Check out my oped today in The American Thinker:
Jews Not Welcome to Buy Delta Tickets to Saudi Arabia
Pamela Geller
Once we accept these racist Sharia-compliant regulations, it is a slippery slope.Story continues below advertisement[….]
Saudi law bans Jews from entering Saudi Arabia, and Delta’s partnership with Saudi Arabian Airlines requires it to accept that law. That means if you’re Jewish or hold a passport from Israel and try to get on a flight to Jeddah out of New York or Washington, Delta employees will stop you.
Saudi Arabia is not the only country in the Middle East that forbids people with Israeli passports, as well as people who have simply visited Israel, from entering. Lebanon, Syria, Iran, and others don’t let Jews in, either. So Delta is respecting the entry regulations of Saudi Arabia, not adopting consciously discriminatory policies against Jews.
Why was the world up in arms over apartheid in South Africa but never says anything about this? Why isn’t there a global boycott of Saudi Arabia over its religious and gender apartheid? The world could afford to be self-righteous about South Africa, but needs Saudi oil — and Obama is doing nothing to drill here or open up our own oil reserves.
He should. These Saudi rules are not worthy of respect, and no U.S. company should accommodate them. It is illegal in the United States to discriminate on the basis of religion, and that’s the only law that Delta should respect.
UPDATE: Here is the paperwork for the pro-sharia trolls:
Imagine the protests in the streets if Delta Airlines were to tell Muslims that they could not fly somewhere because the local customs would not permit them to enter that country? And just how quickly would Rev. Al Sharpton be able to gather thousands to march against Delta Airlines if they would not allow black people onto their planes because the country where they were flying would not permit people of color to enter?
Those situations are impossible to conceive because they could never happen, right?
But Delta Airlines is facing a similar moral dilemma as they get are about to complete an alliance with Saudi Arabia. The Delta-Saudi deal means adding Saudi Arabian Airlines (SAA) to Delta’s SkyTeam Alliance. For the first time, this would allow Delta passengers to fly direct into Saudi Arabia, as long as passengers are not Jewish, do not have a passport from Israel or a passport that is stamped from Israel.
This issue was addressed back in April when attorney Jeffrey Lovitky sent the following letter to Delta;
Two weeks later, Mr. Lovitky received a response from Delta, and not from CEO Richard Anderson. Lovitky‘s letter was referred to ’Customer Care.’
The answer was quite clear. Delta did not see Saudi Arabia’s discrimination against Jews to be their problem. And yet, Mr. Lovitky presisted with his questions until he received this letter;
As far as Delta was concerned this was a dead issue. Dead until it was brought to the attention of former Congressman, Fred Grandy. Mr. Grandy was visiting some old friends on Capitol Hill earlier this week when these letters were handed to him. Fred and his wife are regular guests on the Jeff Katz morning show on Talk 1200 in Boston, and this past Wednesday they discussed the potential problems that might stem from Delta’s business alliance with Saudi Arabian Airlines.
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Come on Pam! I love you and what you stand for, but you are practicing something here that I thought you would never do. You are not really lying…..you’re just not telling the whole story, and you aren’t telling it in context.
Let me repeat: DAL has NO flights into SA. We do not now, nor are there plans to, code share or engage in any kind of business relationship with SAA. If you flew (insert name of ANY airline here) and your destination is anywhere in SA, if you do not meet the entry requirements of that country, you will be denied boarding at the international departure city. ANY airline Pamela! And the same entry standards apply to any other country. It isn’t Delta or United or American or US Airway’s fault that SA is a backward ass, fucked up muslim country! They all have a responsibility to inform their customers of the entry requirements of any country that passenger may want to go to. If you have decided to boycott DAL and set this standard up for them, then you had better apply the same standard to EVERY other airline you will ever do business with, and be prepared to subject them to the exact same kind of scrtiny and commie-lib style media assault that you are subjecting DAL to…. If you DO NOT do that, then you have a very serious hypocrisy problem, and your credibility and honesty could rightfully be called into suspiscion.
