[ April 17, 2024 ]
Tariq Ramadan’s brother, Hani Ramadan, is not wrong. Under sharia (Islamic law), rape victims must have the testimony of four male witnesses (as if.…). Remember that when feminists in this country insist that Islam empowers women.
In defense of his brother Tariq, Hani Ramadan stresses that in Islam an individual cannot be found guilty of rape unless there are four witnesses –
Point de Bascule Canada, November 7, 2017 (thanks to Gisele):
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1543846912368371&id=481319165287823 / Archive.Today
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Shortly after the Tribune de Genève reported that some of Tariq Ramadan’s former students in Geneva had accused him of rape and sexual harassment while they were still minor in the 1980s and 1990s, his brother Hani came to his defense by broadcasting a sermon on the web.
In his sermon, Hani Ramadan stresses that in Islam an individual cannot be found guilty of rape unless there are four witnesses:
Hani Ramadan (Audio 03:25): “[Translation] Any person who stoops to defamation by accusing an innocent individual of fornication or rape, telling a story that is the product of one’s malicious imagination, and who is not accompanied by four witnesses who clearly saw what happened, faces a terrible punishment whatever the sex of the accused may be.”
Hani Ramadan (Audio 03:25): «[Original French] Toute personne qui tombe dans la diffamation en accusant un individu innocent d’avoir forniqué ou violé, relatant un récit qui est le fruit de son imagination malveillante, et qui n’est pas accompagnée de quatre témoins qui ont vu clairement les choses, s’expose ainsi à un terrible châtiment, et cela quel que soit le sexe de l’accusé.»
The Tribune de Genève / WebArchive – Archive.Today – MSN.com has also reproduced this excerpt in one of its recent articles on the Ramadan affair.
Hani Ramadan made the announcement of his sermon on his Facebook page. The links to the sermon (available in French and in Arabic) are on Hani Ramadan’s blog / Archive.Today.
The France-based Observatoire de l’islamisation has also archived the audio excerpt quoted above.
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45 Comments
6 years ago
Rape needs………………………………………………………………………..
Well then the sentence of a Summary Cock-ectommy needs only
uncorroborated mere allegation undeposed.
We can probably stop moslem violence by summary cock-ectomies of
ALL MOSLEMS.
6 years ago
Reply to
JayPee
indeed, as I commented before: The famous Russian Docxtor I. Cutchacockoff and the veterinarians he has trained would know how to deal with those mamzers (i.e. bastards!)
6 years ago
The Left/liberal Loons in EU even allow their women/Girls to be assaulted, molested, gang raped , murdered http://bit.ly/2tTQW4b
..and its all Halal (approved) as per allah !
So police in Left/liberal pro-islam countries/states do not even register case and mock the victims or let him off lightly if charged.
6 years ago
And Linda Sarsour and similar self hating women continues to lead sheeple to the slaughter.
D
6 years ago
Alice Fubar. Ban Muslim rapefugees.
6 years ago
Whoopee. They ain’t living under so called ‘islamic law’. They can go to hell.
My law says, rape a woman, you die. Rape a child, you die slowly.
Simple, succinct, and it works.
6 years ago
Reply to
famouswolf
One needs to wonder since they (mudslime) seem to getting away with whatever they want to…..Amazing – – – minority rule is now the norm.
6 years ago
Well yes Hani, we know that Islamic law was devised to enable muslim polygyny and protect muslim rapists. Now we will see whether French secular law will serve the cause of justice, for which it was created.
D
6 years ago
Reply to
Duchess of Pork
After they are freed by the liberal french secular courts, I am sure they will sue for compensation and win a huge reward.
6 years ago
Reply to
Nefarious420
Him, not they. Two charges of rape have been laid with the French police. It remains to be seen whether the charges will be pursued by the French justice system. Ramadan himself has begun defamation proceedings against the chief complainant; this also to be dealt with by the French courts. The affray is shaping up to be very ugly. I hope Ms Ayari has adequate protection for herself and her children.
6 years ago
The crimes did not take place in islamic countries, Even muslim “scholars state that the law of the country, even if it is not shariah, are to be obeyed.In the name of Allah, Most Compassionate, Most Merciful,
Muslims are generally obliged to abide by the laws of the land and the country they live in, whether it is a Islamic state (al-khilafa), Muslim countries, or non-Muslim countries such as those in the west, as long as they are not ordered to practice something that is against Shariah. If they are forced by the law to commit a sin, then in such a case, it will not just be unnecessary to abide by the law, rather impermissible.
Some Muslims are under the impression that it is permissible to violate the laws of countries that are not an Islamic state (al-Khilafa), which is totally incorrect. Muslims must adhere to the laws of any country they live in, whether in the west or the east, as long as the law is not in contradiction with one’s religion.
