WATCH VIDEO: Pamela Geller Speaks at Free Speech Conference Before Jihad Shooting

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Pamela Geller Free speechHere’s what the enemies of freedom sought to crush last night. Truth and freedom. But they went up against the wrong kuffar, and they were crushed instead.

Much thanks to Mark Campbell and United West for footage.

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Brian Hockersmith
Brian Hockersmith
8 years ago

I am so glad that you Pamela and Robert and Geert and every single patriot that was able to attend were unharmed in standing strong for our first amendment in a way its kind of a positive incident this attack shows the world how completely intolerant Islamic supremacy can be thank you for your continued fight against preserving our freedoms. God bless.

Commieobamie
Commieobamie
8 years ago

Well, one guard has his ankle shot out. He deserves credit also.

IMPACT1
IMPACT1
8 years ago
Reply to  Commieobamie

YES. HE DOES!!

Brian Hockersmith
Brian Hockersmith
8 years ago
Reply to  Commieobamie

You are very right my meaning was fatalities but yes he deserves credit.

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8 years ago

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Pray Hard
Pray Hard
8 years ago

It’s a beautiful day in the neighborhood.

Joe
Joe
8 years ago

Greetings from the UK! I’m so pleased you’re working to protect free speech rights, and that no one innocent was killed in the recent attack.

Normally if something was going to cause offence to a lot of people I wouldn’t do it; why would I want to hurt people? The problem with the cartoons, though, is that a small group in Western society has decided to impose their values on the rest of us. The objection to depictions of Muhammad is purely religious dogma, so it’s meaningless to those of us who are not Muslim.

The only response to this is vigorous assertion of our free speech rights. We should make sure that cartoons and other pictures of Muhammad are everywhere, asserting our freedom and our refusal to surrender to threats. As a side-effect, if these pictures are everywhere, it becomes impossible for the loonies to attack us. They can attack one or two people who publish these images, but not thousands.

Sadly your article about the Daily Mail is spot on. As far as I know, the only Muhammad cartoon published by a mainstream British newspaper is this one:

http://www.theguardian.com/cartoons/stevebell/0,,1701293,00.html

I’m not sure if this is driven by fear or a misguided wish to avoid causing offence, but that’s the reality in Britain at the moment.

W B
W B
8 years ago

Your obsession although based on a sound principal distorts your concept of what is appropriate behavior. It’s not about oneupmanship as that very often clouds the real truth. The proportionally and perhaps enlightened few who would be enthusiastic supporters of your draw Mohamed expo does not serve your cause well when compared to a what is now an increasingly large group of the population who will view you as a some lunatic. I sorry to say that you’ve lost me Pamela

iWildwood
iWildwood
8 years ago
Reply to  W B

W B, what is it that you would consider appropriate behavior? Hiding in the closet in silence, hoping to God your enemy never finds you?

As has always been the case, the brave minority continue to defend the god-given rights of an ignorant majority.

Lacouray Too
Lacouray Too
8 years ago
Reply to  W B

The only people who would view Ms. Geller as a lunatic are mooslems.
Almost added ‘or idiots’; but it’s the same.

Cate
Cate
8 years ago
Reply to  W B

I’m sorry to say that you are lost. The reality is, those who wish to engage in free speech are increasingly being shut down. Question for you – why isn’t Molly Norris being talked about? This is a woman who had to give up EVERYTHING because she drew Muhammad. She has been on an Al Qaeda hit list since creating Everyone Draw Muhammad Day. She had to disappear, at the advice of the FBI, because Muslims want to kill her.

This event ABSOLUTELY serves everyone who wishes to stand up for free speech. The reality is – there IS a problem in Islam that needs to be dealt with. Pamela’s message is getting out there – far and wide. She is bringing the issues with Islam to light. I can say, there are more and more people who are WELL aware of the problems in Islam. It’s on the news every single day. Frankly, people see ISIS in the news, they see Islam. That’s the truth!

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  Cate

How do you plan on dealing with this “problem in Islam”? Mass genocidal purges?

Ghost
Ghost
8 years ago

The question is how would YOU deal with it? Hiw would you stop them?

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  Ghost

This is not a prosecution. Answer my questions and I’ll answer yours.

RalphB
RalphB
8 years ago

“Bob Loblaw” asks how Cate plans on dealing with the “problem in Islam” and offers a suggestion, namely, “mass genocidal purges”.

First, since Bob seems to have trouble understanding that an attack on an evil ideology is not necessarily an attack on those who were born to or who profess a watered-down version of that ideology, let’s go through this one more time.

What is the problem in Islam? Islam is an evil ideology. Islam makes Nazism and Communism look like a garden party. Read the Quran and Hadith. Islam is a primitive death cult invented by seventh-century barbarians as a justification for their predations. That does not mean that in fact or in our benighted “hatred” we believe that every woman and child in those warrior tribes was a predator. That does not mean, in fact or in our “hatred” we believe that every nominal Muslim from that time to our own, vast numbers of whom were converted on pain of death, actually believes that Allah commands them to holy war against the infidel simply because they believe differently, but they know better than to say so, lest they be branded apostate and killed with a mighty “Alahu Ackbar”.

We do not hate those Muslims who fear to speak out. If you lived in Iran, would you try to reform Islam in your land? Saudi Arabia? Syria? We do not hate those American Muslims who believe that there is a moderate Islam and that the bloody violence of the last 1300 years was an aberration. We simply believe that they are deluded. They literally do not know their own religion. We all know that Judeo-Christian history is also filled with violence and darkness but Europe managed to rediscover the pro-life, and pro-reason philosophies of ancient Greece and fought its way back to health through an age of Enlightenment. Islam never had an Enlightenment.

So no, Bob, mass genocidal purges are not the way one deals with the problem in Islam. The way one deals with the problem is to be ruthlessly honest about the bloody violence of Islam and about the causes of that bloody violence. The causes are not to be found in some ‘original sin’ that somehow afflicts dark-skinned residents of the Middle East, causing them to become violent and stupidly blame their peaceful religion. And the causes are not to be found in the abuse they have suffered at the hands of white colonialists. Do you think the problem was the abuse suffered by privileged Saudis like Osama Bin Laden and the 9/11 hijackers? Do you think the problem was evil colonialists like the Turkmen, Shabaks, Yazidis, and Christians of Iraq (there being no Jews left) killed by the oppressed jihadis of ISIS?

The causes of peoples actions, as ever, are to be found in their thinking or lack of it. The causes are to be found in the fundamental beliefs of Islam as professed in its fundamental documents, as cited again and again by those responsible for the slaughter: the most devout fundamentalist Muslims.

And how does one stop the violence by being honest about its causes? By depriving the devout of the psychological rewards of their devotion. Just as the thinkers of the European Enlightenment shamed the clerics who thought the “revealed word of God” was superior to reasoned argument by relentlessly demanding intellectually respectable answers to their questions and ridiculing their empty rationalizations, so must we shame the devout Muslim, depriving him of the rewards of his deluded “moral superiority”. No belief is above criticism, shame and ridicule. The fact that the most devout Muslims are so horrified of it says everything about why it is the most potent weapon in our effort to make an Islamic Enlightenment inevitable.

Get this through your head: we do not hate Muslims. We hate the ideology that their most consistent representatives continue to espouse, which is, in short: Islam’s rightful domination of the world.

The fact that the most devout Muslims are so horrified of it says everything about why it is the most potent weapon in our effort to make an Islamic Enlightenment inevitable.
When Muslims not exposed to the West first learn of the internalized personal freedom of Westerners, their fearless casual blasphemies and so on, they are shocked and often go into the kind of denial that says, “you can’t think the unthinkable!” Then comes the anger: “Behead those who insult Islam.” Then the bargaining: “Sure, freedom of speech is one thing, but this is hate speech.” Then the depression — we haven’t seen a lot of this yet on the wholesale level, but you can be sure it is a part of the journey of every brave soul who has become apostate to Islam. It was culture-wide in the lands of the former Ottoman Empire when Europe said “enough” and showed them the power of the mind in warfare, but fortunately there are gentler ways now because we are in the Information Age.

Finally, when the devout realize that their campaigns of terrorism and psychological intimidation are only met with ridicule and the bullets of our inalienable right to self-defense, then and only then, will the psychic rewards of being Allah’s Favorite turn to wormwood and gall in their mouths and they too will start to question their masters’ dictates. Eventually they will reach the stage of the acceptance of reason and free will, and be ready for the Enlightenment.

That’s how you deal with the “problem in Islam”.

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  RalphB

It makes literally no difference when you condemn the entirety of a religious faith based on your prejudicial understanding of what Islam is, which actually, by the way, has a hugely varied number of interpretations. But why should we let that get in the way of intellectually lazy bigotry? You condemn them all collectively and demand they convert or die. You have become exactly that which you purport to hate. You have stripped yourself of every last semblance of a moral conscience, and I have not a doubt in my mind you would force them all into camps for extermination unless they converted away from the faith by force.

RalphB
RalphB
8 years ago

“Bob Loblaw” writes:

“You condemn them all collectively and demand they convert or die. You have become exactly that which you purport to hate.”

Did you even read what I wrote? You think I “condemn them all collectively” when i say, “we do not hate Muslims. We hate the ideology that their most consistent representatives continue to espouse, which is, in short: Islam’s rightful domination of the world” ?

And you claim that I “demand they convert or die,” when what I explicitly said, in contrast to the military solution to Ottoman imperialism was that, “there are gentler ways now because we are in the Information Age”?

And then you wrote, “You have stripped yourself of every last semblance of a moral conscience, and I have not a doubt in my mind you would force them all into camps for extermination unless they converted away from the faith by force.”

This from the ‘thinker’ whose only suggestion for those of us concerned with the “problem in Islam” was “mass genocidal purges”! When I offer him the alternative of shaming and ridiculing the irrationality of Islam so that they would as free and sovereign individuals initiate an Islamic Enlightenment — a completely non-violent solution — “Bob Loblaw” maintains that my solution is to “force them all into camps for extermination unless they converted away from the faith by force.” Did you miss my sympathy for Muslims, “vast numbers of whom were converted on pain of death,” or were you, in your blind, irrational anger, hoping to turn my sympathy against me?

You are clearly projecting onto me your own sick heart and your own vicious solution to the problem of those whom you hate. This is your response to those of us who are determined only to have the right to non-violently disagree with the Islamic supremacist agenda without being murdered for our opinions! In responding thus, you have clearly abandoned reason as a solution and allied yourself with the forces of darkness. Your real agenda has been exposed.

You are the hater and you lose.

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
8 years ago

I condemn pi$$lam the same way I condemn Nazism and for practically the same reasons. If you don’t like it go kiss a Djinn’s backside.

famouswolf
famouswolf
8 years ago

LOL You are one of those who would let your own culture be purged rather than shed one drop of enemy blood to prevent it. Or perhaps you are simply a moslem trying to derail the commentary.
Either way, I for one have absolutely no use for moral and no doubt physical cowards and fools such as yourself.

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  famouswolf

Dude, seriously, in what way am I being “purged” by virtue of my beliefs? I have never once been affected by a Muslim restricting my rights, and I would bet a month’s salary you haven’t been either.

SCREW SOCIALISM
SCREW SOCIALISM
8 years ago

Booblaw, Your “month’s salary” is not much of a draw.

Our freedom is now restricted in response to terrorist attacks by Muslims.

Screening of luggage and passengers at airports to prevent another 9/11. Remember the old days when all you needed was a boarding pass?

Backpacks are prohibited at public events.

In the UK, speaking the words of Winston Churchill re: Islam is now considered an offense. NOT the words of jihadi scum who openly threaten the UK and Eurabia.

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
8 years ago
Reply to  Cate

Ethnic cleansing is a hallmark of islamic-nazism all across the Mid-East, N. Africa, Turkey and Indonesia not only in the here and now, but in pi$$lam’s exceedingly bloody past.

Brooke
Brooke
8 years ago
Reply to  W B

The issue is Muslims are commanded to make the world under sharia law and the penalty for insulting islam or mohaamad is death. We have Freedom of Speech here in the States and in the developed countries. We do not have sharia law…we have FREEDOM of SPEECH… people criticizing Pamela Geller are supporting the Muslims and sharia law here

Ghost
Ghost
8 years ago
Reply to  W B

Horse shit. You phony posters NEVER talk about Islam and its problems, OR find any fault with the “prophet” Mohammed, now do you? Gives you away EVERY TIME.

famouswolf
famouswolf
8 years ago
Reply to  W B

That’s a strong assumption on your part.
If that all it takes to lose you, you were not worthy of Geller to start with.
It’s also hilarious to me that you believe it matters one whit whether or not Pamela in particular or those of us who will fight islamic incursion ‘lost’ you.

lostlegends
lostlegends
8 years ago

You have been awarded two iconic decals for the driver’s side of your vehicle, or trophy case or in the garage at the beach house. Each decal is on a green field with a gold cresent moon and gold sun burst. Display with pride. By order of the commander, Sierra Rifles.

Guest
Guest
8 years ago

Islam may appear hard, but it is also brittle. A small crack anywhere in the structure can spread throughout. Islam claims that the Koran is the literal word of God, which was dictated to, but not written by, Mohammed.

So it’s an all-or-nothing cult. Any fault in the Koran, or doubts as to the truthfulness of Mohammed, can cause the whole system to disintegrate. Muslims already subconsciously realise this, because they fly into tantrums whenever either Mohammed or the Koran is ‘disrespected’ . Under Sharia law any criticism or either Mohammed or the Koran is blasphemy which is punished by death.

This paranoid, hypersensitive defensiveness and outrage at criticism are not the reactions of a confident belief system, but of an information-control cult. These reactions are evidence of an attempt to protect a fatal vulnerability, an attempt to cover an Achilles heel.

The location of that Achilles heel was amply demonstrated by the Satanic Verses affair, the Motoons rage, and by the OIC’s insidious attempts to introduce global laws against ‘blasphemy’ of Mohammed. The Muslims themselves have shown us their most vulnerable spot, which is the questionable (though unquestioned) character of the ‘Prophet’ himself. We need to satirise and ridicule child-molesting Mo until the Muslims fly into uncontrollable tantrums, then ridicule them even more for their tantrums, and repeat the process until they froth at the mouth and steam comes out of their ears.

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  Guest

As self-satisfying as I am sure it is to your own ego to harbor these discriminatory beliefs about all Muslims, this seems to me more of an issue of issues inflaming conflict between east and west in both the Middle East and here at home. Never mind we have spent several decades supporting dictatorial regimes oppressing the rights of Muslims in foreign nations. Forget all those tens of thousands of innocent civilians maimed, killed and displaced as a consequence of our actions. Pay no mind to our blind support for a fascist dictatorship imposing a military Apartheid on impoverished human beings for over 60 years with our tacit support. Now we have to go about denigrating their basic humanity solely because some wish to judge a broad and diverse culture by the violent reactions of a tiny minority of extremists.

To you, small denigrations of their religious customs and views are small potatoes. To a people who have known very little to come from the west other than broad-based suspicion and violent persecution, it is the straw that broke the camel’s back.

Cate
Cate
8 years ago

Tiny minority of extremists? You have lost your freakin’ mind. The REALITY is, silence = complicity. Until alleged moderate Muslims (and I use that term loosely) stand up en masse, denounce their terrorist counterparts, demand an overhaul to their ideology, and expunge the texts of the violence and savagery that is inherent in Islam, NOT ONE can be trusted anywhere in this world. Muslims cloak themselves in a thin veneer of civility. However, at the slightest provocation, they throw off that cloak and reveal themselves for what they are. So, what are you going to do when you say, “it is the straw that broke the camel’s back?” Are you going full on jihadie? Gonna strap on that bomb vest? That’s what I fully expect from either a muzzie, or a muzzie sympathizer.

And furthermore, as for myself – I FULLY support Israel.

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  Cate

Moderate Muslims DO regularly stand up en masse denouncing terrorism. The issue at hand here is even when they do you purposefully refuse to listen, instead choosing to maintain your discriminatory prejudice against all Muslims based on the actions of extremists. The ugly dehumanization campaign instigated here is little different than the Third Reich’s propaganda against all Jews, take a category of people and continually target them for discrimination based on misleading broad-based slander. You even say it yourself after after your laundry list of prejudicial expectations you place upon them. “NOT ONE can be trusted”. I’m sorry you believe that but it is nothing but a full scale embrace of prejudicial hatred. Especially galling is your immediate assumption that I am some supporter of terrorism for not agreeing to bow before all of your ideological demands, even as I am not a Muslim myself.

Israel is a fascist theocracy. You support theocratic fascism much in the same way Islamic extremists do.

The Bull
The Bull
8 years ago

Hi Bob
The problem is the Quran and therefore the whole of Islam. A good Muslim is one who follows the Quran to the letter. The group that does this the best is ISIS. Moderate Muslims simply do not follow the Quran in it’s entirety. Whilst not all Muslims are Terrorists, all Muslims are potentially terrorists. It’s that simple and staring us all in the face.

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  The Bull

I have read a good deal of the Quran as well as the anti-Islamic propaganda from sites who take portions wildly out of context like religionofpeace. I can guarantee you the propagandists do not have the intellectual sincerity to actually understand the Quran much less the wildly varied interpretations of it across the Muslim world. For example, when speaking of Quranic interpretation as well as the Hadith, which interpretation are we speaking of? Sunni? Shia? Sufi? Wahhabi? Ibadi?

Sorry to say but I seriously doubt your theological qualifications to determine ISIS to be the ONLY correct interpretation of the Quran, especially as a great many of their actions, such as burning a man alive, are explicitly HARAM or forbidden.

“Whilst not all Muslims are Terrorists, all Muslims are potentially terrorists.”

It is astounding you think this is a distinction with a difference at all. You still harbor prejudicial suspicion on the basis of identity, so why not go whole hog and say all Muslims including Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Reza Aslan are terrorists. You know you want to.

The Bull
The Bull
8 years ago

I didn’t say ISIS is the only correct interpretation. Burning a man alive is sanctioned in the Quran.

4:56 Indeed, those who disbelieve in Our verses – We will drive them into a Fire. Every time their skins are roasted through We will replace them with other skins so they may taste the punishment. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted in Might and Wise.

This verse gives any Muslim the right to burn me alive!!!

Remember the Hadiths were written along time after the Quran. During this period the true nature of Islam was founded. The interpretations may vary slightly, but the mainstream ones call for killing/subjugation of apostates and unbelievers etc.

If any one believes the Quran in its entirety then they are a Terrorist plain and simple.

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  The Bull

Taking one solitary verse out of the context of the others leaves people with faulty interpretations. The Fire which this verse speaks is the metaphorical fires of hell, a judgment of God’s, not man’s. Read these further passages and you’ll see a very different explanation of what is written here.

http://quran.com/4/55-61

And that is the issue I take with people who are neither theologians nor engaged in sincere theological study telling others what to read into the Quran, including to the exclusion of the public statements of present Islamic scholarship. You can check out this list of numerous prominent Islamic clerics throughout the world condemning Lt. Al-Kasseasbeh’s execution here.

http://in.reuters.com/article/2015/02/04/mideast-crisis-jordan-clerics-idINKBN0L814Q20150204

The Bull
The Bull
8 years ago

OK 4:56 is Allahs punishment upon man. Nevertheless, Islam does sanction the killing of unbelievers and apostates and does seek to overthrow democracy. There is some justification in Islam that supports burning people: http://www.frontpagemag.com/2015/dr-stephen-m-kirby/islam-and-burning-people-alive/

Surah 8:57 So if you gain the mastery over them in war, punish them severely in order to disperse those who are behind them, so that they may learn a lesson.

Demsci
Demsci
8 years ago

//”Taking one solitary verse out of the context of the others leaves people with faulty interpretations.”//

Yes, and I respect that, but it goes both ways. The totalitarian, violent Muslims do the same thing.

So Quran-Hadiths-Sira in their interpretations are dangerous, and competitive, and detrimental, for our culture.But only they are considered binding guidelines Muslims. There exists no harmless democracy-friendly interpretation of Islam that is also binding to a known big number of Muslims. All we hear from Muslims is how Islam is NOT dangerous, NOT totalitarian, NOT interpreted well by the terrorists or the Kuffars. In short, we only hear denial, but we nowhere see “democratic Islam” as binding. And remember we DO see a danger to democratic culture.

How are we about to defend and promote our culture, ideology then? And in a fair non-violent way if possible?

By insisting that other cultures can only be considered totally innocent until proven guilty? Which seems to be your guiding principle.

We prefer “verbal denigrating, even “hateful” but still non-vielent discourse, allowed to all opponents, like you. You should n’t have a problem with that if you are genuinely democratic.

Jethro Bodien
Jethro Bodien
8 years ago
Reply to  The Bull

Your stinking bible can be interpreted in some amazingly twisted ways as well! Just look at most of the republican party.

famouswolf
famouswolf
8 years ago
Reply to  Jethro Bodien

That’s ignorant…no, simply stupid.
Abysmally stupid.