I am a 29 year Delta employee. Believe me, this IS NOT the same company I hired in with in 1982. We, like ALL large carriers, have our problems and challenges. Some we handle well…..some we don’t handle well at all. This whole bru-ha-ha about SAA is a contrived issue, cooked up by someone or something that has a real big pebble in their shoe about Delta. There is nothing there Pam! I love you and respect you and agree with just about everything you say and write! You are spot on! But on this one……you’ve been played my good friend. There is no monster named DELTA here!
Just shows how Shariah law and Judeo/Christian law are incompatible. They can’t let Jews in, and we can’t discriminate in the United States against any race. How can Delta or any company in the United States do business with these nations without abandoning their own people? We must stand up for human rights and demand these Shariah nations and companies stop their anti-Semitism. Until then, no business. Money is not the highest priority Delta.
I believe Pam
Joe, is Delta adding SA to it’s sky team alliance or no? Where did this story originate from? I am with you that it has been enlightening information, and all carriers are following the rules.. I guess what has been enlightening to me, is that Jews are denied entrance into certain countries. My feeling is that no US carrier should be submitting to that ‘rule’. I guess I have been ignorant on some subjects, and the more I learn, the more disgusted I am. I like Delta,but the TSA is a problem now too with their searching of 95 year old incontinent flyers. I think I will drive from here on out..
“No plans to”? How do you know? Been to any board meetings lately? Or do you think anyone believes the crap excreted by Delta’s PR dept.?
You have flights to Syria though, how does your airline handle the fact that people w/Israeli passport stamps aren’t allowed there?
You have flights to Lebanon as well. How do you handle the fact that people w/Israeli passport stamps aren’t allowed there either?
Nice job playing the blame game too. Just because everyone else does it, doesn’t make it right.
Just because Lebanon, UAE and Syria persecute Jews, doesn’t mean that makes it right for Morocco to do so as well (all of which are Muslo-nazi states your airline services).
If they love the Muslo-nazis, let the Muslo-nazis fund them — because I won’t. I’ll make goddamn sure none of my friends or relatives book flights on Delta’s antisemitic airline.
A TALE OF FOUR CITIES: CANADA AND THE UAE
Dr. Fred Lazar Schulich School of Business
York University ([email protected]
March 2011 http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/media/facts/documents/canada_uae_en.pdf
“These three airlines (Emirates, Etihad and Qatar) have more wide-body aircraft on order
than the entire US industry has in its current fleet. [I’ll pause to let you reflect on that –
the total longhaul lift capability of Delta plus United plus American plus Continental plus
US Airways doesn’t match up to the order book of just these three Gulf airlines]. 425
brand-new longhaul aircraft in the next five years – where will they fly? The answer, of
course, has to be everywhere.” (Ulrich Schulte-Strathaus, Secretary General, Association
of European Airlines, January 18, 2011)
Delta gets my business from now on
Pamela, why would ANY Jew who is not suicidal want to go to Saudi Arabia? IMO a more important question is this: Why in HELL are we letting these muslim bastards immigrate into out country and erect their goddamned mosques??? We should only let them build mosques in the USA when the Saudis let Christians and Jews build churches and synagogues in Mecca.
Don’t let the Emirates, Etihad and Qatar run any flights in the US. Maybe we can restrict the US domestic flight market to US airlines ONLY.
I wish it were as simple as just driving. Searching people at train and bus stations, subways, trolleys, and now even unscheduled “inspections” of cars and buses, are happening by TSA even as we speak. TSA has been putting their toe in the water regarding searching of most every place that people congregate in this country, and it seems to be working. That’s because the people of this country aren’t going absolutely bonkers over these unreasonable searches and demanding a change to protect our rights…as we should be doing. The more we let it happen, the more they will do. Constitution be damned. It is only a matter of time before we will be forced to allow these jackbooted thugs to enter our own homes unannounced for “inspections.” Our rights are being taken from us, and we’re not doing a thing about it except letting it happen.
