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This is big international news today — but my colleague Robert Spencer was saying it over a month ago.
“Scholars catch up to Spencer, realize ancient Qur’an challenges Islam’s origins,” by Robert Spencer, Jihad Watch, August 31, 2015:
Story continues below advertisement“Fragments of the world’s oldest Koran, found in Birmingham last month, may predate the Prophet Muhammad and could even rewrite the early history of Islam, according to scholars.” That’s the lead paragraph of the story below, which is dated today. The implication is that the text existed before it became part of the Qur’an — which would completely demolish the Islamic claim that the Qur’an was delivered in perfect form through Gabriel from Allah to Muhammad, and wasn’t based on any source texts at all.
On July 22, I wrote this about the same Qur’an manuscript: “So if this is a fragment of the Qur’an as it now stands…and yet it could date from as far back as 568, two years before Muhammad is supposed to have been born, it might not be a fragment of the Qur’an at all. It could instead be a portion of some source that later became part of the Qur’an…”
On July 27, I wrote that “this could be a portion of a pre-Islamic source for the Qur’an.”
Glad to see the academics catching up.
“The ‘Birmingham Koran’ fragment that could shake Islam after carbon-dating suggests it is OLDER than the Prophet Muhammad,” by Jennifer Newton, MailOnline, August 31, 2015 (thanks to all who sent this in):
Fragments of the world’s oldest Koran, found in Birmingham last month, may predate the Prophet Muhammad and could even rewrite the early history of Islam, according to scholars.
The pages, thought to be between 1,448 and 1,371 years old, were discovered bound within the pages of another Koran from the late seventh century at the library of the University of Birmingham.
Written in ink in an early form of Arabic script on parchment made from animal skin, the pages contain parts of the Suras, or chapters, 18 to 20, which may have been written by someone who actually knew the Prophet Muhammad – founder of the Islamic faith.
The pages were carbon-dated by experts at the University of Oxford, a process which showed the Islamic holy book manuscript could be the oldest Koran in the world.
The discovery was said to be particularly significant as in the early years of Islam, the Koran was thought to have been memorised and passed down orally rather written.
But now several historians have said that the parchment might even predate Muhammad.
It is believed that the Birmingham Koran was produced between 568AD and 645AD, while the dates usually given for Muhammad are between 570AD and 632AD.
Historian Tom Holland, told the Times: ‘It destabilises, to put it mildly, the idea that we can know anything with certainty about how the Koran emerged – and that in turn has implications for the history of Muhammad and the Companions.’
Keith Small, from the University of Oxford’s Bodleian Library, added: ‘This gives more ground to what have been peripheral views of the Koran’s genesis, like that Muhammad and his early followers used a text that was already in existence and shaped it to fit their own political and theological agenda, rather than Muhammad receiving a revelation from heaven….
Or alternatively, some other individual or group used texts that were already in existence and shaped them to fit their own political and theological agenda, as I show in Did Muhammad Exist.
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8 years agoReply to USMCInfidelHindsight is, they say, 20/20. I for one would like to read an honest translation of what is written. I know that islam became more virulent after the 9th century — not that Mo was so nice to begin with. If this predated him then it gives really great credence to those who claim (like me!) that islam is a cult and that the muslim koran was a hodge-podge taken from Judaism and Christianity. The only thing “original” about islam was its blood-lust and misogymy. Repeat this chant after me: “The ONLY good muslim is Apostate. The ONLY. . . “
8 years agoSo…looks like it was plagiarized! One fatwa, coming right up.
8 years agohere’s a very interesting critique about the quran and their “holy prophet”!
8 years agoThe Koran was developed by Bedouin nomads in the Saudi Arabian desert. It is a collection of pieced together portions of Judaism and Christianity along with traditional Bedouin folklore and customs. Muhammed was raised by these Bedouins and added his own spin to the religion. Islam is a religion developed by and for the desert peoples of that region of the Middle East. Primitive and backward.
8 years agoAll this may prove is that the Islamic world’s belief system was essentially the creation and the prose of man. That is not to say that their isn’t goodness and healthy morality vested in the worlds belief systems; to the contrary, peaceful religious belief which adopts good neighborliness and tolerance is to be admired and practiced. Though this finding may question the so-called Islamic prophet’s honesty and create strong reasons to reject any notion that a HIGHER AUTHORITY had anything to do with the so-called holy books of Islam, the fact is that it will ultimately change nothing. Islam is here, and the abhorrent evil in its writings and teachings will continue to be the basis for its inane conclusions which to the Islamic followers justify its Jihadi approach of total world dominance. Nothing will change the psychotic behavior of those Islamist who have been taught that only Islam is acceptable. Even if we could establish scientifically, proving that the concepts that they believe in are bogus and nothing more than a compilation of the writings and passed down beliefs of prior man communicated commentary, nothing will change in todays world. What needs to change is the free world’s determination and recognition that this evil must be terminated. Only a showing that defeats this evil belief system will have the affect of convincing the Jihadi believers that no HIGHER AUTHORITY has ever had anything to do with their belief system as written and practiced on earth..
8 years agoReply to DennisWhat you say is true. However if the origin of the Koran can be debunked by scholars and hard science then maybe the lefties will stop defending Islam as such a pure religion. You’re right – the evidence won’t sway the devout Muslim – most of them can’t read Arabic (or read at all). Those that can, among them the hardline Islamists, will never leave the doctrine that justifies their actions.
After reading Spencer’s “Did Mohammed Exist” I came to feel that he is a figure of legend rather than a figure of history. Like King Arthur. Perhaps a composite of a few real men and a good part Bedouin wet dream.8 years agoReply to RichardWhile I believe that many religious belief systems started with a political slant which intended to be the basis for a way to control its believer’s lives in a very firm manner, most religions today have evolved into ones of tolerance, righteousness and good morality, with the political bent being lost to history. Unfortunately, Islam has not lost that characteristic and it continues to pursue world dominance. I note that the commentaries posted before this article, talk directly about the negative impact of Islamic migration on the whole of Europe, and I believe that proves my point that we are dealing with a serious danger to the free world’s well being. That is why I truly believe that we must destroy this evil which I believe will continue to attempt it’s pursuit of world political dominance, in the same manner that we destroyed Hitler in the last century.
8 years agoReply to RichardI don’t think (most) lefties really care whether islam is true or not. For them, it is just one more ally in the destruction of Western civilisation which is in turn a fundamental part of islam. They see muslims as just well intentioned, but with a slight behavioural problem (and a unwanted association with partners such as Islamic State). They fail to see that islam is the most destructive doctrine that ever came out the mind of man, and that it is the responsibility of every muslim to see that the destruction takes place.
8 years agoWe can only hope that scholars will find some more fragments. Maybe written by………….Jesus’s sane and peaceful cousin, the Arab.
8 years agoEveryone with a brain knows Satanic Islam is a counterfeit.
8 years agowhat 99% muslims don’t realize they have a dilemma with their quran: The Quran, the Bible, and the Islamic Dilemma https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNAS0aaViM4&index=13&list=FLo-qZ8onMje41k9J87KapKg
8 years agoMuhammad was indeed preceded by another Arabian prophet called Ar-Rahman (Musaylimah).
The cult of ar-Rahman or ar-Rahim has been well documented in the Yemen, over two hundred years before Muhammad was born. Moreover, it would be reasonable to assume this cult was long established, centered in al-Yamama, and extending well beyond.
Deducing from non-refutable evidence, it can be concluded that Muhammad used
existing cultural and religious motifs.All evidence indicates by frequent redundancy the conclusion that Muhammad did not originate the tenets of the religion of Islam. He simply merged the pre-existing Arabian pagan customs with numerous other long established faiths in the region into a new religious concoction. Inadvertently, such deception has been overlooked with blind rejection by Muslims today, in spite of well documented archaeological
and historical facts. For more info on origins of the Qur’an and Islam see:
http://bigfaithministries.com/a-common-sense-analysis-of-the-quran/8 years agoReply to BigFaithSo why is it that so many church leaders accept Islam as an equal partner these days? I think it would be easier to convince Moslems of the error of their ways if more Christians stood by their own faith.
8 years agoReply to Virginia AllstonNice to see you spell Moslem correctly. You are so right..we unfortunately have become too PC to expect that Islam is not an equal partner!
8 years agoReply to Virginia AllstonWhy do you assume so many church leaders do? None that I know accept Islam as anything but demonic.
8 years agoIslam is a cult built around a man, one who may have been real, but could have been a composite or an apocryphal fable. Cults are not religion so Islam is not a religion. There are supposedly 7 tests of what is a religion. Islam fails at least three of them. Importantly, the koran states that the sun revolves about the earth. This nonsense if still being taught, too. If some divine agency provided information to Mohammed, it seems to me that this statement would not have been taught. That, all by itself, discredits the koran (and everything that goes with it) as a “holy” document. Moreover, check out Atantic Monthly, January 1999. There is a splendid article on how an ancient koran was found in an old mosque. What is so important about this is that it was different from more modern versions proclaiming how the koran is the “immutable word of Allah.” Yeh, sure; so much for “immutablity.”
8 years agoReply to abincOK, we like to call Islam a cult; I’m guilty of that too. But in reality a cult is a small gathering. When more and more adherents come on board then it becomes a religion.
Christianity and Buddhism both began as cults, each revolving as it did around one man: Christ and Buddha. The movements grew but still retained the names of their “founders.” Not so Islam, strangely enough, which used to be known as Muhammadanism (spelled in several ways).
But I’d be careful about highlighting koranic nonsense such as a geocentrism. The Bible is awash with this and more, as are all religions that were invented before Copernicus’s day.
The discovery of this older koran is interesting. But only interesting. There’ll be many more such finds, and not one will have any effect on the Muslim world. The Islamic astrologers—sorry, theologians; I’m forever confusing the two—will waste years if not decades of their lives trying to explain away the discrepancies. I believe it’s called “apologetics.”
I’d rather they apologized for 9/11 and all the other atrocities.
8 years agoReply to June SkeltonYours is a thoughtful reply. I’ll respond with a question: What religion would survive without it’s central character? Here is my answer and I’d be interested in yours: I think that Judaism and Christianity would exist if there had been no Abraham or Jesus. Buddhism being a philosophy to begin with would survive. Ditto Hinduism. But Islam would dissolve without Mo.
As to the idea of the bible having errors of scientific fact, I see nothing that is ascribed to a deity which is incorrect; all that I’ve read are human ideas written by human authors which may be interpretation of what they claim the deity said. But in islam, Mo is claiming that his god dictated to him and that the words are “inviolate” — they cannot be changed.
The books of Leviticus and Ezekial are special favorites of mine. Leviticus because it is a “handbook” of how to prevent and cure fungal infections in humans or moldy houses. Ezekial because his “wheel” sure does suggest contact with an extraterrestial entity.
But here is something else for you! There is a marvelous website called “Phenomena.” One of the recent articles described invisible zombies (and I’m adding “from outer space.”) Apparently, there are tiny organisms — bacteria, mainly — that are swept up from the Earth’s surface and remain airborne in the upper atmosphere virtually indefinitely. They are essentially “dead” until reactiviated by moisture. They are resistant to cosmic rays, low or no oxygen and drying. I am wondering if these organisms are found in space, as well. No one knows because no one has looked. So what if sampling of space finds these organisms? What if outer space — even interplanetary space — is “populated” by these wee “zombies” that arrive on suitable host planets, revive and start to grow? What if life on earth has this as its origin, not some miracle in primordial ooze or (especially) the wave of the hand of some supernatural entity? I would love to see the pope and the imams try to explain THAT away!
