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So, with reference to muslim attacks this year so far, how are your methods working out?

You are so utterly clueless and full of yourself, it is not possible to discuss the obvious facts of reality. You are living in a world where everyone is supposed to synchronize with your view. As you haven’t noticed, it does not work that way. Everyone has to deal with what they have available. Perhaps you could convince a few muslims wherever you are to refrain from violence and compromise with their neighbours? Do keep the forum informed of how that goes.

You apparently have not read the que’an, nor have any grasp of what a muslim has to do to be considered acceptable.
Here is a brief commentary on shari’a, it is not theory, it is what muslims do every day, how do you propose this be changed to indicate the ideals you expect Christians to uphold?

James M. Arlandson: Thirty Shariah Laws That Are Bad For All Societies

SEPTEMBER 5, 2012 7:02 AM BY ROBERT SPENCER

16 Thirty Shariah Laws That Are Bad For All SocietiesCan Modern Islam Reform Old Islam?

by James M. Arlandson, Ph.D.

This list

of shariah laws is intended to be read by judges, lawyers, legislators, city council members, educators, journalists,government bureaucrats, think tankfellows, TV and radio talk show hosts, and anyone else who occupies the “check points” in society; you initiate the national dialogue and shape the flow of

the conversation in society. You are the decision and policy makers.

As intellectuals, you believe the critics of shariah exaggerate (and maybe some

are guilty of it). They”re just “Islamophobes.” Ignore them. Islam is a

worldwide religion, after all. It deserves respect.

You are also thorough relativists who believe in tolerance for all religions, in all their parts. At first glance, this is a commendable outlook.You like what Thomas Jefferson said, “But it does me no injury for my neighbor

to say there are twenty gods, or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my legs.”

It is true that beliefs that do not harm us monetarily or physically should be tolerated. Shariah has positive aspects to it — or, rather, they do no damage in those two ways. Therefore, parts of shariah should be tolerated in a

religiously diverse society like America.

The Five Pillars are examples. They are part of shariah —

divine Islamic law, which traces its origins ultimately back to the Quran (or Koran) and Muhammad’s example or life, the sacred traditions, which were eventually written down in the hadith. None of those five rituals and policies picks ourpockets or breaks our legs, if the five are done privately or in the mosque. Unfortunately, however, this list is not about the harmless parts in shariah, but the ones that are incompatible with the modern era.

Even Thomas Jefferson had his limits. He sent the marines to take back captured American merchant sailors and to open up the trade routes that were hampered by the Muslim Barbary pirates in North Africa, who had sold the captives into slavery or demanded ransoms.

Do the elites have any limits? In some cases, a religion does indeed pick our pockets and break our legs.

Each item in the list has one or more back-up articles. Readers should click on them to find out that the thirty points come right out of original Islam and are not invented out of thin air. Each back up also has a section on modern Islam, mentioning Muslims — too few — who advocate reform. And if readers would like to see various

translations of the Quran, they may go to the website quranbrowser.com and type in the references. If readers are in doubt about the meaning of a verse, they may go to the tafsir (commentary) written by Ibn Kathir (d. 1373), one of the most authoritative and highly regarded classical commentators in the Sunni world, at qtafsir.com; or the readers may search through the modern commentary by Sunni Indo-Pakistani religious scholar and politician Sayyid Abul A”la Maududi(d. 1979) at englishtafsir.com.

Political Islam

Punishments

Marital,

Domestic, and Women’s Issues

Conclusion

Political

Islam

1. The mosque and state are not separate.To this day, Islamic nations that

are deeply rooted in shariah, like Iran and Saudi Arabia, do not adequately separate the two realms, giving a lot of power to courts and councils to ensure that legislation does not contradict the Quran (never mind whose interpretation). Most of the laws listed below come from this confusion.

Back-up article:Mosque

and State

2. Jihad may be waged against injustice or an unjust nation, as Islam defines the terms. Classical texts say Islam is justice, and no Islam is injustice. Therefore, a “just war” can be waged against a nation or people who do not

submit to Islam. Yet we are told in the 1990 Cairo Declaration of Human Rights, which is based on shariah, that humane rules must be followed (Article Three)

Does that article offer hope that modern Islam can move past old Islam? Maybe.

