Why Muslim Leaders SILENT on Gay Marriage: “If we come out with our opinion then the left may abandon us”

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They understand the war better than the kuffar. The left has been doing their dirty work for well over a decade now. Why agitate the agitators and knaves doing the heavy lifting in the spread of Islam and sharia? When the time comes, the left will be dealt with in much the same manner as the rest of the unbelievers.

NOT THE PRINCIPLE BUT THE SIDE: WHY MUSLIM LEADERS ARE QUIET ON GAY MARRIAGE

Muslim leaders shut up about gay marriage.

It’s all tribal, you see. It’s not about principle:

Ali Kadri, spokesman for the Islamic Council of Queensland and the Australian Federation of Islamic Councils, said his community was stuck with the choice of offending allies or siding with critics, and the result had been silence.

“Unfortunately, in the current climate, the right and conservative side has attacked Muslims as terrorists and extremists, and naturally the left side has been allies in defending us for a long period of time,” he said.

“We are afraid if we come out with our opinion then the left may abandon us for going against their view and we can’t be friendly with the conservatives because they have been bashing us for 15, 20 years every chance they get … and that includes some Christian sects as well.”

(Thanks to readers George and Owen.)

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Poppey
Poppey
6 years ago

Wise move guys, if the left knew of this they might choke on their granola, however I expect they’ll wriggle out of the trap somehow, perhaps by blaming things on the alt right and Trump.

freewoman
freewoman
6 years ago
Reply to  Poppey

they know exactly what they’re getting. The gays are still aware. It was a muslim who shot up the orlando night club after all. They’re just biding their time until the conservatives can be finished off.

dad1927
dad1927
6 years ago
Reply to  freewoman

they keep the useful idots

Helen4Yemen
Helen4Yemen
6 years ago

Pamela: You need to stop seeing Muslims in every corner of your life. Islam was born out of Judaism (mainly) and Christianity. The anti-gay issue is not by Muslims but Christians and Jews also. Remember the Jew in
Palestine who stabbed a gay person? The most anti-gay people in the world are not Muslim countries but mostly
Christian African countries: Nigeria, Tanzania, Zimbabwe, South Africa, Ugandan, Kenya.

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
6 years ago
Reply to  Helen4Yemen

Bulllshitt.

Julia
Julia
6 years ago
Reply to  Mahou Shoujo

The thing is Christianity in the west hasn’t taken that stuff seriously since the last witch burning. Islam.. does..

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
6 years ago
Reply to  Julia

islam is petrified hate.

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
6 years ago
Reply to  Julia

Soddy Barbaria has executed at least one witch and sorcerer in the 21st century. How they determined if they really were a witch and sorcerer I don’t know.

Helen4Yemen
Helen4Yemen
6 years ago
Reply to  Helen4Yemen

You see, there was a reason for the 108 times expulsions of Jews from Europe, see how you are all behaving? I do comment on other blogs but I block people perhaps once every 60 days, here (and at the Jpost) I had to block like a dozen a day. BLOCKED!

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
6 years ago
Reply to  Helen4Yemen

If you block that many people, why bother commenting? You have the reputation of being a bigoted fool.

Daniel FX Dravot
Daniel FX Dravot
6 years ago
Reply to  Helen4Yemen

Why Islam can’t be reformed.

How can Muslims reform their religion if the Koran can’t be changed?

Islam can’t be reformed.
Devout Muslims believe that the Koran is the literal word of Allah, dictated word-by-word to Mohammed. (Except for the verses dictated by Satan. Apparently, Mohammed could not tell the difference.) Any Muslim who even suggests that a single word of the Koran is a mistake is risking a death fatwah.

Islam cannot be reformed.
Any Muslim who says that a single word in the Koran is wrong would be insulting the Prophet. They would be saying that Allah had made a mistake.

Sharia requires the murder of anyone who verbally opposes Islam, since they are at war with Islam: “There is no indemnity obligatory for killing a non-Muslim (harbi) at war with Muslims.” -Reliance of the Traveler, o4.17, p.593

Here are the classical legal rulings:
A Muslim deserves death for doing any of the following (Reliance of the Traveler pp. 597-98, o8.7):
1. Reviling Allah or his Messenger;
2. Being sarcastic about ‘Allah’s name, His command, His interdiction, His promise, or His threat’;
3. Denying any verse of the Quran or ‘anything which by scholarly consensus belongs to it, or to add a verse that does not belong to it’;
4. Holding that ‘any of Allah’s messengers or prophets are liars, or to deny their being sent’;
5. Reviling the religion of Islam;
6. Being sarcastic about any ruling of the Sacred Law;
7. Denying that Allah intended ‘the Prophet’s message…to be the religion followed by the entire world.’

From Islamic Commentaries:
“Insulting the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) is one of the worst of forbidden actions… whether done seriously or in jest. The one who does that is to be EXECUTED even if he repents and whether he is a Muslim or a kefir.” – Ruling on one who insults the Prophet, Shaykh al Munajid, Islam Q&A, Fatwa No. 22809

“The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) sometimes chose to forgive those who had insulted him, and sometimes he ordered that they should be executed, if that served a greater purpose. But NOW HIS FORGIVENESS IS IMPOSSIBLE because he is dead, so the EXECUTION of the one who INSULTS him remains the right of Allah, His Messenger and the believers, and the one who deserves to be executed cannot be let off, so the punishment MUST be carried out.” – Al-Saarim al-Maslool, 2/438

The more that Muslims study the Koran, the more dangerous they become, not less dangerous.

The late Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi, the Caliph of the Islamic State, had a PhD in Islamic Studies from the Islamic University of Baghdad. When politicians say that the Islamic State doesn’t represent Islam, that’s a stupid remark to Muslims. They see ISIS fighters as super-Muslims.

The ones that your politicians call the ‘moderate Muslims’ are the ones who don’t read the Koran and hardly know what’s in it. They’re cultural Muslims, that’s all. They can’t win a single argument against the fanatics who have memorized every sura and hadith. How could they? So, when your politicians urge Muslims to study ‘true Islam,’ they’re only helping to create more fanatics.

