Hugh Fitzgerald: Professor Ziedan on Saladin

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The Egyptian scholar and historian of medieval Islam, Professor Youssef Ziedan, recently caused a great deal of controversy in Muslim Arab circles, roiling the waters when he put forth, on an Egyptian talk show, his argument as go why the “Al-Aqsa” mosque in Jerusalem is not, and cannot be, the real one. Professor Ziedan pointed out that there were no mosques in Jerusalem during Muhammad’s lifetime, that the Umayyad Caliph, Abd al-Malik bin Marwan, completed the mosque in Jerusalem in 705 CE, 73 years after the death of Muhammad, and began to identify that structure as the “al-Aqsa” mosque mentioned in the Qur’an (17:1) for political reasons. Because his main rival, Abdallah ibn Zubayr, had control over, and derived great prestige among Muslims as a result, the two holiest mosques, in Mecca and Medina, Abd al-Malik wanted at least to possess the “Al-Aqsa” mosque, as the third holiest site in Islam. He simply identified the mosque he had built as that mentioned in the Qur’an as “the farthest mosque.” Professor Ziedan claims that the real Al-Aqsa mosque was on the road between Mecca and Ta’if, information which he found in the historian and early biographer of Muhammad, al-Waqidi. Naturally, Zeidan’s argument continues to stir up indignation — though, interestingly, nothing about it has yet appeared in the mainstream Western press — but no one has successfully rebutted his  conclusions about the al-Aqsa mosque.

Ziedan, who has a habit of saying what he believes to be true, has also infuriated many Arabs with another of his public declarations. Last May, in a television interview, he described Saladin as  “one of the most despicable figures in human history.”

Salahuddin Ayyubi (or Saladin) is  one of the most esteemed Muslim figures of the medieval Islamic world, most importantly for taking back Jerusalem from the Crusaders by winning the battle of Hattin in 1187.

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Yet Ziedan did not hold back from voicing quite a different view. He had been asked his opinion of Egyptian films on Islamic history, and among his examples of  “historic fallacies” about Islam, he said the way Saladin was portrayed in current Islamic history did not reflect “his brutality against the Fatimids,” the founders of the Shi’a Islamic Caliphate that ruled Egypt and Syria in the 12th century. Saladin, though a Sunni, had been given key posts by the Shi’a Fatimid rulers of Egypt, but instead of being grateful, he managed to consolidate his power, overthrew the Fatimids, and destroyed them.

“Salahuddin is one of the most despicable figures in human history,” Ziedan told interviewer Amr Adeeb. “He committed crimes against the Fatimids.”

“Ziedan claimed that Saladin had isolated women from men [among the former rulers] in that era to prevent any descendants of the Fatimids in Egypt.

“He also said that Saladin ‘burnt one of the most important libraries in the world back then, located in Cairo,’ under the pretext of ‘confronting the Shiite ideology.’”

The reason why this image of Saladin is not common among today’s Muslim community is “intentionally political,” according to Ziedan (by this, Ziedan means that Saladin, as the peerless warrior who re-took Jerusalem from the Infidels, should be an exemplar for Arabs today).

Ziedan’s interview angered some Egyptian historians and scholars, who denounced his claims and questioned his motives in attacking esteemed figures in the history of Islam. He did not attack “esteemed figures,” but, rather, one figure, Saladin. He did not question Saladin’s feats as a military leader, but he found unforgivable his physical destruction of the Fatimids, his killing not just rulers but their whole families, including children, and setting alight important repositories of Islamic civilization, the libraries — including one especially irreplaceable library — of the Fatimids in Cairo.

The attacks on Ziedan were not based on anything he had said about Saladin that was untrue. No one denied that Saladin had used the position granted to him by the Fatimids to consolidate his own power and then to destroy those same Fatimids who had, despite his being a Sunni, trusted him with high office. He was criticized for not treating Saladin as an Islamic military hero, and therefore not to be attacked, regarded — no matter what else he might have done — as always beyond reproach. Zubeida Attallah, a professor of modern history at Egypt’s Ain Shams University, said: “Why do we attack our symbolic figures and the values that we possess?” in reference to Saladin, whom she recalled as a distinguished historical figure and “the hero of the Battle of Hattin, during which he fought the Crusaders and took back Jerusalem.”

The figure of Saladin in the West has been that of the chivalrous warrior. This account, found in Sir Walter Scott’s The Talisman, was entirely fictional, as Scott knew, but he was more interested in romanticizing the past than in engaging in the kind of historical investigation that might have uncovered a sometimes disturbing truth. In his study, Sir Walter Scott’s Crusades and Other Fantasies, Ibn Warraq has chapters on Saladin, “Walter Scott, The Talisman, the Crusades, Richard I of England” and “Saladin: Myths, Legends and History,” in which, among much other useful debunking, he notes that Scott made much of the putative friendship between Saladin and Richard the Lion-Hearted. In reality, the two never met.