Jethro Bodien
Jethro Bodien
8 years ago
Reply to  famouswolf

No it’s true…try reading it.

famouswolf
famouswolf
8 years ago
Reply to  Jethro Bodien

cancel (you)

Ghost
Ghost
8 years ago

http://www.jihadwatch.org/islam-101

Speak to these facts.

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  Ghost

You wish for me to comment on a huge article several dozen pages in length? Seems a tad unreasonable, don’tchathink?

Demsci
Demsci
8 years ago

You are just in denial. When it is clear that there are multiple interpretations of a immutable corpus of texts, over 1300 years old. where does that leave us?

In the context that we in our culture sense danger, threat, which we explained ad nauseam, but you deny, ignore,

It still leaves us with ISIS obviously having a very credible possible valid interpretation of at least some of that Islamic Corpus.

AND a host of other possible explanations? And now, for the sake of sparing the FEELINGS of Muslims, and freedom of religion, we are to conclude, in the face of danger, that Islam somehow is

“peaceful”, “harmless to our way of life”?
“NOT totalitarian, as so many texts and Muslims by their interpretations, declarations and behavior seem to confirm?

NO! If anything those immutable texts are then to be considered FAULTY! Obsolete after 1300 years, incomplete, multi-interpretable. At least to scrupulously logical independent observers and lovers of our own culture, perhaps ideology.

And to stick to such ambiguous, dangerous misunderstood and misused texts, THAT IS a choice, made by Muslims. And why not hold them accountable for that choice?

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  Demsci

You revealed the core issue with your prejudice, that you and yours alone have finally decoded the inherent evil of a religion which has existed for 1300 years in the span of a few Internet articles. You have figured out over a billion people are summarily evil. This idea is fundamentally completely insane.

Demsci
Demsci
8 years ago

Remember; 2 competing cultures, ideologies even. Of course the one could well be evil for the other! If our side senses this, knowing Islam and Muslims well enough, then presumption of innocence of suspects is suicidal!

That is a far cry of us saying we totally understand Islam and that we understand it better than all others.

We just know our own ideology and ENOUGH of the competitor/ Conqueror Islam to be very concerned.

But in the context of “presumed innocent until proven guilty” and not just praising and supporting Islam and Muslims but also censoring reasonable criticism + “denigrating hateful speech” (for the sake of sparing the feelings of Muslims),

Muslims and people like you strive hard for mankind to keep seeing Islam as basically a mystery, variable, innocent, harmless.

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  Demsci

This is the kind of binary thinking that has contributed to all societal conflict in the history of human existence. The notion that someone “Not You” has to be inherently evil is the height of human arrogance.

What I am trying to prevent is you summarily defining anyone different from yourself as evil, but judging by your response, I fear this is practically hopeless at this point and you would be willing to exterminate me by virtue of not submitting to your ideological whims.

Demsci
Demsci
8 years ago

Well, not “evil” in the sense of “devilish”, just different, a competitor, threat even. And yes, considering that there is a difference, hence a choice, making the choice and defending it.

Pray, when was there a time there was NO binary thinking, “us and them”, no conflict in the history of mankind? Or of civilization?

And again, are you just telling us? Or also Muslims, they have the binary thinking for sure! Please measure by the same standards! I prefer you acquit us both, not just them through denial.

That’s just it, we are a culture of “hate, denigration” we hurt your feelings, yes. But in order to work something out and not hurt your bodies anymore! That’s now in our culture too. No democracy ever had war with another, and through the centuries and decades, violence per capita is declining!

SCREW SOCIALISM
SCREW SOCIALISM
8 years ago

Judge Islam by..

– 9/11
– 1993 truck bombing of the WTC
– failed sneaker and underwear bombers
– bombing of Pan Am 103
– Londons 7/7/05 transport bombings
– beheading of British soldier Lee Rigby on the streets of London
– Boston Marathon bombing
– Charlie Hebdo massacre
– Fort Hood Texas massacre
– Copenhagen massacre
– Sydney Australia massacre
– Mumbai India massacre
– Nairobi Kenya massacre
– Sadaam Hussein’s use of poison gas (a WMD) on the Kurds of Halabja Iraq
– ISIS beheading captives videos
– ISIS burning a caged man alive
– Boko Haram kidnapping and raping girls in Nigeria
– Taliban shooting a girl in the head for the crime of wanting an education
– Hamass killing opponents and dragging their bodies through the streets of Gaza
– Fascist Irans Holocaust denial conference
– Fascist Irans ayatollah khomeni’s death fatwa on writer Salman Rushdie for writing a book of fiction
– Death fatwas on Danish cartoonists
– Death threats on South Park cartoonists

There’s more. Much more.

Over to you comrade.

Cate
Cate
8 years ago

Oh really? I don’t see much from any Muslim denouncing Islamic terrorism. And THAT’S the truth. And I don’t see you denouncing it yourself. Tells me all I need to know about you – you are a craven apologist for Islamic terrorism.

Cate
Cate
8 years ago
Reply to  Cate

And for the record, Bob, we differ on viewpoints. Believe whatever you want – if you live in THIS country, you get to have that choice. I won’t kill you for what you believe. However, Muslims will try and kill me for what I believe. And therein lies the difference.

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  Cate

The notion that you think you can summarily read the minds of over a billion people is extreme arrogance, or fear, probably a mixture of both

JacktheRipper
JacktheRipper
8 years ago

We don’t have to read their minds, they tell us what they’re
thinking, and it’s in total agreement with what the terrorists are killing for. The best evidence is the polls, where moderates tell us they want sharia, and that folks should be severely punish or even killed for critical views of their “religion” or “prophet.” It’s a tyranny, and Muhammad was a murderer/pedophile/torturer. They want to eliminate all other faiths, and replace our laws with theirs. You accuse us of a hasty generalization, but even 30% of one billion muslims translates into a pretty big threat. It took only 19 muslims with box cutters to destroy the world’s peace. I’m not at all comforted knowing there’s “only” 300 million that feel the same way.

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  JacktheRipper

I’ve read a lot of those polls and the interpretation of the responses leaves me wanting for actual hard evidence this is mainstream belief. It is also easy to misunderstand out of the context of societies where authoritarian regimes ruling by brute force have spread the cultural lie that this is the natural order of the rule of law. Oppressed people have a tendency towards a desire for oppression against others as retribution. It is not at all endemic to being Muslim or living in a Muslim culture, as we have seen numerous times throughout history such as in Cordoba, Spain where the three Abrahamic faiths coexisted in peace and harmony.

Never mind how all of the harshest critics of Islam such as the Gellar faithful here completely ignore the historical effect of western oppression on these societies and as if all these acts of terrorism weren’t frequently invoked as a righteous response to perceived acts of injustice.

The Bull
The Bull
8 years ago

It’s true that the USA gets it wrong and may even be evil sometimes, however, there is no underlying belief system that allows the genocide of those who are not American citizens. You have to learn to separate the actions of people from the doctrines they hold. It just so happens that BECAUSE Islam allows horrendous crimes that you find some Muslims doing such things. Likewise, Americans do terrible things as well, but they are not supported by the constitution. This is the war and the difference. It’s over a destruction manual called the Quran, not Muslims themselves.

Demsci
Demsci
8 years ago

We, with Pamela, have a culture, perhaps even an ideology, to defend. And yes to promote it, at the cost of other cultures, even with “denigration and hate, hurting feelings, and why not, if all others have the same right?

And we have in Western society extraordinary freedoms, and oppression was much more normal in history, so yes, also by Westerners, from beginning of civilization until recently done by all, not just Westerners.

And so, I don;t think Westerners as a whole IGNORE something in history. And Muslims are welcome to bring our faults to our attention. But don’t you go, by the same token, ignoring and denying the responsibility of Muslims and the effect of Islam’s holy texts!

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  Demsci

I’d really like to know who this “we” is you speak of, in your mind, of course.

Demsci
Demsci
8 years ago

Fair question. Fair answer: I don’t know for sure. All I know is that the culture of the West, I find great, I know it, we have the 5 pillars of Democracy; Constitutional State (with the law above all), Free Elections, Freedom of Speech, Autonomy of the Individual (esp. women and non-believers too), Separation of Church and State.

And I have not polled, but with all my heart I believe Pamela Geller, Robert Spencer, Geert Wilders and the vast majority of their readers, are in favor of that too.

But see it threathened, and competed with, on a global scale (I grant you, not so much on a national scale).

And Pamela, Robert, Geert, as well as Ayaan Hirsi Ali and other, with danger to our lives, with great passion, are defending that.

In that context accusing of them of being in it for the money almost seems “perverse”, but certainly illogical, to me.

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  Demsci

With respect, I don’t see how Islam is at all threatening to these “5 pillars” you have adopted. It is indeed curious you should use this formulation as it is remarkably parallel to the core architecture of Islam, i.e. 5 pillars. Perhaps this was intentionally ironic and the satire escaped me somehow. If that is the case, well, I’ll leave how to respond up to you.

When it comes to these “5 pillars of Democracy”, I can name you several different non-Islamic threats to the principles you name which pose far greater threats than anything 1% of the population could pose to this country.

-Have Pamela Gellar’s readers devoted the exact same amount of energy to the issue of NSA surveillance, the endorsement of torture at the highest levels of the federal govt., and the procurement of military equipment to police depts. around the nation?
-Any commentary on the open season situation we live in with regards to campaign finance thanks to Citizens United?
-How about the stringent actions the govt. has taken against leaks?
-Where do the “rights of women and non-believers” factor in when it comes to abortion and the rights of homosexuals to have equal access to public accommodations?
-How is Separation of Church and State protected under govt. policies elevating Christian beliefs above all others?

These are all issues cutting directly to the core of your fundamental principles that have far greater influence on tens of millions of people than anything a single incident of Islamic terrorism could have on our nation. Yet I greatly suspect you will cast a very dim view on all of the issues I present.

Demsci
Demsci
8 years ago

Well, I see you see no danger to what I/ we are FOR. What I don’t know yet is; are your for it unreservedly also?

You see, criticism to democratic societies coming from adherents to totalitarian societies or from genuine adherents from full democratic system are to be considered differently.

We can respect totalitarians on the understanding that they really want a different society from us and if given the chance would take away some freedoms and rights, like for example, in Iran.

Totalitarians would then say: Look, the problems you have, like the ones you Bob, pointed out, in our society those would be better solved.

But if you are also believing the full Democratic system is the best we have, then we can work something out. Yes, these are problems, some even are also dangers to democracy.

And then we stand side by side against THEM. But then we will solve those problems only in a democratic way. And yes, some other people than just Muslims will get their feelings hurt! But not their bodies!

famouswolf
famouswolf
8 years ago
Reply to  Demsci

Agree, except no, they are NOT welcome to bring our faults to our attention.
Their entire abomination of a culture is a stain on humanity and history.

The Bull
The Bull
8 years ago

We don’t have to read any ones mind. The Quran is supposed to be the mind of good Muslims. It’s all there open for the world to see. This is the point. Do you follow the Quran or not. If so how much do you follow it. Do you beat you wife, make not friends with the Christian and Jew. Do you fight for the cause of Allah? Do you smite the necks of the unbelievers or simply treat them harshly? It’s up to you. The best Muslims will do all the above and then some.

Demsci
Demsci
8 years ago

We, ad nauseam, explained to Muslims, and people like you that we defend a worthwhile culture, and sense danger to it.

In that context, ignoring dangerous signs in the minds, declarations, behavior of Muslims, is totally irresponsible and illogical. It is then extreme arrogance, to try to dissuade people who sense a danger to their culture, to critically think and speak of the conquering and competitive culture.

And again, that other culture is doing the same thing and we are fine with that. And in our culture that other culture is also profoundly defended and praised and supported. You need only look at the president of the US and the leaders of other Western countries, and even churches, when they exonerate and praise Islam.

If it is arrogant to try to read minds and criticize, is it not arrogant to try to read minds and praise? We let both be.

Lacouray Too
Lacouray Too
8 years ago

‘Moderate Muslims DO regularly stand up en masse denouncing terrorism’.
Instead of making this empty claim, how about a couple of examples?
How about if you personally and some of your moderate friends who you regularly stand up and denounce terrorism with, openly and publicly denounce isis, hamas et al?

You can’t blame us and say we refuse to listen when Erdogan called that ‘moderate’ islam of which you speak, BS.

” There is no such thing as a moderate muslim. The term is ugly and offensive. A muslim is a muslim “. Erdogan.

He’s correct. Your book calls ‘moderates’, hypocrites.

The following quotations are some of the things on which we base our ‘discriminatory prejudice’.

“The spread of Islam by arms is a religious duty upon Muslims in general.… Jihad must continue to be done until the whole world is under the rule of Islam.…
Islam must completely be made over before the doctrine of jihad [warfare to spread Islam] can be eliminated.”
Encyclopaedia
of Islam

Qur’an 5:72
“They are surely Infidels who say Christ, the Messiah is God.”

Qur’an 5:51
“O believers do not hold Jews and Christians as your allies. They are allies of one another;
and anyone who makes them his friends is one of them.”

“Allah has sent you from your homes to fight for the Cause. Allah wished to confirm the truth by his words: wipe the Infidels out to the last. I shall fill the hearts of the Infidels with terror! So smite them on their necks and every joint, and
incapacitate them, for they are opposed to Allah and His Apostle. Whoever opposes Us should know that Allah is severe in retribution.

The Infidels will taste the torment of Hell. So when you meet them in battle do not retreat, for all who turn away from fighting will bring the wrath of Allah on themselves and their abode will be Hell. It was not you who killed them, but Allah who did so. You did not throw what you threw. Allah did to bring out the best in the faithful.”

These are some of your commands IF you’re a good muslim, one of the ‘faithful’.
You’re only fooling yourself with that I’m not a muslim BS; you’re not fooling anybody else.

Regardless of how you try to spin it, the Jews/Israelis are the people of Almighty God and Israel is the land of the people of Almighty God.

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  Lacouray Too

I already provided examples in this very thread. I can guarantee you won’t even click on them or will dismiss them as a “few good apples” in a rotten orchard.

It really doesn’t matter how many examples I provide even though I could provide HUNDREDS on the Charlie Hebdo attacks alone. You would ignore them all and continue with your lies about “why aren’t moderate Muslims speaking out”. They are. It is YOUR FAULT and yours alone that you choose to LIE to yourself and others by refusing to listen.

Lacouray Too
Lacouray Too
8 years ago

I won’t delve into the cons of the ‘examples’ you gave but I also quoted some scripture from your book.

Could you enlighten us to the different interpretations of and contexts for these verses?

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  Lacouray Too

I already did this too in this very thread, you lazy f**k

Lacouray Too
Lacouray Too
8 years ago

You’ve just rambled all over the place about Sunni, Shia, Sufi, Wahhabi, Ibadi, Salami but you have not explained any of their interpretations or contexts.
Your moderate tolerance is showing.
Don’t be angry because you worship a pedophile
profit and can’t explain why.

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  Lacouray Too

You mean I pointed out the various interpretations of Islam instead of resorting to the lazy blanket condemnation the far right does when it comes to discussing the religion? How unfair of me. It isn’t my job to explain when people are speaking massive volumes about Islam as if it is one thing, especially when my comment goes directly to the point proving it is NOT one thing, but MANY things.

I suppose I’m being PC by discerning between Protestant, Catholic and Mormon as well. I should just lump them all together because that is “truth” according to the far right.

Fred Smith
Fred Smith
8 years ago

No such thing as moderate Islam according to Recep Erdogan, PM of Turkey. He says such descriptions are an insult to Islam.

Demsci
Demsci
8 years ago

Religion must be considered a choice. And Muslims must be considered accountable for that choice. And so, instead of “discriminatory prejudice” or “prejudicial hatred” against them, we are holding them accountable! Just as people like you hold Pamela Geller and followers very much accountable for their choices. Either hold ALL accountable for their ideologies, or none!!!

It is not the same at all as using a person’s race, which is not a person’s choice, against him in a discriminatory way as the Nazi’s did.

And trust has to be earned, not demanded. And “other” Muslims have undermined the trust in “ordinary Muslims”. And at the heart of that is that we, who sense a danger

(and we explained the reasons ad nauseam, in Islamic texts, declarations of Islamic leaders, actions of a part of the Muslims)

cannot by any sure means distinguish between “Totalitarian, violent, ill-disposed” Muslims and “innocent, harmless ordinary” Muslims.

And the distinction is NOT given to us clearly enough with just vague condemnations by Muslims of the deeds of other Muslims. We need more; like Muslims saying “We are democratic Muslims, on the democratic side against Totalitarian Muslims” or “Democracy is HALAL”!

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
8 years ago

“Israel is a fascist theocracy”. Gee, strangely enough, it’s the only place Jews, Christians, atheists, Druze and Bahai can live in the Mid-East and N. Africa free from the persecution of Moslems. So what do you call Islamic states? Freedom loving democracies?

SCREW SOCIALISM
SCREW SOCIALISM
8 years ago

Islam has become a fascist ideology.

Google Images “arab nazi salute’.

http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/NaziHamasHezbollahSalute.jpg

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
8 years ago

Islam was ALWAYS a fascist ideology. Mo-ham-head murdered his critics in the exact same way Mao, Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, Pol Pot, and Castro did. If that isn’t the hallmark of fascism what is?

JacktheRipper
JacktheRipper
8 years ago

This is nothing but a blatant obfuscation on your part, a red herring by drowning our 1st amendment rights in an ocean of worldly problems. This issue is not about world events, or the turmoil islam is causing and the world’s response to it. We are discussing our fundamental right to express ourselves, to be creative, and we certainly aren’t going to allow islam’s barbaric stupidity deny us that right. There are fringe exceptions where sensible debate on free speech is possible, this is true. But I say with great confidence that islam’s violent and ignorant demands are nowhere near that line of contention.

We have a fabulous constitution in this country based on human rights, they do not rise or fall with the world’s fortunes. To us they are sacred and eternal, because they are based on the high principles of equality and justice, principles that no civilized people can reject. We don’t sell them out for thugs, tyrants, or debaters that dilute the issue with political and social complexities that are irrelevant to the discussion.

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  JacktheRipper

Your right to express yourself is not an unassailable right with a reasonable expectation to be completely free of consequences. Inflammatory speech, much as it is protected, has the potential to provoke a reaction, even a violent reaction, in innumerable situations. Whether you have such a right to deliberately insult and denigrate others does not speak to whether it is wise to do so for no other purpose other than to express hate. What do you accomplish by deliberately insulting a somewhat sacred tenet of Islam? How does this promote better civil relations between one another or reduce the potential for violence and/or terrorism?

Truth of the matter is no one’s freedom of speech is under threat by Islam or Muslims in general. What is profoundly stupid and counter-productive, though, is to try and stir up trouble by insisting on the most denigrating speech possible against a broad group of people out of the hope of a reaction from extremists. It serves no useful purpose

The issue I have is among this dehumanization campaign against Muslims people are missing the realities of how our cultures collide in many counter-productive ways which are the true causes of conflict. Perhaps it is more comfortable to say our culture is entirely innocent in the rise of violent extremism, but it would be a profoundly dishonest position to hold in the face of all the historical and present day cultural factors I mentioned.

JacktheRipper
JacktheRipper
8 years ago

Your right to express yourself is not an unassailable right with a reasonable expectation to be completely free of
consequences.

Well, thanks for the warning! Next time I want to sneeze or draw a cartoon I’ll consider the ramifications first! Wow! You sure know how to make sh*t look like ice cream. Do you really think such a sweeping summation of our first amendment should include cartoons? Bizarre.

Inflammatory speech, much as it is protected, has
the potential to provoke a reaction, even a violent reaction, in innumerable situations.

Well we’re certainly finding THAT out, aren’t we! Thanks to muslims your pathetic assessment is all too true. Please , everyone, no more cartoons! Muslims don’t like it! Look, we have every right in our free nation to NOT expect violence for something as innocuous as a cartoon. And those that disagree with murder are definitely not part of the debate.

Whether you have such a right to deliberately insult and denigrate others does not speak to whether it is wise to do so for no other purpose other than to express hate.

THEY’RE insulted? THEY’RE denigrated? Over a cartoon? No WE’RE insulted, by their outrageous assault on our right to exist freely in our own nation! They are “deliberately” insulting US with their murderous threats, and for reasons that no sane person would condone. Trust me, there’s no room for debate here, there’s no chance we’re acting unwise with our crayons and ink.

What do you accomplish by deliberately insulting a
somewhat sacred tenet of Islam?

Any religious tenets that deny people their basic human rights are not worthy of respect. What we accomplish is the preservation of our sacred 1st amendment.

How does this promote better civil relations between one another or reduce the potential for violence and/or terrorism?

Improving civil relations is a good thing, but we don’t compromise our sacred held values to do it. We stand for what is good and right, and if others don’t agree, then they are our enemy. Further, if we bow to islam then we are increasing violence and terrorism because we encourage islam’s tyrannical system. By defending what we believe then we promote human rights with all its inherent blessings. That’s the best we can do, for god and humanity.