That’s why Islam can’t be reformed.

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
6 years ago

That was some grim reading…

freewoman
freewoman
6 years ago
Reply to  Helen4Yemen

I remember plenty of muslims killing gays all over the world, in some places completely legally under the court of sharia. Gays may not be able to get married in Israel, but they don’t need to worry about getting their head lopped off or thrown off a building.
I don’t know enough about the laws in those countries to comment, but i doubt they have the death penalty.

Helen4Yemen
Helen4Yemen
6 years ago
Reply to  freewoman

BLOCKED!

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
6 years ago
Reply to  Helen4Yemen

Too bad you can’t debate the facts muslum. Was your clitorectomy performed with anesthesia? Or did you tough it out like a muslimah should?

rickyoo
rickyoo
6 years ago
Reply to  IzlamIsTyranny

Brilliant reply.

Liatris Spicata
Liatris Spicata
6 years ago
Reply to  Helen4Yemen

Don’t like the message, plug your ears. About what I would expect of you.

santashandler
santashandler
6 years ago
Reply to  Helen4Yemen

Oh, you mean Christians throw gays off rooftops, right?

santashandler
santashandler
6 years ago
Reply to  Helen4Yemen

You forgot goat-fu*king sadist…..

Harrie Mossel
Harrie Mossel
6 years ago
Reply to  Helen4Yemen

Helen should use her head!

AlgorithmicAnalystD
AlgorithmicAnalyst
6 years ago

“They understand the war better than the kufar.”

Excellent point. I noticed that a long time ago, they may be deficient in intelligence in other ways, but they have an inborn understanding of war.

Naturally I was viciously slammed by the left for pointing it out, so dropped the subject for years (until now 🙂

Suresh
Suresh
6 years ago

AGREE. Left/Liberal/feminazis/LGBT are useful idiots of Muslims and will impose sharia everywhere if there is no resistance to such stupidity.

Just like they banning a Model on Instagram for being too hot and sexy http://bit.ly/2v09Kyv

CAN IT get more Ridiculous ?

Gunter
Gunter
6 years ago
Reply to  Suresh

The term “useful idiots” is an old Soviet (KGB) term, and as Cultural Marxism and “Critical Theory” are both children, ultimately, of the KGB, I’d say you’re spot on.

——-
“The interests of Muslims and the interests of the Socialists coincide in
the war against the Crusaders.” [Western civilization]
~ Osama bin Laden, February 12th, 2003,
Al Jazeera Television

Evil Liberal
Evil Liberal
6 years ago

Its Tribal. Like the old Arab saying. I am against my brother, my brother and I are against my cousin, my cousin and I are against the stranger

Adopted- Milo Yiannopoulos
Adopted- Milo Yiannopoulos
6 years ago

Not war, mayhem.

Ziggy46
Ziggy46
6 years ago

Muslims are great at the old double-shuffle move, or rope-a-dope… truth holds no weight in the so-called religion of
peace. Islam’s leftist brethren are too damn mindless to admit openly that Islam is homophobic; so, no worries there. Leftists do not want or dare to raise the hackles of their Muslim allies, after all, they are one of the same; pathetically soulless and a poor excuse for flesh-and-bone. Both parasitical entities feed off one another and the Constitutional Republic they both detest.

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
6 years ago
Reply to  Ziggy46

muslims bought and paid for a lot of leftist support. Now that they are owned, the leftists will dance whenever their puppet masters pull their strings.

Ziggy46
Ziggy46
6 years ago
Reply to  Mahou Shoujo

Indeed, Mahou, the leftists deem themselves as progressive, they are anything but progressive. This is one reason they and their puppet-masters have so much in common. Both are of an autocratic, tyrannical doctrine, moreover, the leftist dullards are clueless regarding Islam’s malignant endeavor to complete the Caliphate. If or when Islam’s Caliphate comes to fruition, the leftist puppets will be the first to feel the murderous wrath of absolute barbarity and tyranny by their, one upon a time, Islamic allies.

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
6 years ago
Reply to  Ziggy46

I would think the leftist puppets would convert to islum long before their head was on the islamic chopping block — but the Iranian atheist communists didn’t seem to have been given that option when the Islamic Revolution succeeded there.

Ziggy46
Ziggy46
6 years ago
Reply to  IzlamIsTyranny

I may be reiterating, freewoman; Leftists aren’t as astute or savvy as they believe. Strutting about as if they are part of the Leftist intelligentsia, when, in truth, they are not as prescient as they claim. Certainly, there is Obama and others who are well informed, erudite when it comes to the Qur’an. There is one certainty they, are all switch-hitters when it comes to politics or religion. The tag-along drones are another matter, radicalized muppets being paid and encouraged to do the dirty deeds for the so-called intelligentsia.

One way or the other these aspirant Bolsheviks will lose their heads or a bullet in the nape of their necks. They are basically sheeple being led by their Marxist-Overlords to the abattoir without a bleat. I have no concerns for the future well-being of these seditionist a-wipes. The only concern I hold is that those of Western Democracy and this Constitutional Republic, that we and they do not fall for the malignant machinations of this multilayered contagion. So far throughout Western Europe (EU) a death-knell is reverberating but falling on the deafened ears of the EU’s cretin leadership. This cannot be allowed to happen to this nation.

freewoman
freewoman
6 years ago
Reply to  Mahou Shoujo

Could be the other way around. Whilst the dumber sjw’s play victim vs oppressor, the globalist powers that be are orchestrating a clash of civilizations in hopes that they’ll destroy each other so they can rule over whoever is left.

dad1927
dad1927
6 years ago
Reply to  Mahou Shoujo

They need to go, too. Once they are not useful.

dad1927
dad1927
6 years ago
Reply to  Ziggy46

dope on a rope, or off the rooftop….

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
6 years ago

If the left was capable of intelligent observation of the facts, they would not be to ignoramus that they are. Constant lies and denial spew from the left and islam, what is worse i reasonable intelligent people sit back and do nothing.