Sayyiduna Abd Allah ibn Umar (Allah be pleased with him) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said: “It is necessary upon a Muslim to listen to and obey the ruler, as long as one is not ordered to carry out a sin. If he is commanded to commit a sin, then there is no adherence and obedience.” (Sahih al-Bukhari, no. 2796 & Sunan Tirmidhi)
The above Hadith is general, in that it does not distinguish between Muslim and non-Muslim lands, although the understanding of the scholars is that it generally applies to Muslim lands.
Furthermore, many scholars have divided non-Muslim lands (dar al-Harb/kufr) into two categories, Dar al-Khawf & Dar al-Aman. The former (dar al-khawf) refers to a land where Muslims are under a constant threat and fear with regards to their religion, life and wealth, whilst the latter (dar al-Aman) refers to a land where Muslims are relatively secure and safe. In Dar al-Aman (such as many non-Muslim countries in the west), many of the injunctions and rulings are very similar to Muslim lands (dar al-Islam), thus the command of following the laws of the land would also apply in these non-Muslim lands. (See: Radd al-Muhtar)
Those who are of the view that it is not necessary to obey the laws of the land unless it is ruled by a proper Islamic governance system, usually say that these laws are non-Islamic and man made, and one is only obliged to abide by the laws of Allah!
In reality, this is a very immature understanding of Islam, for even an Islamic Khilafa government would implement laws that are the creation of their own minds and Ijtihad. If an Islamic government sees the need to implement a certain law, then it has the full jurisdiction to do so, even if it is not found in the Qur’an and Sunnah.
All the scholars unanimously agree that, if an Islamic government decides to implement a law for the benefit of the country and its citizens, then there is nothing wrong in doing so, as long as it does not contradict Shariah, and this law will be binding upon every citizen of that country, even if it was not made obligatory by Shariah initially. Therefore, the laws which an Islamic Khilafa government will set down will also be “man made”, and binding upon all the citizens.
Then the case here is not between “Allah’s laws” and “man made laws” rather one must understand and deal with the issue more rationally and deeply.
When one lives in a particular country, one agrees verbally, in writing or effectively to adhere to the rules and regulations of that country. This, according to Shariah, is considered to be a covenant, agreement and trust. One is obliged to fulfil the trust regardless of whether it is contracted with a friend, enemy, Muslim, non-Muslim or a government. The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) and his Companions (Allah be pleased with them all) always stood by their word and did not breach any trust or agreement, as it is clear from the books of Sunnah and history. Thus, to break a promise or breach a trust of even a non-Muslim is absolutely unlawful and considered a sign of being a hypocrite (munafiq).
6 years ago
Reply to
Mahou Shoujo
When we bend our laws to accommodate izlum. soon the muzlum savages will bend us to their law.
6 years ago
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6 years ago
Reply to
Mahou Shoujo
Obviously, however, the authorities who have issued death fatwas against Rushdie, Pamela Geller and others don’t agree. Perhaps Islam could use a recognized Caliph.
6 years ago
Reply to
Charles Martel
True, but none of the fatheads issuing fatwas had to go to court for it. If there was an action resulting in a crime from the fatwa then it would have to be dealt with by the country it was committed in’s court.
6 years ago
Reply to
Mahou Shoujo
Your second paragraph is the out that could be used to sanction practically any illegal muslum activity in any of the dying atheist Western “democracies”. Then there’s the whole issue of dar al-islum vs. dar al-harb, where the entirety of the non-muslim world is considered dar al-harb.
6 years ago
Reply to
IzlamIsTyranny
It is about time to make the non muslim world the cemetery of islam.
6 years ago
Reply to
Mahou Shoujo
I thought all mudslimes are told it is proper to lie to everyone who isn’t also a mudslime…..this seems to contradict that….where did I misunderstand?
6 years ago
Reply to
mztore
When it comes to muslims, it is impossible to tell, the best course to take is to assume they lie all the time, then, if possible validate their statements from an independent source. There may be instances where telling the truth is optional, have to look very hard for them.
6 years ago
Reply to
Mahou Shoujo
LOL. Sort of what I thought. I must admit, it reminds me of the media any more and assume nothing is the While Truth.
6 years ago
16 witnesses needed because the first 4 witness most likely would join in the gang rape.
6 years ago
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6 years ago
So if I hand off Tariq to a group of buff leather wearing gay men in San Francisco and they rape him, it’s not a rape if there aren’t 4 female witnesses? This would seem to be the orthogonal solution in islum.
6 years ago
There are never 4 witness in a Moslem rape. They are always 4 participants. 12, if you count donkeys.
6 years ago
Clear indication the the brother is just the same type of vile animal and should as a precaution also have his genitals hacked off.
6 years ago
Reply to
Hans Wellington
“genitals hacked off” That is the only answer….do it to all male mudslimes.
6 years ago
The stone age savages missed the DNA briefing.
Islam is incompatible with humanity ans civilization.