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  JacktheRipper

I fail to see how those religious tenets have deprived anyone at all of their rights and liberty. People still regularly and with abandon insult Islam, Muslims, and draw the Prophet. We’re all still here and we still will be here tomorrow. What I don’t get is who the target audience is for all this hatred. Are you aiming at the extremists and trying to provoke them? What good comes from trying to show you are a big man by provoking murderers? I don’t go calling black people n***ers regularly either, but it is my right to do so. Should I try and piss off as many people as possible just to show I can?

If you feel your fundamental right to free speech is at all threatened by electing not to draw the Prophet, may I humbly suggest you don’t have enough to do. Muslims make up barely 1% of the population in this country so we are not at all under some threat or assault of our rights being stripped away by law or by violent threat. You want to go defecate on a Bible, wear a red shirt in Crips territory, call a UFC fighter’s girlfriend a sloot or draw the Prophet, have at it. But don’t pretend for a second you are doing some noble thing if the only intention you have is to offend and provoke. You have even less expectation that any of those acts should be summarily ignored by the target audience you wish to incite.

JacktheRipper
JacktheRipper
8 years ago

I fail to see how those religious tenets have deprived anyone at all of their rights and liberty.

Okay, are we including those getting their throats cut for expressing contrary religious views, or are we in a more narrowly defined context?–NUTS! Islam has killed and tortured millions, their lives taken, their liberties denied! Don’t make such a ridiculous denial of reality and expect to be respected in here.

I don’t go calling black people n***ers regularly either, but it is my right to do so. Should I try and piss off as many people as possible just to show I can?

Nobody disputes there are social conventions that affect free speech, some things are taboo. But you are using an analogy that does not carry over into the debate. Let’s keep things in proper context here. The “n” word is a disparaging epithet grounded in racial hatred. It’s ugly and uncalled for. But this example of yours does not adequately capture the larger context of islam’s tyrannical attempt to force its will on others. THAT’S the context your analogy fails to recognize.

This larger context must include the fact that muslims kill, torture, and destroy, any opposing views if given the chance, we see this every day. Looked at within that context, the issue becomes one of principle, a human rights issue. So these cartoons are not for making muslims mad, like you might try and make a black person mad with the “n” word. Instead I see it as a meek assertion of our free speech rights in the face of barbaric tyranny. We aren’t trying to hurt or insult anyone. We are trying to preserve our fundamental rights in the face murderous barbarism. That’s why your analogy fails, it places the issue in a smaller context that fails to appreciate the stupendous ramifications of islamic tyranny.

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  JacktheRipper

“Okay, are we including those getting their throats cut for expressing contrary religious views, or are we in a more narrowly defined context?”

Now you are shifting goalposts. Are we talking about the impact of Islam on America, or are we talking about the collective guilt/blame of all Muslims for the acts of Muslims the world over? Because one we actively have control over and exerts a fundamentally different effect. The other we don’t and doesn’t affect us hardly at all.

I’m sticking with the analogy because the intent is precisely the same in both regards. Racists who wish to denigrate blacks as N888ers have all the free speech in the world to express their hatred, but that doesn’t make those slurs somehow heroic under a freedom of speech banner. Gellar is doing the same thing here with the Draw the Prophet contest. Either she provokes a reaction or she gets to denigrate Muslims. It is win-win for her intents and purposes.

“Muslims kill, torture, and destroy, any opposing views if given the chance”

Really, ALL Muslims do this? White people also kill, torture and destroy those with opposing views when given the chance. Perhaps we should discuss the problem with white people while we are at it, since they happen to populate the earth and this country in far, far greater numbers, not to mention exert a much wider scale of crime and persecution in comparison to Muslims. It isn’t even close, historically or present day.

So yes, you have all the right in the world to promote crass bigotry against a broad populace. What I would like to know is why you see this as reasonable and prudent behavior, deliberately trying to instigate people into violence or at best confirmation of prejudicial hatred. You seem to excuse one form but not the other, a rather tenuous and inconsistent ground to stand on.

JacktheRipper
JacktheRipper
8 years ago

Now you are shifting goalposts. Are we talking about the impact of Islam on America, or are we talking about the collective guilt/blame of all Muslims for the acts of Muslims the world over? Because one we actively have control over and exerts a fundamentally different effect. The other we don’t and doesn’t affect us hardly at all.

We must consider the “collective guilt/blame of all Muslims .” If they kill for freedom of conscience and speech elsewhere and then try to kill us here for cartoons, then I think that’s a link worth making, don’t you? And if all muslims live by the same book that promotes jihad against the believer then is that not a “collective guilt/blame of all Muslims?” And you are wrong in saying that we “actively have control over” some muslims. We don’t have control over anyone, including our own muslims. We count on a spirit of cooperation and good will among our citizens to do the right thing for country and neighbor. Clearly muslims do not want that, in America or the world. They want to dominate for their religion, and that is the “affect” we seek to avoid.

Racists who wish to denigrate blacks as N888ers have all the free speech in the world to express their hatred, but that doesn’t make those slurs somehow heroic under a freedom of speech banner. Gellar is doing the same thing here with the Draw the Prophet contest. Either she provokes a reaction or she gets to denigrate Muslims. It is win-win for her intents and purposes.

Again, you are still trying to cling to that feeble analogy of yours in hopes of degrading the larger issue, and to remove the proper context in which these cartoons should be seen. The very notion that drawing cartoons of a man that history knows as a murderer/torturer/pedophile is somehow degrading to muslims is ludicrous and funny! As if anything could be more degrading than the faith itself! My goodness, that’s what we’re fighting against, this whole idea that islam is worthy of respect, this paradigm of evil that kills anyone that gets in its way. Do you not feel silly making issue of cartoons on behalf of an ideology that has adopted the nazi way of life? Astounding that you so proudly defend their position at the expense of basic human liberty. What are you, anyway?

Really, ALL Muslims do this? White people also kill, torture and destroy those with opposing views when given the chance.

First, I never said ALL muslims kill, I simply said “muslims.” But not all Nazis killed, either. The “moderate” muslims do their fair share by maintaining the the sick teachings and traditions that provide the motive and “moral” support for the actions of the terrorists! I don’t know what you call that, I call it an accessory to murder! Jihad is a fundamental teaching of islam, thousands are dying for it, and millions teach it, support it, or condone it. But for some darn reason you want to draw a line of innocence between those that do the killing and those that only teach it, support it, or condone it. Their is no line of separation, it’s a concerted effort to destroy western civilization for their faith. They are the enemy.

The rest of your post was just ad hominem drivel.

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  JacktheRipper

Yes, let’s consider collective guilt and blame. This is what we have come to know as racism and bigotry, whereby you or others ascribe negative qualities based upon their identity and NOT their individual behavior. So begins the primrose path where we call all Negros ignorant despite ignoring the fact that Negros of the time were DELIBERATELY deprived of the education available to white folks, and still are to this day. Hereby we can also extend into blaming ALL Jews based on the perceived guilt of Jewish bankers in World War II, which of the most delicious irony would require you to also cast Pamela Gellar, a Jew, as GUILTY.

But why bother with those uncomfortable trivialities, when it is far easier to lump a huge populace into a collective “they” regardless of their actual thoughts or actions? Far easier to be lazy. Far more comfortable to rely on prejudicial interpretation and supposition than to actually examine the behavior of the populace as a whole, much less endeavor to understand people as individuals. No, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar is clearly a terrorist. Well, not him, he made money for white people in the NBA, so he’s excused.

You seem intent on ignoring the context of the action of displaying the Prophet. First and foremost, contrary to popular belief, this is not at all a universal dictate of Islam to condemn depictions of religious figures, as indeed many MUSLIMS TODAY have depictions of the Prophet hanging in their homes, in the Middle East, no less. But let’s not allow that to get in the way of good old-fashioned bigotry. Why should the deliberate violation of what is held to be sacred tenets by religious people be perceived as offensive? Why shouldn’t I be able to sh*t on your mother’s grave and then burn her corporeal remains while posting on YouTube as an act of freedom of speech? Because certain acts of offense are so deliberately attacking of a person’s identity, like burning a cross on a lawn, they are a violation of the social contract, the burden of civilization where we are all responsible for living together respectably. Can you draw the Prophet legally? Certainly. Is there any legitimate positive purpose or result derived from such activity? I have yet to find an acceptable answer to this question.

“First, I never said ALL muslims kill, I simply said ‘muslims.'”

Fantastic. Is there really any distinction AT ALL between “all Muslims” and “Muslims”? You denigrate the very identity of being Muslim one and the same.

JacktheRipper
JacktheRipper
8 years ago

Yes, let’s consider collective guilt and blame. This is what we have come to know as racism and bigotry, whereby you or others ascribe negative qualities based upon their identity and NOT their individual behavior. So begins the primrose path where we call all Negros ignorant despite ignoring the fact that Negros of the time were DELIBERATELY deprived of the education available to white folks…

Well, let’s have common sense here, sometimes you do have to “ascribe negative qualities based upon their identity and NOT their individual behavior.” An extreme example, many nazis that murdered Jews at the gas chambers were very loving people in other areas of life. But we don’t dismiss their collective actions as mass murderers because of their “individual behavior,” right? I know you would agree with that one.

Now carry that over to muslims. If what they got going in their mosques, and holy books, and their traditions, supports in some measure the actions of the terrorists, then should we just consider “individual behavior?” of course not, we consider their actions collectively, as supporters of jihad and murder.

But why bother with those uncomfortable trivialities, when it is far easier to lump a huge populace into a collective “they” regardless of their actual thoughts or actions? Far easier to be lazy. Far more comfortable to rely on prejudicial interpretation and supposition than to actually examine the behavior of the populace as a whole, much less endeavor to understand people as individuals

Ironic that you should say that, that I am lumping a “huge populace into a collective “they,” regardless of their actual thoughts or actions. Because that’s precisely what islam does, it ignores the individual, oppresses them, deprives people of their individuality, and imposes a tyrannical system of religious absolutism under pain of death or torture. Amazing that you overlooked that tiny detail in your cartoon judgment of me. We’re not trying to impose ANYTHING! We’re simply trying to sustain our basic human rights. Get over it.

Because certain acts of offense are so deliberately attacking of a person’s identity, like burning a cross on a lawn, they are a violation of the social contract, the burden of civilization where we are all responsible for living together respectably.

Actually your paragraph from which this quote is taken is not half bad, I liked it. And the above snippet seems to capture the essence of what you were trying to say. It makes sense, and I agree with it. So let’s run with that and let me ask, would you not consider murder for religious preference worse than “burning a cross on a lawn?” Would you not consider murder of homosexuals a violation of the “social contract?” Would you not consider the suppression of basic human rights for religious tyranny a hindrance to “living together respectably?”

You see, I am agreeing with your basic premise. But you seem unable to see how you condemn yourself with your own argument.

At this point I’m beginning to tire of you. I took you on initially because you seemed an intelligent challenge. But after reviewing what has been said so far, I find you a big disappointment. If you can come back with something good I’ll continue, else thanks for the amusement.

Demsci
Demsci
8 years ago

//”Either she provokes a reaction or she gets to denigrate Muslims. It is win-win for her intents and purposes.”//

Oh, YES! And that right there, is ALL! What pray did she do wrong? Ah, Denigrating Muslims! But praising, supporting and defending Muslims is also allowed and done a lot! And it is not as if “part of” the Muslims, globally, is not also into DENIGRATION of …. what? Oh, Jews, Westerners, Kuffars, why the denigration, is, proven to be in the very holy texts of Islam!

Either you profess that you are against all “denigration and hate” going, on all sides, realizing you only want “positive reactions” to ALL cultures, groups, ideologies,

Or you admit that Pamela Geller is guilty of no “real crime”, no real “immoral action”.

But whatever you do, judge both sides by the exact same standards, not double standards. And you can hold Geller and us equally to that. You just can;t accuse Pamela Geller or us of using double standards! We give the same rights to all opposition that we use ourselves.

Like that criticism you offered on our own culture? It is well-nigh ubiquitous IN OUR CULTURE. And criticism on own culture? In that I daresay we Westerners are much better than Muslims, on average.

So you reiterating that criticism is quite superfluous and not exonerating Muslims, they should be held to the SAME accountability, the same standards as we are already are so much held.

harbidoll
harbidoll
8 years ago

their god commands them to kill!–“do you love this dirt(life) so much you wont FIGHT? Don’t you know I can torcher you in the grave?’ again we talk about their book!

albeit
albeit
8 years ago

You sound like an over educated liberal progressive nutjob…..

James Malloy Dough
James Malloy Dough
8 years ago

“Now you are shifting goalposts”

Good example of the pot calling the kettle black since you have been “shifting the goalposts” with your irrational, ignorant argument that blames the victim rather than the criminal.

Oh, I guess these barbarian muslim savages cut off heads, murder little children, are conducting genocide on Christians, and all the other heinous acts they do because they are “economically oppressed”.

I suggest you find other work because you suck at being a leftist and muslim shill.

Evening
Evening
8 years ago
Reply to  JacktheRipper

What do you know about the fact? There are many sects in Islam. Some sects even want to destroy another Islam sects. Which muslim are you refering to? You don’t know which one who likes to kill, torture, and destroy. As far as I know, USA army likes to do that while invading other countries, but it doesn’t mean all of Americans agree to that. By addressing all muslims, you hurt many other good people’s feelings.
If the goal is to say no to barbaric tyranny, why don’t just show pictures of war victims or anything else to increase public awareness. Why create another problem by inviting more wars by insulting and hatred?

famouswolf
famouswolf
8 years ago
Reply to  Evening

Grow up and smell the real world, because it smells a lot different than your fantasies.

Demsci
Demsci
8 years ago
Reply to  Evening

//”By addressing all muslims, you hurt many other good people’s feelings”//

Maybe we are addressing all Muslims, but only because, well, being Muslim is not the same as being of one race or the other, it is choosing for a particular religion. Just as you hold us accountable, we can hold Muslims accountable for that choice of religion, can’t we?

And anyway, most of the time we do not brush all Muslims with the same brush, we know their many variations, their multitudes of nice, hospitable people. But we also know a lot about Quran-Hadiths-Sira and some of it is downright against our principles and some of it unclear. and it is also incomplete. It get’s misunderstood and misused a lot.

We see totalitarian violent Muslims, we don’t know who to trust among the Muslims anymore, the other Muslims just deny everything, but never openly choose our side against the enemy Muslims.

Yes we are just against barbaric tyranny, so at least part of the Muslims should openly side with us and declare that “Democracy is HALAL”!

We create another problem as you say, because a huge problem is coming our way, a totalitarian, violent culture, embraced by a great number of Muslims threathens our culture, way of life, ideology. If we do nothing what will happen to us, we frantically ask ourselves.

Evening
Evening
8 years ago
Reply to  Demsci

Why do you think those problems are coming your way anyway? Why not muslims attack China, Thailand, Russia, Africa, Japan, etc? They are all non muslim countries, if you think muslims like to attack non muslims. How do you know so much about Quran? Did you study them, did you learn Arabic? or did you just read from some articles and youtubes from American media and nobodies on the in internet? There are indeed few chapters about history and war (which favorably highligthed by most by media) in the Quran, but there are also far more chapters about living peacefully and in harmony with non muslims in the Quran (which everyone ignores out). If there is no oil in Iraq and middle east countries or Bush never became president, do you think all of these clashes would happen?

Demsci
Demsci
8 years ago
Reply to  Evening

Thanks then for responding, Evening. First of all, I am in it for defending my culture, my democratic ideology, with it’s laws and values.

Not only that, but I think it is perfectly understandabl3 that I like my ideology to spread, be promoted and that it competes well with Islam and other ideologies. But only in a fair non-violent way. And of course I offer Muslims the same rules.

And from at least part of the Muslims there is a threat and a competition to my democratic ideology,

From you now too I/ we hear only denials and emphasis on the peaceful part of Islam. And condemnations from Muslims on ISIS and other radical Muslims do exist, OK.

But because of ISIS, Ayatollahs, Taliban, Boko Haram, Al Shabaab etc, we need more; We need Muslims to say; We are Democratic Muslims! We prefer Good Democratic Kuffars over Bad Totalitarian anti-Democratic Muslims! We fight on the side of democracy against oppressive governments and groups. We say that Democracy is Halal.

If you keep just being neutral, then know that for many Westerners, all these anti-democratic Muslims have destroyed trustworthyness of all neutral Muslims. Because the anti-democratic Muslims use the exact same Holy texts as the neutral Muslims do for their justification.

Give up your neutrality and join us or admit that you can’t and won’t. Give up this endless denial and innocence.

Religion, Islam, that is A CHOICE, not a race. You are accountable for it.

Evening
Evening
8 years ago
Reply to  Demsci

Don’t you know that the largest Muslim country in the world by population (with population more than 200 million) is a democratic country? If it is unheard of, it’s not because they are silent, it’s because the noise from your country is far much noisier and closer to your ears. And yes, their government condemn ISIS too. And yes, the country is peaceful and no civil war or anything. There are also minorities from other religions (christian, catholic, budhist, hindu) that live normally without feeling threatened to be killed.

Demsci
Demsci
8 years ago
Reply to  Evening

You are right about that, and I am grateful for that.

And yet, this is the American standard as well.

Your protest was so unnecessary. America has the same or even better standards than Indonesia. There is no violence against Muslims, they get as well protected as all others, they have all the same rights.

You protest against SPEECH only, you want to spare feelings of innocent Muslims. but all get their feelings hurt from time to time. Muslims get praised as well,just listen to Obama.

Let us agree that we have no elevated expectations of Americans or Muslims and no lowered expectations of Americans or Muslims. Let us agree that democracy is halal, that violence is haram, and that hateful speech from both to both is no problem.

Evening
Evening
8 years ago
Reply to  Demsci

“hateful speech from both to both is no problem”, that *is* the problem. Do you think it’s ok to speak hateful to *all* your neighbors or co workers or friends just because it is a free speech? If one of your vegan friend attacked you because you were having hotdog for lunch, is it ok to openly insult *all* vegetarian people out there? more over, by disgracing their mothers (who taught their kids to be vegan) for example? An attack is a crime and punishable, but insulting all of their mothers is even lower. That illustrates how it would felt for all other good muslims (like those 200 million of people). Tolerance is very important, tolerance doesn’t forbid free speech, tolerance means you know the *proper* way, target, time, and place to express your free speech.

Demsci
Demsci
8 years ago
Reply to  Evening

Evening; the restriction that must be practiced is: Hold Free Speech there where everybody who wants to avoid to hear it, can do so.

So the free speech should be only on TV, Internet, in newspapers, magazines, and meetings by announced speakers. Everybody must be able to zap or walk away, or NOT read an article.

NOT just everywhere, we may not bother people who do not want to listen. So not in the streets. not in private conversations when people object.

Having said that, you, Evening, cannot control the “negative propaganda” all over the world, So also not that “negative propaganda” coming towards us Democratic Citizens from some part of the Muslims, from Islamic governments and groups.

So it is highly unfair, hypocritical, one-sided of you to discourage any negative propaganda you see coming from Pamela Geller towards Muslims. But not that coming towards her, America, Democratic citizens fromMuslims.

Either stop all negative propaganda or none. Either allow all or none. Since you cannot stop, you should allow all.

Only discouraging one side simply is using double standards.

Evening
Evening
8 years ago
Reply to  Demsci

Are you saying it’s fine with you if someone else outside US also want to have a grand art exhibition that mocking US for example? That invites people to come up with ideas to disrespect US flag, US presidents, US citizens, and cartoon about *only* all the *bad* things about US practices, policies, and cultures? in the name of art and free speech? No one will protest? US embassy will not protest?

Evening
Evening
8 years ago
Reply to  Demsci

Another reason why the art exhibition is a bad and stupid idea is: they said they don’t want to be intimidated by muslim terrorists and want to have free speech by doing this public exhibition.
If you are so rich and have 10kg of gold and you want to be free carrying your gold around and don’t want to be feel threatened by thieves, would you walk around with your gold openly in a slum area just to show that you are rich and can do that?
It is called “looking for trouble”. Tolerance means you know the proper way to keep your gold safe and show it only to your close friends in a private party.

harbidoll
harbidoll
8 years ago
Reply to  Evening

we are addressing their holy books by which they live by! I don’t care if they are saints (or think they are), if they are coming to kill, steal & destroy me & mine, or even a stranger, I will try to stop them.

Evening
Evening
8 years ago
Reply to  harbidoll

“I don’t care if they are saints (or think they are), if they are coming to kill, steal & destroy me & mine, or even a stranger, I will try to stop them.” —> this are by the way, also said by those people in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc, against the US army. And they said it first!

Fred Smith
Fred Smith
8 years ago

You should travel to the ME right now and find some Jihadi’s to have this inane philosophical discourse with Law Man!