However, the Quran, sacred traditions, classical law, and historical Islam contradict or balance out some elements in Article Three.

Would there be a conflict between the old Islam and modern Islam, if war broke out? Many Islamic clerics issue fatwas

(religious rulings) to wage jihad.

Back-up articles: Jihad and Qital and The Early Muslim Community and the Sword.

3. Jihad may be waged to spread Islam and force conversions — a holy war. Waging jihad to spread Islam and force conversions is a perfect description of “holy war.” See Quran 8:39, 9:5, 9:11-12, 9:14, and 9:29; and then see 9:33; 61:9

and 48:28. Yet, we have been told for many years now that holy wars and forced conversions were never done in Islam. That’s a myth imagined by Westerners. However, read those verses and click on the back-up articles:

Back-up

articles: Jihad and Qital,

The Mission of Muhammad and the Sword, and The Early Muslim Community.

4. A captive in jihad may be executed, enslaved, ransomed for money, exchanged for

other prisoners, or released freely. Quran 47:4 and 33:25-27, 4:24 says those things (and the last option — free release — is positive). Yet we are told that in a jihad today everything must

be done humanely and justly. However, the back-up article, this fourth item, and the next four items in this list balance out that claim. Would there be a conflict between old Islam and modern Islam, if war broke out?

Back-up

articles: Jihad and Qital and Slavery

5. A

woman captive of jihad may be forced to have to sex with her captors (now

owners).

Quran 4:24 and

especially the sacred traditions and classical law allow this. The sacred traditions

say that while out on military campaigns under Muhammad’s leadership, jihadists used to practice coitus interruptus with their female captives. Women soldiers fighting terrorists today must be forewarned of the danger.

Back-up

articles: Jihad and Qital and Slavery

6. Property can be destroyed or confiscated during jihad. Quran 59:2 and 59:5 discuss those rules. Sacred traditions and classical law expand on the Quranic verses. Modern Islamic law officially improves on the Quran: see Article Three of the 1990 Cairo Declaration of Human Rights, which is nonetheless based on shariah, but it outlaws wanton destruction of property. Would there be any conflict between old Islam and modern Islam in a war today?

Back-up

articles: Jihad and Qital and The Quran and the Sword

7. Jihad may be waged to collect spoils. Quran 8:1, 8:7, 8:41, and 48:20 show this clearly. Early

Islam followed the old Arab custom of raiding caravans, but as its military grew, the raids were elevated to jihad. The spoils of war were coveted. Which Islam would prevail in a war today — the old one or the modern one?

Back-up

articles: Jihadand Qital and The Quran and the Sword

8. A second-class submission tax, called the jizyah, must be imposed on Jews and Christians (and other religious minorities) living in Islamic countries.

Quran 9:29

offers three options to Jews and Christians: (1) Fight and die; (2) convert to Islam; (3) or keep their religion, but pay a tribute or submission tax, the jizyah, whileliving under Islam. In Islamic history, vanquished Jews and Christians became known as dhimmis. This word appears in Quran 9:8 and 9:10, meaning a “treaty” or “oath,” but it can also mean those who are “condemned” “reviled” or “reproved” (Quran 17:18, 17:22; 68:49). The word “submission” in Quran 9:29 can also be translated as “humiliation,” “utterly humbled,” “contemptible” or “vile.” It can mean “small” as opposed to “great.” Islamic nations today still seek to impose this second-class religion tax. Back-up

articles: Jihad and Qital and The Quran and the Sword

9. Slavery is allowed. It is true that freeing slaves was done in original Islam (Quran 5:89 and 24:33), and the Quran says to be kind to slaves (Quran 4:36), but that is not the entire story. In addition to those verses, Quran 4:24, 23:1-7; 33:52 allow the institution. Muhammad owned slaves, even one who was black (so says a sacred tradition). He was militarily and politically powerful during his later life in Medina, but he never abolished slavery as an institution.