Jay
8 years agoReply to abincIMO you are both incorrect: islam is an ideology that uses its religious component as a shield and the warlord came well before the prophet, just as Hitler was in the process of evolving from the warlord to the prophet(well under way by 1944) except that unlike Muhammad he had an opponent equally riuthless but with more bodies. Himmler’s reasons were that ideology did not allow that great last 10m push but heaven (and its 72 houris) would and did. Himmler used to bring friends to witness Jehovah’s witnesses dying fearlessly for JoN and he used to say:”That is how I want my men to die”.
8 years agoReply to MichelleHimmler died though as a coward – murdered his own children and took cyanide…wimp!
8 years agoReply to abincSorry, Jay, but I can’t see anything in the Bible or any other “holy” book that points to an extraterrestrial provenance.
You allude to Leviticus but my reading of it suggests that it’s nothing more than a reflection of the ancient customs and mores of a very primitive people. A condoning of war, genocide, slavery, child marriage, pedophilia, incest: it’s all there.
That Yahweh guy also seems to have been ignorant of the existence of solar systems, galaxies, and astrophysics in general. Closer to home, the existence of other continents and their inhabitants—e.g. kangaroos, polar bears, and penguins—seems to have eluded his omniscient notice.
Many thanks for the heads-up on that wonderful website: http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/ It’s joined my bookmarks!
In return, allow me to recommend a little book I downloaded to my Kindle recently: Holy Bible – Best God Damned Version – Genesis: For atheists, agnostics, and fans of religious stupidity
It’s a laugh a minute and makes fun of the absurdity that we call The Bible. It’s by Steve Ebling and confines itself to Genesis. Can’t wait for the next installments!
http://www.amazon.com/Holy-Bible-agnostics-religious-stupidity-ebook/dp/B00G68FI98
8 years agoReply to June SkeltonVery daring to write such a book about the bible. Let’s see him write the same type of thing about the koran, get it published, and have it sold on Amazon. I won’t hold my breath.
8 years agoReply to June SkeltonThanks for the reference. I’ll check it out! Sure, I concur that ancient texts were largely ignorant of the workings of the solar system, etc. In Leviticus, my interest was confined to those passages giving instructions on how to deal with fungal infections — which they/he called “leprous conditions.” Cedar oil, for example, is a weak fungicide. And the so-called “priests” would today be “hygienists” and “engineers.” But we stray from the point: absent Mohammed, there is no islam. THAT is the mark of a cult — it is built around a person. When that person is removed, the cult has no foundation. (OK, ok; maybe worship of animals, trees, etc. are cults too, but that doesn’t change my thesis.) And by the way, I’ve read the koran and the bible cover to cover. Why? Easy. It strengthens my DIS-belief.
8 years agoReply to June SkeltonThe Bible is often spoken of as “free from all error” but that is in reference to religion, and doesn’t make it a science or history book. I have a Bible which includes an encyclical by Pope Pius XII. It is long, and I find it difficult reading, but, topics addressed include printing or copying errors, and the finding of new sources (maybe the Dead Sea Scrolls) and new translations and interpretations. One summation is “This is our Faith, there is no error”, however, a couple of sentences later is “This is not a science book.”
I put in some of these search words and found this web site which also explains this contradiction:
http://www.catholic.com/magazine/articles/is-everything-in-the-bible-true
Centuries ago, if there was only one book in one’s village, it was probably a Bible, and, probably, the only person who could read it was the local priest (also maybe the local noble) and the priest may have doubled as doctor or herbalist. So, if looking for information, they may have looked in the Bible for science, medicine, and history. But, that does not mean we have to rely on it for that today.8 years agoReply to St. Michael Defend UsThere is no such thing as “the Bible”. There are bibles, hundreds of them, all vying for acceptance, most contradicting each other, most forged. So many that Emperor Constantine locked a bunch of scholars up and told them to produce a definitive Bible. They fought each other, cursed each other, finally realizing if they didn’t produce they would stay locked up.
Even then the KJV is not a good translation of the Old Testament, unpalatable verses being subtly changed.8 years agoReply to June Skelton1 basic problem with your diatribe: its incorrect from its foundation. God did not come to command men to change from the outside – but from the inside, from the heart. Just as you would resist any law that commanded you to practice Christianity – so did God. For one, you do not understand the very basic ideas God presents – for instance: slavery. Slavery in the culture of the Bible commanded that those who followed God to treat their slaves well and many were raised within the household of their owners. This took place within a world culture that treated slaves as less than human. You act so educated but before the Lord your “knowledge” is…in the Words of the Bible: dung.
8 years agoReply to June SkeltonThe Bible NEVER states that the Earth is the center of the Universe or the galaxy for that matter. The Bible reveals truths of the universe that were not verified by astronomy for 1000’s of years…for instance: the Pleiades, which is Hebrew for “7” was believed to only contain 5 stars until the invention of the telescope proved the Bible correct. The Bible says the Earth is round, not flat.
So many more but I’ll leave it there.8 years agoReply to Skeeter McCluskyYes, if I were you I’d leave it there too. Next we know, you’ll be telling us that Noah’s flood actually occurred, and that his cargo included a pair of kangaroos.
8 years agoReply to June SkeltonThe flood occurred, and yes, there was a pair of kangaroos. Please, go educate yourself.
evolution-facts.org.
The oldest historical records of mankind in our possession were written by Moses. These are the books of Genesis and Job. In the first of these is given the history of the world from about 4000 B.C. on down to about 1900 B.C. In the first two chapters of Genesis we find an account of Creation Week, when our world and everything in it were made. In Genesis 6 to 9 we are told about the worldwide Flood that occurred about 2348 B.C. (1656 A.M. [anno mundi], or about 1,656 years after Creation).
The effects of that gigantic flood of waters were so dramatic that we find many evidences of it today. It is impossible to properly study origins and earth science without an understanding of the effects of the Flood. For this reason, we are including it in this chapter.
We will begin by considering rock strata and fossil remains as an effect and evidence of the Flood.
Following this, we will view several non-strata and fossil effects of the time before the Flood, during the Flood, and a period of time immediately after the Flood ended.
In this chapter, we will obtain a better understanding of the effects of the Flood. We will also see more clearly how those effects prove, not uniformitarianism, but catastrophism. There was a worldwide Flood! It alone can explain so many geographical features on our planet today.
UNIFORMITARIANISM—A basic principle of evolution for over a century has been the theory of uniformitarianism, which teaches that “all things continue as they were from the beginning” (you will find 2 Peter 3:3-7 interesting reading).
When evolutionists gaze upon the immense ocean, the millions of fossils and thick coal seams in the sedimentary rocks, the sea shells on top of the highest mountains, the deep canyons with small rivers, vast dried-up lake beds, and thrust-up mountain blocks,—they declare that it all came about by the same fairly gentle processes and natural forces that are operating today.
“This is the great underlying principle of modern geology and is known as the principle of uniformitarianism . . Without the principle of uniformitarianism there could hardly be a science of geology that was more than pure description.”—*W.D. Thornbury, Principles of Geomorphology (1957), pp. 16-17.
Thoughtful scientists admit that the uniformitarian theory explains nothing about the age of fossils, rock strata, the age of the earth, or anything else:
“The idea that the rates or intensities of geological processes have been constant is so obviously contrary to the evidence that one can only wonder at its persistence . . Modern uniformitarianism . . asserts nothing about the age of the Earth or about anything else.”—*James H. Shea, “Twelve Fallacies of Uniformitarianism,” in Geology, September 1982, p. 457.
“Uniformitarianists find it particularly difficult to apply their principle, namely: (1) the cause of mountain-building; (2) the origin of geosynclines; (3) the origin of petroleum; (4) the cause of continual glaciation; (5) the mechanics of overthrusting; (6) the cause of peneplains; (7) the cause of world-wide warm climates; (8) the nature of volcanism producing vast volcanic terrains; (9) the nature of continental uplift processes; (10) the origin of mineral deposits; (11) the nature of metamorphism; (12) the origin of saline deposits; (13) the nature of granitization; and (14) the origin of coal measures. Not one of the above phenomena has yet been adequately explained in terms of present processes.”—H.R. Siegler, Evolution or Degeneration—Which? (1972).
See chapter 12, Fossils and Strata, for much more information on this.
CATASTROPHISM—In contrast, the concept called catastrophism teaches that a terrible crisis occurred at some earlier time.
Geologic evidence on all sides is clear that it was a catastrophe of such gigantic proportions that rocks were twisted, mountains were hurled upward, water was pulled out of the earth, and the very atmosphere was dramatically affected. As a consequence, thousands of volcanoes erupted and vast glaciers moved downward from poles which had earlier been warm.
“[*Bretz] has been unable to account for such a flood but maintained that field evidence indicated its reality. This theory represents a return to catastrophism which many geologists have been reluctant to accept.”—*W.D. Thornbury, Principles of Geomorphology (1954), p. 401.
The evidence is so profound that many secular scientists are indeed turning away from uniformitarianism.
“In fact, the catastrophists were much more empirically minded than Lyell [who first widely championed uniformitarianism over a century ago]. The geologic record does seem to require catastrophism: rocks are fractured and contorted; whole faunas are wiped out. To circumvent this literal appearance, Lyell imposed his imagination upon the evidence. The geologic record, he argued, is extremely imperfect and we must interpolate into it what we can reasonably infer but cannot see. The catastrophists were [in contrast] the hard-nosed empiricists of their day.”—*Stephan Jay Gould, “Catastrophes and Steady State Earth,” in Natural History, February 1975, p. 17. [Gould is a professor at Harvard University, teaching geology, biology, and the history of science.]
“Conventional uniformitarianism, or ‘gradualism,’ i.e., the doctrine of unchanging change, is verily contradicted by all post-Cambrian sedimentary data and the geotectonic [earth movement] histories of which these sediments are the record.”—*P.D. Krynine, “Uniformitarianism is a Dangerous Doctrine,” in Paleontology, 1956, p. 1004.
“Often, I am afraid the subject [of geology] is taught superficially, with Geikie’s maxim ‘the present is the key to the past’ used as a catechism and the imposing term ‘uniformitarianism’ as a smokescreen to hide confusion both of student and teacher.”—*Stephen Jay Gould, “Is Uniformitarianism Useful?” in Journal of Geological Education, October 1957, p. 150.
I – FOSSILS, STRATA, AND THE FLOOD
Although this section duplicates portions of our earlier chapter, Fossils and Strata, the duplication is considered necessary, for we will now correlate the fossil and strata evidence with the worldwide Flood. Without doing so, it would be more difficult to properly assess the relationships, implications, and impact of the Flood.
FOSSILS AND ROCK STRATA—Above the molten rock at the center of our planet is a mantle of black basalt, from which flows the lava which issues forth out of volcanoes. Above that basalt is to be found the light-colored, coarse-grained crystals we call granite. This is the basement rock of the world and undergirds all of our continents. At times this granite is close to the surface, but frequently a large quantity of sedimentary rock is above it.
