“Being a ‘nice guy’…and respecting those who don’t respect our values, nor Christians and Jews, nor anyone else very much, is not an answer to blooded knives and severed heads”

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Here is a letter to the editor of the Church Times publication in the UK, responding to an article by a Paul Vallely (not, of course, the American general). It responds well to many of the common objections to our free speech event that was subjected to a jihad attack.’

Pamela Robert Geert Bosch2

From: Revd Clifford Hall, Supelrative, St George, Barbados
Letters,The Editor,
Church Times

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15 May, 2015

Dear Editor,

Paul Vallely argues (8 May), in relation to the Texas Mohammed cartoon contest, that rights, and here freedom of speech, must be exercised responsibly. I find it impossible to disagree with him. He concludes in effect that the contest organizers abused the freedom, and so acted irresponsibly, because in its exercise they set out to provoke Moslems. I would say that even if this were their intention, it would have been irresponsible not to hold the contest and that I regard Mr Vallely’s arguments to be seriously spinful.

First, he finds it “telling” and “revealing” that someone at the contest first asked whether the dead gunmen were Moslems. Look, to have asked any other question at a contest of that kind would have been imperiously imbecilic wouldn’t it?

Second, Mr Vallely suggests that the contest “felt more like an anti-Moslem hate event” – which clearly implies he was there. Well, were you Mr Vallely and, if not, would you please acknowledge your hearsay evidence?

Third, he indulges in a rather snide attack on the organizer, Pamela Geller, whom he portrays as a dangerous lunatic. While I agree that views may differ about Ms Geller, Mr Vallely was less than fair in failing to mention the main thesis of her position – that it is Islamic texts upon which Islamists world-wide, including ISIS, rely to justify barbarism and the murder of innocents. This is incontrovertible. Must Ms Geller be rubbished, then, for speaking the truth? As for her views on Mr Obama, the growing evidence is, to be as kind as possible, that he really does not “love America” as he should. Geller’s position on this is widely shared. Incidentally, the so-called ‘blasphemy’ of depicting Mohammed is gainsaid by the many images of him painted down the Islamic centuries.

Fourth, Mr Vallely refers to the Charlie Hebdo massacre but omits all reference to the solidarity with the dead cartoonists demonstrated by millions of French people and, in particular, the massive protest in Paris on 11 January supported by over 40 world leaders. To shrink away and hide after that would have signaled abject surrender. The Moslem killers would, like the forms of action, have ruled us from their graves.

But yes, with freedom there is responsibility. It’s why, in relation to speech, we have a law of defamation. Yet truth is a defence and provocation cannot be used to excuse calculated murder. In any event, which Mohammed was lampooned, the Prophet of Medina and Jihad or the Prophet of Mecca and the ‘religion of peace’? If the former, Ms Geller and countless others say there is nothing to respect and to do so is ultimately to connive at our own destruction. Being a ‘nice guy’, as Mr Vallely is, and respecting those who don’t respect our values, nor Christians and Jews, nor anyone else very much, is not an answer to blooded knives and severed heads.

Yours sincerely,
(Revd) Clifford Hall

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ridgerunner
ridgerunner
8 years ago

While O’Reilly hides the results of his poll on whether it is ok to “mock Mohammad”. Even that poll kicked his butt. An honest poll would be, “Do you support drawing Mohammad to protect the first amendment?”

antymaggot
antymaggot
8 years ago

muslims claim to have right of way while driving cars, is that mean we have to pull over and let them go first ?

Charles Martel
Charles Martel
8 years ago
Reply to  antymaggot

Of course, all dhimmis had to step off the sidewalk to allow muslims walk by in the moderate and inclusive world of the Cordoba caliphate. Why not in the new caliphates?

defcon 4
defcon 4
8 years ago
Reply to  Charles Martel

As a holy quotation from islamic scripture states: “push the unbelievers to the narrowest part of the road”.

milt w
milt w
8 years ago
Reply to  antymaggot

Sure do then when your sure their really ahead of you push real hard on that long slender break pedal.
If that doesn’t work first time repeat until the virgins show up.

pennant8
pennant8
8 years ago

We keep hearing from the “but” heads that the right of free speech must be practiced responsibly. What they don’t get is that it is irresponsible not to defend, challenge and push back against greatest threat to freedom in general, and free speech in particular in the world today – aggressive doctrinaire by the book Islam.

