“Poor-Man’s PCP”

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More of what the media isn't telling you about Trayvon Martin's thug life. The story of the six foot two inch little boy who went to the store for some Skittles and Arizona Watermelon Fruit Cocktail Juice to satisfy a young man's sweet tooth is just another vicious media fiction.

Andrea Shea King here:

Among its reports, Trayvon Martin’s drug use,
explaining how the Skittles and Arizona Watermelon Fruit Juice Cocktail
drink he carried that night are ingredients that, when mixed with
dextromethorphan (DXM) cough syrup, create “Lean”, a concocted high which can cause psychosis and aggression over the longer term. According to the autopsy report, Martin’s liver showed damage consistent with DXM abuse.

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Among the several writers who inhabit the “Treehouse” is this blogger whose earlier rebuttal to progressives accurately defined the battle lines that have been drawn.

So, with a ton of interest focused on the trial of George Zimmerman,
tweeters had a field day adding gallows humor and comparing the
resemblance of presiding Judge Debra Nelson to the late actor Chris
Farley. Take a look.

The Last Refuge has it all here:

After further reflection this drug use aspect may actually lead to
the greatest understanding, and key, to the whole case.   Understanding
exactly where the mindset was of both Trayvon Martin and George
Zimmerman, and what influences are now readily available and out in the
public forum, a number of questions are now finding answers about that
evening’s events, most importantly what precipitated and led to Trayvon
Martin’s approach toward being questioned by George Zimmerman.

So I suppose I should start by answering the obvious: “what in the
heck is Dedicated Dad talking about”, and how would research answer
questions about “intent”? 

The substance of research was prodded by with this graphic
of unknown attribution, dealing with the possibility that Trayvon
Martin was not only an illegal drug-user, but possibly a drug-dealer.
   (Large file version here)
While the “graphic” itself is unattributed, the content within the
graphic was easy, at the time, to confirm with a quick review of
Trayvon’s Facebook page and extensive work already done by the TreeHouse and multiple websites including Wagist.

Go ahead and review the whole thing,
because while it most certainly is “controversial” it is also a good
substantive fact-based background in Trayvon’s own words.   But, again
it is only background,  and more information is needed for the rest of
this discussion.  We will highlight some sections of it, from Trayvon
Martin’s own words, throughout this explanation because it speaks to a
“directional sense” in the lifestyle of an evolving teenager.

As I use these Facebook discussions from Trayvon I’m going to correct
the ebonics unless it seems necessary to reference directly to the
source.  Otherwise  I’ll do my best to interpret it into something
people unfamiliar with nuance within a “cultural language” can
understand.

Let’s begin about mid-way down the page on the left-hand side, where Martin says:

unow a connect for codine” or

“do you know of a connection for codeine”?

Trayvon is seeking a source for the prescription drug Codeine.
Eventually we learn that he’s not seeking the pill form, but rather a
“liquid” form, which he says he’s “had…before.”

His friend responds that he doesn’t NEED codeine – that he can just mix Robitussin and soda to make…

“…some fire @$$ lean.”

Our first question then becomes “What exactly is “lean”"?

WHAT IS “LEAN” ?

According to Urban Dictionary, “Lean” is described as follows:

“…  6. Lean is a mixed drink originating in the Southern Rap culture. It is a mixture of Promethazine and Codeine cough syrup and a soft drink such as Sprite (usually). While other soft drinks may be used, Sprite was the original.

[And now also Arizona Watermelon for Watermelon Drank/Lean]

There are some variations of Lean. For example, Promethazine and
Codeine syrup is usually Purple in color. But there are other colors of
syrup that work the same way. There is a golden-colored syrup
(hydrocodone based) and other colors as well.

Lean slows you down. It makes you feel good. It’s meant to be sipped
on, and it taste damn good. One of the best feelings you will ever
experience. Euphoria with a hint of sedation. …”

Lean is also the drug mixture that killed Pimp C.  nigga pimp c died on an overdose of lean  (urban dictionary descriptive)

OK, so now we know Trayvon is seeking a source for a powerful cough
syrup, commonly used in the ”drug culture or circle” to make an
intoxicating drink called “Lean” – also known as the infamous “purple drank/Purple Lean/Lean/Sizzurp.”

Purple Lean, or Lean, is an intoxicating beverage also known by the names lean, sizzurp, and liquid codeine.
It is commonly abused by southern rappers and wannabe suburban
teenagers. It is a mixture of Promethazine/Codeine cough syrup and
sprite, or other beverage [such as Arizona Watermelon]  with a few jolly ranchers and/or skittles thrown in.