Officially, Islamic nations have outlawed slavery (Article 11, which is still based on shariah). That proves Islam can reform on at least one matter. Can it reform on the other shariah laws? And we are told that “no other nation or religious group in the world treated slaves better than the Muslims did.” The back-up article and next two items in this list contradict that claim. The legacy of slavery still runs deep in Islamic countries even today.

Back-up article: Slavery

10. A male owner may have sex with his slave-women, even prepubescent slave-girls. See Quran 4:24 and 23:1-7; but it is classical law that permits sex with prepubescent slave girls and describes them as such. Some Muslim

religious leaders and others still advocate this practice, taking the slaves as concubines (though sex with prepubescent slave-girls is another matter).

Back-up article: Slavery 11. Slaves may be beaten. That’s what sacred traditions and classical laws say. See Islamic Jihad: A Legacy of Forced Conversion, Imperialism, and Slavery

Back-up article: Slavery

12. Apostasy laws, including imprisonment or execution, may be imposed on anyone who leaves

Islam (an apostate). Normally this is a prescribed punishment, but it is also

political, since it is about freedom of religion. Surprisingly the Quran does not cover punishing apostates down here on earth, though in the afterlife they will be punished. Does this modern Islam can reform old Islam? Quran 4:88-89,

9:73-74, and 9:123, read in that sequence, might deal with earthly punishments. Mainly, however, the sacred traditions and classical law permit harsh treatment for anyone who leaves Islam.

Islamic courts and laws still impose these punishments today, or religious scholars today argue for the law.

Back-up article: Freedom of Religion

13. Blasphemy laws, including imprisonment or execution, may be imposed on critics of Islam

or Muhammad. These verses should be read in historical sequence, for they show that as Islam’s military power increased, the harsh treatment of mockers and critics also intensified, as follows: Quran 3:186, 33:57-61, 9:61-66, 9:73

and 9:123. Sacred traditions, classical laws, and historical Islam are unambiguous about the punishments, recording the people, often their names, who were assassinated for mocking Muhammad and the Quran.

Islamic nations and pockets of Islam in non-Muslim countries still impose these punishments

today.

Back-up article: Free Speech

Punishments

14. Drinkers and gamblers may be flogged. Quran 2:219, 4:43, and 5:90-91, in that sequence, show that

Islam gradually prohibited alcohol. The last passage also prohibits “gaming” of sorts. The sacred traditions and classical law discuss punishing gamblers and alcoholics. One tradition says to execute unrepentant alcoholics who do not stop. But usually drinkers were flogged forty or eighty times, with garments, palm branches, or sandals in early Islam. Islamic countries can impose these punishments today, or religious and legal scholars still argue for it.

Back-up article: Muhammad, the Quran, and Prohibition

15. An injured plaintiff (a private citizen) has the options of forgiving or exacting legal and literal revenge — physical eye for physical eye. Categorized as qisas (like for like), Quran 5:45 is the main verse (and see 2:187-189). Sacred traditions and classical laws spell out which punishments should be inflicted on which offences. Islamic courts, depending on which way the plaintiff directs, today may ask a doctor to surgically remove an eye or disfigure the

face or body in some other way. Currently, qisas can be applied to children in Iran.The whole purpose of courts is to remove the punishment of wrongs and injuries from the plaintiffs who are private citizens; otherwise, blood feuds and personal revenge make punishments uneven — never mind excessive. Back-up article: Law of Retaliation

16. The hand of a male or female thief may be cut off. Quran 5:38 imposes this punishment. The traditions and classical law clarify that the theft has to be a valuable item; or mutilation might not be inflicted during a famine,

But amputation is still done today in Islamic countries and argued for by religious leaders or legal scholars to understand it as if it is still valid. Back-up article: Thieves, Give Muhammad a Hand!

17. A highway robber may be crucified or his alternate hand and foot cut off.

Quran 5:33 permit these punishments. Yes, from that verse other punishments can be inflicted, but the point here is that execution for first-degree murder with aggravated circumstances is one thing, but mutilation and crucifixion is excessive. Some Islamic nations can still impose them today, or religious and legal scholars still argue for understanding the punishments, as if they are still valid. Back-up article: Crucifixion and Mutilation

18.

