For the First Time upon the Capture of a Wanted Serb, a News Broadcast Questions the Evidence

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A crack in the wall of disinformation and lies in the ongoing blood libel against the Christian Serbs. The lie must be protected at any and all costs. Cowardly clowns like Jeffrey Goldberg pile on to score points with the propagandists and smear merchants (of which he prides himself of being). This faux Jew calls me a "genocide denier." These anti-intellectuals disregard concretes and claim that the widely disputed and inflated figure of some eight thousand (though many say it was hundreds) dead is a "genocide. " Though little is made of the "genocide" of Christians that precipitated defensive action.

The murder of six million Jews is genocide.

The slaughter of millions of Armenians, Greeks and Assyrians genocide of millions is "genocide." But do not dare use that word. You can't call the Islamic slaughter of millions "genocide" because …….. it will offend the Jeff the JINO, Jews must protect ourselves from these enemies (cowardly liars)  masquerading as landsmen.

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For the First Time upon the Capture of a Wanted Serb, a News Broadcast Questions the Evidence Julia Gorin

OK, so it’s “Russia Today” — and will therefore be blindly dismissed by most Americans — but I nonetheless have to take note of the fact that this is the first time, to my knowledge, that any news broadcast has had the audacity to report the paltriness of the evidence against an accused Serb upon his capture, rather than “tastefully” joining in on the anti-Serb wilding.

This means the information is finally getting out, including the fact that DNA CANNOT tell you the cause or manner of death. Here are the RT broadcasts, with the highlights appearing in print:

“Tribunal toys with body of evidence in Mladic case”

REPORTER: …The Hague tribunal does have a lot of evidence regarding the massacre, but is all of it valid? […]

STEFAN KARGANOVIC (of the Srebrenica Historical Project): The forensic evidence certainly does not support the extravagant charges of 8,000 victims, and much of the evidence of legitimate combat deaths that occurred during that period is studiously ignored by the Hague tribunal and by the press because they have to do it if they are to bolster the number of casualties to come somewhat closer to the target figure of 8,000.

REPORTER: There are questions about the way the evidence has been interpreted. For instance with the autopsy reports. The ICTY presents 3,568 reports as corresponding to 3,568 bodies. But many researchers who went through the files say most of them are body parts, which means a lot less [sic: fewer] people.

ALEKSANDAR PAVIC (Balkans and ICTY observer): The Hague always has kind of done things as they go along. It’s been an improvisation. They’ve changed indictments on people. They’ve written indictments on people who have actually been already exported to the Hague. Meaning, first you get arrested and then you get an indictment. That’s the way the Hague works. So it won’t be a surprise if they adjust the indictment a few more times. They did it with Milosevic, they did it with others, they’ve done it with Seselj. So it’s just standard procedure with the Hague tribunal.

REPORTER: So the ICTY may well find itself in a tight spot again. More and more people are criticizing their lack of objectivity, and they have yet to complete a high-profile case…

Next was a June 4 broadcast, which appeared in two different edits:

 

 

REPORTER: …Despite the claims of 8,000 murdered men and boys, many of those who have studied those documents say that most of the reports actually concern body parts. They also say that there is no discernible way to determine which of those people died as a result of the Balkans war.

MARKO GASIC (Balkans expert): Those original figures of 8,000 came about from the Izetbegovic Islamist side. They were prepared in advance. Thousands of people were hidden, soldiers, and redrafted back into the Bosnian Islamist forces without their families even being informed. So there is certainly a great deal of exaggeration in this figure…This tribunal, you should remember, is not a court — it is a tribunal, with all the dubious ad-hoc quasi-legal procedures that that can involve. The Guantanamo Bay of Europe where people are held for years without trial, waiting for trial, when their verdict is known in advance. In fact, it’s even worse than the Guantanamo Bay of Europe, because at least there at Guantanamo Bay the judges know what the rules are. At the Hague tribunal, the kangaroo court, the rules are worked out as they go along, and always at the expense of the Serbs. […]

Note: I’ve never been too concerned with the Guantanamo Bay facility or how the “people” there are adjudicated; however, I appreciate Mr. Gasic being honest enough to at least make the distinction he does.

The other edit:

…GASIC (holding up a few documents): Here you have pictures of people’s graves who were on the list in the Srebrenica Missing, as it were, and they died in previous years. Or there are people here, again who died in previous years, who are on the Srebrenica list of missing-presumed-killed by the Serbs.