Tony Holmquist
Tony Holmquist
6 years ago

Cohorts gonna Cohort…comment image

Ziggy46
Ziggy46
6 years ago
Reply to  Tony Holmquist

Sad but so utterly true. One doesn’t need to have a crystal ball or read tea leaves to foretell the future of Western Civilization; thanks to the subversive, leftist lemmings.

Jackie Puppet
Jackie Puppet
6 years ago

Can’t blame sandie in this regard.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend…until the 2nd enemy is vanquished, then it’s off the rooftops they go for the first enemy.

dad1927
dad1927
6 years ago
Reply to  Jackie Puppet

at least they will stop this BS pouring out of LGBT

Speak the Truth
Speak the Truth
6 years ago
Reply to  Jackie Puppet

Regarding rooftops…….a couple years ago, a group of muslim men bought a large section of the Empire State Building. Coincidence? Probably not.

It’s truly remarkable that the deniers are just as gullible to their own lies, as they are to the lies of their closet prosecuters.

Mark Steiner
Mark Steiner
6 years ago

With “silence” goes complicity.

You will never hear about an Islamic bakery refusing service to an LGBT wedding. Because LGBT’s gain nothing, including protected class status, in such as exchange.

Julia
Julia
6 years ago

I think the left is well meaning, but on the whole, entirely stupid. I oppose islamism because of leftist principles, but I’m rare..

freewoman
freewoman
6 years ago
Reply to  Julia

you mean a true liberal. Commies and muslims have always been friends.

Michelle
Michelle
6 years ago
Reply to  freewoman

Splitting hairs and while communism was based upon socialism its class structure was almost fascist in nature. However I do agree that liberals should form a distinct and separate grouping from those ignorant dilettantes called “progressives”.

Julia
Julia
6 years ago
Reply to  Michelle

I have this friend, who is convinced that israel is “bad” because that’s what the latest progressive screed says. Palestinians good. Israel bad. Imperialism bad. White people bad. No thought. No criticism. Yes, we know Israel isn’t perfect.. but.. the alternative is a LOT WORSE.

Julia
Julia
6 years ago
Reply to  freewoman

Back in the day real communists hated anyone who was overly religious. “Religion is the opiate of the masses”. Karl Marx. It’s a modern progressive alliance in the name of a better world. Unfortunately, it’s also totally deluded.

Michelle
Michelle
6 years ago
Reply to  Julia

No! You are not rare by any means. Anyone who has even a slight understanding of islam and what it does to humans and human rights, whether left or right, should see islam as the most dangerous enemy on the planet. However the brainwashed fools of the MSM left who have no inkling as to what islam is and what it means and those with vested interests in arab oil, will continue to obstruct, obfuscate and deny to the public any real truth about islam. Classically calling someone, who hates/fears an ideology of many races, a racist is definitive of fool. There are many agnostics,atheists and people who are socially left opposed to islam as they are the leftists who actually have bothered to look at it as opposed to the leftist indoctrination they endured at school and uni. To be Left and to support islam is such a contradiction that it seems to imply inability to think. let alone comprehend.

Julia
Julia
6 years ago
Reply to  Michelle

I hate to say it, but I think it’s about virtue signalling, and the hope that if we give everyone enough hugs, everything will be fluffy bunnies. The left isn’t a conspiracy. Winston Churchill was right.. if a man isn’t a socialist at age 30 he has no heart, and if he’s not a conservative by age 40 he has no brain. I havn’t given up my secular/rationalist values. It’s just when your local arm of the “muslim brotherhood” is posting screeds on the street corner calling for “marriage to white christian girls and conquest” like we’re some kind of naive minority christian 3rd worlder, you’ve got to ask yourself – who are these guys we’re really supporting. Yes, they’re a violent, primitive, misogenistic patriarchy… a rape culture WAY worse than anything that we’ve spawned for 200+ years. I mean what exactly do you think’s going to happen when the local christian girl doesn’t go along with the script because she isn’t stupid, and fails to play into the fantasies of her would be conquest-through marriage islamic “suitor”.

Julia
Julia
6 years ago
Reply to  Julia

A few on the left have, silently, for years. The new leader of the AFD is a good example.. a lesbian who holds merkel personally responsible for the rape/death of a little girl at the hands of yet another migrant fed up on jihadist ideology. The problem is we’ve got ourselves convinced the only evil in the world is white imperialism, forgetting all the other evils that human kind is capable of. The capacity for violence and conquest is universal and Islam seems like one giant desert raiding tribe “excuse”.

felix1999
felix1999
6 years ago

The LBGT crowd will be the first ot be EXECUTED.

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
6 years ago
Reply to  felix1999

I’m not sure if lesbians are executed, but I’m sure honor killings are commonplace.

Shirley Rosenhohn
Shirley Rosenhohn
6 years ago
Reply to  IzlamIsTyranny

no, mass corrective raping will be enough

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
6 years ago

Yes the restorative and healing nature of rape is well known across the muslum world, not only to women, but little boys, donkeys and goats.

Colleendmiles
Colleendmiles
6 years ago
Reply to  IzlamIsTyranny

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IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
6 years ago
Reply to  IzlamIsTyranny

Sarcastically speaking that is.

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JenniferMFrazier
6 years ago

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Duchess of Pork
Duchess of Pork
6 years ago

Andrew Bolt knows full well the reason muslims are staying out of the gay marriage debate in Australia is because they are quietly hoping it will be legalized. That will then allow them to step up their campaign for the legalization of polygyny while once again leaving Conservatives to bear the brunt of the inevitable backlash from the Left.

Shirley Rosenhohn
Shirley Rosenhohn
6 years ago

there has been gay marriage in the Netherlands since the year 2000 . The muslims haven’t pushed for legalization of poligamy in the country, but gay muslims who have married someone of the same sex are usually shunned by their families, other muslim young men have to go to shelters because of the fact that their own relatives are a real threat to their lives.
BTW, I love your “nom de plume!” (LOL) You certainly have a very good sense of humor and that is a quality I love in people!