There are your “DXM”  ”Watermelon Lean” Ingredients

Arizona Watermelon Juice purchased from 7-11 included in the Crime Scene Photographs and incorrectly listed/discussed as “Tea” by Benjamin Crump, the media, and even police reporting authorities.

Promethazine with codeine, consumed in such large amounts as is popular with such southern rappers as lil wayne, slim thug, and Big Moe, produces an opiate-like high that is potentiated by the Promethazine.

Promethazine by itself will not produce a high. The beverage must be sipped slowly, and not guzzled, in order to avoid unconsciousness and/or life threatening overdose.

But what does this have to do with Robitussin or “DXM”? Trayvon clarifies in his next message:

“codine is a higher dose of dxm”

As the conversation continues, Trayvon indicates that he plans to
quit smoking marijuana because he doesn’t want to risk being busted or
“roped”, because it is discoverable in drug testing, and possession of
Marijuana is illegal…..  (Obviously he never did actually quit)

….. and further believes he can obtain the same high by drinking “Lean” .  But that’s not nearly as important as the fact that he’s
clearly under the impression that prescription Codine is a stronger
form of the drug DXM found in various versions of cough suppressant or
cough medications
.

So, what then exactly is “DXM“?

DXM” is an abbreviation for the cough suppressant Dextromethorphan Hydrobromide — which is the active ingredient in the cough-syrup brand Robitussin.

According to numerous websites found with a search, DXM is
increasingly being abused as a recreational drug.  One of the more
scholarly and scientific sites found with in-depth analysis of DXM and
its various uses is “Erowid.org“. According to its “FAQ”, Erowid is:

“…a small non-commercial organization that operates in
the controversial and politically challenging niche of trying to provide
accurate, specific, and responsible information about how
psychoactives are used in the United States and around the world.    We
are committed to protecting the privacy of contributors and reporting on
the topic non-judgmentally. Although our primary focus is on the
Erowid.org web site, we also provide research and data for other harm
reduction, health, and educational organizations.”

In short, it’s a site filled with information on various forms of
drug abuse, mostly to enable the abusers to do so with as little risk as
possible.   It is not within the scope of this discussion to make any
value judgements about this fact so we’ll continue our discussion –
considering Erowid a valuable resource for our research and typical of
the sort of information someone can easily locate on today’s Internet.

According to Erowid’s ”DXM Home Page“:

DXM is a widely available over-the-counter cough suppressant. When taken far above its standard medical dosage, it is a strong dissociative used primarily by teens.

Their “DXM Basics” page further makes clear that it is:

a semisynthetic opiate derivative which is
legally available over-the-counter in the United States. It is most
commonly found in cough suppressants, especially those with “DM” or
“Tuss” in their names. It is almost always used orally, although pure
DXM powder is occasionally snorted

At this point you’re probably thinking – as I did at first – “how bad can this stuff be if it’s available over the counter!”   However, as we’ll see, it’s actually startlingly dangerous stuff!

Erowid begins to hint at DXM’s seriousness in their “DXM Basics” discussion:

“…High doses … are sometimes compared to the effects of other dissociatives such as PCP or ketamine…”

This stuff is compared to PCP ?   This is no exaggeration! DXM in higher doses is actually a very volatile and dangerous drug, and they are quite right when they compare DXM to PCP and Ketamine!

In fact, the drug has come to be known in some circles as “Poor-Man’s PCP!

Perhaps more importantly, unlike marijuana and many other drugs of abuse, DXM does not cause sedation, and in fact can produce profound agitation  hence the comparison to PCP.     In the  “DXM Basics – Problems” section, Erowid notes:

“…DXM causes physical and psychological effects that may
be frightening or unpleasant… Psychological effects can include profound
disorientation, depression, a feeling of personal disintegration, or a
feeling of “unreality” and disconnection that may persist for days. Chronic use may cause depression, psychological dependency, and possibly brain damage. Large doses may be associated with psychotic breaks…”

It was at this point that I first noted the feeling of the hair
standing up on the back of my neck – but this sensation would become
much more common and pronounced as I continued reading and gaining
understanding.

One of the best sources I’ve found for DXM info is Erowid.org’s “DXM Vault.” One article in particular was especially helpful – “The DXM FAQ by William E. White – Version 4“,  published at the previously linked site Erowid.org.