Paula Coyle
Paula Coyle
8 years ago
Reply to  Fred Smith

They’d quickly convert him.

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
8 years ago
Reply to  Paula Coyle

I think bobamaroon is already one of them.

Demsci
Demsci
8 years ago

Well, there you have it, you look national, we global. You “fail” to see the danger, threat posed that we see. And religious tenets are at the heart of the danger. All this Robert Spencer, Pamela Geller, and countless Muslims have spelled out a millon times, and now? We see the danger to the culture we love and you don’t.

What good comes from “provoking murderers”? It is standing up to them, defending their current and potential victims. Consider us defenders of rights, fighters for rights.

In the past without freedom of speech, tyrants oppressed and stifled opposition, that opposition had no choice of verbal debate and “denigration, hate” which you so want to discourage here. That opposition only had the stark choice of either submitting or fight and then kill. So it can be argued that censorship promotes violence.

Example; Roman Emperors could only be removed by violence if they were faulty or oppressive. By contrast, thanks to freedom of speech, our current political leaders, are only heavily criticized and sometimes forced to retire n favor of more preferred leaders.

There are so many advantages of freedom of speech, and yes, denigration and hate, and yes, there are those who want to limit it, and it is really only a question where we draw the line. If we give in to murderers, it is highly likely some people somewhere will limit freedom more and so be provoked by something else, and kill for that.

IMPACT1
IMPACT1
8 years ago
Reply to  Demsci

Your talking to a brick wall.
Bob is a leftist. If his head is on the ISIS chopping block, he still wouldn’t get it.

If you give CAIR and any Muslim comitted to this group an inch…they will take a mile…

WE are the Only ones who can SEE how the Muslims connected with CAIR…WILL “PLAY” on OUR (P.C.) CULTURE of BLIND ACCEPTANCE…Just like the way “kind” and “Trusting” people used to allow a Stranger into their homes to use “the Phone” only to get Robbed, Murdered, or Raped…

Americans like Bob are truly stupid and niave.

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  IMPACT1

“Bob is a leftist”

Don’t you mean APOSTATE?

famouswolf
famouswolf
8 years ago

Actually perhaps he meant ‘coward’, ‘fool’, ‘traitor’ or perhaps all those…because that is what you are, pretty much like any lefty.
Apostate? I doubt you understand it’s meaning.

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  famouswolf

So I guess in your mind being a leftist means one is subhuman

James Malloy Dough
James Malloy Dough
8 years ago

No, being a leftist does not mean you are subhuman, just suffering from a severe mental disorder.

IMPACT1
IMPACT1
8 years ago

Bob says “I fail to see…”

There is a 2500 lb Elephant in a room…and you Fail to see.

If everything is so wonderful and Islam is so very passive. …and all Moslems want to do is come here an live Peacefully..why do “they” need to have an “organization” and one as LARGE as it is called (CAIR) in America???.

There is no other ‘Religion’ here in America that needs a “relations board” …the ONLY Religions in America, in the 21st Century that has gotten so Viciously attacked is Christians and Jews…. and NOT because Christians and Jews …Kill people because “they” or their religion has been insulted….by A CARTOON!!

Paula Coyle
Paula Coyle
8 years ago

“People still regularly and with abandon insult Islam, Muslims, and draw the Prophet. We’re all still here and we still will be here tomorrow. ”

really? So 9-11 didn’t happen? The Turks didn’t take over Europe and kill a bunch of non Muslim Europeans in the middle ages through the Renaissance (until we infidels started fighting back)? What planet have you been living on?

Here is a list of Islamic terror attacks:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks

That doesn’t include our first foreign war that was against Muslim pirates.

“I fail to see ”
You do indeed.

famouswolf
famouswolf
8 years ago
Reply to  Paula Coyle

Perhaps he sees and approves. Either way he’s not worth getting riled about, imo.
Just a sad, and doomed little man, doomed by his own blind foolishness.

harbidoll
harbidoll
8 years ago

Because in Egypt the muslims routinely burn churches, throw Christians in jail for saying Anything they don’t like & kidnap females & Get Away With It . Dhimmytude is a slow but sure process & we see where it can lead! & how quickly!

empiresentry
empiresentry
8 years ago
Reply to  JacktheRipper

well said, Jack, well said

steiners
steiners
8 years ago

muhammad expected submision or death. he gave no quarter. you are a lying scoundrel.

muslims do not want democracy, it goes against their nderstanding of their belief system. consequently, they have no tolerance for other beliefs. they murder those who will not be silenced.

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  steiners

The Christian God also expects submission or death, and not just death, but torture in eternal hellfire. I guess this should lead me to conclude all Christians are terrorists.

It is the height of arrogance to claim to be able to speak for the sum total of a billion people, much less even one person with much confidence.

The Bull
The Bull
8 years ago

The Christian God does not command his followers to be harsh to or slay unbelievers. If one rejects God then the only alternative is to be separated from him, the source of life. This is death and darkness, but it is self inflicted.

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  The Bull

Absolute and complete Bull, appropriate considering your name. The Christian God slaughtered thousands of innocent women and children in the Bible. He even commanded his followers to do so! The Book of Revelations condemns all who do not bow before God’s demands to an eternal hellfire, literally no different than Islam in any regard. The Christian God can be in equal regards a tyrant if you take the story too literally, and to this day there are living and breathing Christians IN AMERICA who do and openly support theocratic oppression. They also happen to vastly outnumber Muslims here, so I consider them a far greater threat to my life and liberty than anything a Muslim can or has done to me.

albeit
albeit
8 years ago

Get back on your meds and go hide in your closet. Your a complete embarrassment to the human race.. To say that God killed innocent women and children shows your complete lack of insight on understanding who God is and his loving nature. Man you are really bad newsl!!!

famouswolf
famouswolf
8 years ago
Reply to  albeit

Quoted for truth.

Lacouray Too
Lacouray Too
8 years ago

Unlike your ‘book’, the Bible ALWAYS explains itself.
According to the Bible, the people who God ordered destroyed were ‘giants’ and idol worshippers: Goliath was shown as an example.
Almighty God, Jehovah, (not a black stone idol in a wall of the Kaaba named Allah) commanded the Israelites to cleanse the land of the giants and the religion and idol
worship of the giants occupying the land that He had given to them.
They were specifically warned not to take ‘booty’. They were to destroy everything.
These commands were valid until the land was cleansed; unlike the commands for jihad that is for all time against all men
and ALWAYS for booty.

The Bull
The Bull
8 years ago
Reply to  Lacouray Too

Praise God Brother! We’re on the winning side!!!

The Bull
The Bull
8 years ago

Jesus said to love your enemies etc. God did command Old Israel to kill but this was in a particular time and place to a particular people (e.g. Canaanites). In contrast to this the Quran is open ended in that those marked for death/subjugation/poor treatment are simply ‘unbelievers’, ‘Christians’ or ‘Jews’. Gods demand in to believe in Jesus Christ who took hellfire so we wouldn’t have to, but its your choice.

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  The Bull

What Jesus said and what Jesus’s followers do are two very, very different things. As far as I’m concerned, all of Jesus’s followers are apostates from true Christianity itself. Yeah, I went there.

Paula Coyle
Paula Coyle
8 years ago

YOU ARE SO RIGHT.

What bad Christians do and what Jesus told them to do are two different things.

But what peaceful Muslims do and what Mohammed TOLD THEM to do are two different things.

However, since you haven’t demonstrated any coherent understanding of Christianity, you have no idea what apostate means.

Yes, we are still sinners. Which makes us no worse than you.

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  Paula Coyle

The arrogance that you deem to know what Mohammed told Muslims to do represents why Christianity is and should be a declining religion.

Paula Coyle
Paula Coyle
8 years ago

I can read. Can you? Why do you arrogantly assert that I am wrong if you don’t know what is right?

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  Paula Coyle

I don’t claim at all to know what is right regarding an enormously varied broad-based faith, and fact of the matter is, NEITHER SHOULD ANY OF YOU. But, unfortunately, you do, with abandon, to justify persecution of flesh and blood human beings who live in this present world. Nothing I say against Christianity condones persecution of Christians. That is the difference, a difference people like you are intent on ignoring. Motive and action matter, and from what I’ve read, none of your motives are centered around good. They are centered around theocratic oppression against “un-believers”, in this particular instance anyone who happens to be Muslim.

Paula Coyle
Paula Coyle
8 years ago

“NEITHER SHOULD ANY OF YOU.” Well, obviously, if *you* don’t know it, then no one else possibly could.

” Nothing I say against Christianity condones persecution of Christians.”

That’s comforting.

“Motive and action matter, and from what I’ve read, none of your motives are centered around good. ”

I don’t know what that means, to you. You haven’t given us your ten commandments of Bob.

famouswolf
famouswolf
8 years ago
Reply to  Paula Coyle

That’s his problem, really. I guess to him it’s all about the ‘world according to Bob’, and to hell with any higher authority or the truth…especially when it’s inconvenient to the ‘Book of Bob’.
Arrogant little pi**ant, he definitely is.

Demsci
Demsci
8 years ago

We have a culture to defend. then it is our business and right to know the competition and we know it very well, but not perfect, just like you. What can you FORBID us? What can you discourage? We do the normal thing, like we let the Muslims do their normal thing.

There is only INTOLERANCE for INTOLERANCE. But this is not just persecution of human beings; it is holding them accountable for their choices; of religion, of country and loyalty to it or lack thereof. It’s all logical.

You; you just want to protect “hurt feelings” and not much more.As you said “I do not see any danger”, by the same token: “What bodily danger do you see to the Muslims?”

For us; “hurt bodies” and Liberty, defense and promotion of our values, are at stake, even if you don’t believe it.

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  The Bull

It makes no difference whether it occurred in “old times”. It is the same god. He commanded mass slaughters and genocides with abandon yet somehow Christianity gets a pass because => Jesus. Pure intellectual cowardice and mendacity. You worship a homicidal maniac just like Muslims do.

Paula Coyle
Paula Coyle
8 years ago

He did, actually, command Israel to establish a nation in that way. The ones he commanded slaughtered were in fact pagans who did stuff pretty much like ISIS does today, and which continually harassed Israel, much like they do today.

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  Paula Coyle

Exactly. The Christian Yahweh is literally no different than “Caliph” Al-Baghdadi, condemning people as pagans and consigning them to ruthless treatment on account of not submitting to his will. Thanks for proving my point.

Paula Coyle
Paula Coyle
8 years ago

*shrug* the difference is that God will judge rightly. We humans cannot do that.

The other difference is, that God actually loves people and wants them to be saved, so he made that possible. What he hates is sin, because sin destroys us, the ones he loves.

Allah made no way for people to be saved. He just jerks their chain around and makes them run around and kill people out of a desperate attempt to please him. It’s totally evil.

If you want your sin, you can have it, but you can’t have sin and goodness too. Sin *will* destroy you. You can’t love someone without hating what destroys them. Ultimately, you will have what you want, whether it is life or death. God gives the path to life. Allah gives the path to death.

famouswolf
famouswolf
8 years ago
Reply to  Paula Coyle

Quoted for truth, and a truth beautifully stated by you.

The Bull
The Bull
8 years ago

No The Christian Yahweh is God Almighty and Al-Baghdadi is a Christ rejecting warlord. The Christian God is RIGHTEOUS and makes the correct decision every time. Yes at time he has destroyed the evil and unrighteous (Noahs Flood etc), but his mercies are new every morning. He does not rejoice at the destruction of the wicked.

Demsci
Demsci
8 years ago

There is the principle of “being innocent until proven guilty”. But there is also the principle of right of self-defense. We claim and you deny that there is a threat and a danger to vital parts of our culture, principles, coming from a part of the Muslims, a very religion-conscious part. It is pointed out over and over, but ignored, denied by you.

You don;t see the danger, but we act because of it and also because of fair competition between cultures. Fair because both sides may use the same means as far as we are concerned. And both sides are to be held equally accountable.

In the context of danger it is grave negligence of duty to ignore the danger until guilt of the suspect is proven, because by then he/ she may well have struck.

But our defense still, as yet, is, as much as possible, limited to verbal, pictorial denigration, totally legal, for both sides, not just ours.

And it is important to note that Muslims at all times can AVOID AND IGNORE our websites, articles, tv-broadcasts and exhibitions, we don’t bother Muslims unavoidably on the streets or the workplaces or homes with them. We give ample room for opposite relations with them. There is ample praise, defense, support for Muslims also.

So your protection of Muslims, is totally unnecessary. And you are in a global context TOTALLY unable to protect the rights of Non-Muslims under Muslim rule

and it is very unreasonably of you to only discourage the one side so vehemently and not the other side,

especially when your protection is so unnecessary, as Muslims have all the exact same rights (including denigrating of non-Muslims and their beliefs) as all the rest.

IMPACT1
IMPACT1
8 years ago

Christains and Radical Islam – the Koran – and Sharia Law are at Polar opposites here, on Earth, in the 21st CENTURY….Bob.

Islam and the West DO NOT MIX.

And you are pretty ignorant to think for one moment that ISLAM is a “Religion” …

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  IMPACT1

They aren’t polar opposites in any way, shape or form. Fundamentalist Christianity and Islam share enormous commonalities:
-abhorrence of homosexuality
-rejection of abortion
-subjugation of women as subservient to men
-blind fealty to millennia old religious texts written BY MEN
-demand that there is only one true god, THEIR god
-obsession with sexual behavior in and out of marriage

I could go on, but why bother. You won’t listen. You never listen. You are exactly the same as an Islamic terrorist, and what hurts the most is YOU KNOW IT.

Paula Coyle
Paula Coyle
8 years ago

Islam just redefines homosexuality. They have rules for what to do with goats that have been violated and it doesn’t necessarily include punishment of the human. (unless it’s a woman I suppose)
rejection of abortion… why do you suppose we should care about life? I mean… if people kill innocent human beings what’s the big deal right?
Christianity doesn’t actually subjugate women.

I do find it funny that you seem to have this self righteous moral indignation about a lot of things. Is there some ten commandments you have in your mind that we are all not supposed to violate? Please enlighten us as to how we ought to behave so that we can escape your wrath and derision.

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  Paula Coyle

Fundamentalist Christianity subjugates women in a number of ways, most importantly in the deprivation of their right to control their own reproduction as you state in your “respect for life”. Let’s be brutally honest here: if you “respected life”, you would raise the child personally. What you “respect” is forcing women to bear children. You could give a rip about those babies you will never once pay a dime for or spend a single minute caring for. If you cared, you would adopt them personally, and you don’t.

I’m frankly fascinated Christians take offense at others harboring moral values, as if they and they alone are the sole individuals with a right to form their own beliefs. I’d be happy to offer an opinion on any topic you mention but what I categorically reject is anyone trying to deprive me of my freedom of conscience to the degree that I have a constitutional unalienable right to form and promote my morality.

famouswolf
famouswolf
8 years ago
Reply to  IMPACT1

More truth…more garlic to Bob.

Paula Coyle
Paula Coyle
8 years ago

Well then why are you speaking for so many? You dont’ even represent Christianity right, and it’s probably far easier for you to get your hands on decent teaching materials.

Here, I’ll get you started. Go to
http://www.aomin.org/aoblog/index.php/webcast/

He has plenty of resources and scholarly material on Islam, Mormonism, Jehovah’s witnesses, homosexuality, atheism, as well as being a brilliant debater and apologist for Christianity. If you want to learn to debate, you should study your opponent’s best arguments. And he would be the source for that for you.

Commieobamie
Commieobamie
8 years ago

OK. The fairy moon god allah humped his islamo moslim puppet moHOGmad and pig shiite was created. Together the two faggots started humping farm animals to increase their ranks just like the 2000 pigs LEGION was cast into. Now the pedophile anal enlarging faggot moslims hump each other and have created the largest cesspool clog the world has ever known. islam the cult of Satan and Death, the culture of dung raping SLIME. See. I can be as civilized as an islamo moslim like you.

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  Commieobamie

Yeah, that was a real civilized comment O.o

Fred Smith
Fred Smith
8 years ago

Muslims have been and are, dehumanizing themselves without needing the support or help of anyone but their fellow Muslims. The followers of a maniacal Arab warlord have long ago shown their true colors. Your nonsensical ramblings are amusing!

albeit
albeit
8 years ago

You are part of the problem not Pamela or her guests. Somehow you can’t get it through your brainwashed head on how Islam slowly takes over a society. Islam is very wicked and completely evil with no truth in it whatsoever. Gods Word here on earth is being threatened and the believers need to stand up and defend TRUTH. Meanwhile you’ll have your head served on a platter in some friendly neighborhood mosque…

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  albeit

Which God is it that you speak of? I take it you desire a full takeover of Christian theology in America. Sounds a bit like….a jihad, does it not?

Paula Coyle
Paula Coyle
8 years ago

You make a lot of assumptions, grasshopper.

Yes, there are Christians who desire that. But that is not what Jesus taught. If you had any idea what you were talking about, you would know this is a very contentious division among Christians, and most of us consider a political kingdom established by us mere humans to NOT be what the mission of Christ is about. But maybe you should shut up and go do some research before you try to enlighten us more with your faulty facts.

Christ will come, without our permission, at the time he has appointed, and all those who do not believe in him WILL be destroyed. That is what he promised. It will not be our doing. We cannot stop or delay it or make it happen sooner. Until that day all we can do is tell people that he also offers forgiveness through faith in the blood he freely shed on the cross at the hands of evil men, so that you do not have to be destroyed.

Good works and more and more departing from sinful behaviors should be done by Christians. Not to earn God’s favor – but because we are thankful for his forgiveness and favor already bestowed on us.

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  Paula Coyle

I’m well aware this is not at all the universal belief of Christianity. Where people like the followers of this blog and I differ greatly is I don’t condemn ALL CHRISTIANS by virtue of the worst acts of their believers. You will never, ever see the same charitable and rational attitude exhibited here towards Muslims. It is either they are all evil or they are all potentially evil. There is no ifs, ands or buts.

The true cowardice is for fundamentalist Christians to see Islamic terrorism as a means to achieve POWER and influence by means of zero sum calculus. You seem to believe if you can insult Islam enough it will equate to an improvement of terms for your ends. It won’t work. You will literally have to shoot me in the head before you convert me by virtue of insulting Islam, so on that front, I don’t see you as “Christian” or godly in the slightest. I see you as pagan apostates who only worship yourselves and nothing more.

You don’t do good works when you condemn an entire populace on the basis of the actions of a few. You are committing an unspeakable evil on the same level as the Nazis, and for that, I relish the day you are inevitably condemned to hell until you repent and recognize the inherent dignity of all humankind, not JUST CHRISTIANS.

Until then, I spit on your Christ.

Paula Coyle
Paula Coyle
8 years ago

“I’m well aware this is not at all the universal belief of Christianity. Where people like the followers of this blog and I differ greatly is I don’t condemn ALL CHRISTIANS by virtue of the worst acts of their believers.”

In spite of the fact that you have done just that here repeatedly. No wonder you apologize for Islam.

“Until then, I spit on your Christ.”

Many have. That day when they spit on him, he prayed “Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.”

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  Paula Coyle

I spit on YOUR Christ. You are not in any way, shape or form representative of Christ the Messiah, and with your steadfast embrace of hatred for others who believe differently than you, the breath of the Spirit will never enter you. God willing, I say.

Hellfire was always meant as a metaphor for suffering. The rich, delicious irony is in all your desire for seeking out enemies to hate, you are creating your own hellfire as we speak on this mortal coil. What comes after is irrelevant so long as you seek to literally create hell on earth through your living days.

You need a hug.

Paula Coyle
Paula Coyle
8 years ago

You’re right, I am not Christ. And thank God for that. If I was representative of what Christ is, we’d all be in big trouble.

That’s why I need him, not a hug, but those are good too.

And so do you. 🙂 Peace, Bob. I gotta sleep. It’s been enlightening, I think…

(I used ‘hellfire’ because it seemed a more commonly understood Muslim term for it, for any of the Muslim lurkers out there. But perhaps I was mistaken.)

famouswolf
famouswolf
8 years ago
Reply to  Paula Coyle

He’s making his own bed, Paula, and there is not a thing we can say to dissuade him.
Sad, it’s always sad.

empiresentry
empiresentry
8 years ago

bwa hahahaha he went over the edge!!!

harbidoll
harbidoll
8 years ago

again, we are discussing the holy books,& their prophet , not people. But we can judge individuals by their actions, just as Yshua will. “I was hungry & you fed Me, I was naked & you clothed Me”. Don’t judge Yshua be people. He is sinless.

The Bull
The Bull
8 years ago

Christ is a prophet to you, yes? You spit on Christ who saved the entire world including you, by dying an agonizing death? Who are you?

We don’t condemn an entire populace. We condemn the ideology that underpins them (Quran) and respectfully plead with them to see the error and get out before they are judged and condemned.

harbidoll
harbidoll
8 years ago

We are told to teach the word, not enforce it on a peoples! that’s the difference. freedon of choice!!!