Homosexuals may be imprisoned, flogged, or executed. Surprisingly, the Quran is not all that clear on this subject, but the traditions and classical laws are. Islamic nations to this day still impose those punishments, and

religious leaders still argue for harsh punishments. Back-up article: Homosexuality

19.

Fornicators may be flogged. Quran 24:2 says this. The hadith and classical laws can impose additional penalties like exile of the male for a year. Modern Islamic nations still inflict this penalty, and religious or legal scholars still argue for it.

Back-up article: Adultery and Fornication

20.

Adulterers may be stoned to death. The verse that says to stone adulterers to death went

missing from the Quran, so says Umar, a companion of Muhammad and the second caliph (ruled 634-644). But he left no doubt that this penalty was done under Muhammad’s direction, and the sacred traditions and classical laws confirm it. But a few rules of evidence must be followed, like confession of the adulterer

or four eyewitnesses. In some interpretations of the law, if a woman is raped, but cannot produce four just and pious men who witnessed it, then she is slandering the alleged rapist (or gang rapists) — never mind that the four just and pious eyewitnesses did nothing to stop it, but stood there and watched it. Some modern Islamic nations still do this, and religious and legal scholars argue for it.Back-up article: Adultery and Fornication

21.

False accusers of sexual crimes may be flogged eighty times. Quran 24:1-4 speak of corporal punishment for sexual sins. Verse 4 says that if an accuser cannot produce four eyewitnesses to corroborate his accusation, then he will be flogged (see Quran 24:13). Some modern Islamic nations can still impose the penalty for slander, and religious scholars still argue for it. Back-up article: Adultery and Fornication Marital, Domestic, and Women’s Issues

Quran 2:228 and 4:34 states that mankind is superior to womankind in a variety of legal and domestic

contexts. Quran 2:223 says wives are fields, and their husbands can go into them whenever and however they

like. How does this inferiority work out in the law and society? 22. A woman inherits half what a man does. Quran 4:11 says it, and the hadith (traditions) and classical law confirm it. Modern Islamic nations still do this, and religious leaders still argue for it.

Back-up article: Women’s Status and Roles

23. A woman’s testimony in a court of law counts half of a man’s testimony, since she

might “forget.” Quran 2:282 says it in the context of business law. But the hadith (traditions) explains that

women’s minds are deficient; classical law expands this curtailment to other areas than business.Modern Islamic nations still do this, and religious scholars still argue for it.Back-up article: Women’s Status and Roles

24. A man may legally and irrevocably divorce his wife, outside of a court of law, by correctly pronouncing three times “you are divorced.” Quran 2:229 says

this, and the traditions and classical law explain and confirm it. A judge in a modern Islamic country will ensure that the husband did not speak from a fit of irrational rage (anger is okay) or intoxication, for example. Then the court

will validate the divorce, not daring to overturn it, since the Quran says so. Sometimes this homemade and irrevocable divorce produces a lot of regret in the couple and manipulation from the husband in Islam today.

Back-up article: Divorce and Remarriage

25. A wife may remarry her ex-husband if and only if she marries another man, has sex

with him, and then this second man divorces her. Quran 2:230 says this, and the traditions and classical law confirm it. Supposedly, this rule is designed to prevent easy divorce (see the previous point), but it produces a lot of pain, in Muslims today.

