[ April 23, 2024 ]
The Washington Post does an extensive piece on our win for free speech and begrudgingly reports on our many other victories. They describe the Hamas jihadi in our ad (above) as “a young man in a checkered headscarf” (he looks more like an executioner). That should sum up their pathology in a nutshell.
They make sure to leave allah out of the headline:
“‘Killing Jews is Worship’ posters will soon appear on NYC subways and buses,” By Michael E. Miller, Washington Post, April 22, 2015
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An ad from the pro-Israel American Freedom Defense Initiative is seen on a Southeastern Pennsylvania Transportation Authority bus. (Matt Rourke/AP)
New Yorkers are used to aggressive advertising. Banners for breast implants. Billboards for condoms. But a federal judge’s ruling has opened the door for far more controversial posters on buses and subways across the city.
“Killing Jews is Worship that draws us close to Allah,” reads one such ad next to the image of a young man in a checkered headscarf. “That’s His Jihad. What’s yours?”
The poster is at the center of heated legal debate over public safety and free speech. On Tuesday, U.S. District Judge John Koeltl ruled that New York’s Metropolitan Transportation Authority (MTA) cannot stop the controversial ad from running on scores of subway cars and buses.
The MTA has argued that the ad could incite violence against Jews, but Koeltl rejected that idea.
MTA officials “underestimate the tolerant quality of New Yorkers and overestimate the potential impact of these fleeting advertisements,” he ruled. “Moreover, there is no evidence that seeing one of these advertisements on the back of a bus would be sufficient to trigger a violent reaction. Therefore, these ads — offensive as they may be — are still entitled to First Amendment protection.”
Making the case all the stranger is that the posters are not the work of an Islamist group, but rather a pro-Israel organization.
“This is a triumph for liberty and free speech,” tweeted Pamela Geller, the president of the American Freedom Defense Initiative (AFDI), the group that purchased the ads and sued the MTA to run them. “#freedom #victory #shariafail.”
AFDI is not your traditional free speech organization, however. The “about” section on its Web site starts out pretty straightforward, then takes a very hard turn.
“Our objective is to go on the offensive when legal, academic, legislative, cultural, sociological, and political actions are taken to dismantle our basic freedoms and values,” it says. “AFDI acts against the treason being committed by national, state, and local government officials, the mainstream media, and others in their capitulation to the global jihad and Islamic supremacism, the ever-encroaching and unconstitutional power of the federal government, and the rapidly moving attempts to impose socialism and Marxism upon the American people.”
The Southern Poverty Law Center considers AFDI an “anti-Muslim” hate group. This year, AFDI is organizing an inaugural Muhammad portrait contest, despite objections from Muslims who consider images of the prophet blasphemous.
Whatever you make of the group, AFDI has been remarkably successful in bringing its message to America. AFDI has filed at least nine lawsuits across the country, often against cities or their contractors that refuse to display their messages.
Those messages include a poster depicting Adolf Hitler meeting with “the leader of the Muslim world” and demanding that the United States cut off all aid to Islamic countries. “In any war between the civilized man and the savage, support the civilized man,” reads another AFDI poster. “Support Israel. Defeat Jihad.”
These posters have put AFDI on a crash course with both the MTA and Muslim advocacy groups. In 2011, the MTA refused to run the “savage” ad because it was demeaning to Muslims and Palestinians. AFDI sued, and a federal judge later ruled that MTA’s non-demeaning standard violated the First Amendment guarantee of free speech. The “savage” ads soon went up all over New York City.
AFDI’s ads have also drawn objections from Muslims. The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), a civil liberties group that promotes the rights of Muslims and better relations between Muslims and non-Muslims, launched its own public relations campaign to combat AFDI. In 2012 and 2013, CAIR ran posters in several U.S. cities promoting peaceful versions of Islam. “‘#MyJihad is to build friendships across the aisle.’ What’s yours?” But the ads never ran in New York due to a disagreement between CAIR and MTA.
With its echoing “What’s yours?,” AFDI’s latest and most controversial “Killing Jews” advertisement parodies CAIR’s campaign. Last summer, AFDI purchased space on 100 buses and subway cars for four of its ads. The MTA approved three of the ads but blocked the “Killing Jews” poster.
The poster attributes the “Killing Jews” quote to “Hamas MTV,” apparently a reference to the Palestinian group’s odd blend of violence and music videos. The ad also has a disclaimer at the bottom noting that it is “a paid advertisement sponsored by” AFDI and “does not imply MTA’s endorsement.”
But MTA Security Director Raymond Diaz worried that the poster would nonetheless incite violence, primarily against Jews. “What matters is not AFDI’s intent, but how the ad would be interpreted,” he wrote. The line “What is yours?” could be considered a “call to violence,” particularly because the CAIR posters it was mocking never appeared in New York. When AFDI pointed out that the exact same poster had not caused any problems in Chicago or San Francisco, Diaz argued that New York was different because it is “the prime terror target” and that the “terrorist security threat” had grown worse since 2013.