This discrimination has been a long-standing issue for travelers coming into Muslim countries. There are numerous ones that won’t allow you in if you even have an Israeli stamp on your passport. Doesn’t matter what religion you are. That’s why many savvy business travelers maintain two passports. Also, many travelers to/from Israel have learned to have an Israeli stamp done on a piece of paper, instead of in the passport. Further, even withOUT an Israeli stamp on your passport, if you try to enter from certain port cities in Israel, you won’t be allowed in, either. These countries don’t…and will never…recognize Israel as a nation, therefore, it doesn’t matter if you’re Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist, athiest, Catholic, etc. If you’ve been to Israel, don’t expect entry into certain Muslim countries.
And for Joe Norman – I think the point here is, Delta has taken on Saudi Arabian Airlines as a partner. Therefore an American traveler to the KSA via Saudi Arabian Airlines is flying under the Delta name. Delta is an American based carrier. The KSA can make whatever rules they want about travelers entering or not entering their country. However, it is clear discrimination practices against Americans, (which is illegal), by an American company, to tell people of a certain religion that they cannot fly. If airline officials at an international embarkation point want to tell customers that certain races/classes of people can’t enter the KSA, well then, that’s their business. But these are flights that are originating in the United States. I saw Delta’s “official” statement about no codesharing. However, the ADL is formally appealing to Delta to stop this practice of discrimination against Americans.
Regardless of all this stuff, unless I’m forced to do so for work purposes, I have no reason to go to Saudi Arabia, or any other messed up muzzie country that can’t get their act together and join humanity. And a simple solution for Delta…and the other American based carriers…is stop any arrangement with Saudi Arabian Airlines, or ANY country that discriminates against people based on their religion/race. But, this arrangement is about profit, not principle.
Emirates appear to be much less transparent than most other airlines
when discussing their experience with fuel hedges. In the absence of a clear description
of events, I conclude that Emirates incurred a massive loss on their fuel hedges in fiscal
year (FY) 2009, and for some reason were unable or unwilling to pay the collateral
demanded by the counter-parties to the contracts. Emirates parent stepped in to take over
the contracts and their obligations of just under US$ 1.9 billion, and removed this
potential loss in fiscal years 2009 and 2010. These transactions, which are far from clear,
resemble a subsidy, at least as defined by the GATT or NAFTA.
Emirates’ and Etihad’s strategies threaten to constrain the growth of Canadian airports by
turning them from hubs into stubs at the end of a spoke that leads only to their hubs in
Dubai and Abu Dhabi respectively. Ultimately, Canadian airports could experience a loss
of international services overall, and jobs would be lost.
Many people have to go to Saudi Arabia for business meetings, etc. Frankly, I’m with you on stopping this immigration by these people into our country. But, that isn’t going to happen unless the American people rise up and say NO MORE!!!
Thanks for your posting and further information. I am almost embarrassed of my ignorance on the subject… seriously… I have learned so much in the past few years, and I consider myself to be well schooled in a wide variety of subjects. How sad this whole subject is really.
I guess I should clarified paragraph two in my response a bit better. It should say, “On the the subject of travel to Muslim countries, discrimination against travelers from Israel has been a long-standing issue.”
No worries. It’s great we have a place here where we all can learn more about what’s happening around us. I too consider myself to be well-schooled in many subjects. I have traveled internationally for years, and particularly in Israel and other countries in the Middle East. Frankly, I’ve learned a lot here about things I didn’t know!
“No worries. It’s great we have a place here where we all can learn more about what’s happening around us… I’ve learned a lot here about things I didn’t know!”
Cate, that was so encouraging. Thank you.
I think all the carriers are doing this, and it must stop. We should stop all business with Saudi Arabia, including oil. However, somehow I don’t think that will go over well with the business community.
Dear Joe,
In my piece, I stated: “So Delta is respecting the entry regulations of Saudi Arabia, not adopting consciously discriminatory policies against Jews.”
I know that it is common practice. That doesn’t mean it is right. Delta and all other carriers should refuse to do business with Saudi Arabian Airlines.
Yours in liberty,
Pamela Geller
Sorry…but you are out of line on this one.