Duchess of Pork
Duchess of Pork
6 years ago

The muslims in EU countries may not be aggressively pushing for legal polygny yet but as these articles indicate it is on their agenda. Currently they are still in the closet so to speak, subverting the legal system with Islamic nikkah ceremonies for marriages 2, 3 & 4. But given time they will bring the practise out from behind closed doors. There are already websites that openly solicit interested families and advertise arrangements for the subsequent marriages.
(The nom de plume, rather unkindly bestowed on the Duchess of York a
generation or so ago was subsequently conferred on me by my laugh a minute friends as I also had a ‘cuddly’ physique)
http://bernardgaynor.com.au/eyes-sydney-muslims-vote-yes-redefining-marriage/
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/08/09/civil-union-muslims-demand-polygamy/.

David
David
6 years ago

They’re also “in the closet” on family issues because they do not want to save Western families. They want us to go extinct while they take over. Since their family strategies work, whatever else one thinks of them, they don’t want us copying, but doing the opposite, with pride!

Shirley Rosenhohn
Shirley Rosenhohn
6 years ago

thank for your reply, what you write about the muslims waiting for the right moment to demand the right to have four or more wives sounds coherent. (If having four or more mothers-in-law is as attractive to them is entirely another matter!)
Porks are very intelligent animals and the way they resist being brought to the slaughter is heartwrenching, they know and yell and by doing so they unleash toxines that are harmful to humans in the long run.
I am a vegetarian myself as I can’t stand the idea of eating dead matter, a being whose life has
been taken away. So don’t be offfended by the “unkindly” given nickname.
Slaughtering animals whether according to kosher, halal or “secular” ways is repugnant to me.
Killing beautiful, meak, tame animals like sheep the way muzzies do is utterly repugnant to me.
Very best wishes to you,
Shirley

Liatris Spicata
Liatris Spicata
6 years ago

Very nice comment, Shirley. I am with you on the vege lifestyle. My impression is that Judaism, given the sensibilities of the day when the law was laid down, did what it could to spare animals the worst of depredations. The partriarchs could not have imagined the modern factory farm.

Unfortunately, Christianity came to “free men from the law”, thereby permitting degree of cruelty to animals that Judaism had prohibited. Islam positively embraced that cruelty. I regard humanity’s cruelty to animals as a shame against our civilization.

I don’t recall you name from previous comments n this board, and I hope you will stick around, as you will undoubtedly raise the average level of discourse here.

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
6 years ago

Judaism featured animal sacrifice on the Temple Mount.

Shirley Rosenhohn
Shirley Rosenhohn
6 years ago
Reply to  IzlamIsTyranny

Thank goodness they don’t do that anymore.
I simply cannot understand why G-d would need or appreciate the killing of an animal in a horrible manner. but a demon obviously does.

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
6 years ago

The Samaritans still do on Mt. Gerazim.

Shirley Rosenhohn
Shirley Rosenhohn
6 years ago

Thank you for your kind words.
Shirley

Tatiana Covington
Tatiana Covington
6 years ago

Just grow meat in culture! Research and development of this is advancing rapidly. By 2080 the great herds and flocks we keep now will be GONE!

Liatris Spicata
Liatris Spicata
6 years ago

Nonetheless, there is no known need for animal flesh in the human diet.

michaelofsydney
michaelofsydney
6 years ago

Are you in Sydney?

Duchess of Pork
Duchess of Pork
6 years ago

I’m a Kiwi that regularly visits Aus. In between times I keep a close eye on Andrew Bolt, Cory Bernadi, Miranda Devine, Rita Panahi, Pauline Hanson, Hannah Dover, Keysar Trad, Waleed Aly and Mohamed Elmouelhy. Oh and Yassmin Abdel Magied until she disgraced herself before the nation and had to scurry off to wherever (England I think?)

michaelofsydney
michaelofsydney
6 years ago

And no doubt Barnaby Joyce 🙂 Coffee anyone?

Duchess of Pork
Duchess of Pork
6 years ago

You’ve speciously claimed our pavlova, flat white and Phar Lap but we’ll happily gift you Barnaby (and Russell Crowe.)

Shirley Rosenhohn
Shirley Rosenhohn
6 years ago

I would also recommend the video clips of Paul Joseph Watson on youtube, I also watch Pat Condell’s video messages on youtube. I agree most of the time with him but not always,,,BTW, I’ve never come across the names you mention, I’ll check them tomorrow on google, right now it’s past midnight in Europe, time to go to bed.
Kind regards,
S.

Duchess of Pork
Duchess of Pork
6 years ago

Pat’s wonderful, love the wry sense of humour. Paul has very sensible, thought-provoking information but I’m not so keen on his manner of delivery. Each to their own though, both probably have fatwa on them by now. The people I named are all Australians, Michael will be familiar with them. Sleep well.

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
6 years ago

Is New Zealand busily heaping up it’s own islamic funeral pyre for its civilisation?

Duchess of Pork
Duchess of Pork
6 years ago
Reply to  IzlamIsTyranny

It’s always been a standing joke amongst Kiwis that despite being economically and socially liberal (floating currency, free trade advocates, 7 day trading, early adopters of gay marriage, decriminalisation of prostitution) we are 20 years behind the rest of the world due to our small population and remote location. Conservatives are now happy with that, Lefty’s push for more diversity and multi-kulti.

I wrote a long post last night to a Brit who is considering emigrating to NZ and prefaced it thus. “The frog is in the cauldron, the fire has been lit and the temperature is increasing slowly but surely;” then listed a number

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
6 years ago

That UN Resolution is disgusting, but that’s all I expect out of the UN these days.
Israel needs to develop many nuclear tipped, MIRV’d, ICBM’s and hardened silos, because no one in the dying, atheist West is going to be backing Israel as they become islamic states in everything but name.

Duchess of Pork
Duchess of Pork
6 years ago
Reply to  IzlamIsTyranny

You are more familiar than I with Israeli policy but is there not dialogue developing with India and V4 at the moment?