On Tuesday, however, Judge Koeltl tossed out those arguments and sided with AFDI. The ads could not reasonably be considered an incitement to violence, even if someone didn’t understand them.
“The defendants admit that the actual intention of the advertisement is not to advocate the use of force, but to parody the CAIR ‘My Jihad’ campaign and to criticize Hamas and radical Islam. However, they argue that a reasonable New Yorker would not read the advertisement this way, but would instead read it as advocating the killing of Jewish people,” Koeltl wrote. “The defendants’ theory is thoroughly unpersuasive.”
After AFDI’s victory, Geller posed for photos outside the federal courthouse while holding the “Killing Jews” advertisement.
“With our NY win, our ads will make their debut on New York buses in the coming weeks,” AFDI’s Web site promises above a “donate” button. “We want to run 100. Help us make that happen.”
But even if the ads don’t incite violence in New York City, they could overseas. Earlier this month, Egypt’s top religious authority called AFDI’s posters “racist” and issued a fatwa, or official edict, against them. “This hazardous campaign will leave the gate of confrontation and clashes wide open instead of exerting efforts towards peaceful coexistence and harmony,” according to the edict.
Hamas, the group cited on the ads, has not said whether it approves of the message.
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9 years ago
Just breaking 0bama press conference: Drone strike kills Muslim convert but unfortuately 2 hostageges, posibly a Jew and Catholic?
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/warren-weinstein-adam-gadahn-killed-u-s-operation-n346861
D
9 years ago
Those stealth holocaust deniers at the misnamed Reason Magazine have a whining article on Pamela’s free speech victory. At the end of the comments section, I taunted the Libertarian antisemites and mentioned that I have given money to support those ads. The Libertarians have been captured by antisemites from Ron Paul to Carol Moore; etc., and should not be supported. Ayn Rand said they plagiarized her ideas and turned them into garbage. I agree with Ayn Rand on this.
9 years ago
Reply to
Howard J. Barnett
Immediate disqualification of what? Ayn Rand herself disqualified Ayn Rand as a Libertarian, but fully qualified herself as hypocrite.
Cartoon face here seems to have simply stated that the dregs of the party, too batsh!t crazy for mainstream GOP’ism (if there is any such thing anymore), pulled an Ayn Rand-ism of their own, furthering their own agendas to the detriment of reason, and the plagiarism of garbage… Seems a legit assessment.
8 years ago
Reply to
Sxxxx Wxxxx
Merely mentioning her name in any context other than “excellent for ridicule” is a disqualification. Sorry If I wasn’t clear.
9 years ago
Where do these people get off mocking others in this manner? Don’t they see that they draw “anti-Semitism” to themselves by prejudising against everyone else (specifically Muslims, largely because they can’t let go of events from 3-4,000 years ago)? But hey, I’m sure I’m going to be accused of anti-Semitism just for having the nerve to criticize them in any way. I’m just shocked that ANY Jew would engage in such bigoted behavior with the Holocaust in the history of the religion, but here it is, more and more anti-Muslim propaganda – was Hitler an enemy, or a good teacher???? It’s hard to tell when his battle strategy so closely mirrors Joshua’s.
Sad thing is, Jews like the AFDI are the Jewish equivalent of Al Qaeda and Westboro Baptist Church, and are not representative of all Jews, or even a very large portion of them. But I guess there are loudmouthed, opinionated, bigoted jerks in every crowd. Terrorism starts with propaganda like this, and so has all anti-Semitism throughout history.
I really like the hypocritical “Stop the Hate” on the billboards. “Stop the Hate against our Approved Groups, but you can hate this group all you want” is more accurate.
As for “Holocaust deniers,” they’re all Jews too. Jews may have been the largest single group Hitler targeted, but if anyone is in denial, it’s Jewish people who ignore the other SEVEN MILLION PEOPLE who were imprisoned and killed in those concentration camps, some of whom would have been my great aunts and uncles had they survived.
I’m not anti-Semitic, I’m anti-sphincter, and this behavior definitely has that fecal stink. It’s one thing to aggressively defend a group from oppression; it’s another thing entirely to promote oppression and aggression toward another group – that’s called “starting a war,” and hasn’t it been done to the Jewish people enough throughout history for them to know NOT to constantly be the aggressor? Obviously not to the extremist Jews. Really makes one wonder if the “Protocols of the Elders of Zion,” despite being a plagiarism of a work that had nothing to do with Jews, wasn’t onto something.
9 years ago
Reply to
Shiroe
The ongoing hate speeches on networks like IRIB, HispanTV, Islam Channel (UK), Al-Ma3ali, and so on, are NOT “from 3-4,000 years ago” (here’s a preview: http://makkahlive.net/islamictv.aspx – pick a channel, any channel).