The devil here isn’t Delta Airlines, but rather Saudi Arabia. When an airline is a “codeshare” partner, it means that a person can buy one ticket and connect to that airline for further travel. Bags will be transfered, etc. Maybe one ought to check out and see that the Saudi airline is ALSO a codeshare partner in all the other big partnerships that include American and United! Let’s say you wanted to fly American to Frankfurt and then connect to Lufthansa to Riyadh. AMERICAN AIRLINES would require that you meet the restrictions imposed by the Saudi Arabian government BEFORE you boarded your flight in the USA! This is no different than what is happening with Delta.
The bottom line has to do with destination. If you want to fly to a foreign destination, REGARDLESS OF WHICH CARRIER YOU USE, you must comply with the entry requirements of that destination and the airline itself is responsible for ensuring those requirements are met. If you don’t want to deal with the entry requirements of Saudi Arabia…DON’T FLY THERE! Are those entry requirements reprehensible? Absolutely. But they are a sovereign country and can make whatever entry rules they so desire.
Making Delta Airlines the enemy here is just wrong.
Apparently. no one wants to hear the facts about Delta Air Lines, they’re too concerned about Saudi Arabia being mentioned in the same sentence. I am as much of a supporter of Israel as any conservative American and I agree with all the condemnations of Saudi Arabia. I am aware that this miserable, terrorist hell-hole, fundamentalist Islamic nation has filled its mosques in my country with anti-American Wahhabi text books, etc. etc. But this entire controversy is based on a single misunderstanding of what the word “alliance” means. It does not mean Delta is in partnership with Saudi Arabia. It does not mean Delta will prevent Jews from boarding flights, fact here is Delta has no flights to Saudi Arabia. But don’t take my word for it, here is a story published in an Orthodox Jewish web site Vos Iz Neias.
http://www.vosizneias.com/86184/2011/06/24/new-york-confusion-over-delta-saudi-arabia-airline-alliance-continues/
New York – Misinformation Over Delta, Saudi Arabia Airline Alliance Continues
New York – Delta Air Lines found itself with a public-relations headache
after the online world lit up with talk that the airline wouldn’t fly Jews
to Saudi Arabia.
That’s not true. Saudi Arabia decides who gets in the country and who doesn’t,
not the airlines. Delta doesn’t even fly there. Still, by Friday, a U.S.
senator wanted an investigation, Delta was professing its tolerance, and
some Twitter users called for went so far as to mention a boycott.
To explain:
Saudi Arabian Airlines is joining the SkyTeam Alliance, which includes
Delta. So, it’s possible that, starting next year, a traveler could buy an
airline ticket that starts with a flight on Delta and ends with a flight on
Saudi Arabian Airlines into Saudi Arabia.
Delta, like all airlines, asks travelers before they leave whether they have
a visa to enter the country they’re flying to. Yes? Welcome aboard. No?
Sorry, you’re not going anywhere.
Saudi Arabia, like all countries that require a visa for entry, decides who
gets one. Airlines don’t know why a visa was denied, only that the traveler
doesn’t have one.
The U.S. State Department says some Americans have reported being refused a
Saudi visa because their passport reflected travel to Israel or that they
were born in Israel. Also, Saudi Arabia’s visa application asks the traveler’s
religion, causing some to suspect that putting down “Jewish” or for that
matter “atheist” will hurt their chances of getting a visa. Saudi Arabia,
like several countries, does not recognize Israel.
Because Saudi Arabian Airlines is becoming a member of SkyTeam, Delta was
singled out in reports that ran Thursday and were passed around social
media. U.S. carriers already partner with other airlines that fly to Saudi
Arabia, including Air France and the German airline Lufthansa.
On Friday, Republican Sen. Mark Kirk said he wrote to the Federal Aviation
Administration to ask for an investigation into whether Delta “violated U.S.
law or regulation and to ensure no U.S. citizen is denied their right to fly
solely on the basis of their religion.”
Delta said on Friday that it does not discriminate, and pointed out that it
doesn’t fly to Saudi Arabia or codeshare with any airline that does. It said
it does not plan to codeshare with Saudi Arabian Airlines. (A codeshare is
when an airline places its flight designator, or “code,” onto a flight
operated by a different airline. The arrangement allows airlines to sell
tickets on each other’s flights.) Delta does have what’s called an
“interline agreement” with Saudi Arabian Airlines, which allows tickets to
be sold that include multiple airlines for multiple legs of the trip.