REPORTER: It’s impossible to talk about Srebrenica and not mention all the other atrocities that took place here. This is Srebrenica; just a few miles out is the village of Kravica where Bosnian-Muslim general Naser Oric literally wiped out the entire village. Throughout two years, Naser Oric tore through the region of Sreb destroying at least 150 villages and massacring over 3500 people, so the case against Mladic…does seem to be biased…The very prominent cases of course concerned mostly Serb generals….[Oric] was cleared by the Hague tribunal of all charges, so these fears of the Hague’s inability to be objective do seem to be substantiated.

The reporter also makes the key point that the Hague, for all the universally deferential citing of its rulings and “judgments” — as if they’re legally legitimate and adhere to a Western understanding of jurisprudence — is a political tool, not a legal one.

The only additional point I would make about the reporting is that she cites the “3,500″ figure in reference to the number of Serbs killed in and around Srebrenica. The opposing figure is closer to 1,500, and what accounts for the difference is something Stefan Karganovic — who goes with the smaller figure — explained to me. The higher figure includes the deaths at Bratunac in 1992, before the Srebrenica enclave was set up and therefore a separate chapter, as he sees it:

I was raised in the US and everything I do I try to be fair and honest about it, and not just push a tribal “truth.” Bratunac was under Serbian control throughout the war, although Moslem lines were just a short walk away. The only time Bratunac Serbs paid with their lives was in 1992 when Moslems, who had been arming themselves way before the conflict actually started, tried to stage an armed takeover there, as they did in a number of other communities, and failed. But that was before the Srebrenica enclave was set up and the carnage in the villages surrounding Srebrenica began. Our focus is on deaths that resulted from attacks originating from Srebrenica. I am trying to keep things separate on the Serbian side, just as I am insisting that Moslems keep their legitimate column casualties separate from execution victims. Balkan people are great at twisting everything to fit their agenda, but I was not brought up in the Balkans.

Meanwhile, I learned yesterday that even with all the pro-Muslim shenanigans at the Hague for the past 20 years, the Congress of North American Bosniaks, the Institute for Genocide Research Canada (IRGC), and the Australian Council of Bosnian Herzegovina Organizations (ACBHO) “request that the ICTY Court remove Judge Flügge from his role in the proceedings against Ratko Mladic, or in any case dealing specifically with charges of genocide. We are surprised that Judge Flügge would be once again assigned to a case dealing with charges of genocide due to his unapologetic comments in 2009 in the German weekly magazine “Der Spiegel” in which he openly questioned the classification of Srebrenica genocide.”

Now, if you read the Der Spiegel story, you’ll see that the judge holds all the typical, “correct,” pro-Muslim opinions about the Balkans wars. Not good enough! Why? Because he said it’s not any better to kill people because they all happen to be in a particular location than to kill them because of who they are — basically a statement against the legal classification “hate crime.” Which, if one thinks back a decade, had a lot of opponents who questioned whether the law should consider it worse to kill someone because you hate him than because the victim is, for example, elderly and an easy target to rob and kill.

But, again, the Muslims desperately need their genocide, and Flugge has the gall to deprive them of it. Not only did the judge commit the unforgivable sin, he added insult to injury by adding, “Strictly speaking, the term genocide only fits to the Holocaust.” Which, off the bat, negates the whole point of the whole exercise of the hard-won “genocide.” (Equal political footing with Jews, whom they see as deriving much of their sympathy and clout from the Holocaust.)

Never mind that he still grants them mass murder, a greater crime than what actually happened, and never mind that everything has been going their way for 20 years at the Hague — this guy’s gotta go!

Joining this judge in running afoul of Bosnian Muslims is an Ottawa Sun columnist named Michael Coren, against whom one of the above-named groups (IRGC) sent a letter of protest to the editors. Never mind that his Thursday column began with the following dutiful paragraph:

I don’t think any civilized and informed person either condemns or doubts the reason why Ratko Mladic was arrested by Serbian security forces, and handed over to an international war crimes trial in The Hague. He is alleged to have led a force that slaughtered 8,000 Bosnian Muslim men and boys, and almost certainly did so.

It’s what the rest of his article showed he understood, that got to them:

Why are the Serbs the only ones targeted, [Mladic supporters] say, and why does the west, for example, not deal with the Islamic terror groups in Kosovo, and with Serbs being pushed from their homes in that troubled region?

They have a point. Washington and Europe have been enormously selective in their morality, and some of this is likely connected to the Americans and British in particular wanting to show the Islamic world that they care for the safety and plight of the world’s Muslims.

If so, they are incredibly naive.

Various Arab leaders may talk about the suffering of their fellow Muslims, but it is in fact their fellow Muslims who they themselves treat so badly on a regular basis.