Demsci
Demsci
8 years ago

//”Truth of the matter is no one’s freedom of speech is under threat by Islam or Muslims in general.”//

But freedom of speech IS already being suppressed in Islamic countries. And yes, we look global, not just national. And yes, It is often Muslims themselves that do say that “Islam” in part is in conflict with some democratic laws, principles, values”, especially freedom of speech. And countless times the relevant texts are shown.

And if there are different interpretations of the Islamic holy texts, as you do admit, when you describe “great variety in Islam”, that only shows how multi-intepretable and thus unclear and faulty these holy texts really are, at least for some independent observers.

And following a religion is a choice, it is not an accident of birth. And following “holy texts” that are so easily extensively quoted, by such zealous, therefore mostly knowledgeable, co-religionists as those of ISIS, Taliban, Ayatollahs’ and used in such a totalitarian, anti-Democratic, anti-Western, violent way.

Well, that IS a responsibility of a Muslim. And Muslims are to be held just as accountable for his/ her choices as you seem to hold Westerners for their choices. No different expectations please!

IMPACT1
IMPACT1
8 years ago

“Your right to express yourself is not an unassaliable right…..”

What the hell are you saying here BOB??

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  IMPACT1

Should I put it in more sim-plis-tic terms, professor?

Paula Coyle
Paula Coyle
8 years ago

No, it’s just that you should stop blathering your nonsensical dhimmitude. That might help.

Sickofliberallies
Sickofliberallies
8 years ago
Reply to  IMPACT1

He is quoting some MSNBC moron in this statement..I heard these exact words last night on a recap. More apologist B/S of blaming the victim.

Paula Coyle
Paula Coyle
8 years ago

“Whether you have such a right to deliberately insult and denigrate others does not speak to whether it is wise to do so for no other purpose other than to express hate. What do you accomplish by deliberately insulting a somewhat sacred tenet of Islam?”

Free speech. It also brings the cockroaches out into the light. There are two less of them now.

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  Paula Coyle

I guess you’ll cheer my free speech to call you a cvunt

Paula Coyle
Paula Coyle
8 years ago

If you like. It just makes you look like… well, you know. More like you have already demonstrated.

So how does this prove your lack of religion is better than Christianity again? Dont’ get me wrong, you’re free to call me whatever you want.

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  Paula Coyle

I’m just wondering how far this cheering of “freedom of speech” goes, whether I get to be championed as a white knight of freedom for calling you horrible names even when this blog censors me. Will you be there to defend me? It is a sure thing you will not.

By the same token, how does it make Pamela Gellar to rest her freedom of speech claims on deliberately insulting others as I did to you? If I am expected to cheer her by virtue of deliberately provoking a negative reaction, why shouldn’t you cheer me the same way when I insult you to your face? Isn’t this what you expect of Muslims?

Really curious to read your responses to these questions, as well as respond to your own.

Demsci
Demsci
8 years ago

Now you do go to the heart of the matter. Yes, freedom of speech goes both ways! THAT is at the heart of what we defend. We have no holy prophet that dislikers of him cannot depict! We accept the greatest amount of vitriolic name-calling that you can possibly imagine in our culture.

It is THIS allowing of opposition. we practice where MANY Muslims fail, if we consider where they do have the power. Even if Pamela deletes you now, you still cannot argue with that aspect of our culture, which she too, defends.

We expect not one iota more from Muslims than from ourselves. But we do expect YOU to hold Muslims not one iota less responsible for their choices, as you hold us for our choices.

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  Demsci

The difference between you and I is I hold the attackers responsible, while you seek to use this as an excuse to condemn all Muslims, including the hundreds of thousands who not only didn’t attack but didn’t even show up to protest. The difference between you and I is I will recognize the dozens of Muslim leaders who condemned the attacks and even went so far as to support Gellar’s right to hate speech. The sad fundamental truth is even if I posted their quotes here you would ignore them, deliberately. In other words, you choose to LIE to protect your prejudicial beliefs. I choose to embrace the truth. This is what separates moral people. You are not a moral person so long as you behave this way.

Demsci
Demsci
8 years ago

The voices of protest, condemnation, of Muslims against attacking Muslims. The many Muslims who condemned ISIS, Al Qaida and their deeds. There were many of those, there was a vast majority that was not involved and innocent. Duly noted.

Now, what is it that Pamela Geller, Geert Wilders and we did and do that upsets you?! You keep saying we sort of are “painting ALL Muslims with the same brush”. We ignore the “good Muslims”.

While you then ignore the “Bad Muslims” Bad in relation to our governmental system and values.

While we only point out what not only Quran-Hadiths-Sira SAY, which is in contradiction to our own culture-ideology. We also point out, ad nauseam, what Muslim leaders and followers themselves, declare. Which is in contradiction with our own culture/ ideology. Muslims choose these texts, if not these leaders (they chose over us, if the choice is between them and us). Choices begets accountability.

At best that means that you only defend a part of the Muslims, the part that is inactive, denying, tepid, perhaps ignorant of their own religion.

And WHY?? Was there ever discrimination under the law to them? No. you are just worried about their feelings being hurt!!!

This despite pres. Obama respecting and praising them, countless Westerners with him. But that or either being totally silent about Islam is all your censorship would allow if you had the power? The positive and negative are in balance!

Your defense is not warranted,there are no victims that not themselves victimize others in the same way. Their rights and bodies are safe, just not their feelings. and they can AVOID our voices!

empiresentry
empiresentry
8 years ago

the Short Skirt Defense. It didn’t work in the 1970’s. It was an insult then as it is hearing it all over again from a dime a post blogger.

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  empiresentry

This isn’t even within ten leagues of wearing a “short skirt”. The appropriate analogy is Gellar posting a “Come rape me because my brother raped your mother” sign.

empiresentry
empiresentry
8 years ago

not even.

empiresentry
empiresentry
8 years ago

See? there ya go. What right do you have supporting a Christ in Piss happily paraded round by leftists like you? Or a live installation of Mary rubbing on a cross?
Since you object to what you call dehumanization of one group, you surely support the same for all groups…of course, if you had any principal. I strongly suspect you don’t and are a hypocrite.

harbidoll
harbidoll
8 years ago

you mean like “kill the infidel wherever you find him?? now where have we heard that before? Oh ya, every Mosque in the world!! That doesn’t scare us, it just makes us angry!

James Malloy Dough
James Malloy Dough
8 years ago

So, I see you are another one who blames the victim instead of the criminals.

I bet you have even used that argument to defend rapists, that the girl had not coming because she was wearing a mini-skirt.

You say, “Truth of the matter is no one’s freedom of speech is under threat by Islam or Muslims in general.”

Well, that proves you know nothing of Islam, so, as a confirmed moron at best or deliberate misinformation liar, you have no credibility whatsoever.

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
8 years ago

A victimhood defense. Us poor widdle musswein are so persecuted we slaughter and persecute people of other faiths all over the izlamic world and even outside of it.

IMPACT1
IMPACT1
8 years ago
Reply to  JacktheRipper

I really like what you said…” WE have a fabulous….”

That is so true…If only people like Bob Loblaw….could understand what it TRULY MEANS.

People are so STUCK in the ideology that America is to BLAME for the World’s Woes…When America has PROVIDED MORE HELP and Generosity to MORE COUNTRIES than ALL THE COUNTRIES OF THE WORLD COMBINED.

JacktheRipper
JacktheRipper
8 years ago
Reply to  IMPACT1

Yes, thank you for pointing that out, we ARE a compassionate nation. We are flawed as all nations are, but I’m proud of our fundamental principles of life and the good work we’ve done for others. Hell, we give billions to muslim nations and they hate our guts. We’ve made mistakes, but we’ve been a good neighbor too.

empiresentry
empiresentry
8 years ago
Reply to  IMPACT1

As Americans, our freedoms and rights held by the individual (not government),, has lifted billions out of poverty and advanced all nations.

Unlike other nations, those rights that We have
are not:
-given to us by some Monarchy selected by a God,
-a totalitarian state that dictates the state comes first,
-a dictatorship that claims the right over us
-a theocracy that claims rights over us based on their god
– a liberal socialist utopia that claims elites know better than us the individual but then peddles ‘everyone is equal’.

Taking loosely from DSousa, those governments only grew by TAKING from others from wars. Our freedom of the individual liberated millions and we took nothing except our dead.

famouswolf
famouswolf
8 years ago
Reply to  JacktheRipper

VERY good post, spot on.

Demsci
Demsci
8 years ago

In response, I like to say Pamela Geller stands FOR something, a culture, our culture, freedom of speech and so much more. And for DEFENDING that culture very couragely and with the weapons of that culture in a non-violent way.

For me yes, there is a threat to this culture and also, it is only logical that cultures compete for adherents by not only promoting their own culture, but also verbally, non-violently attacking, denigrating the other culture.

It is important to see the context; these non-violent attacks are coming from BOTH SIDES, not just ours. We contend though, that “our side” does not use violence, but “part of” the other side does.

And we think the line should be drawn at using violence. Not at verbal attacks. And if you ARE against verbal attacks like you show here, you should be against all of them, not just the ones from “our side”. But you can’t stop the other side, so you should not try to stop our side. Just draw the line where violence begins, not where you think “hate, hurt feelings” are a problem.

It seems it is better to ALLOW BOTH SIDES to verbally, non-violently attack each other, better than to try to stop, discourage both. But it is the height of prejudice and hypocrisy if you only try to stop the one, perhaps because of heightened expectations, and condone the other, perhaps because of lowered expectations.

And while you hold “our side” clearly accountable, also hold accountable those on the Islamic side in totally equal measure, because you seem to be zeroing in one side (ours) only.

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  Demsci

Pamela Gellar stands for nothing but enriching herself off of the bigotry of others like yourself, and you dupes fall for it every single time because nothing excites you more than Fear of the Other.

Since 9/11, I cannot name a single way I have been forced to submit to Islamic Law in any way, shape or form. I cannot name a single individual who has been forced to submit either, nor do I suspect you can. So in what way is our culture under threat by Islam? How on earth are we at risk of a takeover by a group who comprises barely 1% of our populace? It ain’t going to happen.

What I stand against are deliberate attempts to denigrate an entire culture for the sole purpose of subjugating them to our will, and that is exactly what Gellar and her fans wish to do. Why? I’ll leave that up to the interpretation of the psychologists.

Fascinating you see this as a clash between sides. What is the “other side” in this fight? Christians? All non-Muslims? Well, I’m not a Muslim or a Christian, but you can count me out in your JIHAD against Islam. And I’m an American, F yeah.

albeit
albeit
8 years ago

Its Muslim sympathizes like you that gives Muslims free reign to instill sharia law of the law of the land on this country!!! When it finally does affect you it will be to late to make a difference to change things back to the way of life we currently enjoy!!! Little do you know that Islam are the legs of iron in Nebancannezzar statue in the book of Daniel.. Read up on it and learn a thing or two and stop your pointless dribble!!!

Demsci
Demsci
8 years ago

Yes, to me that is KEY; 2 sides, and our culture, ideology defending itself. But also in a fair way, competing for adherents, now and in future.

So on the one hand you don’t see that “Democratic Ideological Side” much.Let alone see danger to it (which you eloquently explained).

And on the other hand you perceive an “injustice” done to Muslims, who perhaps you think are innocent of it themselves, or are doing it, but are to be held at lower standards than Pamela Geller and friends.

But you are wrong, we fully expect both “hate, denigration” AND love & support for the other side from both sides. It is legal, normal, logical.

“Denigration” is what all do. It is very specific. Democratic ideology is explained and texts, declarations and behavior of Muslims that goes against that are explained in detail. We draw the line at violence. Many Muslims do cross that line, even the majority does not. But none of us does it.

And being Muslim is a choice. And so yes, perhaps all Muslims should be held accountable. Totalitarian, anti-Democratic interpretations of parts of Quran-Hadiths-Sira do exist. And we should not ignore them for unnecessary reasons like sparing their feelings (do they spare ours always?).

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
8 years ago

Nazis were, at one point, only 1% of the German populous.

SCREW SOCIALISM
SCREW SOCIALISM
8 years ago

What’s “progressive” about siding with Islamofascists?

What’s “progressive” about hanging gay teens, stoning girls to death over “family honor”, shooting girls in the head for the audacity of wanting an education, beheading captives and uploading the video to the Internet?

How do you explain the Red/Green (Socialist/Islamist) Axis of Evil?

What value do they share?

What are their differences?

Demsci
Demsci
8 years ago

//”Now we have to go about denigrating their basic humanity”//

Pamela was denigrating something. But see the context. It was her right, the right you acknowledge, the right she admits all have. While a part of Muslims deny that same right and are prepared to suppress it with violence.

She did it for good reasons, which she explains; freedom of speech is under attack by Muslims, this is explained. She is not only “denigrating”, she is defending a well explained concept that to her and us is totally sacred. And yes, a part of the Muslims wants to take that aways where they can and when they can.

She defends something REALLY worthwhile, which REALLY IS under attack and begrudged by part of Muslims, and that IS DUE to their ideology centered on Quran-Hadiths-Sira. And that is CONFIRMED, countless times by part of the Muslims themselves.

If you have to respect the Muslims, do it by also respecting the declarations of many of their own most respected guidelines and leaders on the subject of freedom of speech and their limits on it, and professing to prefer those over our culture, our values, with it’s much bigger freedom and tolerance. But do not DENY so much of what Islam’s own guidelines and leaders declare! Even if only in part, but in big proven parts!

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  Demsci

I am not convinced in the slightest any of you are as supportive of freedom of speech as you claim. For instance, I would wager a good solid 75% of pamelagellar.com readers would support a ban on flag burning, despite the fact it is an act which A. harms no one, B. insults no group of individuals, and C. is constitutionally protected free speech.

[Edit] I would also love to do a poll here on the right to publish pornography, another fascinating free speech issue as exposed by Larry Flynt.

Demsci
Demsci
8 years ago

Flag burning is totally ok with me, permissible in democratic society, we let it happen al the time. I don’t know but I think that goes for a majority of Pam’s readers.

JacktheRipper
JacktheRipper
8 years ago

You seem to want to cloud this debate with these tangential issues. We aren’t here for flag burning or pornography, as important as those issues are. This debate is about islam’s murderous, tyrannical system of belief. There’s nothing difficult about this, islam is fundamentally wrong and on so many levels. That part has been decided already by rational, moral people. Any reilgious system that deprives humanity of its fundamental right to life or its basic liberties, is evil. Islam’s sharia is contrary to American law and values, and we reject it. And those insane muslims that think they can impose their sharia on our free citizens have no moral or legal vantage, only brute force. And we don’t have to respect that. Every nation as a right to defend itself from bullies, tyrants, and conquerors.

So stop embarrassing yourself by defending an ideology that all sane people know as an egregious violator of human rights and the cause of so much of the world’s misery.

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  JacktheRipper

You mean you don’t have the courage to define your values more specifically as it pertains to other people. Shame really. In that since, I’m done arguing with you as I have no patience or tolerance for cowards. When you have the courage to respond, you let me know. Until then, have a great night.

Lacouray Too
Lacouray Too
8 years ago

What do you think would be the mooslem reaction to burning some isis flags, Bob?
Your arguments are as stupid, and insipid as anjem choudray’s.

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
8 years ago

Would you support a ban on Quran burning?

Paula Coyle
Paula Coyle
8 years ago

Oh my… the delusion is strong with this one.

Paula Coyle
Paula Coyle
8 years ago

Dude… just tell me how America’s or even Europe’s behavior started the Islamic takeover of Europe in the 700-1000’s AD. I’ll wait.

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  Paula Coyle

I’m sure centuries of European encroachment on the Near East prior to that time never factored once into your historical analysis. Jesus Christ himself was crucified not by a Muslim but a European Roman, with full consent of the Jews themselves at the time (if you follow the mythology).

Don’t for once pretend Christians, Jews, Europeans or whites are at all guiltless in this pointless conflict between the Abrahamic faiths, or else you have condemned yourself as a liar and an amoral ignorant coward.

Paula Coyle
Paula Coyle
8 years ago

“I’m sure centuries of European encroachment ” Sure, under a mostly pagan Roman Emperor until Constantine (who may or may not have been a Christian or just recognized that it was a political advantage at the time to make Christianity legal).

Who is pretending anyone is guiltless?

Jesus was crucified by everyone. Jews and Gentiles. I would have been part of it had I been there, I am sure, because I am a sinner too.

Silly question but… do you think lying is wrong?

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  Paula Coyle

I’d suspect you would be a part of it today.

Do I think lying is wrong? Yes.

Demsci
Demsci
8 years ago

I concede that point, consent to that then. None are innocent, all are to blame. But finally, now, we have reached a good governmental system, and see it threathened, how are we to defend our system? You do allow us to do that, don’t you?

empiresentry
empiresentry
8 years ago

Bob, Anyone who finds your posts unseemly should have you permanently blocked from the internet.

This includes claiming discrimination…based on what and to whom.

This includes your amazing lack of any comprehension about fact or history with statements that look like a direct cut and past our of leftists dribble propaganda.

I always laugh at your vain attempt to claim millions of innocents slaughtered….and yet that would include the sum of all wars, dictatorships and tribal attacks even before we came along. Halabja ring a bell? Or perhaps Iran invading Iraq?

But no mention of Bush liberating millions in Iraq (who are also Muslims) No mention of helping the Kurds. NO mention of protecting Muslims in Kosovo or Afghanistan or Yemen. NO mention that NOW Muslims are asking for help from Boooosh.

Bush had it right: protect the dignity and freedom of all peoples. For us who live here its the U.S. Constitution and key values we defend. If you are offended by cartoons, then don’t go to the show. If you are offended by women in bathing suits, don’t go to the beach.
And finally, your whine about military apartheid is a sad joke. See my avatar? Go complain why France, Canada or Mexico do not let you vote or live in their country

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  empiresentry

“Anyone who finds your posts unseemly should have you permanently blocked from the internet.”

I don’t really have anything to add and I didn’t even read the rest of your comment. The hearty chuckles this deliciously ironic statement delivered, a guy demanding permanent censorship on a post claiming to be a defense for, wait for it, FREEDOM OF SPEECH, I feel like I’m falling into another dimension due to the humor on so many levels. Stephen Hawking would summarily explode from reading this meta-hypocrisy. You must be a parody of yourself. Seriously, your family must have named you Meta. You probably didn’t even get half the jokes I posted here.

In Soviet Union, Iron curtains you!

empiresentry
empiresentry
8 years ago

After all that blather, the last line is indicating you are FINALLY inching closer to what EVERYONE has spent hours explain to you.
Jit, the rest of your post was senseless. The final line was the point.

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  empiresentry

Seriously, though, your name is empiresentry. Do you really see the U.S. as an empire, and do you feel your actions are really those of a sentry should you view that to be the case? You have set up quite a Dungeons & Dragons character for yourself.

empiresentry
empiresentry
8 years ago

stick it if all you can comment on is my name, Bobs a lot Above the Law. LOLOL
Since you are all about being sensitive, when do you want all paintings of naked humans removed from museums, banning of dog walking on public streets, women wearing sleeveless shirts and no girls in school? Because a lot of people you defend that like to take our freedom away demand those things.

harbidoll
harbidoll
8 years ago

a Caliphate, which All muslims want is by definition a Dictatorship!! Who rules with the advise & consent of his “brilliant” Mullahs (Koran experts,& the Sharia)!. They are & have been IN the past ruling over Vast amount of land in the west & are on the verge of doing so Again in almost All western countries!! You talk about decades??? Im talking about Thousands of years.!!

No Fear
No Fear
8 years ago

What about Islam causing the death of more people (>200m) than any other ideology in history? That is irrelevant?
Islam has easily outkilled all other belief systems in the past 1400 years.

Commieobamie
Commieobamie
8 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Mission Accomplished.

IMPACT1
IMPACT1
8 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Actually, if you listen to a Muslim try to explain Sharia Law….it Sounds exactly like the dysfunctional and EXTREM E LEFT Ideology….The interpretation depends on “the” Agenda and WHO is interpreting it “at the moment” ….It’s no wonder the Left likes and “understands” them so much …

THEY ARE BOTH SO ADAPT AT
Contradicting themselves….and their “views”…

Jason Westerly
Jason Westerly
8 years ago
Reply to  IMPACT1

Actually fundamentalist and radical Islam is a conservative movement. It is a call to return to the fundamentals of Islam as they see them, a return to tradition. This is conservatism at its most pure. The extreme left is usually a proponent of atheism and communism, not religious fundamentalism. So, your attempt to turn them into leftists is uneducated, stupid, and quite insane. It’s like calling Pat Robertson an extreme leftist.

harbidoll
harbidoll
8 years ago
Reply to  Guest

it was given to him by an angel (fallen?) NOT by G-d .either way it was 3/rd person written.

harbidoll
harbidoll
8 years ago
Reply to  harbidoll

“out of the mouth of 2 or 3 witnesses “is OUR standard bar. Not 1 angel.

whoboy
whoboy
8 years ago

I love Texas and am so glad I live there. Good shooting. Don’t read them any rights except their LAST rights, from a Bible.