Anjem Choudary telling Muslims that the Quran justifies things like burning people alive, and extolling them to use welfare as a “Jihad allowance”, is happening NOW, not “3-4,000 years ago”. http://www.businessinsider.com/anjem-choudary-muslim-preacher-explains-government-assistance-to-fund-jihad-holy-war-2013-2
ISIS beheading Christians and posting the videos online, is far worse than some billboards, and yet you bitch about “hypocrisy” while not mentioning anything about those hate crimes.
Before condemning an ad campaign, at least make a token effort to acknowledge and condemn the ACTUAL murder, rape, pedophilia, and persecution of people based on their religion and sexual orientation. Maybe then you won’t sound like a damn hypocrite.
9 years ago
Reply to
A.K.
I agree with you, it is a serious problem very much in the present. It needs to be stopped. I disagree with this ad campaign though, it would be one thing if it focused on ISIS or the awful individuals, but that is not what the ad does. It portrays ALL Muslims as violent killers, which they most certainly are not. It’s the equivalent of portraying all Christians as the Westboro Baptist Church, which would also be wrong. There are good and bad individuals in every group, and the whole group should not be condemned based on the crimes of the few. I agree, certain offshoots are committing atrocities, and I would completely agree with the ad if it specifically targeted those offshoots. However, as it stands it is anti-Muslim propaganda that I feel could incite violence towards Muslim individuals who have done no harm to anyone.
9 years ago
Reply to
Alexis Taylor
“I agree with you, it is a serious problem very much in the present. It needs to be stopped. I disagree with this ad campaign though, it would be one thing if it focused on ISIS or the awful individuals, but that is not what the ad does. It portrays ALL Muslims as violent killers, which they most certainly are not.”
It does nothing of the kind. You are displaying about as much common sense as Jake Sully above. The ad points out what islamic doctrine teaches. Period. .
But the founder of islam, Mohammad, WAS a violent killer according to islam’s own “holy books”. What does that say about muslims? What kind of sicko do you have to be to belong to a religion whose prophet was a mass murderer, a child rapist, a sex slave trader, a torturer and beheader?
9 years ago
Reply to
Alexis Taylor
Um, how many people have members of the Westboro Baptist Church killed since 9-11 dimbulb? Ever heard of an argument of false equivalence?
9 years ago
Reply to
Alexis Taylor
” Stop the Hate ” Yup , incites everyone to violence against muslims . Might be cross threaded , just unscrew until you feel a ‘click’ , and then you can get your head screwed on rightways .
Validate your 2nd Amendment Rights . Carry
9 years ago
Reply to
Shiroe
Wow, just wow!
Your post was a load of BS.
-Historically Jews have never been the oppressors, always the oppressed.
-Your not so sure if hitler was evil? are you mentally ill? And yes, Joshua just like hitler killed millions of people in gas chambers…wtf.
-Because 6 million jews were killed in germany, it’s the jews fault? It’s their fault for not preaching about the deaths of the other minorities over the deaths of their own people? The majority of jews in the world at the time were killed by hitler, why the hell would jews be trying to deny this?
-“Really makes one wonder if the Protocols of the Elders of Zion
wasn’t onto something”. Yes the jews rule the underground world… along with the Easter bunny.
I don’t agree with this add that posts an inflammatory message regarding another religion because it incites hate towards other people. However I am certain that the idea behind the add is to educate people about some of the inbred beliefs that Muslims may harbor. I am sure that other religions may harbor similar feelings towards other religions, however time and again, it is Muslims, not Jews or Christians etc, who act on these beliefs and continue to brutally kill innocent people.
9 years ago
Reply to
Jake Sully
“I don’t agree with this add that posts an inflammatory message regarding another religion because it incites hate towards other people”
The only people inciting hate toward muslims are muslims themselves. Pointing out their beliefs and behavior isn’t inciting anything. Sheesh, what do you use for common sense? To follow your logic, no one could ever criticize islamic jihad. That is exactly what the jihadists are pushing for, laws prohibiting criticism. All that will lead to is an islamic USA. How do you think it is going to be stopped, with hope?
9 years ago
Reply to
vlparker
To accuse Muslims in general of being murderers or potential murderers is like accusing anyone who lives in Columbia of being a drug dealer. Yes, we should condemn and fight islamic jihad with every means possible. We should fight violence, and expose violent beliefs, but you cannot accuse Muslims in general of crimes they have not committed.
9 years ago
Reply to
Jake Sully
I don’t notice your innocent musswein protesting one bit that Hamas and other musswein repeatedly express their desire to kill Jews for allah.
9 years ago
Reply to
Jake Sully
Where does anyone accuse muslims in general of being murderers? The ad certainly doesn’t. It merely points out what islam is teaching in its texts. And every word of the ad is true. The ad is an indictment of islam, not of any person or group of persons.