The Serbian Orthodox nationalist Mladic may well have murdered 8,000 Muslims in Bosnia, but Hafez al-Assad, the father of the current Syrian leader, killed more Muslims than that in a single day when he wanted to demonstrate his authority and dissuade his people from revolution.

Boy Assad, the weak son, has probably gone past the 1,000 mark now, as he kills innocent people who even attend a funeral for a fallen protestor.

The Jordanian government is one of the more reasonable in the Islamic world, but in 1970 it killed more than 10,000 Palestinians, and the Arab nationalist icon General Nasser gassed entire villages in Yemen…The arrest of a Serb warlord is irrelevant to people who have no concern for their own, let alone for others.

If I were a Serb, I’d feel a little angry. As an unaligned commentator, I’m absolutely disgusted.

What Flugge and Coren seem to be almost alone in not having learned: Even minimal dissent will not be tolerated. Look around, guys — do you see any anywhere? That’s why even non-dissenting dissent like yours has kicked up a shit storm.

As for you specifically, Coren: No one has ever had the audacity to put themselves in the Serbs’ shoes, so don’t think of starting now. Speaking of which, why are you trying to do your own thinking on this? It’s been done for you, and so far everyone’s happy with it.

In closing, let’s notice that Coren has hit on yet another Israel-Serbia commonality: the fixation on Israeli/Serb behavior in the face of incomparably more numerous and heinous crimes by truly terrifying regimes, most notably those of Muslim governments against Muslims.

That Coren was able to notice in regard to Serbia what so far has only been noticed in regard to Israel is to his additional credit.

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dawning
dawning
12 years ago

SOOO..”Russia Today” is doing more honest reporting than the “maindribble media” here in the good ol USA.

John P
John P
12 years ago

The muslims who want surrogate jihad at the ICJ all support oppression of non-muslims in their pig pen homelands. When civil justice became impotent – in face of Oric’s Genocide campaign – then summary justice was inevitable.
What’s wrong with enforcing ICJ “law”? It is NOT sanctioned by the UN or any credible international organization. States voluntarily devolve sovereignty into “statutes of the tribunal” with force of application and enforcement only by and in the participating states. So the ICJ is nothing but a de facto lynch-law entity. The enforcement mob concocts a standard that denies the most basic of defenses: the denial of due process in Bosnia, was and adaption to muslim rejection of non-sharia law. It was Bosnia Serbs who applied positive law. Use of extreme force within context of Summary-Justice, is warranted under conditions of jihad-terror. Were the bosnazis innocent? Clearly, they supported Oric’ terror. And that is proven by their alliance with al-qaeda during the islamonazi ethnic-cleansing of Serbs, by Genocide by beheading and burning. After the conflict ended, bosnazis took over $100,000,000 in saud money for the purpose of replacing Ottoman mosques with Wahabi versions. Further, they prohibit either construction or maintenance of Christian churches. Most Jewish institutions have been destroyed.
Left-islamonazis support the islamization of bosnia, kosovo and albania narco-terrorist entities, while they work for the railroading of Serb victims of the Clintons and euro-snots.

Stephanie
Stephanie
12 years ago

Ratko Mladic: What really happened in Srebrenica? by Lee Jay Walker May 26, 2011
The REAL Srebrenica “Genocide” NOT reported by the corrupt, racist pro-Islamist Nazi Western corporate controlled media, was the brutal mass murder – using axes, knives, daggers, sledgehammers, iron bars, flamethrowers and explosives – of 3,870 Serbian elderly men, women and young children in and around the town of Srebrenica and its adjoining villages (Bratunac, Skelani, Kravica, Milici, et al) as well as the town of Gorazde
Tortured women, children and men by true Muslims….
…”>http://real-bosnian-genocide.blogspot.com/&cd=1&hl=de&ct=clnk&gl=de&client=firefox-a&source=www.google.de”>… watch at your own risk!

Stephanie
Stephanie
12 years ago

the “crippled” link is OK and worked!

Kevin Stroup
Kevin Stroup
12 years ago

We should have supported the Serbs. Period.

Hainer
Hainer
12 years ago

The Kangaroo comes to mind.
The purpose of the court seems to be more for enforcing political purposes than for justice.
How can Western societies that pride themselves in their justice system support such an unaccountable court?