The sedimentary rock that overlays the granite was obviously laid down by a gigantic flood of waters, and is characterized by strata or layers. The strata are composed of water-borne sediments, such as pebbles, gravel, sand, and clay.
“About three-fourths, perhaps more, of the land area of the earth, 55 million square miles [142 million km2], has sedimentary rock as the bedrock at the surface or directly under the cover of the mantle-rock . . The thickness of the stratified rocks range from a few feet to 40,000 feet [121,920 dm] or more at any one place . . The vast bulk of the stratified rocks is composed of shallow-water deposits.”—*O.D. von Engeln and *K.E. Caster, Geology (1952), p. 129.
Within that strata is to be found billions upon billions of fossils. These are the remains—or the casts—of plants and animals that suddenly died. Yet fossilization does not normally occur today; for it requires sudden death, sudden burial, and great pressure.
“To become fossilized a plant or animal must usually have hard parts, such as bone, shell or wood. It must be buried quickly to prevent decay and must be undisturbed throughout the process.”—*F.H.T. Rhodes, H.S. Zim, and *P.R. Shaffer, Fossils (1962), p. 10.
The sedimentary strata (also called fossil-bearing strata or “the geologic column”) were laid down at the time of the Flood. There are no fossils in the granite, for that rock was formed prior to the Flood.
We would not expect to find fossils in granite since the astounding information given in chapter 3, Origin of the Earth, reveals granite to be “Creation rock,” antedating the Flood. We there learned that, back in the beginning, granite came into existence in less than three minutes!
MILLIONS OF ANIMALS SUDDENLY DIED—The quantity of fossils in the sedimentary rocks is enormous.
“At this spot [in Wyoming] the fossil hunters found a hillside literally covered with large fragments of dinosaur bones . . In short, it was a veritable mine of dinosaur bones . . The concentration of the fossils was remarkable; they were piled in like logs in a jam.”—*Edwin Colbert, Men and Dinosaurs (1968), p. 151.
Scores of other instances of immense “fossil graveyards” could be cited. Vast quantities of plants and animals were suddenly buried. So many fossils exist that one researcher made a carbon inventory,—and found that at the present time—most of the carbon in our world is locked within the fossils in the sedimentary strata!
There must have been an immense quantity of living plants and animals before the worldwide Flood occurred. Evidence indicates that, back then, our world had no deserts, high mountains, few or no oceans, and plants and animals flourished even near the poles. So the world would have been filled with vegetation and animal life.
MOST SPECIES ARE ALREADY EXTINCT— Some great natural catastrophe occurred earlier in history, for most of the species which have ever lived are no longer alive!
“Natural selection not only brings new species into existence—if it does—but also eliminates species, and on a colossal scale. It is calculated that 99 per cent of all the species which have ever existed are now extinct. So perhaps it may be more instructive to discover why species vanish than why they appear.”—*G.R. Taylor, Great Evolution Mystery (1983), p. 86.
“There is no need to apologize any longer for the poverty of the fossil record. In some ways it has become almost unmanageably rich, and discovery is outpacing integration.”—*T.N. George, “Fossils in Evolutionary Perspective,” in Science Progress, January 1960, p. 1.
WHY FOSSILS ARE SO IMPORTANT—The term, “evolution,” means that species change gradually into different species. If such species changes are occurring today, the transitional forms should be seen. If it has occurred in the past the fossil record will show the transitional forms.
It is of interest that evolution bases its case on the fossils. This is because there is no evidence that evolutionary processes are occurring today. Therefore the Darwinists must consider the fossils to be their primary evidence that it has ever occurred at all.
“The most important evidence for the theory of evolution is that obtained from the study of paleontology [fossils]. Though the study of other branches of zoology, such as comparative anatomy or embryology, might lead one to suspect that animals are all interrelated, it was the discovery of various fossils and their correct placing in relative strata and age that provided the main factual basis for the modern view of evolution.”—*G.A. Kerkut, Implications of Evolution (1960), p. 134.
“Although the comparative study of living plants and animals may give very convincing circumstantial evidence, fossils provide the only historical, documentary evidence that life has evolved from simpler to more and more complex forms.”—*O. Dunbar, Historical Geology (1960), p. 47.
But just as there are no transitional forms today, there are none in the past either! At the present time, all we have are distinct plant and animal kinds. No transitional species are to be found. (We will frequently refer to these basic types as “species,” although man-made classification systems vary, sometimes incorrectly classifying sub-species or genera as “species.” See chapter 11, Animal and Plant Species for more on this.)
In that great window to the past—the fossil record—we also find only distinct plant and animal kinds, with no transitional forms. With the exception of creatures that have become extinct (plants and animals which are no longer alive today, such as the dinosaurs), all fossils of plants and animals which did not become extinct are just like those living today (stasis). Only distinct species are to be found; there are no halfway, or transitional, species (gaps). Thus there is NO evidence of evolution in the fossils.
In *Kerkut’s statement, quoted above, it is “the placing” of the fossils in the strata that provides the evidence of evolution. All the Darwinists have to base their case on is placement, not transitional forms. But what caused that placement?
FOSSIL PLACEMENT—The slowest-moving creatures were buried first; after that, the faster-moving ones. As the waters of the worldwide deluge rose higher and still higher, they first covered the slowest-moving water creatures and buried them under sediment.
Then the slower-moving land creatures were covered and buried under sediment. Then the more agile creatures (both water and land) were covered. In the fossil-bearing sedimentary strata we frequently find this arrangement, with the smaller creatures in the lower strata and the larger ones higher up.
Yet even the smallest creatures are complex. Just beneath the lowest stratum, the Cambrian, we find no fossils at all! This is both an astonishment and a terrible disappointment to the evolutionists. The lowest-level life forms in the strata are complex multi-celled animals and plants.
“It has been argued that the series of paleontological [fossil] finds is too intermittent, too full of ‘missing links’ to serve as convincing proof. If a postulated ancestral type is not found, it is simply stated that it has not so far been found. Darwin himself often used this argument—and in his time it was perhaps justifiable. But it has lost its value through the immense advances of paleobiology [the study of animal fossils] in the twentieth century . . The true situation is that those fossils have not been found which were expected. Just where new branches are supposed to fork off from the main stem it has been impossible to find the connecting types.”—*N. Heribert-Nilsson, Synthetische Artbildung (1953), p. 1168 [Director of the Botanical institute at Lund, Sweden].
Each twig on the imaginary plant and animal “family trees” is a distinct plant or animal type, either extinct or like what we have today (although frequently larger). But there are no intermediate life forms to connect the twigs! There are no branches and no trunk, only “twigs.” The rest of the tree is imaginary.
RAPID FORMATION OF IMMENSE DEPOSITS—Nowhere on earth today do we have fossils forming on the scale that we see in geologic deposits. The Karro Beds in Africa, for example, contain the remains of perhaps 800 billion vertebrates! But such fossils are not forming today. A million fish can be killed in red tides in the Gulf of Mexico, but they simply decay away; they do not become fossils. Similarly, debris from vegetation does not today become coal. In order for fossilization to occur, the vegetation would have to be rapidly buried under an extremely heavy load of sediment.
It required massive flood conditions to do all that burying. An immense worldwide catastrophe occurred in the past. It produced the Sicilian hippopotamus beds, the fossils of which are so extensive that they are mined as a source of charcoal; the great mammal beds of the Rockies; the dinosaur beds of the Black Hills and the Rockies, as well as in the Gobi Desert; the fish beds of the Scottish Devonian stratum, the Baltic amber beds, Agate Spring Quarry in Nebraska, and hundreds more. None of this fossil-making is being done today. It only happened one time in history—at the time of the Flood.
Frequently the fossils in these beds come from widely separated and differing climatic zones, only to be thrown together in disorderly masses. Nothing but a worldwide Flood can explain this. And those fossils had to be rapidly buried. *Pinna explains why this is so.
“In fact, when an organism dies, the substances that compose its soft parts undergo more or less rapid decay, due to such factors as attack by bacteria and erosion by water (particularly the sea) . . If an organism is to be preserved, it must be protected from destructive agents as quickly as possible . . And the sooner that this consolidation occurs, the more likely it is that the organism will be preserved . . there are also certain layers, such as those formed from extremely fine-grained calcareous rocks, which have consolidated so rapidly as to permit the preservation of the most delicate structures of many organisms.”—*G. Pinna, The Dawn of Life, pp. 1-2 [Deputy Director of the Museum of Natural History in Milan, Italy].
In spite of these facts, there are still science writers who imagine that when an animal falls into mud, tar, or water—and dies,—it becomes a fossil! But such an idea is only fiction.
“We can easily imagine the predicament which led to the fossilization of the three individuals [three fossil birds] so long ago. They were probably forced into reluctant flight by some pursuing reptilian predator, only to flop down on the water and mud from which they could not rise.”—*R. Peterson, The Birds, p. 10.
PRECAMBRIAN VOID—The lowest stratum with fossils in it is called the “Cambrian.” It has a great wealth of over a thousand different types of creatures—all complex and multi-celled marine animals.
“At least 1500 species of invertebrates are known in the Cambrian, all marine, of which 60% are trilobites and 30% brachiopods.”—*Maurice Gignoux, Stratigraphic Geology (1955), p. 46.
Above this are the Ordovician, Silurian, and Devonian, and they all include sea creatures similar to those in the Cambrian. It is not until the Permo-Carboniferous that the first land animals are encountered.
The worldwide fossil strata give abundant evidence of a great flood of waters that covered the earth. Below the sedimentary strata, with its hoard of fossils, we find the “Precambrian period,”—and no fossils. (Some scientists claim that a few are there, others say they are not sure, while still others maintain that there are absolutely no fossils below the Cambrian.)
The sedimentary strata with their billions of fossils are both a powerful effect and evidence of the Flood. The Precambrian lack of fossils is an additional evidence of it. Evolutionists point to these strata with their fossils as proof of evolution. But throughout the fossil rock we should find transitional—evolving—types of plants and animals. In addition, at the bottom below the Cambrian should be the types that evolved into those in the Cambrian.
“One can no longer dismiss this event by assuming that all Pre-Cambrian rocks have been too greatly altered by time to allow the fossils ancestral to the Cambrian metazoans to be preserved . . Even if all the Pre-Cambrian ancestors of the Cambrian metazoans were similarly soft-bodied and therefore rarely preserved, far more abundant traces of their activities should have been found in the Pre-Cambrian strata than has proved to be the case. Neither can the general failure to find Pre-Cambrian animal fossils be charged to any lack of looking.”—*W.B. Harland and *Rudwick, “The Great Infra-Cambrian Ice-Age,” in Scientific American, 211(1964), pp. 34-36.
“Why should such complex organic forms (in the Cambrian) be in rocks about six hundred million years old, and be absent or unrecognized in the records of the preceding two billion years? If there has been evolution of life, the absence of requisite fossils in the rocks older than the Cambrian is puzzling.”—*G.M. Kay and *E.H. Colbert, Stratigraphy and Life History (1965), pp. 102-103.