Saudi Arabia also bars travelers from bringing in “pornographic materials or
publications that violate the social norms of decency.” The U.S. State
Department tells travelers that Saudi officials ban “any item that is held
to be contrary to the tenets of Islam, such as pork products and
pornography. Imported and domestic audiovisual media and reading matter are
censored.”
It also said that Christmas decorations, fashion magazines, and videos
considered suggestive by Saudi officials may be confiscated and the owner
subject to penalties and fines.
While airlines check for passports and visas, they don’t ask travelers about
items that might be prohibited by the destination country.
Earlier this month Delta faced a public outcry after two soldiers complained
in a video posted on YouTube that their unit returning from Afghanistan was
charged $200 each to check a fourth bag. Delta ended up changing its baggage
policy to allow four bags for free for troops in coach.
I am a 40-year retired employee of Delta and I know they are a good American company. So stop this hysterical feeding frenzy and focus on the truth. I just posted a very lengthy compilation of the events surrounding this on my Townhall blog. I suggest you read it. http://oldironsides.blogtownhall.com/
“Fanning the flames of ignorance: Ignore the fact that Delta Air Lines does not fly to Saudi Arabia but blame them anyway because you think they would.”
I think what Pamela means is that she’s decided to pick a fight with Arabia on this matter, to bring their practices to light and put pressure on them to change or face retaliation. I think we should not let their people in here and kick those here out. Imagine a level playing field, what a concept. I have no illusions Arabia will change, so let’s kick them out.
The problem with our current economic situation is that we are in dire need of money. Serious need. So with that understanding, these airlines will race to the rescue and help out America when its so economically depressed that it has no choice anymore. With those airlines will come sharia compliant this, shariah compliant that… etc. This is how I see the US being setup. Economic warfare has weakened us to much that we will now do anything to get money. This is a VERY dangerous situation and its not getting better. Our current president has no intention of making that situation better. If he was intent on it, the 1.4 trillion dollars he borrowed would have been smartly spent to further the economic engine. Instead it has been wasted on his political cronies and the money has been shuffled to his islamic friends in other countries.
Delta is also a company that disciminates against deaf people. I was forced to move from my seat because they thought my deafness would be a problem in case of an emergency. My deafness has nothing to do with my ability to open the emergency door. The Airline forced me to move from my seat which also probably violated the FAA rules on airline manifests.
I am not Jewish but for the life of me I do not know why any Jewish person would want to fly to Jeddah from anywhere in the world.
Everyone has the right not to fly any Delta plane anywhere in the world and I do not plan to fly any Delta Plane or their subsideries anywhere in support of the Jewish people in the future.
Sad because Delta in the past was my favorite airline but not anymore.
What about the U.S. Postal Service being sharia compliant
with letters and packages from home to our troops in Douchebagistan?
http://www.usps.com/supportingourtroops/mailingrestrictions.htm
Then in order for you to be intellectually honest, you must also refuse to fly ANY US flagged carrier, because they ALL have interline agreements with all other carriers! Are you prepared to make THAT statement as forcfully as you made your previous statement? If you’re not…..then I have to be blunt and call BULLSHIT on you!
My Dear Pamela,
Delta, or for that matter, ANY carrier, has no choice but to respect any and all sovereign nation’s entry requirements. Remember, DAL flies NO equipment into SA, and they have NO codeshare or FF agreements with SAA. I have no knowledge of a future entry of SAA into the SkyTeam alliance……and I’m sure after all this, any thought of it before is now gone.
The following statement was released by Religious News Service (somehow connected with Huffington Post, which is a premeir commie-lib rag itself) Today:
RELIGION NEWS SERVICE EDITOR’S NOTE:
The RNS story on Delta Air Lines’ pending partnership with Saudi Arabian Airlines that was distributed on June 23 contained incomplete information about Saudi visa policies and U.S. Jews’ ability to fly Delta flights to Saudi Arabia. The story was not fully edited according to RNS standards:
-While Saudi Arabia does not issue visas to citizens carrying Israeli passports, Saudi officials say an Israeli stamp in a U.S. passport is not a barrier to entry, even for a stop in transit.