Susan
Susan
12 years ago

Back when this happened I was one who blindly believed the media and at the time met a woman who came from Serbia (I assumed she was Christian-did ask because I had no concept of the Islamist side) as I was yelling at her my stance on the evils of genocide all she kept saying was “you don’t understand”. She was right and I so very wrong-this is one thing I will always regret doing and I cannot forgive myself.
in the cosmic element of things I’d say the events on 9/11/2001 was my payback.
Come to think of it, since WWII when have America or the West ever intervened on behalf of ethic-Cleansing of Christians worldwide?
THe canaries in the coal mine are Christians.
FIrst they came for the Christians, then they came for the Jews, then they’ll come for me.

Julia Gorin
Julia Gorin
12 years ago

Susan, thank you for sharing that story. And for being big enough to recall it publicly, and to have regrets. That makes you much rarer than a lot of people who had similar conversations with Serbs in the 90s. In answer to your question “Come to think of it, since WWII when has America or the West ever intervened on behalf of ethic-cleansing of Christians worldwide?”: The question is, when has America or the West not intervened AGAINST Christians? Did you ever see this:
http://www.juliagorin.com/wordpress/?p=2499 In it is pasted an Israeli professor’s article that appeared in Newsmax, titled “US Has Long Sided with Arab World”
Thanks to all who commented here.
Julia

Saul
Saul
12 years ago

The press obscured it all. It was always a muzlim vs Christian confict. The details of what the muzis did are too gruesome to post; but here’s the gist of it: 500 years ago, the Balkans were invaded by violent Turkish jihadis, who genocided… and enslaved the white Greek-legacy Christians there… in fact, the Turk muzlims took more white slaves there than the Arab muzlims took black slaves in Africa. The Greek, Christian population of Albania was completely erased, and replaced by Turks.
The Turks also invaded Serbia and won a big battle at Kosovo.
Nevertheless, after a few hundred years, the Serbs (like the Romanians) managed to boot all the Turks out of their lands.
THEN, during WWII, Adolph HITLER himself, with the help of his muzlim best friend, Haj-Amin al Husseini, and a few hundred thousand loyal muzi nazi-compatible SS troop divisions, managed to AGAIN “ethnically cleanse” (genocide) the Greek, Christian Serbs out of their own heartland in Kosovo, and replace them with thousands of Turkish muzis from Albania.
Recently, these Turk jihadi invaders – who have only been there for 60 years, thanks to Hilter – went on rampages and raped many Serbian women, and then burned down several entire villages in the area, SO the Serbian government sent in the troops (like General Mladic) to restore order.
After ten years of war, and a 4-year siege of Sarajevo, General Mladic managed to win the battle, and expelled 50,000 muzlim Turks back to Albania, while (only allegedly) killing 8,000 men & boys who were of age and inclination to wage war.
He was only defending his own people from muzi jihadis.
For this, America’s Bill Clinton and Maddy Albright bombed the Serbs back to the stone age, (because Serbs are white and wore uniforms, while the muzis are brown and didn’t wear unifroms, which in their shallow racist libtarded view made the Serbs into nazis, and the muzis – who ARE ‘holy’ nazis – into innocent civilians).
The press has always referred to them as “Ethnic Albanians” (thus slanderously implying that the Serbs only attacked them becasue the Serbs are racists) when in fact of course Albania is only a country, not an ethnicity.
They have now charged General Mladic with “genocide” for defending his country against Hitler’s Turk-legacy jihadi imports.
In order to commit a real “genocide,” General Mladic would first have to have killed ALL the Turks in Kosovo, then ALL the Turks in Albania, then ALL the Turks in Turkey itself!
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The cowardly butt-weasels in the presstitute corps NEVER mention muzis attacking Christians (or Jews) instead, they ALWAYS pretend its a “sectarian nationalistic” conflict, and then they name the countries of those involved, never their ‘religions’!!!
Which, since the muzis don’t believe in countries or nationalities, which they regard as man-made, false idols, is a form of cowardly treason to all of us, and to common-sense itself!

Saul
Saul
12 years ago

Here’s a nice, concise, footnoted & documented history of it all!
http://www.slobodan-milosevic.org/news/smorg_rch040110.htm

Gabriel
Gabriel
12 years ago

Yes and no one should be surprised, RT is damn good news channel

Nikole
Nikole
12 years ago

SAUL SAID
“After ten years of war, and a 4-year siege of Sarajevo, General Mladic managed to win the battle, and expelled 50,000 muzlim Turks back to Albania, while (only allegedly) killing 8,000 men & boys who were of age and inclination to wage war.”
This comment is not accurate. No Muslims were expelled to Albania. Also, the white/brown element also puts the wrong slant on this story. For the Serbs, the issue has never been about race. I am with you on most of your points.

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