FOSSIL TREES—Polystrate trees are fossil trees which extend vertically through several layers of rock strata. They are often 20 feet [60.9 dm] or more in length. Often the entire length of each tree will be preserved, along with the top and bottom. Such a formation would easily be explained by the Flood, but impossible to be fitted into the theory of uniformitarianism, which says that the rock strata are like tree rings, and have slowly been forming over the last two billion years. Each stratum supposedly took millions of years to form.
There is no doubt that those trees were quickly covered by the strata, otherwise each tree would have decomposed while waiting for a hundred thousand years of strata to form around it. From bottom to top, these upright trees sometimes span “millions of years” of strata. Quite obviously, both the trees and sediments around them were moved into place and deposited at the same approximate time.
Many will recall the explosion of Mount St. Helens on May 18, 1980. Research was done at the site shortly afterward; and it was discovered that the explosion filled Spirit Lake with logs, many of which were floating vertically, due to the weight of their roots. This helps explain what took place at the time of the Flood, as trees were washed into an area and then, while floating vertically in the water, were covered by a rapid deposit of sediment.
As a result of upheaval of ground, combined with successive depositions of sedimentary layers, there are instances in which vertical trees are to be found at more than one level. Given the chaotic conditions at the time of the Flood, this would be understandable. Fossil trees have been found horizontal, vertical, diagonal, and upside down.
COAL AND OIL—Most geologists agree that coal came from ancient plants, and oil came from ancient marine animals (primarily the soft parts of invertebrates, but also fish). Neither coal nor petroleum is naturally being formed today. None of it is found in Pleistocene (ice-age) deposits, but instead was quickly laid down during the Flood, before the glacial ice flows began.
“Petroleum occurs in rocks of all ages from the Cambrian to the Pliocene inclusive, but no evidence has been found to prove that any petroleum has been formed since the Pliocene, although sedimentation patterns and thicknesses in Pleistocene and recent sediments are similar to those in the Pliocene where petroleum has formed.”—*Ben B. Cox, “Transformation of Organic Material into Petroleum under Geological Conditions,” Bulletin of the American Association of Petroleum Geologists, May 1946, p. 647.
Why did no petroleum form after the Pliocene era? This is a mystery to evolutionist geologists, but it is no problem to Flood geology.
From the beginning of the Cambrian to the end of the Pliocene was when the Flood occurred.
“The apparent absence of formation of petroleum subsequent to the Pliocene must be explained in any study of the transformation of organic material into petroleum.”—*Ibid.
(Some oil deposits have been found below the Cambrian level, but it was afterward learned that they seeped there from fossil-bearing strata above.)
Great masses of vegetation, that became the coal we use today, were quickly laid down. Because of Flood conditions, other things were also deposited in those coal strata:
(1) Marine fossils (tubeworms, corals, sponges, mollusks, etc.) are often found in coal beds.
(2) Large boulders are found in them.
(3) Fossil trees are found standing on an angle or even upside down in coal beds.
(4) Washed-in marine sediments will split a coal seam into two.
(5) Sediment “under-soils” will frequently be under them.
(6) Strata of deposited limestone, shale (hardened clay), or sandstone will be found in between coal deposits. These strata are often found scores of times in seams of coal.
Evolutionists maintain that oil and gas require millions of years to form, and could not be rapidly produced from vegetation, as Flood geology would require. But recent experiments have shown that petroleum can be quickly made:
“There is great promise in a system being developed by government scientists that converts organic material to oil and gas by treating it with carbon monoxide and water at high temperature and pressure . . By using the waste-to-oil process, 1.1 billion barrels [131 billion liters] of oil could be gleaned from the 880 million tons [798 mt] of organic wastes suitable for conversion [each year].”—*L.L. Anderson, “Oil from Garbage,” in Science Digest, July 1973, p. 77.
Here is an instance in which recently formed coal occurred:
“Petzoidt (1882) describes very remarkable observations which he made during the construction of a railway bridge at Alt-Breisach, near Freiburg. The wooden piles which had been rammed into the ground were compressed by overriding blocks. An examination of these compressed piles showed that in the center of the compressed piles was a black, coal-like substance. In continuous succession from center to surface was blackened, dark-brown, light-brown and finally yellow-colored wood. The coal-like substance corresponded, in its chemical composition, to anthracite [hard coal], and the blackened wood resembled brown coal.”—*Otto Stutzer, Geology of Coal (1940), pp. 105-106.
“From all available evidence it would appear that coal may form in a very short time, geologically speaking if conditions are favorable.”—*E.S. Moore, Coal (1940), p. 143.
PROBLEM OF GRADED BEDDING—Geologists maintain that the sedimentary strata was gradually laid down over hundreds of millions of years. But various aspects of the strata indicate it was laid down rapidly under alluvial conditions. Rapid transport of various materials by water appears to have been the cause.
One example of this is graded bedding. In the strata we will find a layer of coarse pebbles and small stones, with smaller pebbles above them, grading off above to still finer materials such as sand. Below this graded bedding will be another graded bedding where the process has been repeated as another collection of sediments was washed in.
“The phenomenon of graded bedding (coarse conglomerate on the bottom, with finer material graded upward) is difficult to explain on the basis of uniformity, but not on the basis of Genesis 8:1-3 where we are told that the Creator dried up the flood-waters by strong winds that drove the waters by a “going and returning.” This process, too, would more readily account for interbedding, the repetitive alternation of certain layers, in some instances as many as 150 strata. Uniformitarian geology offers no satisfactory explanation for this phenomenon.
“Then there is the matter of disconformities, that is, a sudden change in fossil types with no accompanying change in the physical composition of the rock formation, or the appearance of fossils separated by a tremendous time gap. This is not accounted for in uniformitarianism. If the deposition had been uniform, as claimed, such disconformities should not have occurred. The perplexing occurrence of so-called ‘older fossils’ above ‘younger fossils’—which paleontologists try to account for by thrust faults, can much more readily be accounted for by accepting the occurrence of worldwide volcanic and seismic upheavals such as accompanied the Deluge. In fact, the mere presence of vast numbers of fossils is explainable only if plants and animals were suddenly inundated, trapped, and buried in moving masses of sediment. It is almost impossible to explain how organisms could have been transformed into fossils if they had simply perished and had remained exposed to the decaying process of air, sun, and bacteria.
“There are so-called fossil graveyards in which is often found a rich conglomeration of organisms. One such found in Eocene lignite deposits of the Geiseltal in central Germany, contains more than six thousand remains of vertebrate animals together with an even greater number of mollusks, insects, and plants. So well-preserved are many of these animals that it is still possible to study the contents of their stomachs. It is easy to imagine how these could have been deposited by the swirling and receding waters of a great flood, but not how this could have happened under uniformitarian conditions.”—H.R. Siegler, Evolution or Degeneration—Which? (1972), pp. 78-79.
UNITY OF THE STRATA—Basic to evolutionary theory is the concept that each stratum was laid down during a period of millions of years while the other strata were laid down in other epochs or eras. All of the strata are said to have required two billion years to form.
In contrast, the evidence indicates that the fossils in each strata were laid down rapidly rather than slowly. But, in addition, there is also evidence that each stratum was deposited at about the same time as all the other strata!
The primary difference is that each layer has somewhat different fossils in it, but this too would easily be explained by a gradually rising flood that washed in, and then quickly buried great masses of plants and animals. One layer and then the next was rather quickly laid down by the Flood.
Two of the most important boundary points in the geologic column are the Paleozoic to Mesozoic, and the Mesozoic to Cenozoic.
Careful research by *Wiedmann in Germany has revealed that there is no observable time break between these, the two most obvious divisions in the geologic column!
“The boundaries between eras, periods and epochs on the geological time-scale generally denote sudden and significant changes in the character of the fossil remains. For example, the boundary between the Triassic and Jurassic periods of the Mesozoic era (about 180 million years ago) was supposedly marked by spontaneous appearance of new species . . A reassessment of the data by Jost Wiedmann of the University of Tübingen in the Federal Republic of Germany, gives a clearer picture of evolution at the boundaries of the Mesozoic (225 million to 70 million years ago). He concludes that there were no worldwide extinctions of species or spontaneous appearances of new species at the boundaries.”—*Report of the International Geological Congress at Montreal: “Fossil Changes: ‘Normal Evolution,’ ” in Science News, September 2, 1972, p. 152.
This is an important point that *Wiedmann brings to the attention of the scientific world. While most evolutionists maintain that the geologic column slowly formed amid the peace and tranquility of uniformitarian ages, there are other evolutionists who declare that there must have been a succession of several catastrophes that accomplished the task. But *Wiedmann carefully analyzed the two principle boundaries in the column—and discovered that “no worldwide extinctions of species or spontaneous appearances of new species” occurred at these boundaries. This is important. The entire geologic column is an integral unit and was all rapidly laid down at about the same time.
Here are some additional reasons why this is so:
(1) Rapid or no Fossils. Each stratum had to be laid down rapidly, or fossils would not have resulted.
(2) Rapid or no Rocks. The physical structure and interconnections of the strata require rapid deposition in order for them to form into rocks.
(3) No Erosion between Strata. Each strata was laid directly over the one below it, since there is no trace of erosion between them. Each strata was formed continuously and rapidly, and then—with no time-lapse erosion in between—the next strata formed continuously and rapidly over that. And on and on it went.
(4) Layers not Worldwide. There are many “unconformities,” where one stratum ends horizontally and another begins. But there is no worldwide unconformity; instead one stratum will gradually grade imperceptibly into another, which thereupon succeeds it with more continuous and rapid deposition, without a time break at any point.
(5) Generally no Clear Boundaries. There is rarely a clear physical boundary between strata formations. Generally they tend to merge and mingle with each other in a zone of considerable thickness.
STRATA SEQUENCE AND OVERTHRUSTS—If evolutionary theory were correct, each layer of the cake would be quietly set in place on top of the preceding one over a span of long ages.
But instead we find “disconformity” and “overthrusts.” A “recent stratum” which should therefore be near the top, will be underneath several “older strata.”
This can easily be explained by the turbulence of a single worldwide Flood which laid down all the strata within a relatively short time.
But evolutionary theory is totally baffled by such a situation. So its supporters have invented the theory of “overthrusts.” As we mentioned in chapter 12, the Matterhorn—one of the highest and most prominent mountains in Switzerland—is supposed to have moved horizontally many miles from some distant place. Evolutionary theories about rock strata require such a hypothesis. Either the mountains pack up and move to other lands, or evolution dies a sickening death.
The entire Matterhorn rests on top of what is theorized as “younger strata,” therefore it is said to have hiked over the hills to its present location. The same is true for the Appalachians, which climbed up out of the Atlantic onto the North American continent. They arrived before the Pilgrims!
But, in reality, overthrusts are but another effect of the Flood. For example, at one point, some land animals and plants were covered by Flood-borne sediments. Then, from some distant location, waters with fish were carried in and deposited in a pile of sediment above the land creatures. And so it went.
A related problem is that, although the very bottom stratum should always be the Cambrian,—in actuality, many different strata are found at the bottom!
“Further, how many geologists have pondered the fact that lying on the crystalline basement are found from place to place not merely Cambrian, but rocks of all ages?”—*E.M. Spieker, “Mountain-Building Chronology and Nature of Geologic Time-Scale,” in Bulletin of the American Association of Petroleum Geologists, August 1956, p. 1805.