Ibn Warraq adduces the account by the 12th-century historian William of Tyre, who initially depicted Saladin favorably but then, as he learned more, changed his view. William later portrayed Saladin “as an ambitious enemy treacherously bludgeoning the [Fatimid] caliph to death and running through all his progeny with a sword, and as a usurper devoid of all human feeling. The same author also points to the sultan’s humble origin and attributes his political ascent to chance rather than inheritance.” The myth in the West of Saladin as a chivalrous and fearless warrior still exists; in the Islamic East, there is less about his chivalry, more about his skill as a warrior. Saladin’s cruel treatment of the Fatimids “and their progeny,” that William of Tyre and Youssef Ziedan both mention, is hardly known in either the Christian West or the Islamic East; it would undermine the hagiographic versions favored by both.

Youssef Ziedan has certainly caused a welcome stir in still waters both with his discussion of what formerly was undiscussable — the authenticity of the Al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem — and in refuting the received view of Saladin as a chivalrous warrior for Islam. I found his arguments in both cases compelling, his bravery in publicly stating them, to a Muslim Arab audience, admirable. There are deliberate efforts to keep his views from being disseminated outside Egypt. It is up to us to make Professor Youssef Ziedan, and his arguments, known more widely among Muslims, and in the West. Both his critical remarks on Saladin, as presented in this piece, and his startling argument about Al-Aqsa, that has been discussed previously at this site, will — one hopes — become better known, and provide a salutary shock to the system for Muslim True Believers. And eye-opening, too, for Western non-Muslims. Professor Ziedan has earned the right to a hearing. Let’s make sure he gets it.

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Suresh
Suresh
6 years ago

Muslims Lie and that’s surprising ?!

Phil McDonald
Phil McDonald
6 years ago

Excellent posting!

Kalambong Kalambong
Kalambong Kalambong
6 years ago
Reply to  Phil McDonald

To all, that ‘Saladin’ isn’t even an Arab

He was a Kurd

Suresh
Suresh
6 years ago
Reply to  Phil McDonald

Agree. Muslims Lie and that’s surprising ?!
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Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
6 years ago

As islam is based on lies, maintaining itself with more lies, and very frequent violence. Any truths about islam will be suppressed. The qur’an clearly endorses lying as well as when it is necessary.

Lying is permitted in three circumstances :

• When a person mediates between two disputing parties in order to reconcile between them, if reconciliation cannot be achieved in any other way.

• When a man’s speaking to his wife, or a woman speaking to her husband, with regard to matters that will strengthen the ties of love between them, even if that is accompanied by exaggeration.

• lying to enemies at times of war.

Hadiths regarding lying :

Um Kalthoom (may Allaah be pleased with her) reported that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “He is not a liar who reconciles between people and conveys something good or says something good.” (Reported by al-Bukhaari, 2495).

The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: ‘Lying is not permitted except in three cases: a man’s speaking to his wife to make her happy; lying at times of war; and lying in order to reconcile between people.’” (Reported by al-Tirmidhi, 1862; he said: it is a hasan hadeeth. See also Saheeh Muslim, 4717).

Ibn Shihaab – one of the narrators of the hadeeth – said: I did not hear of any concession being granted concerning anything that people call lies except in three cases: War, reconciling among people, and what a man says to his wife or a woman says to her husband.

Imam Ahmad (26731) narrated that Umm Kalthoom bint ‘Uqbah said: I never heard the Messenger of Allah grant a concession allowing any kind of lying except in three cases: a man who says something intending thereby to bring about reconciliation; a man who says something at the time of war; and a man talking to his wife or a woman talking to her husband. (Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in as-Saheehah, 545)

Achmed Mohammedan
Achmed Mohammedan
6 years ago
Reply to  Mahou Shoujo

“When a man’s speaking to his wife, or a woman speaking to her husband …” Really honey, size doesn’t matter.

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
6 years ago

muslim version of that.
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Michelle
Michelle
6 years ago
Reply to  Millionmileman

“Dumb and Dumber” should be the motto of all EU governments. Criminals, lunatics and fanatics do NOT obey laws or haven’t they realized that yet? The suicidal rush of Sweden into the gates of Islamic hell will be looked at in the future as an example of absolute stupidity at lunatic level, that is if there are any infidels left. IMHO ALL Swedish politicians should be taken out and shot out of hand.

