Pamela Geller Featured Story, Big Journalism: The Ground Zero Mosque War in the Information Battlespace

On the issue of the police keeping people out. I do not speak for them but I can speculate what may have happened. Estimation of a crowd size at a rally is tricky business and the police need to have some kind of idea how many are planned to attend a given rally. The reason for this is so they can have enough police present so things don’t get too out of hand.
My gut feeling is that the police were told not to let the crowd get too big and unwieldy. Now remember, they also had the pro-mosque crowd to deal with, plus many were at the commemoration ceremonies both in presence and as working officers helping the crowd. They too lost many of their brothers when 911 happened. Given that, they were probably stretched and at some point decided to keep more people from getting into the crowd.
I know many of the cops were probably with you guys in spirit in any event.

I attended both rallies, and witnessed the events at their maximum capacity. Without a doubt, the pro-mosque event was about 1/6th, maybe 1/10th, the size of Geller’s event.
Let us simply analyze the areas occupied by each group – it really isn’t that difficult, as each group occupied an obviously differing size in area:
pro mosque rally: Stretched from Park to Warren along the Eastern sidewalk of City Hall Park. Furthmore, these groups tended to constantly circle the barricaded area, exaggerating their presence, but I will disregard that fact.
The sidewalk along the park is approximately 25 feet wide. A Standard Manhattan block is approximately 260 feet by 900 feet. We can then assign 4 square feet per person. Knowing the the pro-mosque event stretched from Park Pl. to Warren Street, we can then dictate: 260 feet per block x 2 blocks x 25 feet wide divided by 4 square feet per person = 3,250 people…This doesn’t take into account the fact that many people continuously circled the area creating an illusion of more people, nor does it account for the massive holes in the crowd resulting from hippy drum circles, indian powwows, buddhist chanting groups, and tents. Therefore, this estimate is quite generous.
Rally of Remembrance:Stretched from Park Pl to Reade along W Broadway, and encompassed the entire width of the street – at 4 lanes wide, and 12 feet per lane, this equals 48 feet wide. 260 feet per block x 4 blocks x 48 feet wide and 4 square feet per person = 12,480 people. This doesn’t take into account people along the periphery at each intersection who couldn’t find space in the main area. Furthermore, this group stood still, shoulder to shoulder, rather than constantly moving about, and presents a more accurate representation.
Thusly, the Rally of Remembrance had AT LEAST 4 times as many people.
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Furthermore, I can tell you that a news helicopter did hover over the area for nearly an hour – that there are no published aerial photos is troubling. They probably spent all their time photographing the ENTIRE crowd of 40 “9/11 Troofers” at the plaza on W. Broadway and Barclay…or were distracted by a kitty cat.
I can also vouch for people claiming the police officers seemed to purposely mislead people, sending them in the wrong direction, or pretending to be unaware of alternate events in the area, since I was personally was told to walk in 3 different directions to get to Geller’s rally

Like the MSM have done for years?
When you can go to a rally and see it in your own eyes then come home and here a different story, it has a tendency to make you see the light. I wasn’t at her rally but I’ve attended the Pro-troops rallies back in 1990’s during Iraq War, I personally saw some of the misleading the media does.

BUT they take ORDERS from Bloomberg Through Kelly.
The TOTAL MEDIA BLACKPOT,the absence of Helicopters with Media/Photographers to TRUTHFULLY show the 2 crowds,and to whatever extent there was DELIBERATE action(s) taken to LESSEN the crowd,are ALL part of a MAJOR Co-Ordinated “PLAY” by The LEFT/ISLAMIST ALLIANCE.
Without a Bloomberg as NYC Mayor and a CORRUPT LEFT-WING MEDIA none of this would even be happening.
Rudy Guliani wouldn’t even have had to TELL THEM NO to a GROUND ZERO MOSQUE because they would have KNOWN that NEVER would that happen on his watch,and they wouldn’t even have ATTEMPTED to try to build their VICTORY MOSQUE.

The police in Britain actively work against the EDL while standing by & allowing muslim thugs to run wild. Guess that tactic has jumped across the pond!

Your event was a success and the slime stream media can’t cope with that fact because it goes against their agenda and narrative to portray, 70 percent of, Americans are Islamophobic haters. So here’s my suggestion ask your loved ones, family and friends to boycott all Media that lied about the numbers, do not buy/watch their media medium boycott their advertisors. We can financially strike a blow to the lying down and dirty anti-American Media. The truth is an American value, Slime Stream Media think they are our ruling elites and they treat us like trash return the favour and treat them with financial contempt.

Agreed, Choi (as usual) .