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
6 years ago

India is the second most populous muslum nation on the planet, they’re doomed.

AR154U☑ᵀʳᵘᵐᵖ DEPLORABLE 2020
AR154U☑ᵀʳᵘᵐᵖ DEPLORABLE 2020
6 years ago

They both have a common enemy ,………… AMERICA !!!!

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Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
6 years ago

Everyone else declares sarcosur an idiot. Her followers are bigger fools.

dad1927
dad1927
6 years ago
Reply to  Mahou Shoujo

You need a death wish to follow this demon

Julia
Julia
6 years ago
Reply to  dad1927

No, you just need to want to hug multicultural bunnies because Linda Sarsour is a feminist and a muslim and that automatically means she must be good and virtuous, no matter what she does, including wanting to remove Ayan Hirsi Ali’s private parts with a dull and rusty knife, and institute Sharia. .. gee, that’s.. just-A-ok right?

Alleged-Comment
Alleged-Comment
6 years ago

The Left and Moslems are animals and cannibals. They are like BEAST and BRUTES. Their DNA was altered by Yahuah to be WILD MEN!

The left has also been altered, but by brainwashing. They have been deceived into believing the lie by Yahuah. He gave them over to the lie because of their SINFOOL nature.

STAY AWAY!!

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
6 years ago

I’d imagine gay marriage is among the least of the worries of anyone from the LGBT community living in any muslum state — incl. Soddy Barbaria, where a Scottish gay man was caught in an on-line sting operation, knocked to the ground and choked, incarcerated without charge or legal council, threatened into signing a confession in Arabpig (without benefit of translation) then sentenced (without benefit of translation). He figured he had signed his own death sentence when he signed his “confession”. He was later released. It was all documented in a series called Locked Up Abroad.

sonicmoon
sonicmoon
6 years ago

All part of the ‘taqiyya’ mentality/principle.. = #untrustworthy

sarah
sarah
6 years ago

The Muslims are keeping quiet because they want gay marriage in Australia.

They could care less about the LGBT community or their rights – as far as Islam is concerned, they’re all hell-bound anyway. But if gay marriage is approved in Australia – then it paves the way for polygamy. And they want that.

Its the reason why I’m wavering on which way to vote on the gay marriage issue in Australia. Frankly, I have no problems whatsoever with gay marriage, I’d be happy to vote yes, but I’m nervous of the consequences of bringing it in, with Islamic polygamy being just one of the potential consequences.

And I also resent the Left and their idea that anyone who disagrees with them on this topic is automatically a homophobe and a bad person. Their sheer stubbornness thy keep showing, in refusing to allow an alternate viewpoint is beginning to make me feel determinedly contrary.

Michael Buley
Michael Buley
6 years ago
Reply to  sarah

Interesting note, Sarah. I hadn’t thought of Muslims wanting polygamy, which is of course what they have in Islamic countries. Does gay marriage lead to polygamy? I hadn’t thought of that. Are we heading to polygamy? I hope not! Under Sharia law, of course, it would be that way.

Name-calling is a tactic to shut down discussion. I had a niece almost accuse me of being racist and xenophobic — whatever those words mean anymore! — because I said there is clearly an anti-white sentiment on the left. Did I mean to imply — as she suggested — that all non-whites are against whites? Of course not. That doesn’t change the fact that there are many on the left who despise whites, and what they call white privilege.

Are you some kind of ‘phobe’ because you don’t think transgenders is a cool idea? No. it’s just bizarre, and not something to teach to kindergartners on up, which is what is happening here.

I don’t think you’re a phobe, Sarah! I think you think! And that is a very good thing! Keep thinking! For yourself!

Shirley Rosenhohn
Shirley Rosenhohn
6 years ago
Reply to  Michael Buley

as I wrote to the Duchess of Pork (I love that nom de plume!) there has been gay marriage in many European countries and so far the muslims haven’t pushed for poligamy. I would grant them that right under one condition: that the husbands-to-be and the women they marry are sterilized so that they don’t reproduce.

sarah
sarah
6 years ago
Reply to  Michael Buley

Thanks Michael!

I’m going to take a wild guess here and assume your niece is under the age of 25? I could be very wrong right now 😉 – but I have cousins who are spread across the ages of 13-26 and all of them are absolute products of their educations, both from primary/secondary schools (both public and private) and their tertiary educations. These are young people (and I’m only 34 myself) who have received an education from a system that has heavily pushed a remarkably political agenda onto them, throughout their entire educations.

I am an Atheist and a wildly swinging voter. I’ll vote Left if I absolutely need to, because I believe in socialized healthcare and welfare for all. And because as an Atheist, I’m keen on blocking any religiously inspired policy that may arise from traditional right-wing politics in the West. But I vote Right – both mainstream Right parties and even the hard-Right candidates on occasion, depending on the policy issues at the time (in Australia, where I live, I voted for Pauline Hanson in the last federal election – as she was the ONLY candidate actually speaking honestly about Muslim immigration into our nation).

I’m a fervent supporter of gender equality (although I no longer call myself a feminist, thanks to the unholy alliance of feminism with the Left that has occurred of late) and as I said above, I am just fine with gay marriage. I’m really quite the mixed bag in my views! And I babble all of this, to give you some backstory into where I sit with the world and my views on it – because my cousins have often wryly accused me of racism, of homophobia, of Islamaphobia etc. I love them and they love me – but they’re all still young enough to be completely swayed by what they’ve been taught. I was the same at their age – just not mature enough at that point, without sufficient life experience yet, to make my own mind up. Back then, I still trusted that what I was taught was factual and honest. I changed as I grew up and matured – they will too. So will your niece, I daresay.

I have been called transphobic a couple of times by a couple of people, all because while I personally have no problems with someone wishing to identify as the gender opposite to what they were born with, the cold hard reality still remains that despite whatever surgeries they may have,despite the hormones they may take, despite what gender they display on the drivers license – they still will remain whatever gender they were born as. We don’t have the medical science to change that. And twice now, I’ve been called transphobe for mentioning it. I have a good friend, who is transgender lol – she transitioned from male around 15 years ago. I’ve known and worked with two others who have transitioned too. I don’t hate or resent them from being trans. I don’t judge them for being trans – they are what they are and they’re not hurting me. They are good people who I respect. But the truth is still the truth – and I can know the truth – and still be a respectful, compassionate human being in my thoughts and behaviours towards the trans people I have in my life – and trans people in general.