Back-uparticle: Divorce and Remarriage

26. Husbands may hit their wives. Quran 4:34 says it, and the traditions and classical law confirm it. There is a sequence of steps a husband follows before he can hit her, but not surprisingly this rule creates all sorts of abuse and confusion in Islamic society today. Back-up article: Domestic Violence

27. A man may be polygamous with up to four wives. Quran 4:3 (and 33:50-52) allow this, but only if a man can take care of them. The traditions and classical law confirm it. Modern Muslims still push for this old marital arrangement even in the USA, and many Islamic nations still allow it. But some Muslims are fighting polygamy. The hadith (traditions) paints a picture of Muhammad’s household that was full of strife between the wives. Back-up article: Polygamy

28. A man may simply get rid of one of his “undesirable” wives. Quran 4:128 says this. The traditions say about the verse that the wife whom Muhammad wanted to get rid of was “huge” and “fat.” She gave up her turn to his favorite

girl-bride Aisha. He kept the corpulent wife. There is heartbreak in Islam today. Back-up article: Polygamy

29. A mature man may marry a prepubescent girl.Quran 65:1-4, particularly verse 4, assumes, but does not command, the practice. The hadith says Aisha was six years old when she was engaged to Muhammad (he was in his fifties), and their marriage was consummated when she was nine. The hadith indicate she was prepubescent at nine. She never did bear him any children. Classical law says a father may give away his prepubescent daughter, but she also has a few rights.

Officially many Islamic nations have raised the legal marriage age, but pockets in the Islamic

world still follow this old custom. The Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia okays marriage to ten-year-old girls. Work

is still needed to be done for the rights of girl brides, particularly for their sexual health. Back-up article: Marriage to Prepubescent Girls

30. A woman must wear a head covering and maybe a facial veil, according to sound traditions and authoritative classical law. Quran 24:31, 33:53 and 33:59 are not as clear about the veil as one might first think. The verses say to dress modestly, but should the head be covered or just the neckline? What about the face (except the eyes)? Thus, modern Muslims are now in a big debate over the veil. However, the traditions and classical law are clearer than the Quran: the veil over the face (except the eyes).

Respected Quran scholars in the past interpreted verse 4:34 with impressive candor. Tabari said that it means to “admonish them, but if they refused to repent, then tie them up in their homes and beat them until they obey Allah’s commands toward you.” Qurtubi told wife-beaters to avoid breaking bones, if possible, but added that “it is not a crime if it leads to death.” (source)

Muslim (4:1039) – “A’isha said [to Muhammad]: ‘You have made us equal to the dogs and the asses'” These are the words of Muhammad’s favorite wife, complaining of the role assigned to women under Islam.

York MSA Female students wearing hijab and niqab, who manned the Info Booth at the Central Square of York University, handed out to students the book “Women in Islam & Refutation of some Common Misconceptions,” authored by the Saudi scholar Dr. Abdul-Rahman al-Sheha and printed by the Saudi Dawah organization Muslim World League (رابطة العالم الاسلامي). For Blogwrath’s report on the event click here.

The following are excerpts from the book:

“Although beating of women is generally forbidden, Islam permits the beating of wives in a restricted and limited sense only as a final solution and acceptable valid reason when all else fails… Allah deals with the case of a wife who behaves immorally towards her husband’s rights. The treatment of this extremely sensitive issue comes in gradual stages… Third and final stage: Beating without hurting, breaking a bone, leaving black or blue marks on the body, and avoiding hitting the face or especially sensitive places at any cost. The purpose of beating her is only to discipline… This treatment is proved to be very effective with two types of women… The first type: Strong willed, demanding and commandeering women… The second type: Submissive or subdued women. These women may even enjoy being beaten at times as a sign of love and concern… Beating, according to the Islamic teachings, is listed as the last and final stage of disciplining methods.”

Sura 8 of the Koran is entitled “The Spoils,” which refers to the booty that shall be taken from the infidels. Al-Awlaki says that taking money by force from disbelievers as booty is the “best and purest form of income.” The basis for his statement comes from the Hadith Sahih Bukhari, when Muhammad said, “the spoils of war are made halal for me” (see Volume 1, Book 7, Number 331).

Al-Awlaki also cites a Hanafi scholar who says stealing from people in the dar al-harb “is considered mubah (permitted) just like hunting or wood gathering.” Al-Awlaki references other traditional Muslim sources who say that theft and embezzlement are different from booty because they are taken by deception or trickery rather than by force, but that such theft and embezzlement is still legal. Al-Awlaki’s full “ruling” is available at Jihadology.