Wonder how long they would be issuing orders to the president after that.
I cannot understand how MACRON can be this Naive?
If he really believes a WEAK ELECTED LEADER of FRANCE who will be out of office in a couple of years is going to REFORM ISLAM he is very mistaken!
They look on the leaders of the WEST as both weak & short term people – no to be followed or listened to!
Macron is finally living to see how F-ed up pisslam is. If he doesn’t like it now,…..
As per the passed law of McCarran-Walker Act of 1952, the totalitarian repressive ideology of islam, or its many “fronts”, IS NOT allowed to be in America. It is time to ENFORCE the LAWS-of-the-LAND.
This is what happens when you let Islam into your country. Once they reach enough of the population they think they run it. Ban Islam!
Macron is now in the closet in the fetal position in absolute fear of his Muslim masters. Someday France may get a real leader but by then it will be too late to save any civilization that is left.
Weak little Macron has no chance of secularism in the France of today.
He is a delusional weak little fart when what is needed is a Charles Martel like premier.
They blew their chance of a strong leader when their stupid electorate rejected Marine le pen. Now they are left to a future of hell.
The French must wake up and see their great mistake before all is lost.
PROSCRIBE ISLAM IN THE WEST!
Islam is and will always be an incubator for evil.
The question is not about whether Macron has the balls to stand up and say something like that. The real question is, now that he has been told to shut up, sit down, and blow it out his bunghole, what’s he going to do about it. My guess… shut up, sit down, and blow it out his bunghole.
Cut off all welfare to Muslims, Africans and Asians and see if they can make it in France through the winter.
Hire bounty hunters to round the foreigners up for sterilization and deportation and see if that does not encourage a lot to self-deport.
Ahmet Ogras needs to be deported back to his country of origin because because he is a political and constitutional subversive.
They will take care of their own household affairs? Therefore we are going to be countries of separate communities? Where are the ties that bind? What shall be the cohesive fabric?
Who is running the country of which we speak. A wise man thinks of the consequences of his actions, a wise man projects and considers possibilities, and peruses likely outcomes.
I thought Muslims loved him because he was a liberal though?
At least there’s some explanation for Trudeau’s actions — he is the descendant of Fwench surrender monkeys after all.