That’s what the Left often forgets, collectively. You can have a dissenting view to their own – but it doesn’t make you an enemy. It also doesn’t make you wrong or offensive or hurtful. The near constant accusations by the Left, of these kinds of things, only ever will serve to further cement someone’s beliefs or opinions and thus widen the divide. No-one has ever been convinced to change their beliefs and opinions (especially if they are strongly held) on the basis of being insulted.

If someone out there actually did somehow manage to genuinely swap their views and beliefs, solely on the basis of being bullied, harassed and insulted – I would be far more concerned about the values and ethics of that individual, than I would be, about their new ideas and opinions. That’s something that far too many people, seem to forget or not focus on.

Apologies for the long reply!

Michael Buley
Michael Buley
6 years ago
Reply to  sarah

Sarah, she is just a year younger than you. She was raised in a very liberal home. Her parents — whom I love and admire — are supporters of Obama and Hillary. Most of my family — I have to think if there are exceptions — are long-time Democrats. It is cool to hate and despise Trump, especially in the Pacific Northwest where I live.

I don’t know if she’ll respond to my note back to her. I’m curious if she does. When someone (me, in this case) doesn’t respond to being called names, by calling names … and doesn’t respond appropriately to being shamed — “This doesn’t sound like the uncle I know!” — well, she may not know quite what to say, especially in response to facts that I shared with her.

I appreciate your long note. I appreciate any time someone shares his or her thoughts on issues, and does it … well, rationally.

I read some of your other posts. You are quite remarkable for 34 years old. Your grasp of history and what is going on, is unusual at any age, let alone 34. And your ability to put it into words as lucidly as you do — grammar, spelling, the whole deal! — is unusual, as well.

I emphasized to my niece that free speech, above all, is what we must all fight for. Whether it’s to say Merry Christmas, I hate Democrats, I hate conservatives, I believe in transgenders, I believe in white supremacy, I love vanilla ice cream best … lol … whatever it is, we must protect the right to free speech. And it is under attack.

Best if done civilly! When things resort to calling names, then I step away, because there is no discussion. Insults, as you express well, prevent intelligent conversation. Now, if you cannot argue or discuss your thoughts intelligently and with facts, then name calling becomes the ‘go to’ method for hopefully winning the battle.

The left want to shout down opposing opinions — or, as has happened here recently in the states, beat down opposing opinions. Then we are in danger.

In Europe, people are fined and imprisoned for speaking against Islam. Their free speech is gone. And as the quote goes, tyranny follows. And they are clearly on the path to tyranny, the tyranny of Islam. I know you know these things.

If only more understood your words that no one has ever changed his or her mind as a result of being insulted. The challenge is that, often on the left, insulting is the only way they can present their arguments, because when you look at the facts, those arguments fall flat.

Islam prohibits questioning anything about the ideology, with the penalty of course being death. Critical investigation of it quickly reveals what it is: the basest of human nature, with zero redeeming qualities. It is simply evil and dark, brutal, vicious, murderous, violence without limits.

I very much appreciate your note and your thoughts, Sarah! You are gifted with words, and combined with a very strong and curious intelligence, you are a force. Keep doing what you’re doing. Our world needs many more like you!

Michael

Have you heard John Mayer’s song ‘Belief’? We are in a war of beliefs. I think he wrote it around the age of 27 or 28. Profound insight into what we are really fighting.

Is there anyone who ever remembers
Changing their mind from the paint on a sign?
Is there anyone who really recalls ever breaking rank at all
’cause of something someone yelled real loud one time?

All of our insults, only harden the lines … They may galvanize the troops in necessary ways sometimes. But one to one, we never convince anyone by attacking him or her. For a young woman, you understand that keenly.

Ziggy46
Ziggy46
6 years ago
Reply to  sarah

Excellent post and extremely thought provoking, Sarah. Your polygamy premise holds a lot of weight and is, in all likelihood, absolutely correct.

sarah
sarah
6 years ago
Reply to  Ziggy46

Thanks Ziggy! Twice this year, a man named Keysar Trad, who is a recognized Islamic leader in the Australian Muslim community, has made separate official public statement’s wherein he has said that if gay marriage is approved there is no reason to prevent polygamy to then, be introduced.

I note his comments and I do not forget them. People like him, are waiting in the wings. And I am strongly against polygamy – most especially religious polygamy. I will fight tooth and nail to prevent that from ever occurring in my culture and society.

Michael Buley
Michael Buley
6 years ago

Islam has always been crystal clear in their goals and methods. They have been clear for 1,400 years.

They do have a somewhat dicey situation about being clear on certain things … lol … they will find a way to lie. If it advances their agenda to lie, then they lie.

I think it was Churchill who said, ‘Muslims are concerned with minority rights as long as they are a minority. Once they are the majority, there are no minority rights.’

The only ones confused about what Islam is all about, are those who refuse to see. We need only look at Saudi Arabia, and other Islamic countries where Sharia is law, to see what they want everywhere.

Part of their brilliance lies in calling themselves a religion. They are, as one military leader (retired) said, “Islam is an ideology masquerading as a religion.’ They call to themselves all the rights of a religion, and use America’s protection of religions, to advance their ideology. It would be no different than calling Nazism a religion. Would we give religious protections to Nazis? No. But we do it for Islam.

When you are single-minded in your goal — world domination by any means — then the methods are unlimited.

Michelle
Michelle
6 years ago
Reply to  Michael Buley

Both Nazism and Communism derived their pragmatic use if violence from islam which is an IDEOLOGY that uses religion as a control mechanism. In their latest invasion of the west the religious component is used as an aegis to make the most of the western religious freedom laws thanks to the naïve and stupid left/.