-While Saudi Arabia does not allow non-Islamic religious articles within its borders, religious identity and a passenger’s religious articles are not barriers to flights on either Delta or Saudi Arabian Airlines flights.
-Airline alliance programs typically allow passengers on one airline to book tickets on another, or redeem frequent flyer points on partner airlines. On Friday, Delta said such “code-sharing” agreements will not be part of its alliance with Saudi Arabian Airlines, nor will Delta passengers be able to redeem Delta frequent flyer miles on the Saudi airline.
RNS takes very seriously its commitment to accuracy, balance and thorough reporting, and the June 23 story failed to meet those expectations. Steps are being taken to correct and improve our internal editing process. We regret that the story was transmitted with incomplete information, as well as any unintended implication that Delta would be adopting policies of the Saudi government
You said:
“I know that it is common practice. That doesn’t mean it is right. Delta and all other carriers should refuse to do business with Saudi Arabian Airlines.”
I cannot argue that point because I agree with it. I just hope that, for the sake of consitency, intellectual honesty, and fairness, that you would be as forcful and illuminating in pointing out all of the other carriers that abide the exact same policies as DAL does. Spread the love Pam! Delta isn’t the only airline doing it. I totally agree with isolating SA from the civilized world. They are MOST un-civilized! But if you are going to call Delta out on it……I think you owe it to your reputation to call ALL airlines out on it, and ALL companies that do business with SA. If not……I think you owe Delta Air Lines an apology.
I SO totally love you Pam! You are smart and fearless and gorgeous! I am NOW, and always will be, a HUGE fan of yours! I just think you missed the mark on this topic.
Imagine if there was an airline with a No Muslims policy.
No the fact that Delta is collaborating with them is the problem. You can’t take the moral high ground and say you’re against antisemitic bigotry and at the same time condone it by partnering w/a Muslo-fascist state that practices it.
If you lay down w/Islamo-nazi dogs, you get up w/fleas. It sounds to me like you need some flea powder.
Joe must be looking for a PENSION INCREASING RAISE from Delta.
Actually there is a MONSTER named Delta Air Lines,for COMPLYING with SAUDI DISCRIMINATORY POLICIES against American CITIZENS.
Joe: You’re the Hypocrite going to bat for your company’s aquiesence to EVIL.
Company BEFORE Country,ay Joe.
“”TELL US IT AIN’T SO,JOE”.
You could have STAYED OUTof this here,BUT YOU DIDN’T.
Boy,you sure are the “company man” in a “Gray Flannel Suit” so to speak.
Be sure you print out your “activity” here tonite and show it to your Boss tommorrow.
Must get those Brownie Points,Joe.
Of course you do. Thinking for yourself is haaaaard.
You know Muslims aren’t all from Saudi Arabia, right?
I really don’t understand why none of you are realizing that Joe has a very good point.
I’m taking Greyhound instead of Dolt Airlines.
And I’m taking my laptop with an air card so I can read atlasshrugs.com on the way.
OldIronSides, Let’s discuss this “Interline Agreement” circumstance.
When a person books a flight from here with multiple legs the end destination must be known to be a country that discriminates as to its entry policy. Are US airlines by way of the SkyTeam Alliance etal required to book these additional flights of the trip or is there a way to opt out of coordinating trips to those countries who hold such restrictions such as asking a person’s religion?
No he has a very clever way of attempting to obfuscate the fact Delta is on-board w/Islamo-nazi
antisemitic bigotry. Just because everyone else (i.e. other airlines) is doing it doesn’t make it right.
Imagine a world without Islam. Ain’t that a refreshing though?
Just to clarify a point made by the Saudis that nobody appears to have checked. I read of a Jewish American in the 1990’s who was given a Saudi visa, having stated on the application that he was Jewish. However, they stamped the word “Jew” (in Arabic of course) boldly on his visa page. Not sure if he knew it prior to his visit. This certainly would have given me pause. Given the ebb and flow of diplomatic formalities this may, or may not be reflective of today’s realities.
OK, I’ve been nice and tried to be ADULT and REASONABLE here. Choi will have none of it.