However, I personally wouldn’t trust any muslim as far as I can spit. How can I tell the good muslim from the bad muslim? When such a large percentage of muslims engage in violence and the number of muslims who protest the violence is virtually zero, what would any sane person believe except that the ones who don’t engage in physical violence nonetheless support it? The only time you see large groups of muslims protest anything, they are always protesting against freedom of speech or “islamophobia”. What kind of person do you have to be to belong to a religion founded by a mass murderer? A real sick one if you ask me.
9 years ago
Reply to
Shiroe
You sad fool. Muslims aligned themselves with Hitler in WW2 and have never rescinded that barbaric belief.
9 years ago
Reply to
tallron
I like how 3,900 years of regional history gets dumped to rationalize Jewish bullying of others over the past century. Shows a disingenuous form of revisionist history. And while most here are whining about Islam being formed as a violent, antisemitic regime you’ve all ignored that it’s anti-Jewish as a direct result of some 3,000 plus years of Hebrew genocide against non-Hebrew Middle Easterners, well before Islam could be used as an excuse. The AFDI wants the same thing Arabs wanted in 600 CE, when Islam was formed.
Jack Sully, *I* know Hitler was evil. I’m just not sure the Jews know, since they’re using the same tactics that began the Nazi campaign against them, against Islam. Propaganda like this signage they fought for was used by the Nazis to incite Germany against them. So how do Jews REALLY view Hitler’s actions if they are today mimicking his propaganda and genocide?
9 years ago
Reply to
Shiroe
“3000 plus years of Hebrew genocide”. Do you have any historical support for that statement? Or just the opinion of your imam, mullah, ayatollah?
9 years ago
Reply to
IslamIsFascism
If the Bible and Torah can be considered historical documentation, I’ve got both of those. Even if not history, it is still celebrated religiously that Joshua and several other Hebrew leaders raped, maimed and murdered every man, woman, and child in the region that wasn’t Hebrew.
Also, since I believe ALL organized religion is blasphemous and manipulative, I have no imam, no priest, no rabbi to tell me what to think.
9 years ago
Reply to
Shiroe
So you’ve found one example. Did Joshua live for 3000 years?
Do you have to remind yourself of when it’s time to breathe?
8 years ago
Reply to
IslamIsFascism
I don’t need to remind myself when it’s time to breathe, but you clearly do. You’re such an extremist you can’t see beyond your own nose. “One example”? No, the entire Old Testament glorifies the Hebrews going around what is now Syria, Lebanon, Iran, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia slaughtering wholesale anyone they found who wasn’t Hebrew. Judaism and Christianity have celebrated those slaughters ever since. How about someone comes to your house, slaughters your family, and then dances around telling everyone how awesome they are because they did it? Wouldn’t that make you want to retaliate? What you’re missing is that the Jews have been doing exactly that for FOUR THOUSAND YEARS. It took the Arabs about 2,400 years to get sick enough of it to do something about it. Islam is merely a result of oppression that took place for millennia before Islam was formed. The Hebrews were not ENTITLED to commit their atrocities any more than Islam is today, yet even today Judaism and Christianity both celebrate it like it was the Hebrews’ right. If you were on the receiving end of that, if YOU were the people being slaughtered and oppressed for a couple thousand years, would you just lay down and take it quietly?
But what I see here is that you’re a zealot and an extremist, and so are a lot of people posting on this page, which makes all of you no better than Al Qaeda or Westboro Baptist Church, just with different beliefs to be extreme about. (You especially, as you clearly have never read the Quran or have any understanding of mainstream Islam, preferring instead to spew uneducated, populist, low-information puss out of your brain, starting with your very name….) If ignorance is bliss, there are some very happy people here.
By the way, as soon as the smear campaign with the advertising is done, are we going to insist all Muslims wear gold crescent moons at all times, so we can tell them apart from “real people”?
8 years ago
Reply to
Shiroe
Dear mouth breather, your attempt at an argument of false equivalence (i.e. comparing the Westboro Baptist Church to Al Qaida) might be better termed reductio ad absurdum because only a rank idiot would buy into the comparison.
Yeah, I’m just like Al Qaida, moron.
Um, the Amakelites, among others, attacked the ancient Hebrews first. It’s called self defense.
8 years ago
Reply to
Shiroe
Why don’t you go and openly practice your beliefs in some Islamic majority country. A poll of muslims http://www.comres.co.uk/polls/bbc-radio-4-today-muslim-poll/ in the UK in February 2015 showed
One in four (27%) British Muslims say they have some sympathy for the motives behind the attacks on Charlie Hebdo in Paris.
However, two thirds (68%) say acts of violence against those who publish
images of the Prophet can never be justified while a quarter (24%)
disagree.
Half (49%) believe Muslim clerics preaching that violence against the
west can be justified are out of touch with mainstream Muslim opinion,
while 45% disagree.