Ghost
Ghost
8 years ago

yeeeeah baby

Ghost
Ghost
8 years ago
Reply to  Ghost

Another “Ghost”–not me. But I don’t have a problem with it.

Ghost
Ghost
8 years ago
Reply to  Ghost

I honor Victor Laszlo, a Man of Stature, Leader of Men, dignified with High Standards and Timeless Values, fearless, lover of Freedom who inspired allegiance and attracted a loyal following with his sterling example of courage and achievement.
His presence and leadership at Rick’s Cafè Americain, sticking it to the Nazis (“Play La Marseillaise, Play it!”) created a mini-rebellion which sets the story in motion. (there is no story without it)

at first meeting with Rick Blaine,
Victor Laszlo: “Thank You, I try.”
Rick Blaine: “We all try, You SUCCEED!”

without the character of Victor Laszlo, “Casablanca” is just another dated, forgettable love story. His last line, to Rick, “Welcome back to the Fight, this time I know our side will win” is the crux of the movie-
and the inspiration for a, “suffering humanity” to persevere in WWII.

forget the phony, “romance”, Rick didn’t have a choice at the end.


IMPACT1
IMPACT1
8 years ago
Reply to  Ghost

Great Art Work…Love it!!

peter kropotkin
peter kropotkin
8 years ago

That you still defend this event, and see it as a success, shows you are just as depraved as the jihadists. Islam represents zero threat to US freedom of speech. It’s just that some people aren’t egoists, and care about other lives as much as their own. They choose to not offend those that might respond with violence, for the safety of everyone. And that you knew their was a chance of this happening, and that the police were willing to put their lives on the line for a cartoon event, absolutely blows my mind. It almost feels like this is what you wanted. I just hope that no one else is harmed due to your self righteousness.

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago

It is absolutely what she wanted, and I’d wager she’ll do it again and again hoping to rack up an actual body count. She is an extremely sick and deranged woman.

Roger
Roger
8 years ago

que sera, sera, Bob,
dead terrorists … good riddance :-

Lacouray Too
Lacouray Too
8 years ago

She isn’t sick and deranged. She’s warning the world about the sick and deranged.
You’re playing smart with foolishness.
If there is a body count it’s because the sick and deranged turned up.

Cate
Cate
8 years ago

Sure thing – go ahead keep on bending over. You are self-imposing sharia law on yourself. You are so full of it – caring about others? BS on you. You are a craven coward.

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  Cate

I can’t speak for Mr. kropotkin, but I struggle to understand how standing up in defense of civil respect and tolerance is seen as “bending over for self-imposed sharia” by so many conservatives. Do I have a right to draw a picture of Muhammad or insult Islam? Yes. The real question is why would I want to, plus why anyone else would either.

Ghost
Ghost
8 years ago

Well “Bob” Mohammed–its just that we oppose actions Moslems take against:

Women
Children
People of other beliefs

And we stand against and expose:

What the Koran says to do
Belief in a Arab moon god

Other than that, believe whatever you want. Tolerance is not the same as accepting. Since you are a Moslem, why is it that you never question anything.!its because you are taught NOT to think for yourself. You are taught to submit. You are a slave to a false god andva phony gangster prophet. Mohammed was essentially a pirate, a robber. He had sex with his own son’s wife. He was a pathetic violent gang leader who killed anyone who didn’t bend over.

If you want to go with it, that’s your business, but it’s our business to defend against gangsterism and crime masquerading as a religion. And if it’s an actual religion, then we can talk about it, make fun of it, etc.

Islam is the most intolerant religion on earth. Truth.

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  Ghost

Except the problem is those persecuting acts of violence are not at all supported by mainstream Islam, but you blame nonviolent peaceful Muslims anyway as if they are responsible for those acts. That is pure bigotry, plain and simple, and a threat to the equal rights and liberty of all.

So what you are essentially saying is Muslims have no freedom of religion. I wonder what other groups of people you wish to strip of their rights and liberty.

Ghost
Ghost
8 years ago

Cartoons critiquing what you claim to be an aberration of your Islamic faith DO NOT strip people of their rights and liberty silly one. Get real.

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  Ghost

First off, let’s cut to the chase. It isn’t my faith, and it is even sillier for you to assume that.

Secondly, in so far as people use these types of insults against group identities, they do indeed threaten the rights and liberty of others by stripping people of their inherent human dignity. Indeed, both Pam Gellar and Geert Wilders have mounted very public assaults on the rights of Muslims. Gellar rallied her group of fanatics to attack the building of a mosque in NYC. Wilders advocated BANNING THE QURAN. Both of these are attacks on 1st Amendment religious liberty, and yet I would wager a guess most of the people on this board support both of those theocratic restrictions on the rights of Muslims, including you. Prove me wrong.

Cate
Cate
8 years ago

Civil respect and tolerance?? That is full-on bs, right there. Islam deserves to be ridiculed, just like every other religion has been. Get over yourself. I didn’t see anyone killing others for the offensive, Piss Christ exhibition. Frankly, if lots of people will stand up and do EXACTLY what Pamela is doing, it will help to draw Islam into the current century. Time to let go of the 7th century savagery!

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  Cate

You didn’t see anyone get killed (other than the attackers) here either, yet you still choose to blame ALL Muslims for the violent acts of TWO extremists. You don’t have to particularly like the religion and it is clear you don’t. That’s all well and good. What I don’t understand is why you wish to rub this dislike in the faces of others as a means of denigrating their basic identity. It is like their very existence as human beings offends your sensibilities, and that to me expresses a far greater threat to the preservation of civilized society, whereby you may in fact be willing to support full scale genocidal extermination of people based solely on their affiliation with a religion.

Pamela isn’t trying to “help” anyone but her pocketbook and her sense of entitlement to fame. I have never once heard of a moment where someone was “helped” by continually being denigrated and dehumanized to the point where people don’t think you even have a right to live.

Ghost
Ghost
8 years ago

So.. “Bob” denounce them then–since you are so “moderate.” Say they did not serve your Mohammed or his God allah in any way. Do you support FGM Bob? Or slavery of non-moslems by Moslems? Or honor killings? Or child brides? Or sexual contact with boys? Cuz’ it’s prevalent in Islam. Do you acknowledge the Armenian genocide and condemn it? Do you denounce ISIS and Boko Haram? Do you denounce Moslem crimes? Stop trying to use the uneducated followers are your cover. Talk staraight or get off the boards, troll.

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  Ghost

Denounce who, all Muslims? I denounce violent extremism and religious fundamentalism wherever it exists. I just don’t take it as far as you do to claim ALL of Islam is extremist and/or violent, which is categorically untrue.

I don’t have to accede to any man or woman’s demands, and I don’t appreciate the notion that I have to pledge some loyalty oath in order to participate in civilized debate. Request declined.

Cate
Cate
8 years ago

Once again, you are a Muslim apologist. It is obfuscation on your part. You know EXACTLY what you are being asked to denounce.

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  Cate

It is quite scary to hear the far right declare any support of the rights and liberty of Muslims to be some sort of thoughtcrime. I simply don’t respect any human being who demands speech from another, yet that is precisely what you have done. You have no moral authority whatsoever to issue such a demand.

But I’ll flatter you this once, Cate.

-I denounce FGM (practiced by MANY Christians in the Near East, BTW)

-I denounce ALL slavery

-I denounce honor killings

-I denounce child brides

-I denounce child molestation of any kind

-I denounce all denial of genocide including Turkey’s shameful rejection of their historical crimes

-I denounce all fundamentalist terrorist groups including Boko Haram and DAESH

-I denounce crimes by ANYONE, including Muslims

Will this satisfy your decision to view me as an enemy or evil for daring to dissent? Probably not. And therein lies the problem. You are so attracted to this idea of you being the righteous good and all those who don’t share your cause must, MUST be evil there is literally no amount of groveling anyone could do to dissuade you from supporting wholesale slaughter and persecution of those you deem enemies.

Cate
Cate
8 years ago

Well lookee there. It’s a pig-flyin’ moment!!

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  Cate

Like I said, it doesn’t matter if I “bend over” to your demands lest I be accused of a thoughtcrime. You prefer to judge me because your ego is way too invested in believing you are the saint and I am Satan walking on earth.

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
8 years ago

Do you denounce Muhammad for his slavery, pedophilia and slaughter of the Jewish tribe of Khybar? Do you denounce/repudiate the rabid Jew hatred found in all the holy books of Islam?

Demsci
Demsci
8 years ago

You misrepresent our position. We know our own culture and ideology and only part of Islamic holy texts is in contradiction to that. or some of it;s possible interpretations are that. and only part of the Muslims use these “bad” interpretations.

So if you deny ALL of Islam and Muslims are anti-democratic and ordering violence, then we deny that NONE of Islam and Muslims are that.

And if only a part of Islam and Muslims is “bad to our good”, we win, because then there IS a danger to our political system from “bad Muslims” and we must respond to it. and we do, in legal, non-violent way.

Cate
Cate
8 years ago

I don’t give a rats-who-know-what about what people worship. If you want to prance around naked in the woods and pray to the moon god, have at it! It is none of my business. You can worship a stone for all I care. Just don’t stone me with it! And THAT is the point. You seem to think Muslims are all-innocent. That is not the case. More than 80% of the mosques in THIS country alone promote violent and jihadi literature. In my state, Anwar al-Awlaki was a Muslim cleric at the main mosque in Denver. Speaking to LOTS of Muslims. We all know what he was involved in doing. Also in my state, Najibullah Zazi was caught as he was on his way to do a suicide attack and blow up the New York subway stations during the morning rush, as part of a Qaeda plot. The plot was ordered out of Waziristan. He lived in an apartment building in Aurora, that is FILLED with Muslims. In 1993, a Jamaat al-Fuqra site in the mountains was finally shut down after the Muslims there were caught in a money laundering scheme, defrauding the government out of about $350,000. Bombs, weapons and plans for terrorist attacks were found at the 101-acre site that was inhabited by so-called “impoverished Muslims” just wanting to live a holy life to their ‘god’. That group also firebombed a Hare Krishna temple in Denver. So this isn’t just something that’s happened over a few years, either. It is incumbent upon ALL of us to protect ourselves against a very real threat. Islam has a problem. The light of day needs to be shone on the issues in a huge way. I’ve spent a considerable amount of time in the Middle East, and I can tell you from my experience, that what we have needs to be protected and cherished.

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  Cate

“I don’t give a rats-who-know-what about what people worship.”

I am not so sure about that when you have devoted so much time and energy into hating one particular set of beliefs. In any case, all those parade of horribles you list are not being inflicted upon anyone by the overwhelming majority of Muslims throughout the world and even in this country, yet you still condemn them ALL summarily as guilty despite not having committed the acts themselves. I wonder if you are so sweeping in judgment when white Christians commit unspeakable crimes against humanity.

Let’s also not forget nearly all of those acts of terrorism you mentioned were invoked primarily not on the basis of an Islamic offensive, or else they would have been commonplace for 12 centuries (they have not). They are routinely invoked as acts of retribution for crimes perpetrated by the United States and the West against Muslims throughout the world, but particularly in the Middle East. Of course nobody here wants to talk about that because that would mean we would have to look inward a bit and examine what our own role is in this tragical farce. Much easier to just blame the Bad Guys and declare ourselves infallible saints, lest we dare suffer any pangs of conscience for our actions.

Cate
Cate
8 years ago

Oh, really. So it’s the bad AMERICANS’ fault that these criminals are perpetrating crimes. We are such bad, bad people that we need to be spanked by muzzies. Typical. Muslim. Apologist. And yet you LIVE in the United States. YOU and people like you are the VERY reason we need to protect ourselves.

If you don’t like it here, you are certainly welcome to leave. Go ahead, fly right over to Riyadh and spend a little time at chop chop. Go get some coffee on a Friday morning, and head over there after Friday morning prayers. And don’t tell me you don’t know what chop chop is, or what is done there. Never been there? I have.

If Sharia law ever is instituted here, you should know that you, as a Muslim apologist, will be the FIRST to have your head separated from your body, because your type of person isn’t respected.

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  Cate

I never said anyone is blameless, much less the terrorists themselves who have their own long list of personality disorders.

Let’s flip that around. America is completely blameless for Muslims in the Middle East becoming enraged by our actions and influence?

I am an American citizen and that means I will stay here as long as I damn well please, regardless of your support or not. If you don’t like that, I suggest YOU leave because it is clear you don’t respect what being an American is all about.

SCREW SOCIALISM
SCREW SOCIALISM
8 years ago

Should Americans be enraged by Islamist actions?

How about Canadians, Australians, Israelis, Brits, French, Dutch, Danes, Russians, Egyptians, Jordanians, Yemenis, Indians, Filipinos re: islamist terrorist attacks?

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  Cate

I think I found you on YouTube, Cate

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fZZqDJXOVg

Cate
Cate
8 years ago

Sorry you have to resort to such drivel. You can’t stand the heat, I guess. All I can say is, wake up. I have no idea why you are such a Muslim apologist. But, I can tell you that it won’t serve you well in the long-term. We here in America aren’t perfect. But, I’d rather be here than any other place. Having seen much in this world, that is a statement based on my personal experience. I am always VERY happy when I return home. I love this place – as messy as things can be. And I would very much like to keep our freedoms. Trust me – once they are gone, it’s a whole different ball game.

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  Cate

I love America. Let there be no question of that. Where I detract is in this egotistical reaction people have in believing an American must support America and American action and every ‘muricanest thing that ever ‘muricaned a ‘murican to the rejection of all rational critical thinking. That isn’t patriotism. That is sports thinking.

You’re the one who told me to leave the country due to disagreement with your simple beliefs. There is literally nothing more un-American in my book than telling someone they should renounce their citizenship on account of personal belief. The central core of the Enlightenment principles that founded this country is support for FREEDOM OF CONSCIENCE, a freedom you apparently hate so much you are willing to deprive me of my citizenship for merely exercising it. To that, I say, go f*** yourself, and your mother, and your sister, and the horse you not only f**** but rode in on. How’s that for freedom of speech, sweetheart?

SCREW SOCIALISM
SCREW SOCIALISM
8 years ago

Go f*** yourself and mooohammed, che, castro, Socialist stalin and his one time partner in crime national Socialist shitler

How’s that for freedom of speech comrade?

Demsci
Demsci
8 years ago

//”There is literally nothing more un-American in my book than telling someone they should renounce their citizenship on account of personal belief//

But not to the extent of the belief that the political system of this country has to be replaced by a different, totalitarian system, with different, so-called divine laws. We have to be intolerant to the intolerant. And at least a part of the Muslims (those who practice the 5 pillars of Islam) understand Islam in that way. You probably acknowledge that. Pamela wants to protect this country from them. Why don’t you agree with her at least on that goal? Why are you so overly sensitive about her perfectly legal, non-violent methods?

Just because the Muslims are that sensitive, you don’t have defend them. A big part of them is probably not as democratic as you sound here, hence their sensitivity. Muslims may well be more antithetical to what you seem to believe than Pamela is. She is not against anything vital you seem to cherish. You foulmouth an ally!

SCREW SOCIALISM
SCREW SOCIALISM
8 years ago

South Park received islamist death threats due to a show that had moohammed IN a bear costume – he wasn’t even depicted.

famouswolf
famouswolf
8 years ago
Reply to  Cate

The simple truth is that if a religion is the real deal, it can withstand all the ridicule puny humans can direct it’s way. Look at Christianity’s first three centuries.
That right there says it all about the difference between Christianity and islam. One spread by peaceful means while enduring all sorts of persecution, the other spread through the sword. That says all anyone needs to know about the difference between the two.

Ghost
Ghost
8 years ago

Peter: please help us understand the problems with Islam, Sharia, and the false prophet Mohammed. Thank you.

Peter? We’re waiting. Yoo-hoo!

Crickets…..

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  Ghost

When you phrase this as solely a focus on Muslims or Islam as a “problem”, it sure sounds like you inherently oppose freedom of religion for Muslims en toto.

Ghost
Ghost
8 years ago

No it doesn’t. Could YOU speak to:

FGM
Slavery
Sex Slavery
Child “brides”
Mohammed’s practice of child sexual abuse
“Honor” killings
Taqiyya
Hatred of Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus
Destruction of antiquities
Kidnapping

Pick one and get started–unless you approve and support this “religion.”

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  Ghost

I could speak to a number of those topics but the first thing I would like to say is the list of issues you bring up, long as it is, are not even close to universal applications of Islam in modern times nor anything remotely mainstream.

But I’ll pick my favorite and go with Taqiyya, a much propagandized term that really is simple common sense to all thinking persons. It applies to situations where due to your religious identity you are under threat of violence and/or death. I fail to see what on earth is at all controversial about a theological principle stating one may deny their faith to save one’s life. Indeed, it was exactly the same thing many, many Jews did (or attempted to do) in the German Third Reich to avoid the inevitable persecution which followed with being identified as Juden. I suppose you see Jews as inherently flawed and/or evil for that as well, right?

My approval or disapproval of aspects of the religion is immaterial to the fact that people have a right to practice their beliefs so long as they do not infringe on the rights and liberties of others. You seem to have taken a far more radical view to suggest Muslims have SUBSERVIENT rights to yours and that their very identity as Muslims is due cause for persecution and discrimination.

Ghost
Ghost
8 years ago

That’s not what taqiyya is–but nice try.

You are a Moslem apologist.

But “Bib” Mohammed: the practice of Islam DOES infringe on the rights of others. 24/7.

So take another topic listed and enlighten us.

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  Ghost

It is exactly what Taqiyya is, but you simply prefer to believe the propaganda. You should talk to an actual Muslim some time or at least consult modern Islamic scholarship.

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
8 years ago

So what constitutes an “actual Muslim”? Are they labelled as such? Were the two men who attacked the art exhibit not “actual” muslims?

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  Ghost

I’ve read many of your hate pages. The fact is these tenets you ascribe to all Muslims are not at all mainstream. They are more a facet of the most extreme fringe of Sunni Wahhabism, but not any sort of doctrinaire or universally orthodox Islam.

You asked me to take another. How about the destruction of antiquities? Many Iraqi MUSLIMS mourned the loss of precious artifacts mindlessly destroyed by DAESH, putting to rest your assumption this is somehow commanded for all Muslims.

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
8 years ago

Iraqi moslems certainly didn’t mourn the ethnic cleansing of the entire Jewish population of Iraq (Baghdad in the 1940’s had a Jewish majority, that is, before the Farhud pogrom).

peter kropotkin
peter kropotkin
8 years ago
Reply to  Ghost

I could show you evidence of many Christians, Catholics, and Judaists, that have been found guilty of each of those. What you won’t see me doing is putting down any of those simply because of a few that misinterpret, or use their own faith to justify those acts.

Demsci
Demsci
8 years ago

That IS a vexed problem. But if at least parts of Muslims are INTOLERANT we can not be tolerant to them, that would be suicidal.

If you have your way, we finally will have valid evidence that Islam could well promote totalitarian state, oppression, when it is already too late.

But by holding Muslims accountable for their religion, we can perhaps force them to have a group secede and declare themselves “Democratic Muslims”.

What I say is based on the idea that the 1300year old immutable texts are dangerously prone to misuse by totalitarian, violent Muslims. See IS, Taliban, Boko Haram, Ayatollah’s, millions of misunderstanders, understanding Islam in detrimental way to us.

And the other Muslims are responsible for clinging to such dangerous texts. therefore must distinquish themselves decisively with a new good and binding interpretation.

And no longer just proclaim Islam to be innocent, harmless, misunderstood, misused, a mystery, unknowable

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
8 years ago

I give your practice of Al Taqiyya and Kitman here a 9 out of 10.
It’s amazing how you think long diatribes full of 5 dollar words somehow constitute a cogent argument.

peter kropotkin
peter kropotkin
8 years ago
Reply to  Ghost

First of all, that’s a loaded question. The problem with Islam, is that it’s most recognized and influential members are cronies to politicians, bankers, and western supported states. The problem with Sharia law, is it’s current model has been imposed, enforced, and supported by extremists. And Mohammed isn’t a false prophet, he’s no more, no less a prophet than any other from your good book… Hope you haven’t been sitting in front of your computer this whole time, anticipating a response to your brilliant comment. I imagine a pool of drool forming on your keyboard.

Roger
Roger
8 years ago

Peter, it’s best to watch the vid before commenting..

“Not a week after the Charlie Hebdo jihad slaughter”, Muslims groups (in
that very room) held a “stand with the prophet conference”… there’s your
depravity !