DemocracyRules
DemocracyRules
6 years ago
Reply to  Michelle

Mike:
-They’re not dumb
– they are just commies
– and commies need shock troops
– and sheep-like voters
– so they import Muslims for votes
– and support Islamists for shock troops
– commies never get their own hands dirty
– straight out of the Communist Manifesto [1948]

Achmed Mohammedan
Achmed Mohammedan
6 years ago
Reply to  Millionmileman

Hello, Millionmileman. I am certain that moslems will turn in all of their firearms, good citizens that they are. Moreover, when Sveeden begins its hand grenade amnesty, that will solve all of their problems.

Peter WF
Peter WF
6 years ago

Islam into the west – Is history repeating itself? For Fatimids substitute infidels.
From above – “No one denied that Saladin had used the position granted to him by the Fatimids to consolidate his own power and then to destroy those same Fatimids who had, despite his being a Sunni, trusted him with high office.”

UnderzogD
Underzog
6 years ago

Fascinating….

UnderzogD
Underzog
6 years ago

Pamela! Look at this! Obstruction of justice by Marky Schmuckenberg. This twit has so much power that he think he I a law onto himself.

MAS
MAS
6 years ago

Ziedan to be murdered in 3-2-1-…

Voytek Gagalka
Voytek Gagalka
6 years ago

Ditto for so called “prophet” Mohammed. And while Mohammed is “protected” from any criticism by dictum of the Qur’an, there is no such protection based on religious grounds for Saladin. I don’t know why Muslims are so desperate to keep mythology around him untarnished. Perhaps they fear subconsciously that if one “great” Islamic figure is destroyed, another could go down the drain as well, up to (they like it or not) their “beloved prophet.” It’s about time!

Michelle
Michelle
6 years ago

I think that Saladin’s iconic untouchability is simply due to him beating the Crusaders who really gave islam a fright. It was a real pity that with such a long line of logistics and the corrupt selfish attitude of so many along it that they failed in the end. Saladin was a good general but if he had been the one with such a long and tenuous supply line I doubt that he would have even taken Jerusalem. The Crusades really shook up arab arrogance and confidence and frankly partly opened up the gates for the later turks who being barbarians saw all the useful advantages of islam for males and took to it like ducks to water shoving the arabs aside The arabs still whine about the Crusades despite them being primary aggressors.

Cai
Cai
6 years ago
Reply to  Michelle

They whine about everything, they are the eternal victims and they worry not one whit about the truth i.e. the Crusades were in response to muslim violence.

TEA-&-BISKITS
TEA-&-BISKITS
6 years ago

it’s YUSUF ZEDAN – is there any intelligent egyptian who speaks proper arabic?
the wurd ‘mosk – masjid – means any place where one duz ‘sajdah’ ie prostration – it DUZN’T nesasrily mean a bilding.

AlgorithmicAnalystD
AlgorithmicAnalyst
6 years ago

Interesting history.

aebe
aebe
6 years ago

Mr Zeidan had best find a hole and pull the lid over it . , maniacal muslims will be accusing him of giving the mosque to the Israelis .

Validate your 2nd Amendment Rights ……. Carry !

Carowal
Carowal
6 years ago

According to Professor Youssef Ziedan, Saladin was guilty of genocide of the Fatimid people.

Dan Knight
Dan Knight
6 years ago

Interesting and informative. On one hand, it’s surprising someone in the Arab world is openly defiant. (I know enough Egyptians to know many are not very keen on Islam privately – and Copts are downright straightforward once they trust you – but such honesty is not only deadly, but you can lose your Special Privileges if the Leftists find out.)

OTOH, it is no surprise THEIR academics stand up to defend THEIR vile hate-ideology, THEIR heroes, and THEIR myths. Imagine what would happen if academics here were defending us? For one thing, they could stick to the truth and let the chips fall where they may … and they would still win.

Mal M
Mal M
6 years ago

Professor Joseph Zidan is absolutely right. In fact, there were two mosques near Taif, the nearest mosque and the farthest one. Muhammad dreamed that he had flown from Mecca to the farthest mosque (Al-Aqsa mosque) he knew it since it was about 10 miles from Mecca, the city where he lived.
The Umayyad Caliph built the Al-Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem, because they could not practice the Hajj in Mecca because the road was blocked by Abdullah ibn Zubair.
So they did the Hajj to Jerusalem instead of Mecca. It was used for 10 years when Abdullah ibn Zubair was killed by Umayyad soldiers. Since than the mosque was like any other mosque in Muslim territory.

762x51FMJ
762x51FMJ
6 years ago

Islam spreads by swords
of enslavement or death.
Christianity spreads by words
of free spoken breath.

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Stephen Honig
Stephen Honig
6 years ago

Were there any Muslim leaders that were Godly and not godless?

InfidelCrusader
InfidelCrusader
6 years ago

Par for the course for virtually all Muslim historical clams. They simply don’t stand up to scrutiny. They are little more than propaganda.

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