Those results as far as I am concerned certainly shows that Islam is certainly no religion of peace. After all less than half of muslims in the UK believe preachers of violence are out of touch with muslim public opinion.
Extrapolate those results world wide and you have approximately 400 million (assuming 1.6 billion muslims in the world) muslims who believe that killing in the name of Islam is justified. If someone believes that killing is justified for anything it is only a short step to doing the actual deed.
What would you think if a poll of Christians showed that 24% supported
killing non Christians over perceived insults to their religion.
8 years ago
Reply to
Keith
I do openly practice my belief that all organized religion is evil and blasphemous in a country that allows me freedom of religion. Why, does my use of my First Amendment rights hurt your bigoted propaganda?
8 years ago
Reply to
Shiroe
I notice you haven’t actually managed to comment on the BBC Radio 4 poll in any way shape or form. I am glad you are confident enough to practice your beliefs in a country that allows you that freedom. As I said why don’t you go and practice your beliefs in an Islamic country and see how far that gets you.
Your use of your First Amendment rights don’t hurt me at all, I wish my country, the UK had the same guarantee of free speech but still maybe one day.
Remember that your much valued First Amendment is useless if people don’t stand up and defend it. If you allow muslims to control what you can and can’t say about Islam your much vaunted First Amendment is just some words on a scrap piece of paper that might just as well be used as toilet paper.
To see who controls a country look at who can’t be criticised.
8 years ago
Reply to
Keith
In the United States, it’s the Jews who can’t be criticized, or the critic is labeled antisemitic. So thank you very much for playing!
8 years ago
Reply to
Keith
Incidentally, Keith, I was referring to freedom of religion, also guaranteed in the First Amendment.
9 years ago
Reply to
Well Done
No, there were no Muslims, they came after 2,400 years of being opressed and brutalized by the Hebrews, idiot. Study your ancient history before you rationalize modern bigotry.
9 years ago
Reply to
Shiroe
Arabs oppressed by Jews ? A lot of geography inbetween the two , and the Arabs conquered everything , including parts of Europe , and including Israel , what there was of it . Post BC is not ancient history , and islam started in the seventh century BC .
9 years ago
Reply to
aebe
Well, 4,000 BCE is pretty ancient, and that’s when the Hebrews started their antics against their neighbors in what is now the Middle East. The history of Jewish oppression starts long before the history of Islam, and Islam’s roots seem to be a consequence of events dating between 4,000 BCE and 600 CE.
But again, the most important thing here is that for thousands of years spanning before and after the creation of Islam, Jews and Christians alike have been celebrating the wholesale slaughter of the people who eventually became the Muslims, and now have the nerve to wonder why an entire violent culture has arisen protesting this. Sometimes I really do wish for a war where all the belligerent Abrahamic religious of all three faiths go out and kill each other in the name of Jehovah/Jesus/Allah, away from everybody else, and leave the world to we the sensible.
9 years ago
I wouldn’t think such a poster would incite violence against Jews, I would be more concerned it would incite violence against Muslims. People see that, and then believe Muslims are violent murderers… sure, some of them are, so are some who identify themselves as Christian, Jewish, Hindu, etc. Thousands (if not millions) of people have died in the name of Christianity (Crusades). Every group has its good and its bad, and you shouldn’t incite violence against an entire group based on the actions of the bad (who in general are the minority). An equivalent of this would be posting on a bus “Killing homosexuals is worship that brings us closer to God. That’s his will. What’s yours?” and having a picture of a Christian man. I’d imagine not only homosexuals would be offended but also the Christian community, it’s wrong to compare every Christian to the Westboro Baptist Church, it’s wrong to compare every Muslim to a killer.
Oh, and jihad has actually only recently been interpreted to mean “holy war” by the select few jerks of the group. Previously, and still today for most Muslims, it refers to an internal struggle between right and wrong. Much how Christians must struggle to keep faith and resist the temptations of sin, Muslims have similar struggles, they just made a word for it, ‘jihad’.
9 years ago
Reply to
Alexis Taylor
Clueless, clueless, clueless. The muslims don’t need any incitement to commit violence against the Jews other than what is in the Koran and the Hadiths. They have been doing it for centuries. There have been over 25,000 islamic terrorist attacks worldwide since 9-11 that have resulted in death. No other group of people is even on the same planet as muslims when it comes to violence. Take of the PC blinders and look at reality.
The Crusades were a response by the Christian world to islamic aggression. And when the Christians were killing in the name of their religion they were going against the teachings of their prophet. The violent muslims are following the teachings and example of their prophet. Big difference. One religion mandates violence and the other prohibits it.
Watch the video of the muslim’s behavior at Pamela’s speech at Brooklyn College and then ask yourself a question. When was the last time you saw a gathering of muslims in any significant numbers protest the violence committed in the name of their religion? The answer is never. But they were out in force for Pam’s speech.