Beagle
Beagle
8 years ago

Muslims are ‘zero threat’ to freedom of speech, but if one exercises freedom of speech it is foreseeable Muslims will murder people. If you were not completely illogical you’d have no point to make at all.

peter kropotkin
peter kropotkin
8 years ago
Reply to  Beagle

And if your logic is correct, than insulting someones mom, or war, etc. etc. etc. Are all threats to freedom of speech, as all of these can lead to physical harm, and sometimes death.

famouswolf
famouswolf
8 years ago

No one is or will be, asshole.
You are the depraved one, as well as being a witless coward and fool.

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
8 years ago

Um, who was shooting at whom at this art exhibit again?

Demsci
Demsci
8 years ago

//”That you still defend this event, and see it as a success, shows you are just as depraved as the jihadists.”//

No, Pamela hurt feelings, the jihadists hurt bodies. big difference.

You see only the disadvantages, but we support this for good reasons, it is explained all the time.

When a person chooses not to offend a bully, THAT migh also lead to violence, taking advantage of weak oppositiion. Strong opposition deters.

peter kropotkin
peter kropotkin
8 years ago
Reply to  Demsci

There is a big difference, not under this context. When you knowingly put people at risk, you should be implicated when something like this occurs. In America, you are free to make cartoon depictions of Mohammed, people are doing it constantly and not being murdered. Why have a convention for it? She’s likely waiting for someone to get killed, that way she can really inspire hate amongst her zealots. There are hundreds of environmental activists being murdered every year,
why don’t you take up that cause, at least you’d be doing something
that helps.

Demsci
Demsci
8 years ago

//:When you knowingly put people at risk, you should be implicated”?/ Yeah, so far so good.

//”Why have a convention for it?”//Sorry Peter, the rules, the laws, are clear on this. this is legal. Shooting at the convention is not. She is completely innocent, not morally wrong at all!

Look, she exhaustively explains the reasons.

Among others about what she perceived as the failure of others to publish cartoons like that. I myself read the explanation of some cartoonists and magazines etc NOT to draw or publish cartoons like that. South Park had no qualms whatsoever to ridicule Christians, Mormons, all sorts of people, but they did not dare to ridicule Mohammed. When they did, and got threaths, they quickly stopped.

And giving in to a bully might well lead to the bully demanding more and more when he is succesful. NO! deter the bully as much as possible within the law! It’s useful and perfectly legal and moral.

Please hold Muslims to the same standard you hold Pam Geller. She is within the law and moral principles, Muslims’ real or threathened violence is not! In our democratic system!

Ghost
Ghost
8 years ago

LOTS of moslems on the board today, claiming that Ms. Geller is sick, depraved, etc. It’s all phony crap–a campaign. All personal attack. NOT ONE of them will offer any critique of Islam, Sharia, or the false prophet Mohammed. That’s the “tell” in this game of political poker. It’s Civilization against barbarism. The TRUTH is out, and Islam is losing.

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  Ghost

Who are all these “moslems” on the board today? I haven’t seen one.

Roger
Roger
8 years ago

Bob, I think what Ghost meant to say was…
Islamists (moslems) “or” inbred degenerate fans of David Duke

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  Roger

“Islamists” is a useless slur term that really has no set definition meaning anything other than “Muslims Bad”.

“inbred degenerate fans of David Duke”

Or as I like to call them Pamela Gellar readers

Roger
Roger
8 years ago

Bob, you’re an idiot on both counts,
or, in the immortal words of Groucho …
“why that’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard”

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  Roger

Ad hominem, the last refuge of the intellectual coward

Beagle
Beagle
8 years ago

Given your only point was ad hominem, a strange observation to make.

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  Beagle

You go back and read this thread. I wasn’t the first to introduce personal attacks here. I simply give as good as I get. And here I thought conservatives believed in reciprocity as the height of justice….

Roger
Roger
8 years ago

Bob, if particular rules of engagement bother you, then quit spreading filth… or ask your troll-leader to re-assign you…
maybe Yahoo, ya’ll seem to flurry on a daily basis, there.

Xavier
Xavier
8 years ago

Childish, intellectually dishonest, and a poor troll.

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  Xavier

I know you are but what am I?

SCREW SOCIALISM
SCREW SOCIALISM
8 years ago

> Ad hominem, the last refuge of the intellectual coward

Pot. Kettle.

LOL!

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
8 years ago

How do the holy books of Islam refer to Jews again? Why don’t you speak out against THAT hate speech?

Roger
Roger
8 years ago

guess it’s true what they say about Texas-jihadists,
you can only trust them as much as …

Bigfoot sightings
Gas station Sushi
Mexican tap water
Pills from Bill Cosby
Hillary Clinton war stories
Brian Williams news reports
Loch Ness monster sightings
an elevator ride with Ray Rice
an Arab/Muslim on a motorcycle
or a Porcupine with a “pet me” sign :-O

Domenic Marando
Domenic Marando
8 years ago

A note of support from Canada. Full marks to you, Pamela and to your organization. Freedom of speech must be protected. I hope many will be inspired by your courage and that the real and present danger to freedom of speech, by Muslim aggression, will be removed from American society as a result. Peace.

Jethro Bodien
Jethro Bodien
8 years ago

Sure you have the right to insult, defame and provoke people, that doesn’t mean you should.

Domenic Marando
Domenic Marando
8 years ago
Reply to  Jethro Bodien

My friend, it is my firm belief that all people of good will should seek to avoid offending anyone at anytime. I don’t believe that Pamela has offended anyone. It is my understanding that the carton competition did not depict Mohamed in any way that qualifies as a valid complaint. It is easy for Muslims to say, “I am offended at this or that,” only as a matter of trying to impose their will upon others.

Add to this the Muslim problem, of waves of people emigrating to traditionally Christian countries (or to be more accurate, colonization), who not only refuse to assimilate in their newly adopted land, but take it one step further and try to impose Islam upon the host population. In such scenarios, it right for people like Pamela to sound the “alarm bell.”

Muslims must accept American law and heritage. If they can’t, for what ever reasons, then, they should go back to where they came from.

Peace.

Jethro Bodien
Jethro Bodien
8 years ago

My friend, have you ever heard “Pamela” speak? She is offensive to the Human race. And this idea that we are be invaded by Muslims or Mexican or some other brown people is completely overblown and nationalist paranoia…IMO.

Domenic Marando
Domenic Marando
8 years ago
Reply to  Jethro Bodien

I am not convinced. Cheers.

Demsci
Demsci
8 years ago
Reply to  Jethro Bodien

Yes, we insult, defame, provoke people, yes we speak Hate” You don;’t like that,you defend the “victims”.

But see context. Leaders like Obama, Cameron, magazines, actors even do also defend, exonerate and praise Islam. And now YOU want only THAT response to Islam from Westerners, either that or complete ignoring it, considering Islam positive, or a mystery for Westerners. Please appreciate a more balanced judgement.

We do have good reasons for “hateful, denigrating” speech, we explain them all the time.

“The Islamic side is NOT SHY with hateful-denigrating messages either. And you can’t discourage that, so please allow us, too.

Jethro Bodien
Jethro Bodien
8 years ago
Reply to  Demsci

Oh right, I forgot…two wrongs make a right. Hate is never helpful…period. No one likes murderous, psychopathic terrorists, let’s be careful not to become THEM.

tom_billesley
tom_billesley
8 years ago

Apparently they were shot by a lone traffic cop at the outer security perimeter.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/05/04/prophet-mohammed-cartoon-shootings-texas/26858741/

The Mohammed Art Exhibit event at the Curtis Culwell Center was coming to a close Sunday night when the suspects drove up to a parking lot entrance blocked by a patrol car. The suspects got out of their car and started shooting, Harn [Police spokesman Joe Harn] said.

A security guard, who was not armed, was shot in the leg. The police officer who was with him then fatally shot both suspects with his duty pistol, Harn said.

Duty pistol against two men armed with AK47’s. Respect.

Update: The jihadi attackers wore body armour
http://www.dallasnews.com/news/local-news/20150503-breaking-gunfire-reported-at-anti-islam-event-at-garland-isd-facility.ece

Noorul Mohamed
Noorul Mohamed
8 years ago

Who are the leaders of Islam?Mullahs,Sheikhs,Imams,ustads … From these tell me just one who opposes “SUBMIT to Islam or else the verdict is death from sword”.Islam itself is not a living body,but Mullahs,sheiks etc.are.These guys consider themselves as the worst enemies of every Christian,Jewish,etcetera

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
8 years ago
Reply to  Noorul Mohamed

Does not the holy Quran state that Jews are the worst enemies of allah and the believer?

Noorul Mohamed
Noorul Mohamed
8 years ago
Reply to  IzlamIsTyranny

It obviously does,you’re absolutely correct and this doesn’t involve you or me it’s clearly stated in Quran,but you see the most interesting thing which has been stated in Islamic history books is that the ” ONE and the only GENUINE” version of holy “QURAN” has been burnt away by Muslims themselves hundreds of years back during political, economic and civil unrests lead to holocaust of themselves including their Caliphates and their greatest leaders of time. The way Quran had been rewritten wasn’t clear,but surely God didn’t send a second Quran nor any Prophets…believe or not this true fact can’t be destroyed at any cost.

Noorul Mohamed
Noorul Mohamed
8 years ago
Reply to  IzlamIsTyranny

You see,Islamic history states that Original version of Quran has been burnt by Muslims themselves but it’s unclear how and when it had been rewritten.So (Izlamis) I have no idea how to answer your questions,because as to my knowledge God didn’t send another prophet or revelations up to date.

Noorul Mohamed
Noorul Mohamed
8 years ago
Reply to  IzlamIsTyranny

I don’t know how to answer you,but western governments are acting quite weird

Rodney Prosser
Rodney Prosser
8 years ago

People like Pamela Geller are adding fuel to the fire that exists against the United States. Free speech is one thing but God, how many times do we have to be reminded that free speech can also have repercussions. I’m an advocate of free speech but I also understand that if I say something that someone else doesn’t agree with, I’m susceptible to the backlash of such, and it is no secret that terrorist groups fight tooth and nail for their beliefs (whether I agree or not, which I do not), is the reality in which we live. Our history of spreading the American agenda and trying to force other cultures to assimilate has caused the disgust towards us. The rest of us who are trying to live in peace in this country are being attacked in the name of free speech, by those who have a one-sided agenda. The people of this country need to get over their pompous attitudes (we are not the same America as we were in the past and we are looking pathetic. Many wars have been waged and many lives have been lost in the name of Christianity and other religions and when we do something as personal as attacking others’ core beliefs, we have to expect retribution. Christians have been known to kill homosexuals because they are seen as a threat to their core beliefs and as wrong as it is to kill, do any of you think that will change with irresponsible rhetoric such as “a prize for the best hate message” is just plain vulgar and fodder for the constant attack on the American people.

The Bull
The Bull
8 years ago
Reply to  Rodney Prosser

Other cultures do assimilate in America, just not the ones who want to takeover, enforce their foreign laws and kill all opposition. Is it really so bad to stand up against this?

Amyel
Amyel
8 years ago
Reply to  Rodney Prosser

You are just another muzzle who tries to spread confusion about the truth, or you are a dhimmi. How can you stand for a free speech and for a backlash against it at the same time? Pathetic.

Ghost
Ghost
8 years ago
Reply to  Rodney Prosser

Prosser:

Speak to us about the oppression of homosexuals in Islamic countries.

Speak to us about the Islamic practice of FGM.

Speak to us on the issue of the Islamic practice of killing former Moslems for choosing a religious path other thS Islam.

Speak to us about the Islamic practice of sexual assault on children and women.

Then speak to us about the history of Islam. For more than a thousand years Islam wages cruel and bloody war on non-Moslem–LONG before there was a USA.

Speak to us about the Armenian genocide by the Turks.

Speak to us of Mohammed’s slaughter of Medina.

It’s not going to sell here for you to attack intellectual argument and academic exploration, or even historical facts.

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  Rodney Prosser

Elegantly put, sir. The attack on the very cultural identity of persons as opposed to holding individuals responsible for their actions is the true injustice here, and I fear both sides of the extremist coin (Gellar et al. on one side, fundamentalists on the other) will continue to try and incite one another until they get their hoped-for full blown holy war. Such is how civilization is destroyed, when people prefer conflict and violence over peace and understanding.

“Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.”

Roger
Roger
8 years ago

@ Bob, there’s nothing eloquently put in Rod’s remarks, nor anything elegant about lipstick on a turd. Since you’ve read my reply… apply the same sentiment to your distorted view of individual responsibility.

Demsci
Demsci
8 years ago

//”The attack on the very cultural identity of persons as opposed to holding individuals responsible for their actions is the true injustice here’//

I like to let all people, Muslims especially reflect on the idea that choice of religion is something to be held responsible for too.
And then it is not injustice to attack their religion, ideology. But non-violent, only verbal and avoidable by them.

Culture? We don’t care one bit about the culture of Muslims, it is their perceived threathening ideology, in conflict, in part, and competition with our own for future adherents, that we care about.

And Pamela and friends hurt feelings, a part of Muslims hurt bodies. If a part engages in violent, totalitarian behavior and the religion Islam prophits from that, is that no also a reason to hold Muslims accountable for their choice of religion?

As much as we here are held accountable for our ideology? Please use same standards for all!

Roger
Roger
8 years ago
Reply to  Rodney Prosser

“People like Rodney Prosser are adding fuel to the fire that exists against the United States”. Rodney, would’ve replied earlier but I had to puke..

America is still the world’s greatest advocate of individual & societal freedom, you’re regurgitated and intentionally long-winded nonsense disgusts me. Everyone (with except to Islam) has evolved from centuries old ideology, today’s “prize for the best hate message” is contained in adherence to Islamic text, hadiths, abrogations and emulations of Mohammed… and not those with the courage of confrontation !

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  Roger

We don’t even enjoy as much freedom as most states in Western Europe. The United States has fallen WAY behind on the expansion and protection of rights and liberty, and so long as we continue to feebly embrace blind nationalism over a push for progress and reform, it is only going to get worse.

Roger
Roger
8 years ago

Lmao @ Bob, “as much freedom as most states in Western Europe”… that brings France-istan “no-go zones” into play.

Can’t believe you typed that with a straight face. Patriotism is not blinded to the push of progressive liberalism… the only friend an extremely totalitarian Islamic ideological enemy has. Spread your nonsense elsewhere.

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
8 years ago

So the fact that British and French citizens are arrested for criticising Islam publicly is an exemplar of how much more liberty and freedom they enjoy?

Domenic Marando
Domenic Marando
8 years ago
Reply to  Rodney Prosser

Consider my friend, another view. First, Pamela’s cartoon competition as far as I understand it, did not depict Mohamed in an offensive way. Regardless of who may have taken offence, there are civilized approaches to such matters. Muslims who don’t like Mohamed cartoons, can blog, post on web sites, engage in dialogue and use social networks. Under no circumstances should anyone in America feel restricted to their freedom of speech and especially so, when newly arrived Muslim immigrants, who not only demonstrate a failure to assimilate in their newly adopted land, but try to impose their faith and culture upon the host population. Under such conditions, the host population is justified to sound the alarm and fight for their rights.

famouswolf
famouswolf
8 years ago
Reply to  Rodney Prosser

All bullshit.

Demsci
Demsci
8 years ago
Reply to  Rodney Prosser

//”People like Pamela Geller are adding fuel to the fire that exists against the United States.”//

I suppose you are right about that. But see context. Through MEMRI TV we know Muslims gives as good as the get. Or as bad, or worse. It is coming from both sides. And why don’t you allow both sides, as we do? Dont censor and discourage so much!

And inside America, among others coming from none other than the president himself, there is …. “Exoneration of, Praise” for Islam and Muslims.

Now are you saying the fire Pamela adds fuel too is not much mitigated or what the president + other Islam-well-wishers in America says not much appreciated by the vast majority of Muslims, or what? How ungrateful are these Muslims on average then? How focused on the negative only.

Roger
Roger
8 years ago

Necessary & valid is the platform of “free speech”,
.. but the problem runs deeper. Islamic encroachment upon free society is ☞ fact, whereas free speech allows the nauseating moral equivalence of Islamic propaganda (rarely condemned, and based in fabrication, deceit, outright lies)
.. Kudos to the AFDI for their perseverance and patience.

tom_billesley
tom_billesley
8 years ago

http://abcnews.go.com/US/official-texas-shooting-supsects-ided/story?id=30782088
Elton Simpson’s lawyer for 2010 trial:
“He had been going down a bad path and then he found Islam,”

Dale Durbin
Dale Durbin
8 years ago

I would Pray that you would take the Mohammed Cartoon show to every town and city in the USA with a population of 5000 or more

Ghost
Ghost
8 years ago

The Islamic propaganda TROLLS are out in record number. I would like to see any one of them take a few of the political cartoons and discuss. But we’ll never see it. They are here to mislead and decive. But, really, it’s too late. People are waking up to the deception. It used to be “you’re a Moslem? Okay by me…” Now it’s an issue because we’re aware of what these crazies are doing–from for the caliphate here in the US (“Civilization Jihad” they themselves call it), to ISIS and Boko Haram.

There ARE moderate Moslems. No one is worried about them–but the poison of the political ideology and its goals are spreading. It has to be discussed. Cartoons are one way. Education is another:

http://youtu.be/-5RjyxVEMVo

http://www.politicalislam.com/sacred-deception-taqiyya/

http://www.meforum.org/2538/taqiyya-islam-rules-of-war

http://www.politicalislam.com/the-doctrine-of-deceit/

http://www.jihadwatch.org/islam-101

See: Jihad Watch
See: Bare Naked Islam
See: Political Islam
See: MEMRI
See: PA Media Watch
See: No Compulsion

flora
flora
8 years ago

AWESOME JOB, PAMELA. REALLY PROUD OF YOU. KEEP IT UP.
WE LOVE YOU FROM CANADA BC

flora
flora
8 years ago

ONLY ONE REMEDY FOR ISLAM:
ISLAM MUST BE BANNED WORLDWIDE.

ISLAM IS A DEATH CULT, A TOTALITARIAN POLITICAL SYSTEM THAT MASKS ITSELF AS A RELIGION. STRIP off religious rights from ISLAM. ISLAM must be banned, just like the Nazi. Islam’s prophet: child rapist, pedophile, mass murderer, killer of Jews and Christians.
ISLAM- SATANIC CULT.

http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Themes/jihad_passages.html (164 verses call for jihad in the Quran)
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/023-violence.htm (109 verses call for killing all non muslims)
https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2013/01/18/islam-the-crimes-of-prophet-mohammed/ (Criminal prophet legalizing crimes, and hiding his TERRORIST CULT under the banner of religion)

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  flora

So much for that Freedom of Religion in the 1st Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America.

What other rights do you plan on banning, flora?

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
8 years ago

Why aren’t non-muslims allowed to go to Mecca again?

SCREW SOCIALISM
SCREW SOCIALISM
8 years ago

When your “religion” preaches killing “unbelievers”, apostates, it crosses the line into cult, death cult, terrorist.

NOT a Religion.

NOT a “Religion of Peace”.

morticiaa
morticiaa
8 years ago

Bravo to all the participants and to Robert Geert and you Pamela you three are heros
modern day role models….xoxoxxo hugs and save travels and growing support as you
continue to pave awareness trails for others to follow….Thank goodness the Texas
cops know how to deal with these cockroaches, and hopefully the media coverage
will highlight the evergrowing problems

Concerned
Concerned
8 years ago

Great speech, Pamela. It is interesting that your opposition accuses you of provocation. That is exactly the point you are trying to make: that provocation is no excuse for violence and murder and that fear of provocation is submission to sharia. Knowing that your speech will be offensive to jihadists, you have two choices: make the speech or crawl under a sharia rock. Congratulations on making your speech with your cartoon conference. The subject matter is of great symbolic importance.

Domenic Marando
Domenic Marando
8 years ago
Reply to  Concerned

Amen. Well put.

Michael Burris
Michael Burris
8 years ago

Right. Nothing but lip service! Why no action? Why no international coalition of Christians to fight Islamic terrorism? I’ve seen nothing out of any of you except mutual masturbation in a never ending circle jerk!

famouswolf
famouswolf
8 years ago
Reply to  Michael Burris

LOL The action will be the last reaction…because people are bending over backwards right now hoping for the best.
That won’t last.

chris wolf
chris wolf
8 years ago

The death of 25-year old NYPD officer Brian Moore is the fault and responsibility of Big Bird Bulasio DeCommio for reversing the successful Stop & Frisk policy that had reduced violent crime in New York for a decade.
There are other stories of victimization by violent criminals, savages and animals in the streets that are blood on his hands and they are growing every day.

Jethro Bodien
Jethro Bodien
8 years ago

You people are so vile and full of hate that the freedom you speak of will never lead to anything positive…ever!