How do you solve a problem like that? Amid the confusion of a worldwide deluge, and bursts of massive earth movements and hurricane winds, all kinds of strata patterns could occur. Flood theory can solve questions that evolutionary theory cannot answer.
FLOOD PREDICTIONS—If the Flood caused the sedimentary rock strata, with their billions of fossils, then the following points would be expected;—and, upon examination of the fossils in the strata—they all prove true:
(1) Animals living at the lowest levels would tend to be buried in the lowest strata.
(2) Creatures buried together—would tend to be buried with other animals that lived in the same region or ecological community.
(3) Hydrologic forces (the suck and drag of rapidly moving water) would tend to sort out creatures of similar forms. Because of lower hydraulic drag, those with the simplest shapes would tend to be buried first.
(4) Backboneless sea creatures (marine invertebrates), since they live on the sea bottom, would normally be found in the bottom strata.
(5) Fish would be found in higher strata since they can swim up close to the surface.
(6) Amphibians and reptiles would be buried higher than the fish, but as a rule, below the land animals.
(7) Few land plants or animals would be in the lower strata.
(8) The first land plants would be found where the amphibians were found.
(9) Mammals and birds would generally be found in higher levels than reptiles and amphibians.
(10) Because many animals tend to go in herds in time of danger, we would find herd animals buried together.
(11) In addition, the larger, stronger animals would tend to sort out into levels apart from the slower ones (tigers would not be found with hippopotamuses).
(12) Relatively few birds would be found in the strata, since they could fly to the highest points.
(13) Few humans would be found in the strata. They would be at the top, trying to stay afloat until they died; following which they would sink to the surface of the sediments and decompose.
In the above 13 points, we have a solid Flood explanation for what we find in the sequence of fossils in the geologic column.
Yet, lacking any other evidence to bring forward, it is that very sequence of fossils placement which evolutionists declare to be the primary evidence that animals have “evolved” from one another!
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ANOTHER LOOK AT THE “GEOLOGIC COLUMN”—Compare the following analysis with the two-page chart near the beginning of chapter 12, Fossils and Strata:
Recent (Holocene)—Glaciers melt. Evidences of human civilization.
Pleistocene—The Flood waters conclude their receding from the continents. Fossils, strata, and petroleum are no longer being formed. The ice age begins.
Pliocene—The Flood has ended. First mountain building begins, as continents begin rising, ocean basins dropping, and oceans filling. If this had not occurred, everything today would be under water. Some strata forming continues.
Miocene—First large numbers of birds buried. First evidence of volcanic lava.
Oliogocene—First of the very agile monkeys and apes buried.
Eocene—First faster animals (such as horses) buried. No more slow animals (including dinosaurs).
Triassic—First strong land animals buried (slowest dinosaurs).
Mississipian—First land animals buried (slow ones, such as small reptiles).
Silurian—First land plants laid down.
Cambrian—Flood begins. Fossils and strata begin. Slowest creatures buried. But plants float up to higher levels.
Precambrian—Prior to the Flood. No sedementary strata or fossils.
A more complete explanation of the above chart is given in the pages which follow.
2 – RECORDS ABOUT THE FLOOD
WORLDWIDE FLOOD—Ours is the water planet. We have 330 million cubic miles [2212 million km3] of it! Water covers 72 percent of our planet’s surface. Every cubic mile of seawater holds over 150 million tons [136 mt] of minerals. On the average, rain pours down on our planet at the rate of 1.5 tons [1,361 kg] a day. At the present time, there is 70 billion gallons [26,822 liters] of water for every person alive. The oceans of the world are so vast and deep that if Earth had an absolutely level crust, the sea would form an envelope over 8,800 feet [26,822 dm] deep.
The antediluvian world had never seen rain before. But when it came, it really came. When the Genesis Flood began, the vast water canopy collapsed and “the floodgates of the sky were opened.” Torrential rains fell for six weeks.
FLOOD STORIES—Races and tribes all over the world have, as part of their traditions, stories about a great flood of water that covered the whole earth. The event was so world-shattering and life-changing that, from parents to children, stories of that great upheaval passed down through the generations. Gradually, as mythologies developed, legends about this flood became part of them. These stories include various aspects of the Genesis account of the Flood:
“It has long been known that legends of a great flood, in which almost all men perished, are widely diffused over the world.”—*George Frazer, Folklore in the Old Testament, Vol. 1 (1919), p. 105.
One survey of 120 tribal groups in North, Central, and South America disclosed flood traditions among each of them (*International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, Vol. 2, p. 822).
(1) There was general wickedness among men.
(2) God saw that a flood was necessary.
(3) One family with eight members was protected.
(4) A giant boat was constructed.
(5) The family, along with animals and birds, went into the boat.
(6) The flood overwhelmed all those living on the earth.
(7) The deluge covered all the earth for a time.
(8) The boat landed in a high mountainous area.
(9) Two or three birds were sent out first.
(10) The people left the boat with all the animals.
(11) The survivors worshiped God for sparing them.
(12) A promise of divine favor was given that there would not be another worldwide flood of waters.
Another survey of ancient Flood literature and legends is discussed by B. Nelson in The Deluge Story in Stone (1968). In this tabulation, the stories and writings of 41 different tribal and national groups were given.
First, we will list these 41 groups, many of which were ancient races. (“A and B” indicate two different sub-groups; example: Fiji A and B.)
Assyria-Babylonia (A and B), Alaska, Andaman Island, Asia Minor, Aztecs, Brazil, Cherokee, China, Cree, Egypt, Esquimaux (Canada), Fiji (A and B), Greece, Hawaii, India (A and B), Italy, Lapland, Lenni Lenape, Lithuania, Leward Islands, Mandan, Michoacan, Nicaragua, Papagos (Mexico), Persia (A and B), Peru, Pimas, Russia, Scandinavia (A and B), Sumatra, Syria, Takoe, Thlinkut (A and B), Toltecks, Wales.
Second, we will list twelve points in their legends, according to the number of times each is included by each of the 41 groups.
Destruction by a flood—41 times.
Some humans saved—38 times.
A boat saved them—36 times.
Universal destruction by the flood—24 times.
One family was especially favored for protection— 15 times.
The flood was caused by man’s transgressions—14 times.
The flood came as a result of a divine decree—10 times.
Birds were sent out first—9 times.
Animals were saved by the boat also—8 times.
The survivors worship God after leaving the boat—7 times.
The boat landed in a high mountainous area—6 times.
After leaving the boat, God spoke favor to the saved—5 times.
An even larger collection of Flood stories is to be found in *Sir James G. Frazer’s book, Folklore in the Old Testament (1919), Vol. 1, pp. 146-330. There are 11 Hellenic stories from ancient Greece, 6 European stories, 29 Persian and Indian stories, 31 Australian, Southeast Asia, and Pacific stories, 63 North, Central, and South American stories, and 3 African stories related in 185 pages of Frazer’s book; a total of 143 Flood stories. You will find them listed in Donald W. Patten (ed), Symposium on Creation IV (1972), pp. 36-38.
An excellent five-page analysis of confusion-of-tongues legends will be found in James E. Strickling, “Legendary Evidence for the Confusion of Tongues, “in Creation Research Society Quarterly, September 1974, pp. 97-101. Quotations from a number of sources are given.
“There are many descriptions of the remarkable event [the Genesis Flood]. Some of these have come from Greek historians, some from the Babylonian records; others from the cuneiform tablets [of Mesopotamia], and still others from the mythology and traditions of different nations, so that we may say that no event has occurred either in ancient or modern times about which there is better evidence or more numerous records, than this very one . . It is one of the events which seems to be familiar to the most distant nations—in Australia, in India, in China, in Scandinavia, and in the various parts of America.”—Stephen D. Peet, “Story of the Deluge,” American Antiquarian, Vol. 27, No. 4, July-August 1905, p. 203.
NOAH’S NAME—If the story of the Ark and the Flood is to be found among 120 different tribes of earth, should we not expect that Noah’s name would be remembered by some of them also?
Noah’s name is found in the stories and languages of mankind. That is a striking cultural evidence of the worldwide Flood which, itself, left so many physical evidences upon our globe. Not only do the rock strata and their fossil contents vindicate the veracity of the Flood story, but the languages of man do also! Here are some interesting facts
Sanskrit (of ancient India) is a basic language, dating back nearly to the time of the Flood. According to the legends of India, Ma-nu was the man who built the boat and then, with seven others, entered it and were saved. Ma is an ancient word for “water.” Ma-nu could then mean “Noah of the waters.” In Sanscrit, Manu later came to mean “mankind.”
The most ancient man in the Germanic tribes was called Mannus. Mannus was also the name of the Lithuanian Noah.
In the Hebrew, “karat” is the same as “Armenia.” The prefix Ar means mountain, so “Armenia” probably means the mountain of Meni. According to Genesis 8:4, Noah landed somewhere in the Ararat mountains.
The legendary founder of the first Egyptian dynasty was Menes; and Minos was the man who is said to have been the first man of Crete. The nearby Greeks said that Minos was the son of their god, Zeus, and the ruler of the sea.
The English (as well as all Germanic) words for man comes from the Sanskrit, manu.
The Egyptian god, Nu was the god of waters who sent a flood to destroy mankind. They identified Nu with the rain and the atmosphere. Summerians taught that Anu was the god of the atmosphere. The rainbow they called “the great bow of Anu.”
In ancient Africa, the king in the Congo was called Mani Congo. Later, Mani became the title of respect given to all leading men of the country.
In Japan, manu became maru, a name included in most Japanese ship names. Chinese mythology taught that Hakudo Maru came down from heaven to teach men how to build ships. We know that Noah was the first shipbuilder and that all ancient and modern hulls are basically designed in the same manner. The ancient boats were copied from an archtype. The Ark was the great pattern boat. Men who had to traverse the coasts of the new oceans knew that, nestled in the mountains of Ararat, was a boat which had successfully done it. They carefully copied its structural design.
In Japanese, Maru also means a protective circle or enclosure of refuge. The first people to inhabit Japan were called Ainu, and mai means “original man” in some Australian aboriginal languages.
Among the North American Indians, manu became minne, meaning “water” for the Sioux; hence our Minneapolis (city of water) and Minnesota (sky-blue water). Minnetoba (our Manitoba, Canada) meant “water prairie” to the Assiniboines.
In South America, we find the Nahuatl, managuac (our Managua, capital of Nicaragua) which means “surrounded by ponds.” The fabled city, Manoa (meaning “Noah’s water”), was supposed to be the capital of the god El Dorado. A number of important rivers in South America are derived from manu: The Amazon (named after the Manau), the Manu in Peru, and also the Muymanu, Tahuamanu, Pariamanu, Tacuatimanu, etc. In all of these, manu means “river” or “water.”
The Egyptians invented their picture writing—hieroglyphics, we call them—soon after the Flood. Their word for water was a wavy line. When the alphabet was later developed, that symbol became the letter “m,” for mayim, the Semitic word for water. It later became the Greek letter Mu, the Roman letter Em, and our Western M.
The Assyrian name for “rain” was zunnu. The Roman god, Janus (our January), was originally the Estruscan father god of the world and inventor of ships. This could have easily have been derived from the Hebrew word for “God of Noah,” and by the Estruscans, who pronounced this Jah Nu.