Michael Copeland
Michael Copeland
8 years ago

WE ARE COMING FOR YOU

We will target you in your homes.
We will target you in your businesses.
We will target you in your synagogues and your churches.
You are the enemies of Islam.
For the sake of Allah we are coming for you.

Islamic bomb plotter Derrick Shareef, 2006, 35 years sentence USA
http://b1ff5939f6.nxcli.net/2015/05/phoenix-mosque-attended-by-garland-jihadis-spawned-two-other-terrorists.html/#sthash.Npaea1Xd.dpuf

This was the warning in 2006. There were no drawings to “provoke” muslims then.

larry
larry
8 years ago

For the sake of alla I wipe my ass to remove any dingleberries that muhammid would otherwise feed on while he’s kissing it…!!

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VenaCBrooks
8 years ago
Reply to  larry

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Carlo Martell
Carlo Martell
8 years ago

BRING IT ON MOTHERFUCKERS BECAUSE THIS IS WHERE YOU WILL MEET YOUR FALSE god !!!!

Neville Chamberlain
Neville Chamberlain
8 years ago

We must show respect to people who want to chop our heads off and rape our kids, and reverence to their head-chopping child-raping prophet, or they will be even more motivated to chop our heads off and rape our kids.

Nathan
Nathan
8 years ago

We have to ask.. where do we want to draw the line? We will have to eventually. You all know that.

Is it at this laughable offence, or later, at the rape of our children?
I think drawing the line here is preferable to drawing the line later.
Ban the qur’an! It’s flypaper for the mentally deranged.

Keith
Keith
8 years ago
Reply to  Nathan

We have already gone past the rape of our children, what with Rotherham, Rochdale, Oxford and about 22 other British towns, thanks to PC councils Police and Social Workers. I suggest you look at any towns and cities with muslim populations in the US, Canada, France, Germany and elsewhere. So obviously the rape of our children is another “red line” crossed.
Where will we draw the line, I have no idea although I believe we should not use an act but should use a time to draw the line. That time should be NOW, no more beheadings, gang rapes, child rapes all in the name of Islam.

Marco
Marco
8 years ago

The butt headed left got into power because of wide open freedom of speech. Now they want to “responsibly” curtail it. Nazi’s

Robert Bayer
Robert Bayer
8 years ago

Pamela .. Now I hope you understand why I had such brutal distasteful posts months ago against a leftist troll (who BTW retreated in humiliation in the end) … I sensed you didn’t approve at the time but … the stakes are so high .. western civilization and democracy .. that all of those who would support these .. have to have some fire and chutzpa till we shout them down with logic, the truth, and ridicule.
I will not submit .. I will not back down .. until all of Islam is destroyed or is reformed from a cult of death and oppression into something everyone in our world can live in peace with.
The leftists are attacking the defenders of freedom in every way they can .. dishonestly ..disingenuously …with repulsive ideas and lies .. So do not go quietly into that night ..
Our attitude as those who support freedom and human rights has to be that the “evil cultists” are the ones who are going down, NOT US …whether in a battle of ideas, wills, or on the field of battle.

mgyver
mgyver
8 years ago

HOW CAN I BE AS LOVED BY THE CONFUSED MUSLIMS AS PAMELA IS..?????

SJS
SJS
8 years ago
Reply to  mgyver

1. You are.
2. Muslims are not confused. We are.

mgyver
mgyver
8 years ago
Reply to  SJS

YEA ..!!!!JUST LOOK AT ALL THE CHOPPED OFF HEADS AND OH YEA THE MARTYR THING…. HOW’S THAT WORKIN’ FOR YA…?????…ALLAH IS THE FIRST ON THE LIST AS THE NUMBER ONE ANTICHRIST LED BY SATAN’S TEACHING… NEXT TO HOMOSEXUALITY IT’S AN EVEN SPLIT…..

dm
dm
8 years ago

Amazing letter. Just proves some people around the world see islam and obama for what they are. Too bad so many, especially in America, are so blind.

John Boston
John Boston
8 years ago

I am also afraid. I am afraid not of death, but of pain and having to leave loved ones behind. But current events, especially the reaction to Pamela Geller’s Mohammed art contest, have stirred me to action.

I am having a T-shirt made with the infamous “bombhead” Mohammed cartoon on the front. If the company (Custom Ink) will print it, I will wear it. I invite anyone else of stouter heart than myself to do the same. The Islamofascists cannot kill all of us.

That is really the whole idea: to show that we are not going to let fear rule our freedom. To quote Patrick Henry, “give me liberty or give me death.”

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