Semur Jengkol
Semur Jengkol
6 years ago
Reply to  Michelle

Control mechanism ????

can you show where is islam’s “command center” where all the ‘invasions’ are/were coordinated …

hahahahahahahahahaha………

You can’t explain steady and consistent islamic ‘invasion phenomenon’ since 7th century without using ‘heart & mind’ theory ……

….. hehehehehehe ….

David
David
6 years ago
Reply to  Semur Jengkol

It’s out in the open. The Islamic texts give instructions that, when followed, lead to this sort of endless pressure.

Semur Jengkol
Semur Jengkol
6 years ago
Reply to  David

islamic text is “produced” in 7th century by illiterate man in middle of dessert ….

why can’t 21st century resources …..experts ..scholars … science …etc etc … publish a sophisticated book which can out influence that ‘stone age’ book ??????????????????

why ??….why ??

David
David
6 years ago
Reply to  Semur Jengkol

We’ve had some back and forth. But I’ll grant you: there is no Demon but Demon …

Qur'an 18:86
Qur'an 18:86
6 years ago
Reply to  Semur Jengkol

The kaffirs have produced infinitely more than the quran. Whole libraries full of great discoveries and even this internet you are using here (and the transistors and even electricity to power it). Meanwhile the quran is bursting full of stupidity and ignorance such as the earth being flat and the the sun “setting” in a muddy spring (18:86).

Semur Jengkol
Semur Jengkol
6 years ago
Reply to  Qur'an 18:86

yes i am using internet …so what ??? ….it’s just a tool ..

a tool/technology is morally neutral …

can i use this tools to spread islam all over the world ????

… while you are using it to spread freedom (ie: porn …weird lifestyles…etc) ???

hehehehehehe…….

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
6 years ago
Reply to  Semur Jengkol

Here’s a muslum dancing boy just for you Semen! Do you consider molesting little boys a “weird lifestyle”? After all your prophet 4 profit like sucking the tongues and penises of little boys, don’t you?

http://homayra2013.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/bazi01.jpg

Semur Jengkol
Semur Jengkol
6 years ago
Reply to  David

it the islamic text lead to endless pressure ….

why would they follow it at the first place ?????

David
David
6 years ago
Reply to  Semur Jengkol

Well I referred to pressure on non-Muslims, as Muslims destroy their peace and insert themselves, sometimes taking over.

But there is pressure on the Muslims too. Endless pressure, the fear of damnation to hell if your one life’s effort is not deemed sufficient. The only way to relieve it is to die in jihad, which the believe guarantees them heaven. This is why Muslims cannot be reasoned with. Any effort to calm them down runs into their internal panic over the fate of their soul.

Semur Jengkol
Semur Jengkol
6 years ago
Reply to  David

Muslims destroy peace ??

Look at latest century conflicts …..imperialism ….WW1 …WW2 …Communism ..Nazism …Natioanlism..Fascism…Totalitarianism .. brutal capitalism ….

Were that inspired by islam ???? …hehehee

Qur'an 18:86
Qur'an 18:86
6 years ago
Reply to  Semur Jengkol

Islam has inspired far more than all that, vast 1400 years of mass-murdering Jihad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_To-cV94Bo

Semur Jengkol
Semur Jengkol
6 years ago
Reply to  Qur'an 18:86

1400 years mass murdering ??????? …

the essence of islam is to murder people ???????

there were no murdering by non muslims ???? …

how about split seconds annihilation of hundred thousand of people by plutonium heat in Hiroshima ????

who manufactured WMDs …which can kill whole mankind 10 times ???

hehehehehehe…..

Qur'an 18:86
Qur'an 18:86
6 years ago
Reply to  Semur Jengkol

Because the founding terrorist assassinated and sadistically tortured any who failed to go along with his fake revelations. https://wikiislam.net/wiki/List_of_Killings_Ordered_or_Supported_by_Muhammad

sarah
sarah
6 years ago
Reply to  Semur Jengkol

Semur – the ‘control centre’ is Mohammed and his teachings, you doofus.

Perhaps you need to read the Quran, the Hadith and all the various Sira’s out there. Because the instruction, advice, approval and authority has already been given. Its all there.

Educate yourself. And think for yourself.

Semur Jengkol
Semur Jengkol
6 years ago
Reply to  sarah

Mohammad and his teaching is control centre ??

why don’t you create another ‘control centre’ to compete with Mohammed’s one ??

you have all 21st century resources …technology …. science ….capital …etc etc to do that ….

why cant you ?? ..why …why ??

Qur'an 18:86
Qur'an 18:86
6 years ago
Reply to  Semur Jengkol

In case you hadn’t noticed, 1400 years after the great launch of the Quran, there are more kaffirs than ever before, for first time in history there are fast-growing EX-muslim groups and Islam is the most hated cult in history. Join the dot.

Semur Jengkol
Semur Jengkol
6 years ago
Reply to  Qur'an 18:86

fast-growing EX-muslim groups ??

so islam is fastest shrinking religion now ??? ….

heheheheh ..

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
6 years ago
Reply to  Semur Jengkol

I’ll bet your goat is considerably more intelligent than you are allahtard.

sarah
sarah
6 years ago
Reply to  Semur Jengkol

Create another control centre to compete with Mohammed’s one?

Sweetheart – Islam is a cult. Its nothing but a never-ending series of extremely punitive rules and obligations with extremely specific and perverted rewards promised.

Yes- we do have all the technology, resources, science, capital etc – because we created that. A lot of it largely thanks to the Jewish people who have done more to advance the human race than any other specific group.

What do the Muslims have? They adopt and hijack everything created and invented by the Jewish and the rest of the planet. They cannot create anything useful. They do not offer anything useful. They just fight amongst themselves, breed like flies and cockroaches and live in sickening poverty and ignorance.

Then they swarm the civilized world expecting handouts.

You see, the thing is – the rest of the human race is trying to move towards the future. To evolving our civilization. The Muslims just breed and slaughter anything in the path, stealing whatever isn’t locked down.