The Greek sea-goddess was naiade, which meant “water goddess.”
The ancient Norse of the Scandinavians called their ship god, Njord (Niord), who lived at Noatun, the great harbor of the god-ships. Noa in Norse is related to the Icelandic nor, which meant “ship.”
The original Sanskrit word for “ship” was nau, which later passed into our English word, navy, nautical, nausea (sea sickness).
(We are indebted to Bengt Sage for the above information. See “Noah and Human Entomology” in Creation, the Cutting Edge, pp., 48-52. The publisher, Creation Life Publishers [Master Books], in El Cajon, California has many, many other excellent books. Write them for a book order sheet.)
Creation and the Flood in Chinese
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THE FLOOD IN CHINESE—According to Harvard’s Chinese-Japanese Yenching Library, written Chinese is dated at approximately 2500 B.C. This correlates closely with the end of the Flood. It is of interest that two of the earliest written languages—Egyptian and Chinese—were both picture writing.
Because of its ancientness, the pictorial Chinese script has information for us from the very earliest times. In picture writing, it portrays facts recorded in the book of Genesis.
C.H. Kang and Ethel A. Nelson did intensive research into that script and wrote the book, The Discovery of Genesis: How the Truths of Genesis Were Found Hidden in the Chinese Language. This is a fascinating volume, one you will want to read for yourself. Here are a few insights from the book:
(1) The Chinese character for Devil is formed from three other characters: man, garden, and private (Genesis 3:1-7).
(2) Tempter is a combination of three words: devil, cover, and tree (Genesis 3:1-6).
(3) Righteousness combines sheep, I or me, and hand (Genesis 4:2-5).
(4) The Chinese word for total is a uniting of eight people who join hands over the earth (Genesis 7:7,13; 8:13-16).
(5) Boat, in Chinese, brings together three words into one. The three words are vessel, mouth, and eight (Genesis 7:7, 13; 8:13).
(6) Rebellion and Confusion have the same script: a linking together of the words for tongue and walking (Genesis 11:4-9).
(7) One example of the unusual discoveries is Garden or Field which is a square. Inside the square are four straight lines radiating outward in a “plus sign” shape. According to Genesis 2:9-14, a river flowed outward in four streams and watered the entire garden.
Kang and Nelson revealed dozens of other Chinese words suggesting a relationship to Genesis. You will find the entire book very interesting. (In 1997, Dr. Nelson, Dr. Ginger Tong Chock, and Richard E. Broadberry released God’s Promise to the Chinese, a book which updated the study using oracle bone characters, the most ancient Chinese writing known.)
As they arrived in their new home after the scattering from the tower of Babel, and formulated their picture writing, the Chinese placed in their “picture words” recollections of those important earlier events: the Fall of Man, the early sacrificial system, the worldwide Flood, and the Tower of Babal. These are four of the outstanding events described in Genesis 3 to 11.
You may recall our earlier mention that the Chinese recorded the solar eclipse of 2250 B.C., the earliest exact historical date in history and confirmed scientifically (see chapter 4, Age of the Earth). Biblical records indicate the Flood occurred very close to that time.
THE SIZE OF NOAH’S ARK—Based on the Hebrew cubit of 18.5 inches [563.88 cm], it has been estimated that if that great boat—the Ark—was only one-half the size stated in Genesis 6:14-16—and omitting water creatures—it could still have held two or seven of each basic kind of animal and bird. The remainder of the boat was probably used for food storage. But that estimate is based on the smaller Hebrew cubit in the dimensions of the Ark. However, it is very likely that Moses used the cubit of his time—the Egyptian cubit—when giving the dimensions of the Ark. This would make that giant boat even larger. Here is the data:
According to Genesis 6:15, the Ark was 300 cubits long, 50 cubits wide, and 30 cubits high. The Babylonian cubit was 19.8 inches [603.504 cm], the later Hebrew regular cubit was 17.5 inches [533.4 cm], and the Egyptian cubit was 20.65 inches [629.12 cm].
Based on the Hebrew cubit, the dimensions of the Ark would have been 4,37.5 feet [1,333 dm] long, 72.92 feet [222 dm] wide, and 43.75 feet [133 dm] high. With three decks in the Ark, it had 95,747 square feet [29.18 dkm2], and a total volume of 1,395,734 cubic feet [39,499 mt3]. Its cubic tonnage would be 13,960 [1042 mt3].
Based on the Egyptian cubit used in the time of Moses, the measurements of the Ark would be 516.25 feet [1,573 dm] long, its width would be 86.04 feet [262 dm] wide, and its height would be 51.625 feet [157 dm]. On this basis—with three stories—its square footage would be 1,332,545 square feet [123,793 m2] , and its volume would be 2,293,087 cubic feet [64,894 m3]. Its cubic tonnage would be 22,930 [17110 mt].
The Ark was a barge, not a ship with sloping sides, so it had a much larger carrying capacity. It has been reckoned that, even if measured by the smaller 18.5-inch [563.88 cm] cubit of later times, the Ark would have been so huge that 522 modern railroad box cars could have fitted inside it! One each of every species of air-breathing creatures in the world today could be comfortably carried in only 150 box cars.
For 4,000 years after the Ark was constructed, ships rarely exceeded 150 to 200 feet [457-6,096 dm] in length. It was not until 1854 that a ship was built with a longer length than the Ark: the Eturia, a Cunard liner constructed in England. It was not until after World War II that ships were built which had a larger volume and cubic tonnage—the ocean-going oil supertankers.
FLOOD CHRONOLOGY—In a chapter of this nature, we should provide the Biblical dating of the Genesis Flood. Although it is impossible to provide exact dates, in accordance with conservative Biblical chronology, Creation occurred at approximately 4004 B.C. (2,000 years before the birth of Christ). The Flood began 1,656 years later (1656 A.M. [anno mundi – year of the world]), which would be approximately 2348 B.C. That is the closest approximation we can arrive at.
Here, according to Genesis 7 and 8, is a brief chronology of events during the Flood (the following figures are based on a thirty-day month):
40 days—Rain fell for forty days (7:4, 12, 17).
110 days—The waters rose and reached their greatest height at some time during or at the close of another 110 days (Genesis 7:24).
74 days—The “going and decreasing” of the waters occupied 74 days, then the tops of the mountains were seen (8:5, note the margin).
40 days—Forty more days passed and then Noah sent out the raven (8:6-7).
7 days—Seven days elapsed and then Noah sent out the dove for the first time, but the “waters were still on the face of the whole earth” (8:8; cf. 8:11, “other seven days”).
7 days—Seven days later, the second dove was sent out the second time and found the olive leaf, because “the waters were abated” (8:11).
7 days—After seven more days, the dove was sent out a third time and did not return, because “the waters were abated” (8:12).
29 days—The total so far is 285 days, but comparing the dates in 7:11 with the next event in 8:14 yields a total of 314 days. During that additional 29 days, Noah waited until “the waters were dried from off the earth” to remove the covering from the Ark. By that time the raven ceased to “go to and fro” (8:7).
57 days—From the time when the covering of the Ark was removed, to the day they and the animals left the Ark, 57 more days elapsed. When the “earth” was adequately “dry,” Noah left the Ark (8:14).
371 days—From the time that the rain first began falling until the Ark was vacated, would be a total of 371 days.
Some suggest that the flood waters reached their maximum height in 40 days while others think that they continued to rise for the first 150 days.
The fresh olive leaf (which was found shortly after the Ark beached in the Ararat Mountains) would have had as much as four months to sprout from an asexually propagated olive branch buried near the surface of the soil.
CREATION STORIES—Before concluding this section, it is of interest that, not only are Flood stories found worldwide, but Creation stories are also. In both we find parallels to the accounts given in Genesis. We would not have room here to discuss this; but, for example, man was created from clay, and there was an ominous serpent that caused mankind great trouble. It is frequently thought to have been winged.
“An extraordinary number of religious traditions among diverse peoples—Jews, Christians, Moslems, Native Americans, Polynesians, Austrahari aborigines—describe living things as having been originally shaped from clay.”—*R. Milner, Encyclopedia of Evolution (1990), p. 84.
“Dragon legends have persisted for centuries in Norse epics, medieval English ballads, Wagnerian operas, Japanese art and Chinese folktales.”—*Op. cit, p. 145.
8 years agoReply to elopes“The flood occurred, and yes, there was a pair of kangaroos. Please, go educate yourself.”
Wow, so Skippy and his mate appear in the Bible. Who knew? Do please educate me and point me toward the corresponding verse(s).
And please, less of the cutting and pasting as I said before. Go invest in your own blog and stop piggybacking on Pam’s.
It’s called “respect.”
8 years agoReply to June SkeltonI don’t think you understand the meaning of the word “respect”. Read the content that I gave to you then we can have a conversation.
I got a friend who wrote about you:
Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. 4 They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.” 5 But they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water. 6 By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. 7 By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.
The whole 2 Peter 2 is about you.
8 years agoReply to elopesMy allusion to respect had nothing to do with me or my comments. I simply meant that one should have more respect for one’s host when commenting, and not post reams of unasked-for information when using her bandwidth.
8 years agoReply to June SkeltonI can agree with that, so show some respect and go away, so you will not waste bandwidth with your mocking.
8 years agoReply to elopesCharming. How much of Pam’s bandwidth have my comments used up in contrast to your extended efforts?
No one’s attacking Christianity, apart from the Muslims. I, together with all people who rely on rational thinking, believe that one cannot fight woo with woo.
Over and out.
8 years agoReply to June SkeltonWell, I am donating US$ 100 this Christmas to Pam. Can you say the same?
8 years agoReply to June SkeltonKnowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
8 years agoReply to Skeeter McClusky6 stars not 5. The Greeks called them the seven sisters. The 7th is just on the edge of visability by the unaided eye. Notice the Subaru (Japanese for Pleiades) logo has six stars.
8 years agoGnostic text?
8 years agoI wonder if the Koran-parts commanding indefinite, gruesome persecution of non-Muslims, some listed below, are in this old text. Would be interesting to know.
We have to never stop developing, cultivating society’s laws & policies globally for human rights, ecology, health & animal rights, ecological best quality & freedom to creativity & expression.
Jihadists are scared of a truthful world government that would protect human rights, animal rights & ecology because it would expose & ban Muhammad’s crazy, malign ideology indoctrination & ban halal-slaughter.
Brainwashed policy makers, politicians, media, academia, cultural establishment members, to the detriment of human & animal rights & freedom of speech deceive the public that Jihadists are not Islamic to control public opinion, set a deceptive status quo paradigm about Muhammad & his malign ideology, Shariaize regions they got direct influence on with impunity, under the disguise of securing public order, to later annex regions they gained indirect influence on, which Jihadists control to theirs, while arming them, creating an artificial influx of routinely & Jihad ideologically indoctrinated, very birth-happy refugees to the, with capitalist sabotage or similar generally malign culture brainwashed low to non-breeding population, creating with their Taqiyya- deception of the public a situation of abuse of the, as it already is laughing stock, ridiculous, unpractical & inefficiently dangerous political concept of democracy, to the detriment of human & animal rights including free speech & the right to true, unaltered information.They mass-deceive that Islam would be “the religion of peace” to maliciously control public opinion, create a deceptive status quo paradigm about Muhammad & his malicious theist dogma ideology, make Jihad terror appear legitimate & mask the human & animal rights corroding theist Sharia & Jihad dogma terror & tyranny with an appearance of transcendal or psychological necessity, coherence & efficacy promoting it like the metaphorical wolf in a sheep’s clothing hoping to get away with it.