9 years ago
Reply to
Alexis Taylor
The Crusades weren’t killing in the name of Christianity, they were in fact a struggle to turn back the tide of Islam. Your concern about “inciting violence against Islam” is simple-minded and absurd.
9 years ago
The only way ANYTHING is ever going to change is if people bury the hatchet (NOT in each other’s heads), and accept that different people worship different gods, or none at all, in some cases, look different and live different lifestyles.
But then again, that would require worldwide acceptance and heaven knows we can’t have THAT…..
9 years ago
Reply to
Ashley Witmer
Gee, isn’t it funny that Christians and Jews and Buddhists and Hindus and Sikhs and Voodoo practitioners can all get along together, but none of them can get along with islam? I wonder why?
9 years ago
Reply to
Ashley Witmer
Were you raised in a barn or something? Can’t you see that ragheads will NEVER accept ANYONE else’s beliefs, until they are all exterminated?!
8 years ago
Reply to
Agent153Orange
“If anyone desires a religion other than Islam never will it be accepted of him;”
Koran 3:85, part of Islamic law.
8 years ago
Reply to
Agent153Orange
K. Done with this conversation. I don’t deal with people who try to make me feel like shit over my opinions and I don’t deal with people who are racist. You’re allowed to think what you want to think and go ahead and call people what you want to call them, but that’s a discussion I want no part of.
1 Corinthians 10:31-32 “Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, orwhatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God. Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God:”
Peace out.
8 years ago
Reply to
Ashley Witmer
I am concerned that you are uninformed about islam and the religious beliefs of muslims. Here in the USA we are generally broad-minded and accepting of the rights of others to their own beliefs. However, with islam we are not accorded that respect in return. Here is some information about islam which you should read:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/islam-101
http://www.jihadwatch.org/quran-commentary
This is a site at which many former muslims share information and history about islam. Many times there are personal experiences recounted:
http://www.islam-watch.org
9 years ago
Pamela Geller is one of the most disgusting people on earth. You know, this level of racism is OK when you’re a rich Jew. F**k her and anyone who aligns with her.
9 years ago
Reply to
Slippy McFistytits
You’re “one of the most disgusting people on earth.” Islam is not a race. It’s a totalitarian ideology like Nazism, posing as a religion. It kills people who criticize or leave it. Its warlord pedophile “prophet” mass murdered Jews and bragged he was made victorious with terror. You either know nothing of Islam’s history or lie about it. Pam tells the truth about it. You’re disgusting. Pam is a patriot and a hero beloved by truth tellers worldwide.
D
9 years ago
Reply to
Slippy McFistytits
Judaism doesn’t take converts so easily. It has more racial charicteristics among its adherents than Islam does. This does not mean Jews today are Khazars. This is another antisemitic lie.
Incidentally, in all of this, it is not the Jews who say death to America. It is the murderous Muslims who do and you are covering up for them with your fables or ignorance about Jews.
9 years ago
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Slippy McFistytits
Clearly you would F%&K anyone that has a rectum, you Nazi turd.
9 years ago
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Slippy McFistytits
Ah, the tried and true leftist tactic of debate. F you, f you. Got no facts on your side so all you can do is insult.
9 years ago
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Slippy McFistytits
Flagged , and not just for the fun of it , you foul mouthed cretin .
9 years ago
Now let’s do the same thing with Christians and gays
9 years ago
Peaceful coexistence and harmony with unbelievers are not part of Islamic doctrine.
9 years ago
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D Brown
Actually, it is, and was a part of some of our greatest periods in history (the Muslim gave us numbers, Algebra, and a use for irrational numbers). Needs some tweaking for the masses, more than the moderates, but that’s always going to be the case.
9 years ago
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Sxxxx Wxxxx
What a maroon, the Greeks were using algebraic equations before the Quran existed (e.g. the Pythagorean theorem).
D
9 years ago
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IslamIsFascism
The Muslims dragged the Indian symbols for numbers to general consumption. I don’t think they invented those symbols for numbers, but they did popularize them. Try doing multiplication in Roman Numerals to see how bulky it is.
9 years ago
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Sxxxx Wxxxx
Yeah, I can’t wait to take my vacation in Saudi Arabia so I can visit all their museums of art, music and scientific achievement. .
9 years ago
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Sxxxx Wxxxx
The people who gave us these things were SECULAR Arabs — the very ones whom the muzzies KILLED for not believing in all the shit that’s in the Koran! Just look at how they persecuted Avicenna and murdered Biruni, just for example!
8 years ago
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Agent153Orange
Wrong. You can make up your own facts, but don’t expect to put them on the internet and not get called out on it.
Avicenna died of colic, himself, choosing a fast life to a lingering death, and where do you see that al-Biruni was murdered!?