You are a complete and utter FOOL Choi! You haven’t heard one word of what I’ve said or independently researched this matter for one second. You are one of the sheeple, blindly following whatever piper is playing your favorite tune on any particular day.
Read this part V E R Y S L O W L Y……delta has NO agreements with SAA. NONE!! They are doing nothing that every other US flagged carrier isn’t doing. Do you understand those words fool? Do you understand that you are intellectually vapid and a world class hypocrite? Delta IS NOT complying with ANY SA directives of orders. They are simply, like (read slowly again here) E V E R Y O T H E R C A R R I E R, informing potential passengers of the entry requirements into a country. THEY DO THAT FOR ALL COUNTRIES, even the ones they don’t fly to!! It’s called INFORMATION you moron!! Simply sharing information does not make Delta, or ANY carrier, party to anti-semetic behaviour!
And just so you know asshole…..I am a VERY proud veteran. I have honorably and happily served this Republic! GOD, FAMILY, COUNTRY, in that order, are where my allegiances lie. Delta is my employer, and not a bad one either. They have provided me the opportunity to take good care of my family. They most certianly are not perfect, and I’ll be the first one to acknowledge we have our issues. But this whole Jew hating thing IS NOT one of them!
“You could have STAYED OUTof this here,BUT YOU DIDN’T.”
I’m not afraid of a fight moron, especially with the likes of you! Delta is not the bad guy here, and that tuth needs to be told and made clear. Misinformation can lead otherwise truth seeking people to wrong conclusions sometimes. It has worked on me before. But having been exposed to the truth of the matter, reasonable and intellectually honest people come to understand their folly and change their conclusion. You sir are neither reasonable nor intellectually honest. You are a sheep! You keep your head down and eat grass and follow the herd……right over the cliff!
Fall off bone head……just don’t fall on me!
I haven’t laid down with any islamo-nazi dogs asshole! I HATE islam and everything to do with it! You haven’t heard one single word I’ve said, nor have you ANY CLUE about how the airline business works. But you sure do like to run your mouth and prove to the world just how monumentally stupid you are.
Let me step aside and allow you to continue.
Obviously you aren’t familiar with Pamela Geller. While I am sleeping, or while
I’m doing the laundry, or chasing after my five children, or getting ready for my daughters
huge graduation party, do you have any idea what Pamela is doing hour after hour?
Of course you don’t because people like you prefer instead to comment to someone like me
when you are without one cent of background.
If it were not for Pamela Geller I am pretty sure the
bulk of America would be in the dark still (post 9/11) about Islamic Jihad
and the Wonderful World of DISLAM. This woman, whom I admire a great deal,
is someone I like to think of as a HERO, she has made huge inroads bringing
truth into a world where lies and cover ups are the order of the day,
so when it comes to sifting through the most covert and stealth
plans being arranged for the destruction of the USA, you can bet
your life she is on it! I’ve been reading her work for many years
now and I will say that most of her material is stolen by big media
after she is the first to discover quintessential information
that should be shared with the American public. It is through her work
that Americans are being educated and learning the truth and I agree
with Pam, “truth is the new hate speech”..she said it, and YOU prove
she is correct. This is why I will give Pamela Geller the benefit of
the doubt ahead of some random guy who makes some claims that really
seem shallow in light of all the downright sinister events already
happening to travelors at the hands of the TSA. Pamela has my vote
of confidence.
The subject is Delta and this is what Pam was reporting about.
Delta should take the lead and stop doing business with such
an evil and backward culture. Delta should not stand for the
mistreatment of any human being traveling on it’s airlines.
Delta should form an alliance of with other airlines using strong
language that states a position of humanity and dignity for
every person that travels on it’s flights,
and as I said before take the lead. It’s an
opportunity, one too good to pass up at this point.