They got a plan & it’s not in accordance with ethics (= human rights, ecology & animal rights). It’s Islamic.
Halal is against animal rights & part of a human & animal rights corroding, Jihad-terrorism & Sharia-tyranny, theist Sharia dogma subsidizing system.
Barack Hussein Obama, Cameron, the EU, UN, Armies deliberately swindle themselves out of their responsibility to explain that Muhammad was a psychopath with an unjust psychopath, racist, theist plan.
Debrainwashing is marked as crime when brainwashed people are policy makers, work in judicial positions.
Don’t forget: Muhammad was a violent Nazi extremist.
As long as we don’t get politically correct about this we won’t live by the truth, won’t live for human rights.
It’s time to put Islam in human rights context.
Islam is as if planned obsolescence with all it’s enslavement racism against Africans, pederasty & indefinite, non-expiring, permanent, command to human rights abuse, torture, enslavement, harassment, terror, unjust mass-murder & figment dogma brainwash.
If we don’t want to become Islamic Slave we need to get our act together.
We gotta show these Holocause-Jihad Muhammad fan punks who’s in charge here.
Islam reminds of a wife-beating husband everybody’s fallin for & who thinks he’s in charge.
Instead of sabotaging each other, human rights & ecology with capitalism we need the global government controlled, human rights & ecology protecting global government Globalfirm.Jihad in Cameroon/ Nigeria:
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0Q52FX20150731
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3182342/Cameroon-rounds-deports-2-500-illegal-Nigerians-fight-against-Boko-Haram.html http://news.yahoo.com/suspected-islamists-kill-six-abduct-50-cameroon-soldier-130151831.html
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/23/50-dead-boko-haram-attacks-cameroon-nigeriain Germany:
http://m.sputniknews.com/europe/20150820/1025959868.htmlHave you declared war on Islam? Join Human rights the new religion.
People don’t want freedom of speech as much as an entertaining life-concept, even when it promises more than reality like an afterlife. Religion is entertainment, a game.
That’s why join atheism, areligion, human rights the new religion.
Nationalists, racists don’t care about political problems outside their narrow worldview, their irresponsibility is the architect of Muhammadan tyrannization of the world since Muhammad. We need a global solution, Globalfirm, a global identity, without any racial discrimination supported by law like in Saudi Arabia where Africans are called slave (Abeed means African or slave in Arabic), where African castrated slaves are held captive & racist Sharia laws & courts annul marriages if one partner is African. We need a global country & that not in unislamic immigration “countries” or ghettos but the goal must be a worldwide open, atheist, areligious human rights & ecology (=ethics) protecting state.
Political problems show how important it is to have an ideology that is rooted in ethics: human rights & ecology.Besides sadist Muslims that want to tyrannize humanity, mentally misled & misleading people think they can’t change things, can’t change governance for human rights & ecology, can’t change that Muhammad’s unethical cult exists & tyrannizes humanity.
Out of this self-deceptive small-minded mindset they change just so much as they believe they can, making everybody’s situation more deceptive & deceiving & therefore even much more dangerous.
The wishful thinking people have towards Muhammad’s Muhammadism a.k.a. Islam doesn’t make the wishing reality & never will.
Education about sadist, racist slaver, pederast, torturer, crucifier Muhammad must destroy the Taqiyya deception brainwash cemented by government officials, policy makers, academia & media.The soldiers for human rights have been fundamentally betrayed by current administrations.
But we can start the global government Globalfirm that protects human rights & ecology.
Iran, the US, Europe, Russia, Asia all countries must halt nuclear waste-production plans, eliminate Muhammad glorification-programming & further cultivation of ecological electricity options. Furthermore they must recognize Globalfirm, the consequent act, as global government.The world is a natural immigration country. It can’t be that we create immigration ghettos, where Jihad-breeding & brainwashing thrives, while we can’t immigrate to places like North Cameroon/ Nigeria, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Iran being areligious, atheist, believing in human rights & ecology as benchmark & definition of ethics let’s say for locational astrological reasons.
Boko Haram, Obama’s partners (he blocked an helicopter-arms deal from Israel to the Nigerian Army) with as he promoted them “legitimate concerns” keep on murdering the public in Africa, Nigeria, Cameroon, Chad, Mali… They have connections of course to Sudan, Al Shabab (Somalia, Kenia..), Isis…
Obama Hussein must got the whole Hip Hop culture wrong. Cause Hip Hop culture can’t have itself wrong unless.So like when Jay Z rapped ‘nigga what…Nigga who.’
Obama Hussein remembering that his pederast, sadist cult-‘prophet’ was a white Arab owning African slaves who proclaimed his theist lie or fantasy turned Africans black so their descandants would be slaves to Arabs & Turks, President Obama went straight up to Saudi Arabia where Africans are called slave (Abeed means African or slave in Arabic), where Africans are held captive as castrated slaves, not making any demands to free them, where racist Sharia laws & courts annul marriages if one partner is African, instead bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia like saying ‘I’m yo slave’.Don’t count on the current CIA administration to make demands to free the slaves. Racist CIA chief Joe Brennan made a religious contract for a radical Islamic afterlife with Islamic specialists while in Saudi Arabia giving the public the impression of Muhammadism as certified religious group, promoting it. Islam: shared moral misery.
Theism: liberalism gone wrong.
Government, policy makers, mass media, academia & social media condemning Muhammadism should be the only way kids, people should get in touch with Muhammad’s sadist, racist, pederast indefinite commandments & agenda.
Not in mosques or any other groups.It can’t be that we do nothing while a second Saudi Arabia is formed in Iraq, Syria, Lybia. We need presidents that promise to eliminate easy targets like Isis (the Obama administration, Central command refuses to bomb the estimated 60 Isis training camps with known location in Syria, Iraq, while arming Jihadists for a long time, while allowing similar training camps on American soil…), Boko haram, Al Shabab, Jihadis in Russia, Asia, wherever. Either through truth about sadist racist slaver, pederast Muhammad or with weapons.
Presidents that recognize ethics as human rights & ecology & are willing to go to war immediately when these two values are harmed even ideologically like in Islam.
Presidents that want the global government Globalfirm protecting individual human rights & ecology.The mass media, academia, political parties, current policy makers don’t cover in no way Muhammad’s unethical side like his sadist indefinite, non-expiring open end, permanent command to mass-murder, torture, enslave, rape innocent people, to enslavement of Africans, his pederasty, instead idealize him.
The only way people get in touch with these aspects of Muhammadism is through brainwashing terrorist groups (or the counter-Jihad movement).
That can’t be.The cause or effect of the mass-media’s idealizing lies about the not to idealize person Muhammad who really was an unjust sadist, pederast, rapist, racist slaver tyrant is the suppression of procreation of people who live by & for the truth. I think I’m single cause of that, can’t thrive politically nor financially, economically. This also goes for people who prefer beer & Marihuana over beer & cigarettes or hard liquor who get suppressed.
We need global governing & army to protect human rights & ecology (=ethics).
We must destroy Islam through debrainwashing attrition in mass media.
Truth should make Muslims convert to areligion, atheism, human rights the new religion.
People need to make sure the Islamic governments don’t use them as human shields in war.
Matter of fact Muslims use brainwashed people as (psychological) human shields.Muhammad invented the slavery of Africans by proclaiming that his deity colored them black so their descendants would be slaves to Arabs & Turks. He had African slaves, was white & dreamed about a pederast paradise with only whites. Abeed means slave or African in Arabic. This slavery exists together with racist laws in Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Mauritania for example.
There are 2 parts of Muhammadism: Islam (outward deception/betrayal/brainwash indoctrination (translated: submission), theist Sharia dogma tyranny) & Jihad (uncoded Muhammadist sadist war) .
There are no segregated war times in Muhammadism. It’s an indefinite, permanent unjust war all time. War against human rights.Besides of indefinite, permanent incitement to mass-murder, torture, enslavent, extortion, Muhammadism teaches to be rough to non-Muslims & soft to Muslims. However the Sharia-dogma for “Muslims” remains sadist, racist, unjust, theist brainwash.
I’m disappointed of Nazi-Germany survivors’ work up, accounting of the past vastly ignoring the crucial role of Nazi-Jihadist Grand-mufti of Jerusalem who also was involved as General of the Ottoman-empire in Smyrna in the genocide of Armenian non-Muslims.
Muhammadan Jihad & Sharia is part of Germany’s history under Hitler. The massive immigration of Turks to Germany might had been a search for spiritual identity as sadist Muhammad declared that his deity colored Africans black so their descendants would be slaves to Arabs & Turks. Here a text from my page Soundclick.com/Globalfirm:
“The Hitler Islam connection: The facts written here are from what I’ve read & remember & could be subject to errors.
Hitler said the only prophet he would respect was Muhammad.
Muhammad was a sadist torturer who let innocent people burn alive for not praying, a mass-murderer, racist slaveholder who seem to have initiated the enslavement of Africans by proclaiming that his deity colored Africans black so their descendants would be slaves to the Arabs & Turks, he was a rapist who wanted all women to have their clitoris cut out, crucifier, a pederast who kissed little boys’ penises & sucked on boys’ tongues & lips, an unjust man who robbed, murdered parents, enslaved & forced their 9 old daughter to sex with him when he was around 50 years old. He didn’t cared about radical human rights & layed out a permanent, indefinite command for a theist brainwash dogma tyranny.
Jews had to under the Hitler-regime sew a textile star as known from the Israel flag, on their clothes to be vulnerable. This idea, the textile yellow jewish star law was copied from an muhammadan tyranny since probably the 9th century in Baghdad where it was used probably without the more modern star-symbol & maybe for all non-Muslims.
There was a terrorist Muhammadan in the middle east who continued Muhammad’s command to terrorize non-muhammadans according to Muhammad’s untemporal, indefinite, permanent commandments. His name was Amin Al-Husseini & he was appointed Grand mufti of Jerusalem, an islamic authority. He was financed by the Hitler-regime, then invited to Berlin where he was further financed & he was spreading his hate in Arabic, weekly through a radio-station from Berlin to the middle east, citing the Quran, promoting Nazis.
Amin Al-Husseini swore allegiance to the Ottoman Empire during the Armenian genocide & was an officer stationed in Smyrna and & was active in the Armenian genocide that mass-murdered innocent Armenians (Christians).
He met with Hitler, planned the Hitler-regime death-camps in which Jews (6 million Jews were exterminated), Christians, Gypsies, Africans, intellectuals, human rights activists, homosexuals & socialists were tortured, enslaved, starved, killed. He for example urged in a letter to not let a special number of Jewish children to be freed for ransom money but to kill them. I’ve read he incognito visited the gas-chambers in Auschwitz.
It was jihad, Islamic war. After Al-Husseini weighed in the Nazis shifted from deportation of Jews from Europe to mass-murder.