8 years ago
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Sxxxx Wxxxx
I never said anything about Avicenna’s death — I DID say that he was PERSECUTED during his life, and this is TRUE! As for Biruni, yes I was wrong about him having been murdered (this came from a Russian source which was false) — but he WAS exiled and imprisoned for his secular views numerous times during his lifetime! (And the same was true for Al-Hazen — he spent most of his life as a prisoner!)
9 years ago
From the same Neo-Con idiots that want to bring you Portrait the Prophet Day!? These idiots are just wrong, Jews and “victims” or not, they ARE the Jewish equivalent of the extremists they fight, the Westboro Mob, and any group that fights fire with gasoline.
By alienating the Moderates, those that are our best chance at inroads to the Extremists, and further antagonizing the entirety with nothing more intellectually minded or solution based than attention grabbing, lowest common denominator based, gut reactive *hate* — they are fomenting the problems they seem to seek to quell. Idiots. An embarrassment to Jews and American Values.
9 years ago
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Sxxxx Wxxxx
“Moderates” worship the same pedophile warlord as “extremists.” Muhammad was the first Muslim terrorist. “Moderates” can’t change that, so they lie about it, pretending Muhammad was peaceful. He wasn’t.
Muhammad: “I have been made victorious with terror” http://www.quranexplorer.com/hadith/english/index.html?page=Hadith%2Fbukhari%2F004.052.220.html
Muhammad: “I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim.” http://www.quranexplorer.com/hadith/english/index.html?page=Hadith%2FMuslim%2F019.4366.html
Muhammad to Jews: “the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle, and I wish that I should expel you from this land.” http://www.quranexplorer.com/hadith/english/index.html?page=Hadith%2FMuslim%2F019.4363.html
9 years ago
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wakeup333
And so your plan is what exactly, to keep insulting them instead of letting the Moderates modernize the religion… Like Moderate Christians have done to the same archaic history of the Christian world – only don’t pretend the history of the Christians isn’t far worse considering their offensive stance of blaming Jew’s for Jesus, wiping out the New World and other colonies’ heretical or pagan nonbelievers, The Inquisition, The Pogrom’s, Anti-Woman’s Rights, The American KKK and the war on inferior peoples or outsiders, Christian Science Anti-Science, Snake Charming Pentacostals, Abortion Bombings, LGBT Hate… should I go on?
Every religion that started before democratic principles and widespread education/science has had to change towards a modern episteme. To blame the Muslim for their arcane is to forget your own and the opportunities to change that have “allowed you” to change.
9 years ago
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Sxxxx Wxxxx
I’m an atheist, so don’t blame me for religion! As bad as the Old Testament and Christian imperialism were, there’s only one religion today that kills those who criticize or leave it: Islam.Christians & Jews don’t force women to wear tents, don’t burn captives alive, don’t cut heads off & don’t want to change the world into a totalitarian theocracy.
Equating Islam with Christianity & Judaism today is false & dangerous. Only one religion today threatens freedom of speech, secular government and women’s rights: Islam. Pretending it doesn’t is insane & suicidal.
You can’t provoke Islamic supremacists. Doing nothing, they’ll still cut your head off & try to force Islam on everyone worldwide.
Moderates can’t soften Islam. To do that, they’d have to denounce Muhammad and Islam’s horrific history, which they can’t. The Islam they push is fantasy, which is why extremists beat moderates in debates. Extremists quote the Quran & Hadiths. Moderates can’t refute what they quote.
What should we do? Support moderates, but realize their goal is futile, so at the same time, expose the horror of Islam’s past & present, to destroy the suicidal myth that Islam was ever peaceful.
9 years ago
Reply to
wakeup333
Blame you for religion? Not sure where this was headed, but if it helps you start a sentence… What I’d blame you for, besides opening your mouth without thinking, or calm, is your self-absorbed stance on history and others.
Moderates can’t soften Islam? Moderate anything can’t soften Extremist anything, anywhere, unless they use their intelligence and principles to create the framework towards change, which the moderates are trying to do, just as every antiquated people emerging from an inability to affect change has.
For an atheist, your “eye for an eye” ritualization is pretty religulous.
9 years ago
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IslamIsFascism
He’s all of the above. If we wait for moderates to reform islam, our great great great grandchildren will all be dead. Which moderates does this clown think are going to reform it, I wonder. The ones who attended Pamela’s speech?
8 years ago
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vlparker
@vlparker
If islam hasn’t been reformed after over a thousand years who’s to say it’ll ever be reformed?
9 years ago
Reply to
Sxxxx Wxxxx
There will be no change in islam , there is no drive to modernize the insanity that is contained in the koran . The present trend is to use islam as a reason for destruction , and progressives wish them well , as they also hope for the destruction of western civilization .
The KKK was started by Democrats , and you cannot truthfully call yourself a Christian if you follow progressive cant .