Let’s see if it does…or perhaps it won’t because it doesn’t want to hurt the
sensitivities of Dar al Islam??????? Get out of the Sky team
alliance if it has to come to that. Delta has an obligation to
clear it’s name, not Pamela Geller. Delta should make a statement
to the public and Pamela doesn’t need to give Delta an apology, how
ridiculous. We just better not see a 180 reversal at a later date
because you can be sure that Pam will be on that too. Money is the root
of all evil! It’s only a matter of time, so we’ll see and I’m so
glad to see how you have protected Delta by saying that sometimes
they aren’t perfect. From a consumers point of view, that’s a costly
cop out! Fix it! I’m sick of excuses!
Wrong. Joe’s been sent to disseminate disinformation.
Here are the letters from Delta advising that Saudi Arabian airlines has joined the SkyTeam alliance :
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/is-delta-airlines-showing-signs-of-creeping-sharia-law/
Pam, I have been sent by no one, and I truly am not knowingly disseminating misinformation. I read the BLAZE article you referenced, and I also found this page at the SkyTeam website:
http://www.skyteam.com/search/?q=saudi+arabian+
It would certainly appear that SAA is scheduled to join the alliance in 2012.
I am awaiting a response to an inquiry I made to the same Kathy Johnston that Mr. Lovitky corresponded with. She had earlier sent this to me:
“Thank you for sharing your concerns regarding Saudi Arabian Airlines and their participation in the SkyTeam alliance.
We certainly understand the concerns expressed in your communication and I appreciate this opportunity to emphasize that Delta Air Lines does not discriminate nor do we condone discrimination against any of our customers in regards to age, race, nationality, religion, or gender. Additionally, please know Delta does not operate service to Saudi Arabia and does not codeshare with any airline on flights to that country. Delta does not intend to codeshare or share reciprocal benefits, such as frequent flier benefits, with Saudi Arabian Airlines, which we have confirmed with SkyTeam, an Amsterdam-based 14-member global airline alliance.
Delta’s only agreement with Saudi Arabian Airlines is a standard industry interline agreement, which allows passengers to book tickets on multiple carriers, similar to the standard interline agreements American Airlines, US Airways and Alaska Airlines have with Saudi Arabian Airlines. All of the three global airline alliances – Star, which includes United Airlines; oneworld, which includes American Airlines, and SkyTeam, which includes Delta – have members that fly to Saudi Arabia and are subject to that country’s rules governing entry.”
I have asked Ms. Johnston to clarify for me what inclusion into the SkyTeam alliance means. I await her reply as I write this.
If I have been wrong in defending Delta here, I will come HERE and admit my folly. I am frankly confused now. Ms. Johnston’s reply to me, as noted above, would seem to contradict the information given in the Skyteam link I referenced above. I hope to have a response from her shortly.
Again Pam…..I have said everything I’ve said here of my own volition. I’ve been encouraged or sent by no person or organization. I have not knowingly spread misinformation on your excellent blog. I AM ON YOUR SIDE!! It sickens me to imagine that the company that I’ve spent my entire adult life working for may have slipped into the pit of influence from islamic evil. I hope beyond hope that this is not the case.
I must apologize to all readers of this blog who have commented on this story.
It now appears to me that my defense of Delta is…….perhaps not quite so well deserved.
You cannot imagine how sick it makes me to say that. Physically sick.
I hope that things do not develop as I fear they may. It remains to be seen.
Please accept my apology for anything I may have written that was offensive or not based in absolute truth. I thought I had true information.
Pamela Gellar is a Patriot and one of the bravest people I’ve ever known. I apologize to her for calling into question her conclusions about this affair. It appears now that she may well be right on target.
We shall see where this goes. The leaders of Delta Air Lines have some soul searching to do. I hope they will make right and honorable decisions.
Your deafness doesn’t affect your ability to open the door, but it DOES affect your ability to hear and understand emergency directions that are time sensitive and critical to the well-being of all other passengers. You don’t want to open the door too early as the engines might still be running. Your particular door might be one that is not supposed to be used in a specific problem because of fire or other problems. The bottom line is the emergency exit is not necessarily used in each and every evacuation, and when it is used, it must be used at the correct time or passengers are put in danger. Your hearing impairment would preclude you from understanding instructions in the event of an emergency and that is a danger to all other passengers. (Yes…I’m an airline pilot.)
What new information has specifically changed your mind?
KookaQuran, nice job stating the obvious.