You are right, we probably do need to create a ‘command centre’ in order to fight back – because too many of us currently try to view Muslims through the same lens as we view ourselves. As human beings who deserve freedom, rights and opportunities.

Eventually, that welcome mat from the rest of the world will be withdrawn. Muslims will be seen for the plague that they are. Where will you lot be, then? There isn’t a Muslim country on the planet that can sustain itself without either foreign aid, or foreign workers. None of you are capable of anything other than theft, out of control breeding and primitive mayhem.

You’ll be regretting your glee then. When we create that ‘command centre’ of ours. You guys can’t even operate your own power grids without hiring us to build them and maintain them. Good luck with weaponry when we aren’t selling it to you. Good luck with devolving to a primitive existence -because it’ll happen within a decade of the rest of the world finally saying ‘enough is enough’ and leaving the lot of you to your silly cult and your own fate. Good luck even feeding yourselves.

Enjoy it, Semur! You won’t have stable electricty then. Let alone internet access, or computers lol. So keep running amok online while you can. Its not going to last. Better roll out the prayer mat – get some practice in. Because soon enough, all you’ll have left to do with your life will be to stick your head in the dirt, your backside in the air, looking to the left, to the right, up and down and all around, while you pray away your days to your sky fairy.

David
David
6 years ago
Reply to  Michael Buley

And whaddaya know … Naziism allied with Islam in WW2. Islam was their puppet, same as NK and Iran are Russia’s puppets now.

dad1927
dad1927
6 years ago

They throw them off buildings…

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disqus_KH0F5xMG8U
6 years ago
Reply to  dad1927

…but, but, but that’s part of their “flight training”!!!

Evil Liberal
Evil Liberal
6 years ago

Gays then Jews

David
David
6 years ago

It’s worse than that though.

They want us to weaken ourselves. They promote all sorts of perversions for the West, while they keep on with their traditions that work. Why do they hate Jews so much? For one thing, Jews also have conservative traditions and the Orthodox raise large families. Jews aren’t easy to push around culturally.

If they can stop the native people from reproducing, it’s that much easier for them to take it over.

michaelofsydney
michaelofsydney
6 years ago

CNN Reporting: A truly progressive faith Islam recognises the elevated status of homosexuals and how truly magical the rainbow people are. As with Mohammad who flew to heaven Islam have been experimenting with homosexuals and eminent Islamic scholars are convinced that by the end of the century they will have taught homosexuals to fly. Bin Rap Ing Boyz an isis Imam reported that the time it takes for a homosexual to fall from a building has decreased by 0.2 of a second over the past decade. Said Bin”We are convinced that eventually we will see the first homosexual fly to the moon”. He added “Allans compassion is great”. CNN endorses this wonderful programme and Anderson Cooper has been practicing jumping from his bed in anticipation.

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
6 years ago

LOL.

Tim Brown
Tim Brown
6 years ago

Well, Pam, as a person whom I would think would believe in the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and the teachings of the Old Testament, I would think you would hold to how God defined marriage and sexuality. Sodomy and lesbianism was condemned in Scripture. It was condemned by our forefathers and because we have not dealt with those who commit those crimes against nature, we’re now subjected to a ridiculous argument about redefining marriage. I’m no Muslim and hate Islam, but the fact is that America’s foundations are based on the Bible and those principles were codified in State laws… btw, NY used to put to death those who engaged in sodomy. For more on our history regarding the subject, I suggest: http://thewashingtonstandard.com/how-the-founding-fathers-dealt-with-those-who-engaged-in-sodomy/

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
6 years ago
Reply to  Tim Brown

I had thought there was no mention of lesbianism anywhere in the Tanakh.

Benton Marder
Benton Marder
6 years ago

The opportunist Left is just a likely to turn against the homosexuals to curry favour with Islam once they se where the bread is buttere. The Muslims have not gained the ifluence required yet, but they surely will do so in time.bnn Sheer numbers will do the tick. Muslims breed; homosexuals do not.

brian crawford
brian crawford
6 years ago

cant wait till the muslims turn on the left, its gonna be fun

JohnHoward
JohnHoward
6 years ago

Well, regardless of Muslim beliefs about gay marriage, we are going to have to void all same sex marriages in every state when Congress rules out transgender reproduction (as in Caitlyn Jenner trying to get pregnant, Chaz Bono trying to fertilize an egg). Marriage is only for couples with a right to procreate.

When we end gay marriage and admit we were wrong, terrorism will end too.

Gunter
Gunter
6 years ago

“The interests of Muslims and the interests of the Socialists coincide in
the war against the Crusaders.” [Western civilization]
~ Osama bin Laden, February 12th, 2003,
Al Jazeera Television

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“You can ignore reality, but you can’t ignore the consequences of ignoring reality.”
~ Ayn Rand

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
6 years ago

muslims, who are scheming liars, have allied with leftists, who are naive liars, the result is a massive interwoven pack of lies. When it finally unravels, leftists will realize that they were played as the fools they are, by muslims, who are very good at finding the naive and the stupid to use as tools. The lame stream media, a perfect example.

Matthew LaRoche
Matthew LaRoche
6 years ago

This is so obvious that commenting upon it would seem redundant, Except for the fact that the LBGT Community have been bamboozled so badly in this matter, well I guess if you’re going to play the identity politics game to grab resources that don’t belong to you, you just have to accept the fact that you might get your head chopped off at some point.

R. Arandas
R. Arandas
6 years ago

I think most Muslims are against gay marriage, even most Muslims in the West. It’s just that they’ve learned how the complexities of Western society and politics work enough that they don’t dare say anything in public.

Bruce Atchison
Bruce Atchison
6 years ago

What a shock it’ll be when the Muslims gain enough power to overpower the leftist dhimis. They’ll suddenly find themselves at the wrong end of the guns and knives. As it is, leftists are so deluded that they can’t see the danger. Their brain-dead philosophy of all people being basically good keeps them in the dark. A day will come when these enablers of Islamization will find their friends turning on them. By then, it’ll be far too late.

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