Validate your 2nd Amendment Rights . Carry
8 years ago
Reply to
aebe
It seems the issue here is more one of history and demographics… and the cavemen on both sides, every side, that ruin things for the whole (as evidenced by some of the trolling, aggressive posts… Curious how some of these idiots think they’re going to angry-stupid their way past over a billion Muslims?). Comparing US or European Muslims to Saudi or Yemeni Muslims, or the Sudanese to the Emirati or progressive Persians, or any of them to the Indonesian or Malay, the differences are as obvious as they are here in the West. How many times have you heard the Tea Party referred to as the American Taliban for their regressive or arcane views, religulousness, treatment of LGBT, the working classes, women, etc…? It wasn’t so long ago we vilified the Warsaw Pact “Commies” in the same way for their poverty and programmed opposition to “freedom,” while typically only those in power, or part of the machine, or unable to think for themselves, truly opposed Western Values more than Western Greed & Waste. 30 years later, and sidestepping the issues of the Russians in the Ukraine, and it’s like ancient history. Vietnam, China, Cuba, more of the same. Then there’s Japan, Germany… The South… It’s very unlikely we’re going to be able to treat an entire religion like a country or an Axis Power… Until we’ve separated ourselves from our own vices, and oil.
Also, and considering our history – the vilification of the West based on our Western Colonial Policies; how would you view the West if you lived there and suffered under their leadership after what we’ve done to them? What we’ve successively done to them (whether they “deserved” it or not), since the Crusades, and then the 1800’s… then The Balfour Declaration…, etc. For oil. How do you still feel about Dubaya Bush?
D
9 years ago
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Sxxxx Wxxxx
Neo Con is an anti word that stands for dirty-Conservative-Jews-who-stole-jobs-from-us-Paleoconservatives.. That is Pat Buchanan’s main complaint with Conservative Jews. And the so-called moderate Muslims probably applaud the so-called extremist Muslims in their depredations. The term moderate and extremist are lousy language used basically to smear advocates of Capitalism.
9 years ago
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Underzog
Here, because I’m guessing your not up to educating yourself, yourself, or doing anything about your flaming and inimical racist stylistic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism
“Extremist” and “moderate” you can do yourself. People like you are the reason we are constantly at war and losing as a country.
D
8 years ago
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Sxxxx Wxxxx
Racist? Islam is not a race. Also, I don’t consider wikipedia much of a source — especially regarding the Jews. The antisemitic Electronic Intifada and David Duke. Incidentally, the term you use is neo con — not NEOCONSERVATIVE (a term Michael Harrington coined). Neo Con means what I said it means as Buchanan scarcely uses the term neo conservative. Your attempt at deceit is further indicia of the falsity and idiocy of your stance.
8 years ago
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Underzog
Racist stylistic was the quote, but feel free to substitute “raging bigot,” works just fine in that sentence. You can try to split hairs or recreate definitions for mainstream terms or history for that matter — it doesn’t make it right. And that was fun, your trying to use big words like automobile and sound all adult at the end.
D
8 years ago
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Sxxxx Wxxxx
Typical collectivist debating tactics on your part, building a strawman and utter incoherence.
8 years ago
Reply to
Underzog
Poor cartoonhead. ;( Called out on your own Rite Wing delusions and your fold like the strawman you are, and then blame others… And “utter incoherence…?” You’re only digging yourself in deeper…
But that’s all the time I have for you. Hopefully you’ve learned something, that’d make all the time I’ve wasted, more worthwhile.
9 years ago
Hey guys, quick question. – So would it be fair to assume that the KKK is an accurate representation of Christianity and Christian culture/morality? Just wondering. I read somewhere that they’re a hate group. Does that mean they don’t actually represent what the Bible is preaching and it’s just some skewed portrayal? Oh wait, I mean that stuff can’t REALLY be what Christianity is all about, right? Since basically all of the Christian denominations denounced the KKK. So we can totally separate the two and not assume that racists and the KKK represent all Christians right? That makes sense.
But yeah those Muslims tho. They’re all cray. And the Quran obvvv is telling them to kill everyone. Sounds about right.
#Jewswithmoney
9 years ago
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LolThisArticle
“#Jewswithmoney is racist and offensive. Try Jews with a sides taking Neo-Con affiliation and/or suicide bombed children and too much hate to think clearly… Or is that not kitschy or trendy enough for you?
9 years ago
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LolThisArticle
Selling swatikas on the side, so you can leave Mom’s basement? Utter garbage.
9 years ago
What the hell is a “traditional free speech organization”? The SPLC that desperately tries to take away the free speech of others on behalf of islamic-nazism? Or CAIR? Or maybe the muslim-nazis that kill people who dare criticise islam, mohammed or musswein?
9 years ago
“Peaceful coexistence and harmony” is not the goal of any islamist .
Validate your 2nd Amendment Rights . Carry
9 years ago
So confusing, but jews are crazy.
8 years ago
If it took it’s veil off it is probably this.