He also overviewed the only religious SS unit, SS was the Hitler-regime terrorist group in uniforms, it was Islamic of course with halal food & Islamic style SS-uniforms.
Al-Husseini’s was uncle to terrorist Islamic Nobel prize winner Arafat.
Hitler took over the government in 1933, 5 years after the first mosque in Germany was build in Berlin.
These facts should be known to every historian, pupil, student.”There wouldn’t be no problem with immigration, the officially non-Muhammadan regions are interesting places of the world, wouldn’t be the government’s of those regions, lack of education on pederast, racist slaver & sadist Muhammad & his indefinitely planned psychopath plan.
Cause this combination is disastrous. The problem is Muhammad’s racist, theist, sadist ideology dogma. It’s as if Jihadists try to obtain their enemy’s fire-power & nuclear weapons.It is a big advantage to be able to potentially choose for example an African partner from the alleged origins of humanity rather than be just restricted, limited to a homogeneous range of selection for procreation & culture which leads to a claustrophobic race-motivated nationalism instead of global responsibility & culture. Immigration must be a global thing not a national refugee one way thing however.
Governments must get clear on ethics: human rights & ecology.Here, immigration gone wrong, copy-pasted from a comment from a Pamelageller.com reader
(Another commenter noted this did happened at Medina not Khaybar, to the banu qurayza tribe, anyhow.):
” “Khaybar” is thename of a famous incident in
which Mohammed led his followers into a ‘battle’ with a peaceful tribe
of Jews who lived in the settlements of Khaybar, about 40 miles from Medina.The Khaybar community were well known as productive farmers who
provisioned the whole area, they were also famous for their
hospitality, lighting beacons so that travellers in the desert could
find their way to some sort of shelter even at night.Mohammed’s agents
got into the towns pretending to be travellers. They were treated as
guests and then got up in the middle of the night and killed their
hosts. Victorious in the subsequent battle, Mohammed ordered between 600 and 900 Jewish men beheaded and took the women and children as
slaves.Mohammed had the one Jewish tribal leader and his son killed,
then took the son’s 17 year old widow for a ‘wife’ on the same day.
When Moslems chant “Khaybar Khaybar ya Yahud” (“Khaybar, Khaybar, Oh
Jews!”) they are remembering this slaughter with pride and expressing a
wish to repeat it.” ”It is mass-psychologically crucial to expose these things in mass media, educate about Muhammad’s sadism, slavery, racism, pederasty, sadist open end, non-expiring, indefinite, permanent brainwash commandments etc., about Hitler’s atrocities in connection to Islam, about Muhammadism’s unjust violent history til today if we honestly don’t want this brainwashing & Jihad-violence to happen over & over again. It is political education.
Expose & ban the lunatic ideology of the white fascist inventor of slavery of Africans Muhammad, for the pride of Africans!
If we don’t want Jihad to reoccure again & again we have to educate about this pederast, white fascist inventor of slavery of Africans, (who justified slavery of Africans by saying that his deity colored Africans black so their descendants would be slaves to Arabs & Turks,) who dreamed about an all white people paradise with pederasty,
publicly shame, expose the rapist, thief, extortionist, deceiver, racist, mass-murderer, unjust torturer, crucifier who burned alive innocent people to death.If government officials aint got that political education they are a public security threat, not dedicated to their task, not fit to do their job, disrespectful.
Apostates of theism unite for human rights the new religion.
No more power to people who are brainwashed with religious contracts they made with unicorns, Santa claus, deities or pederast, rapist, inventor of African slavery, deceiver & sadist Muhammad.
Islam works in two ways: Islam (Taqiyya-deception) & Jihad-violence.
Just like I don’t want the government to be infested with theism I don’t want it to represent any religion of Taqiyya deception or Jihad violence.Enough of the retarded brainwash, enough of the arrogant people in the government that are too idle or too retarded to educate themselves about what Muhammad did & open-endedly, indefinitely commanded his army to do. Enough of the Jihad.
Some of Muhammad’s open end, indefinite, non-expiring, permanent sadist brainwash commandments:
Quran 2:191 “Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them.”
Quran 3:28 “Muslims must not take the infidels as friends.”
Quran 3:85 “Any religion other than Islam is not acceptable.”
Quran 5:33 “Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticise Islam.”
Quran 8:12 “Terrorize and behead those who believe in scriptures other than
the Quran.”
Quran 8:60 “Muslims must muster all weapons to terrorize the infidels.”
Quran 8:65 “The unbelievers are stupid; urge the Muslims to fight them.”
Quran 9:5 “When opportunity arises kill the infidels wherever you find
them.”
Quran 9:30 “The Jews and Christians are perverts, fight them.”
Quran 9:123 “Make war on the infidels living in your neighborhood.”
Quran 22:19 “Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked iron rods,
boiling water, melt their skin and bellies.
Quran 47:4 “Do not hanker for peace with the infidels; beahed them when
you catch them.”Surat Al-‘Anfāl
[Remember] when your Lord inspired to the angels, “I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip.”
Surat At-Tawbah
And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush.
Surat Al-Baqarah
“And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah [debrainwashing] is worse than killing.”
Surat At-Tawbah
The Jews say, “Ezra is the son of Allah “; and the Christians say, “The Messiah is the son of Allah .” That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them]. May Allah destroy them; how are they deluded?”
Surat Al-Ma’idah (5.33) http://quran.com/5/33, forbids on the penalty of death reformation of Muhammad’s theist dogma as heresy.
Surat An-Nisa’ (4.89) http://quran.com/4/89 forbids reformation of Muhammad’s sadist, racist, theist dogma as apostasy ordering apostates to be killed.
We need memorials & a day of commemorance, minutes of silence for the innocent death & torture victims of Muhammad & of his followers til today.
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8 years agoReply to Globalfirm:humanrights&ecologyEnough of the copy-pasting! Perhaps you should invest in your own website/blog and not piggyback (snort!) on Pam’s.
8 years agoReply to June SkeltonWow! Globalfirm wrote a book that time! Ha! Should get their own site for that sort of blethering!
8 years agoYou can expect : threats, violence and a mysterious fire in the Bodleian just like all the other library fires, in India, Constantinople, Alexandria etc., etc. ad infin. That is the usual Islamic response to the disagreement of truth.
These barbarians are not interested in any truth but their own great lie: that of the “prophet ” Muhammad who gave licence to murder, slavery & theft. What will the leftards do here? Ohh they will call it a fake designed by republican racist Klansmen to defile islam the religion of peace(sic?). Their replies to my comments are so pathetically doctrinal now that I never bother to answer them as the replies simply verifies the fools.
Unfortunately if you bother to check sources such as “forbidden Archaeology” there is an awful lot of conflicting truths swept under the “scientific and historical carpets so as to stop the rocking of the academic boats and this definitely applies to archaeology and obviously history as so much of what we are led to believe is absolute bull effluent (eg the dreadful crusaders who dared to actually hit back after 500 years of suffered aggression.8 years agoScholars have been saying this since forever:
http://vladdisblog.blogspot.ca/2015/08/oldest-koran-destabilises-islamic.html
Scroll down past the article to see the detailed truth about islam’s origins.
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8 years agoLet the hole manuscript be translated so that people may know the truth
8 years agoNone of the early mosques faced Mecca. islam is a scam, a big lie.
http://apologika.blogspot.com/2014/03/why-did-first-muslims-pray-towards-petra.html
8 years agoThe radicals will not believe it. They will say that the infidels are lying to destroy their beliefs.
8 years agoSo did Mo call already-existing “religious” practices his own invention? Then he added some real neat stuff that Allah told him in his sleep was ok like adding a fourth wife and having sex with children.
8 years agoI read 2 years ago, before they found this scripture, about 4 of the oldest knowing Qurans in the world. One is in Kazakhstan or Uzbekistan (i forgot where), one in Germany in a Museum 2 others i forgot. All 4 show different scriptures and messages. They are not identically. So in the development of the Islam there were many other views and oppinions before it became the Quran that we know in our days. The Islam was interpreted many times and changed his messages a lot. If you compare the 4 books and take the 5th from England you will see that they are all totally different. Muslims tells that their religion is pure and never changed but it is not true.It changed a lot and there exist many different versions. The majority of Muslims dont know it because their religious leaders are affraid of this facts.
8 years agoThe Quran quotes passages from Isaiah as well as gnostic Gospels, In fact Judaism and Christianity in Arabia were known to be rather Gnostic. Then, there is the history of the recensions under Abu Bekr, Omar, and Uthman. It is not even certain that the Prophet was literate. Pre-Islamic literature is not very well known, except for some of the poetry and tales of the old Arab heroes.
8 years agoThis discovery would make NO impact on muslim belief because muslims do not read much in general and the few who do read, only read approved texts.
8 years agoThis is why they are destroying historical artifacts by the truckload. I remember reading, probably here on Atlas Shrugs, that Jewish scholars were finding a lot of artifacts in the landfill outside Jerusalem for a while, I believe from under the Dome of the Rock. It was being disposed of by the muslims to hide any further discoveries.
8 years agoSo now we know that Islam is based on a complete lie?
8 years agoThis will send the jihad’s into a seething rage, along with every other muslim that believes Mohammed was a prophet of GOD
8 years agoIf anything this prove that Satan cannot really create anything…
8 years agoThis document is actually a sign of big trouble. At least as I see it. In Islamic eschatology it is said that Christians and Jews will come to believe in Islam once new scriptures are found that refute the bible. Now if the parchments are older than the ink it might be that this thing is a grand forgery. But one that apparently is still able to persuade the experts of it’s authenticity. The bible warns us that the antichrist, which will be islamic by the way, will cast down the truth which as many will agree is the word of God Daniel 8:12. The appearance of this document might be an oman of that and in the end documents like these could spell the imminent arrival of the antichrist and lead to the falling away as forsaid by the apostle Paul 2Thes 2:3.
8 years agoGonna see some really upset Muslims trying to burn Britain to the ground…buckle your seat belts Dorothy, cause Kansas is going bye-bye!
8 years agoWell tell that to those who pray with their butts in the air. You’d probably be skinned and burned upside down. Civilized people would sit down and discuss the issues but not these barbarians. Just pronouncing the word Muhammad in a different way may have your throat slit. Nothing will change the situation except with a nuclear warhead.
8 years agoThere had been theroies that Muhammad as a person did not exist, or like Jesus, is a composit of many prophets of the time. It may be the same with the Koran, or at least it seems to be. Generally the stuff on this site cannot be trusted, they’re all corporate fascists.
8 years agoYe olde manvscript – thou musteth beheadeth the infidel….
8 years agoI fondly recall the debates on the book “Did Muhammad Exist.” While Spencer made a very compelling argument I thought that the argument that no one would have written of the idiotic things that mohammad did , if he was a fictional character.
That reasoning made a lot of sense to me. So while mohammad existed it’s his quran that is fictional.8 years ago“demolish the Islamic claim that the Qur’an was delivered in perfect form through Gabriel from Allah to Muhammad..”
The Quran was sent down before the Creed of Nicea!!!
The Quranic Muhammad was born in the 3rd Century. Everything about Islam and the Prophet was post dated to the 7th Century by the Arabs after the Arabization of the ME!!!
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