Ghost
Ghost
8 years ago
Reply to  Jethro Bodien

Jethro: please study Islam:

http://www.politicalislam.com/sacred-deception-taqiyya/

http://www.meforum.org/2538/taqiyya-islam-rules-of-war

http://www.politicalislam.com/the-doctrine-of-deceit/

http://www.jihadwatch.org/islam-101

See: Jihad Watch
See: Bare Naked Islam
See: Political Islam
See: MEMRI
See: PA Media Watch
See: No Compulsion

Domenic Marando
Domenic Marando
8 years ago
Reply to  Jethro Bodien

Look whose talking. You invite us to study a religion by insulting us, first with words, and then, by trying to direct us away from our Christian faith. I can not speak for anyone else, but I have just about had enough of Islam and the Muslim immigrants trying to impose their will upon their newly adopted nation’s population.

Jethro Bodien
Jethro Bodien
8 years ago

That’s odd, I have never been approached by a Muslim attempting to convert me. Now Christians, that’s a whole other story!

Tiza
Tiza
8 years ago
Reply to  Jethro Bodien

Are you talking about us who trust in the Bible? If so, how do you figure that?

famouswolf
famouswolf
8 years ago
Reply to  Jethro Bodien

Take your idiotic hysterical rhetoric and shove it where the sun don’t shine, lackwit.

Demsci
Demsci
8 years ago
Reply to  Jethro Bodien

Thanks for the challenge then. Perhaps we should explain what we are positively FOR more then. Many of us too have an ideology. Because we have choice, we choose that over Islam and yes, consider it better.

Our main overarching ideology is about Meaningful Democracy, freedom of speech, freedom of the individual, constitutional state, separation of church and state, free elections. Many of us believe in the beauties of enlightenment and science.

We consider “hating, denigrating the bad” legal, normal and beneficial. The “bad” is what threathens our “good”, which I explained.
We want future generations to accept our “good” and reject our “bad”.

It is certain that many Muslims do the same and also use hateful-denigrating language. Will you condemn them too?

Jethro Bodien
Jethro Bodien
8 years ago
Reply to  Demsci

So you’re cool with me shitting on the US flag or a crucifix in the name of freedom…right?

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
8 years ago
Reply to  Jethro Bodien

What kind of freedom exists in Islamic states again?

Jethro Bodien
Jethro Bodien
8 years ago
Reply to  IzlamIsTyranny

Well they have the freedom to be invaded by the US under the guise of spreading freedom 😛

SCREW SOCIALISM
SCREW SOCIALISM
8 years ago
Reply to  Jethro Bodien

You people? You as in Jihadi savages?

Peter
Peter
8 years ago

Any theory or belief or laws that cannot stand the test of criticisms is not valid.

Tanya
Tanya
8 years ago

Really what does anyone expect from the “Consumptive Cause Network”

Tori
Tori
8 years ago

Pamela Geller, you are an American hero. And Congratulations Bosch.

Tiza
Tiza
8 years ago

Just a question to any Muslims here.

Do you guys not understand what the 10 commandments are?

Roger
Roger
8 years ago

The video reference to Molly Norris
promoted this search .. http://goo.gl/2528y

future American Freedom Defense Initiative ad ??

Tiza
Tiza
8 years ago

Let me ask, has any of the Muslims seen, or anyone else for that matter, how the poor beautiful daughters of Muslim fathers receive their honor killings, or should I say, honor murders? It’s sick, so very sick.

Joleen Galloway
Joleen Galloway
8 years ago

Great job Pamela keep it up. Two less terrorists to worry about thanks to this event. Glad the security guard is OK but we shouldn’t have to go through this in America. It’s sickening and disturbing. I don’t think Pamela’s intention is to offend Muslims but hell they can’t keep their own religion from terrorizing the world so sorry get offended MUSLIMS because it least somebody like her is trying to make a difference and she’s not afraid like you ARE.

Domenic Marando
Domenic Marando
8 years ago

I agree. Muslims just use the excuse of being offending to try and impose their will upon their newly adopted nation. Muslims should embrace American law and heritage. If they can’t for what ever reasons, they should return to their former countries.

Pigg Pie
Pigg Pie
8 years ago

Thank you Pamela just made a donation to help defer the cost of Security.

D. B. Rogers.
D. B. Rogers.
8 years ago

All that hate is causing you to have frown-lines, Pam.

Why aren’t you happy enough in your own faith? Why weren’t you happy with the original face the good Lord decided you should have?

Instead of distracting simple-minded people on your blog, how about you delve further into your own faith, find the love of God, and stop the hate. It’s causing frown-line to crater you face.

Lacouray Too
Lacouray Too
8 years ago
Reply to  D. B. Rogers.

mooslem, we can at least see Ms. Geller’s beautiful face and she isn’t wearing a feed bag like your women do.

D. B. Rogers.
D. B. Rogers.
8 years ago
Reply to  Lacouray Too

See. You just proved everything I said. By the way, I’m Southern Baptist.

It’s people like you who will burn harder and longer.

Lacouray Too
Lacouray Too
8 years ago
Reply to  D. B. Rogers.

You took half a day to come back with that brilliant comment.
What have you said, that I have proven?
If it’s the ‘simple minded’ part to which you’re referring, you proved that you are by your comment.
Your comment also shows that you’re a mooslem.
You just aren’t admitting it to yourself yet or just plain too stupid to realize it.
Even the burn speech makes you sound like allah.

D. B. Rogers.
D. B. Rogers.
8 years ago
Reply to  Lacouray Too

Everything. Firstly, you tried calling me a Muslim, as if yo offend me. But I’m not, and even if I were, I still wouldn’t be offended because people like you have not a sound reason for your beliefs.

Something in your life is so broken you chose to enable hate in your soul for others to make yourself fell superior, or even somewhat useful. But you’re useless. You have no God. And while the revolution may be televised, when you sore losers/haters meet your God, that’s when the real revolution takes place. What side of good are you on?

Hopefully, my words just helped you help yourself.

Lacouray Too
Lacouray Too
8 years ago
Reply to  D. B. Rogers.

“Firstly, you tried calling me a Muslim, as if yo
offend me. But I’m not, and even if I were, I still wouldn’t be offended because people like you have not a sound reason for your beliefs.”

Whereas you mooslems have?
I believe that you mooslems want to kill me for being an infidel.
Isnt that sound enough?

“Something in your life is so broken you chose to enable hate in your soul for others to make yourself fell superior, or even somewhat useful. But you’re useless. You have no God.”

My ‘tolerance’ for the dangerous ideology, which you support, is broken.
My God is Jesus Christ not the black stone that you worship.
Unfortunately, for you, I don’t do the ‘turn the other cheek’ part too well.

“And while the revolution may be televised, when you sore losers/haters meet your God, that’s when the real revolution takes place.
What side of good are you on?”

Even more proof that you’re a mohammedan.

Your words just showed me exactly who you are.

D. B. Rogers.
D. B. Rogers.
8 years ago
Reply to  Lacouray Too

Lol. You’re either a southern inbred with no hobbies other than hate, or you really are just a brain dead nincompoop. I’m leaning toward the former, and latter, but will let you choose yourself.

Lacouray Too
Lacouray Too
8 years ago
Reply to  D. B. Rogers.

mooslem, mohammehan, there is no Christian who has felt the sweet freedom that is in Jesus Christ (Notice I use CAPITALS) who would in any way criticise Ms. Geller or have a problem with calling out this murderous doctrine for what it really is.
Call me simple minded but my SAVIOUR said ‘ a little child shall lead them’ and unless ye become as children ye shall miss the kingdom of God. So continue, mooslem to try to hide who you are.

D. B. Rogers.
D. B. Rogers.
8 years ago
Reply to  Lacouray Too

Yeah, it’s obvious you’re a little child. You just can’t accept the fact I’m not only a better person than you, but also closer to Jesus in my PRACTICES and BELIEFS. NOthing about what you, or leather face Ms. (G)Heller, beliefs are in line with the word of Jesus Christ. You can try to prove your “faith” by holding fast to proper grammar by capitalizing the proper name of Jesus, but it’s clear, since you simply can’t fathom I’m Christian, and you keep attempting, (attempting) to label me Muslim. Yea, you belong with Ms. (G)Heller, and when the rapture come you will be swallowed up.

Peace, you clueless, backwoods ruby neck boy.

Lacouray Too
Lacouray Too
8 years ago
Reply to  D. B. Rogers.

You’re a better person than me?
Not according to my ‘BOOK’.
My BOOK says that we have all come short.
You wonder why I call you mohammedan?
You don’t know my BOOK.
I have engaged you in debate yet you continue to make slurs against Ms. Geller, why? She hasn’t told you anything.
All she has done is attempt to bring islam to the light.
You speak of the rapture but don’t you really mean your ideology’s madi.
I know how to spell it but you have to be mad to believe in that BS.
I will no longer engage because of your ‘superior’ Christian principles.
Incidentally thanks for including me in those who will be ‘swallowed’ up in the rapture as I’m not a very good Christian as I don’t turn the other cheek and those sort of stuff so well.

D. B. Rogers.
D. B. Rogers.
8 years ago
Reply to  Lacouray Too

Peace. Enjoy your weekend.

D. B. Rogers.
D. B. Rogers.
8 years ago
Reply to  Lacouray Too

And the simple fact that you keep calling me Muslim as if to offend me, instead of offering your lucid opinion as to what the Bible says in regard to your hate, shows me your ideology is baseless. You’re bored with life and need something to stimulate you and unfortuanately that happens to be hate.

I’ve already told your simple-minded self I’m Christian, but you keep calling me Muslim. If I were Muslim why would I lie about it.

But whats sadder is that I’m trying to help you open your mind, but I know that’s impossible and pointless. So please let me apologize for wasting both our time.

Ghost
Ghost
8 years ago
Reply to  D. B. Rogers.

YHWH commands us to hate Evil.
you don’t hate Evil, you hate the people who fight Evil- that makes you…

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  Ghost

If God commands us to do anything, it is to love, NOT hate.

Yoda put it best:

“Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.”

If you think negativism leads to positivity, you have fundamentally lost the Spirit.

Demsci
Demsci
8 years ago

//”If you think negativism leads to positivity, you have fundamentally lost the Spirit.”//

To me that resonates. Yes, I do think democracy-loyalists should posit a very positive alternative to Islam.

You, from your side, were very negative about Pamela Geller. And it behooves you and Muslims to come up with something positive; like “Democracy is Halal”. Or “We democratic Muslims will stand on the democratic side against all totalitarians, including all Muslims.

Like we do; namely; we prefer good Muslims over bad Non-Muslims, Muslims should tell us clearly they prefer good Democratic Kuffars over bad Muslims.

Ghost
Ghost
8 years ago

you are biblically illiterate and have taken to paganism.
you know nothing and understand less.

what do You! do with Evil? surrender? out of love?
that’s how the Emperor defeated Mace Windu- sucka!
you have no Standards, you’re all mush.

what would You! have done with Hitller? hmmm?
how did the Germans fall for Nazi tyranny? moral collapse.
if the Japanese had reached India, Gandhi and all “wisdom” would have been found floating face down in the Ganges.

if God is not a God of Righteous Judgment then what Good is He? but He is, EXACTLY as described in the Bible.
you’ll never know that because you’re more interested in ‘Star Wars’ entertainment than the Truth of Life.

in the end, you will not be able to say to Him, “uhhh, I didn’t have an opportunity…” shutup sucka and Exit left

famouswolf
famouswolf
8 years ago
Reply to  D. B. Rogers.

Lies, insults and pure stupidity.
What a loser you are.

IMPACT1
IMPACT1
8 years ago

Thank You Pam Geller for you COURAGE…and the COURAGE of all the Patriots of FREEDOM who stand with you….Millions of us stand with you…but you wouldn’t know it by the Left Wing Extremists Media!!

To Hell with the MSM they SINK US LOWER into the MUCK with their appeasing and cowardance….they can stand up for FREEDOM and AMERICA now, or they could die kneeling at the hands of the Savages later…

GOD Bless you and Protect you..

Scamster.org
Scamster.org
8 years ago

We file lawsuits and administrative complaints against Islamic terror groups fraudulently operating in USA as nonprofits. Please support us: Attacks against America should be stopped. If you love this country, we should be partners: http://scamster.org/

billlevinson
billlevinson
8 years ago

The Second Amendment guarantees the First Amendment.

Two dead jihad apes = the world is a better place. https://youtu.be/ML6oLuLecQ4

Evening
Evening
8 years ago

When USA was still in cold war with Russia, and other war with Vietnam etc, was there any such thing called Islamist “terrorist”? No. Not until USA doesn’t have any more enemies to fight with (to spend their war supplies). So they attacked Iraq with unproven accusation. Only then, the Al Qaeda and others started to flourish due to the increasing “attack” of USA on middle east’s soil (for the oil). They are just reacting and depending themselves. USA needs to stop invading them. This art exhibition is just another way to attack their feelings.

famouswolf
famouswolf
8 years ago
Reply to  Evening

Your ignorance is showing. Read up on some real history and get back to us. Until then, stay in the corner with your dunce cap.

SCREW SOCIALISM
SCREW SOCIALISM
8 years ago
Reply to  Evening

Sadaam Hussein used poison gas, a WMD, on the Kurds of Halabja Iraq 5,000 died

He invaded Kuwait.
He had an 8 year war with Fascist Iran.
His son(s) threw opponents into wood chippers.

Islamist terror is hundreds of years old. Ask Hindus of India.

Demsci
Demsci
8 years ago
Reply to  Evening

//”This art exhibition is just another way to attack their feelings.”//

Yes, but a part of the Muslims does that too, they hurt the feelings of Jews, Americans, kuffars, like us. Are you going to discourage both or neither? Why only discourage one side? don’t use double standards.

We allow both, is’t just their and our feelings, not their, our bodies. They can avoid looking at it. Muslims play the game by Islamic Rules, let Muslims allow the Non-Muslims to play the game by other rules. Our rules give Muslims exactly the same rights.

Helen D.
Helen D.
8 years ago
Reply to  Evening

Aw c’mon now… the history of Islamic conquest hasn’t changed. It wasn’t American involvement in Iraq that started this. It was Iran. When the shah was overthrown and Khomeini took over, that’s when the West came under attack. Then you add immigration of millions of moslems … and there you have it.

Try to think logically. The Moslem world is addicted to “story” — like simple, “this is bad that is good”. So feelings always run high. They attack each other as well. Always fighting over “grievances.”

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
8 years ago
Reply to  Evening

Are you mentally retarded? R U seriously proposing that an “art exhibit” constitutes an attack?

Robert Paulson
Robert Paulson
8 years ago

You know Pamela I usually don’t lean this hard right, but… After witnessing how holding a cartoon contest was a highly effective snare to draw these idiots out, I think you should go on tour and maybe clean-up house? plzthx

SCREW SOCIALISM
SCREW SOCIALISM
8 years ago
Reply to  Robert Paulson

Fighting Islamofascism, like fighting Crime, should be a shared value of any side of the political spectrum.

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
8 years ago

Double thumbs up. Islamic-nazism is a right or left issue, it’s a human rights issue.

ApolloSpeaks
ApolloSpeaks
8 years ago

ATTENTION: LEFTIST OPPONENTS OF AFDI

Would you oppose homosexuals holding an inciteful, offensive-to-Islamic-fundamentalists Mohammed Art Exhibit and Contest offering a cash prize of $10,000 to an artist who depicts in the most effective way the Prophet torturing, brutalizing and slaying homosexuals? And if there were jihadist violence at such an event who would you attribute it to? The Gay organizers? Or the jihadist Moslems and their backward, primitive, medieval hatred and fear of homosexuals?

http://www.apollospeaks.com

Gumby
Gumby
8 years ago
Reply to  ApolloSpeaks

I think that was a great comment. Puts it into perspective quite nicely.

Timothy Smith
Timothy Smith
8 years ago

What was the purpose of this contest… just to insult and antagonize? Well, mission accomplished. It seems to me a true patriot would not go out of their way to insult other’s religion, since religious freedom is an integral part of the USA. Don’t misunderstand- I support free speech, but this type of hatred will only drive this nation closer to an all-out cultural war. BTW- I also support the right for those idiots to stand on the United States flag… do you?

Gumby
Gumby
8 years ago
Reply to  Timothy Smith

There was no hate. Only the jihadis hate. If you bow to Islam you will end up regretting it. It’s an all or nothing racket: “become a Moslem and do what we say (or we’ll kill you)” OR “pay us the money (JIZYAH) we want (or we’ll kill you.”

Like it or not, that’s their mandate. They just wait and build mosques and parallel societies and work thei way into government positions until they can enforce the sharia. Obama has a whole passel of them in government. No wonder they work with the cartels south of the border.

About the flag… I don’t like it, but it IS protected political expression, free speech, here. But you can’t do that in their countries with the flag of their countries..

Kind of funny if you think about it. Also kind of sickening.

SCREW SOCIALISM
SCREW SOCIALISM
8 years ago
Reply to  Timothy Smith

Timmy,, What’s more “offensive”?

A cartoon or jihad, beheading, shooting, stabbing, bombing, hijacking?

Timothy Smith
Timothy Smith
8 years ago

That’s not what i asked… i asked for the purpose of antagonizing muslims. Would you be ok if you walked by and saw some youths standing & spitting on the American flag?

Demsci
Demsci
8 years ago
Reply to  Timothy Smith

Pamela Geller and friends explain over and over what they want to defend, Western culture, perhaps even Western principles, values, Democratic Ideology. They intend to do this in a non-violent, totally legal way, so in accordance with American Law.

Even if many, like you maybe, see no danger to what they aim to defend (see above), Pamela and many do see that danger. The purpose of the contest must be seen in that context of defense. In the various video’s she explains.

Freedom of religion has as it’s border tolerance of intolerants, because that is is suicidal for a tolerant society as the USA. So a true patriot like Pamela rejects intolerant Ideologies and opposes them and tries to limit their danger.

At least part of Quran-Hadiths-Sira are intolerant, or else a much used interpretation of these texts are. We explain that time and again.

Hatred, insulting and antagonize is indeed what Pamela Geller does. We see you do not like it, and you state your good reasons, it’s DISADVANTAGES.

But Pamela and others have explained again and again the ADVANTAGES of Hatred (of something that is “bad” in relation to some “good” we have), insulting and antagonizing those we consider a threat to what we love or those that follow a partly hostile ideology.

Hatred, Insulting, antagonize happens a lot in the world, the Muslims also engage in it, and why would you like to discourage it? it is useless.

There also is much love, friendliness, praise going around and especially for the Muslims among Westerners. Just look at how Obama exonerates and praises Islam. Why don’t you accept there already is a sort of balance?

It is violence where you should draw the line, and Pamela does that. But part of the Muslims don’t. And that is related to their holy scriptures. At this website and in many, many others, it get’s explained in detail.

Obama IS-A-POS
Obama IS-A-POS
8 years ago
Reply to  Timothy Smith

Try spewing that BS in the nearest raghead terrorist center(Mosque). You and your boyfriend won’t be looked on kindly, sweet cheeks.

Timothy Smith
Timothy Smith
8 years ago
Reply to  Obama IS-A-POS

What a hateful, violent response. People like you are what is wrong with America- not Muslims. BTW- I am a Born-again, Christian conservative. I hate that filthy racists like you are compared to people like me. Do us all a favor and shut up.

Willem Gout
Willem Gout
8 years ago

Awesome people

Andy Finnigan
Andy Finnigan
8 years ago

Is there a slide show of the entries?

Gumby
Gumby
8 years ago
Reply to  Andy Finnigan

The AFDI Muhammad Cartoon Contest People’s Choice Awards — THE WINNER – See more at: http://b1ff5939f6.nxcli.net/2015/04/the-afdi-muhammad-cartoon-contest-peoples-choice-awards-the-winner.html/#sthash.Hzb7t2oV.dpuf

Scroll down…

unclebuck7
unclebuck7
8 years ago

Our society is descending into demonic stupidity. Come to Christ or go to hell!

Pat
Pat
8 years ago

I think everyone should watch these short speeches–Pamela, Geert, Ribert, then go see “Islam is Nazism with a God” on YouTube. The haters are the moslems. The jihadi moslems. It’s perfectly clear.

See Thru
See Thru
8 years ago

Yeah, Pamela, we support you.

Sia Gomez
Sia Gomez
8 years ago

The moment he received the award… I was smiling.. very brave people… Geert is very tall guy.

Obama IS-A-POS
Obama IS-A-POS
8 years ago

F’ the sewer rat followers of the 7th century child-molesting desert thief and murderer, and F’ their collaborators in this country! If Pamela Geller needs more arms around her, just put out the call. I welcome the opportunity to shoot the next batch of cowardly sewer rats.

KUDO’s to the traffic cop and his two head shot kills of the vermin who THOUGHT they were picking on a soft target. The Jihadi cowards should stick to attacking their usual targets of unarmed women and children. If the women and children were armed in the gutter rat countries, the Mohammedan cowards would avoid them too.

Go to H-ll to be with Mohammed and your 69 virgin rodents.

Burt Nissink
Burt Nissink
8 years ago

Freedoms tested through the fires of Battle should be the most treasured and enduring!

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