6 years ago
‘… Under sharia (Islamic ‘law’ [40/2 -> https://quran.com/5/48%5D), rape victims must have the testimony of FOUR male witnesses’ https://quran.com/24/2-4, 13
If not show 4 neutral(!!) MALE witnesses (except the gang bang group),
it will be seen from coward wife beater 4/34 allah as adultary and lash with 100 lashes (Q. 24:2) (ref.@Acts17)
6 years ago
If four of the rape victims suddenly go transgender, then you’ve got your four male witnesses.
6 years ago
Let four males examine the forensic evidence. Problem solved. It pushes the Muzzies into a box that’s very hard to get out of.
{^_^}
6 years ago
oh, the “cultural difference” excuse – he would be exonerated in the UK
6 years ago
Four Islamic dudes watching a rape are, of course, just waiting their turn. Not much help there.
6 years ago
Where I come from rape with four male witnesses is called a gang bang. Sorry!
6 years ago
In other words, play the muslim card, as it often that works very for muslims in the west, and pray the infidel judge is coward enough to bow down to you.
6 years ago
No Hani is NOT wrong. That is Islam in their Koran, it’s violent, disgusting and disgraceful!! It’s NOT a religion, it’s a CULT!!
6 years ago
An epitome of injustice.
6 years ago
Four witnesses will indeed step forward in the Final Judgment. The earth itself where blood was spilled will cry out; the angelics who are always watching will reveal what they took note of; the demonics who were also in attendance will be required to fully expose their various dealings in this wicked man’s crooked past, and the violent man will convict himself before the God of Truth and Absolute Justice. It won’t be this monster’s ‘Allah’, but rather the Living One who adores all who seek Him earnestly, with humility and the heart of a child. I pray he finds Him before his last breath on this side of eternity.
For behold, the LORD is coming out from his place
to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity,
and the earth will disclose the blood shed on it,
and will no more cover its slain. – Isaiah 26:21 (ESV)
“Your words have been hard against Me, says the LORD. But you say, ‘How have we spoken against You?’ You have said, ‘It is vain to serve God. What is the profit of our keeping His charge or of walking as in mourning before the LORD of hosts? And now we call the arrogant blessed. Evildoers not only prosper but they put God to the test and they escape.’”
Then those who feared the LORD spoke with one another. The LORD paid attention and heard them, and a book of remembrance was written before Him of those who feared the LORD and esteemed His Name. – Malachi 3:13-16 (ESV)
6 years ago
The
presumption of innocence of the accused, under a complaint is a
fundamental right.But in this respect many people forget that they must
also symmetrically respect the presumption of innocence of the victims. a
plaintiff also has the right to the presumption of veracity and honesty
of their word. We have all noticed this partisan dissymmetry, which
allowed all the followers of the guru to break loose lamentably.Henda is
a p … Zionist ,
she has looked for it, it is for the biz, for the money, to destroy the
Islam … The audios were manufactured by Zionist studios and it is
supported by the serious lying Zionist Fourest (and the islamophobic
networks Zionist – true and logical!) Except that there is a second complaint … Crtistelle a p …. Also,
it’s been a very long time (as for Harvey) that everyone knew about it
and let Tariq lock himself up in his double ethical posture (in
conference and in private). “That he had a lot of mistresses, that
he consulted sites, that girls were brought to the hotel at the end of
his lectures, that he invited them to undress, that some resisted and
that he could become violent and aggressive, yes. But I have never heard of rapes. I am stunned. The
problem is that it is disastrous for all Muslims and for Islam.Tariq, I
advise you to start with the first step that will allow you to dissolve
your ego.When we see the time and care you’ve brilliantly spent building your image .626,000 results for You tube, About 597,000 results on Google; it is there the problem. Above millions of views, one is a prophet 3.0
6 years ago
Tariq,
prophet of the UOIF … When the Ego is so swollen, quickly as an idol
we do not even have to follow Islam (the salats …) and we are entitled
to everything ! Apart
from this path that you followed Tariq led you to have not a double
speech but at least a double attitude towards women. And the one you
have in private does not plead for Islam. The fight against the Ego is the first step. Then simply comes the abandonment of
blameworthy things and finally dominate his belly, his lower abdomen and
his tongue.
When
the audios, we understand and can easily see that these are messages
left on the boxes of three different women. He does not address these
women in a similar way so they are three different women. What shocks me
the most it
is the schizophrenic dephasing between Tariq, lecturer, married, father
of very beautiful lectures on ethics, The family, sexuality, the status
of women, the veil and Tariq in private where the woman is a promised sexual object, to conquer by force, cunning constraint or
under the blows, to humiliate, sodomize.We will leave to psychiatrists
the care of the diagnosis …
As an amateur I will look for: a narcissistic sadistic pervert
6 years ago
4 witnesses walk into a bar…