Like Tyler, I attended both demonstrations, though I stayed at the pro-mosque demonstration till it ended, which led to my very late arrival at Geller’s rally.
Tyler’s estimates of pro-mosque crowd size and the area the crowd filled are exactly the estimates I had intended to supply.
The crowd, however, had a character worse than disheartening. Virtually every speaker suggested — at a demonstration aimed at peace — the only way to beat the “racists and bigots” was with violence. Some made oblique suggestions. Others were direct. One emcee, a black woman who introduced some speakers, channled Malcolm X, calling out “by any means necessary.” Another chant that was repeated several times was “No Justice, No Peace.”
At a peace rally?
Meanwhile, apparently a pro-palestinian group functioned as the chief organizing force of that rally.
Despite the incessant Israel bashing, there was a more disturbing tone and subtext to the rhetoric — which was mostly old tired revolutionary claptrap from the last 40 years. I got the feeling that more than anything else, the crowd supporting the mosque most wanted to go around the corner in street-gang form and kick the crap out of a few people at the anti-mosque rally. The crowd was seething, driven by an animus that was close to blood lust.
For some weird reason these goofy American lefties think they have a special place in the eyes of islam. As if they would escape life in the dhimmitude if they were living in muslim territory.
Meanwhile, as others have said, it was tough to get into the Remembrance Rally. The cops, I think, knew nothing about how to find an entry point. I’ve had this experience for years at any public NYC event attracting large outdoor crowds. If you ask a cop for directions, he gives you an answer that gets you out of his hair. That’s it.
In fact, after getting bad directions a couple of times, I went to a cop standing at a crowd barrier a block west of the rally and told him that every direction I’d been given had led to dead ends, so could I just slip in here? He actually asked me why I wanted to get in. That surprised me. I said, to hear the speakers. He let me in and that was that.

Official voice of “moderate media”, Fox News plays blurb of Rauf calling for thoughtfulness or something. HUDNA.

Really this whole ground zero mosque thing is silly. A bunch of non-sense. Pamella I love your work and what you do for the cause of Freedom. However, there are more vital things to focus on that we should be making way more noise about, trying to stop them and bringing them to justice (CAIR And all their cronies).
I’m talking aboout the high level infiltration of the Bureaucratic Elite in Washington and the Military by those who are pro Jihad or are sympathetic and make it easier for the jihadists, either by being bought off with saudi money or simply are motivated ideologically. We must stop them at all cost.
Why are we talking about this mosque? when what happened at Fort Worth in Texas was way (even though this mosque is insidious as well) worse. Where CAIR cronies came in to give “sensitivity training” to the soldiers that survived the ordeal and the rest of the personnel.

It seems as though I am the lone wolf on the east coast supporting the leavenworth 10.You people are so eat up with ground zero that you neglect the soldiers who fought the war and went to prison for it. I am hoping that any parent who has a kid who wants to be a soldier have his child read the story of Lt Michael Behenna. Unjustly convicted by the military for killing al-qu-da . Families afraid to say a word because they grasp some hope of clemency for their loved one. It is a sad state of a fairs that these soldiers were railroaded by there superiors and now are POWs here in America Held by Americans where is the Justice. There are 10 soldiers who should be free and where is the out cry of support? There is none. Where is the news media. They are on a story about a book burning and not a good book to boot. I urge all kids who get a call from a military recruiter to bring up the the cases of the L-10 and isnt it silly to have this blogger dressed up as super women when she has done nothing super for AMERICAN POWs IN AMERICA After the way some of these soldiers have been treated they would still finish there tour of duty in Iraq or Afganistan today if they could. What an ungreatful nation we have.Joe DiPietro badjoe242muleskinners http://WWW.defendmechaelbehenna.com [email protected]

Yes,. Pamela, our own alternative network. . .
Today I had a chance conversation with a shopkeeper whose opinion was at the opposite end of the spectrum from mine. Without boring everyone with the details, I found we agreed about the lack of women’s rights, and the barbarity of genital mutilation, and sharia law. And THEN she backed up about appeasement; and agreed that maybe in certain situations we had to take a stand; and then she mentioned Switzerland and their new law – she wouldn’t want to hear the muezzin call in her neighborhood 5 times a day. . . and I left her shop wondering if a lot of folks are just afraid to even talk about this at all – sharia is already having its way with us.
I’m going to open my mouth more often and I’ve already started writing to any elected official I feel like writing to, and I’m keeping a presence online in various comment sections – and that’s just the beginning! Thank you Pamela, for your inspirational work!

“I got the feeling that more than anything else, the crowd supporting the mosque most wanted to go around the corner in street-gang form and kick the crap out of a few people at the anti-mosque rally. The crowd was seething, driven by an animus that was close to blood lust. ”
This doesn’t surprise me at all. Posted comments of liberals often ooze of the same.

I regret actually making an exact numerical count. My estimation may not be as high as the actual count, however, I do know that the crowd was at least four times larger than the rally in June. I was at both rallies….. and both were great……… Regardless of how many people were at Pam’s 9/11 event, the mainstream media distorted and minimized the event and the amount of people that attended. Kudos to the police as well, there were many bad apples at the “pro mosque” rally and it seemed like the police were quite aware of it.

However, they would probably be challenging Giuliani in courts…with registered Democrats dominating the New York court system.

The Ground Zero mosque.
Lets accept as true the fallowing hypothesis for just a few minutes:
a) Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf might be a sincere man, acting in good faith, and not under the taqqilla’s and sharia’s principles.
b) the international terrorism “jihad” has nothing to do with the projected mosque at Ground Zero.
c) President Obama is a legitimate and natural born American citizen.
The slightest doubt about matters so sensitive and so directly connected with the national security can’t be justified, under no circumstances¡