This document is, to be blunt, written for “recreational users” of DXM – those who will use it “to get high.” I will refer to “recreational use” by its proper term: Abuse.

In the document’s “Introduction”, the author notes that as the number
of people abusing DXM has grown since he published the first version of
his FAQ, so to the number of adverse effects and problems has also
grown:

“… A few people, on the other hand, seem to be greatly susceptible to DXM addiction and some of these have suffered long-term health consequences.
A very few may have suffered permanent brain damage from extremely
heavy use of DXM (e.g., an 8oz bottle of Maximum Strength syrup every
day). On the other hand, some people consume the same amount for years
seemingly without consequence. And while some people can consume
DXM regularly without psychological consequences, others suffer from
severe depression and psychotic breaks, even leading to a few cases of
suicide attempts
…”

He goes on to note the growing indications that there is a possibility of a phenomenon called “NMDA Antagonist Neurotoxicity (NAN)” – microscopic holes in the brain called “Olney’s Lesions.”

Perhaps with the understanding that Trayvon used “Lean” to get high the Medical Examiners notes in the autopsy of Trayvon’s brain cultures now have a new light shed upon them.

For these reasons, the author points out, ”as of the time of his
writing  (coincidentally in 1995, the year Trayvon was born!) there just
wasn’t any significant quantity of medical research into the long-term
effects of DXM abuse, which he hopes (unsuccessfully, as it turns out)
will be resolved in the following years, and notes “…Until then, my official recommendation is not to use DXM at all!

Of course he knows people will not stop using, so he goes on to express his “own personal belief that DXM is probably pretty safe when used occasionally (e.g., once or twice a month) at the lower plateaus, and rarely (e.g., once or twice a year) at the higher plateaus.”

Mr. White then gives hints at the otherwise unclear “data” he’s gathered by saying “I
have yet to hear from anyone who used DXM with this or less frequency
who has suffered any impairment, temporary or permanent.   Actually, to
be technically correct, nobody using it once a week for less
than six months has ever seemed to have problems, but it’s always best
to keep a wide safety margin
…”

Unfortunately, teenage boys, especially those from within Trayvon’s
cultural demographic, are not known for their temperance, much less “keep[ing] a wide safety margin.

To the contrary, it’s likely that a young man like Trayvon would
consider Robitussin an easily obtained standby for times when marijuana
was unavailable.  In his own words he has already expressed his opinion
that it gives him “the same vibe” – and he is in fact likely to PREFER the DXM as it’s less likely to get him “roped” (busted).

Subsequently a rational framing would be the odds of him limiting his use to “once a week for less than six months” is highly unlikely.   We know from his own words to his friends that Trayvon has used DXM as far back as June 2011.

Even more troubling, the author goes on to note:

“Another thing to keep in mind is that DXM in the upper plateaus is a considerably different experience than the lower plateaus, and may be better suited to spiritual or ritual use. Even at the lower plateaus, DXM is not really well suited as a frequent recreational drug

… In summary, I’m not nearly as convinced that DXM is a benevolent psychedelic as I used to be. It is in many ways considerably more powerful (and certainly more dangerous) than LSD or mushrooms.
Like all psychedelics it can profoundly change you; unlike others,
these changes are not necessarily under your control, especially if you
are not very familiar with yourself.

I don’t think there are too many people less “familiar with themselves
than teenagers whose sense of ”self” is still highly formative. 
The concern from this discovery was growing quickly, but this next
section really took the feeling of concern to entirely new heights:

DXM can be a great tool for spiritual rebirth, but it can also turn you into a paranoid, antisocial asshole… It is a unique and uniquely powerful mind-altering drug, and one which I think most people would do best to avoid. “

In short, the “drug-user world’s” foremost “expert” on DXM abuse is
clearly advising against regular, chronic use for some very good
reasons.   But if a teenager like Trayvon were even aware of such a
recommendation what degree of confidence would there be that the
would actually heed it?  Remember, this is a young man who thinks “codeine is a higher dose of DXM” and is actively seeking to find it.

Therefore, the odds of him accidentally and naively stumbling into enough of a habit to render himself “A paranoid, antisocial asshole“, in the words of Mr. White, are probably quite high.

But… Let’s read on!

Physiology of DXM / Lean Use

We know from Trayvon’s own words that he’s experienced “lean” – and
since he knows what DXM is – but thinks the promethazine/codeine
cocktail is “a higher dose” then he’s also experienced DXM, at least at a
lower plateau.”

In answer to the question “What’s the DXM Trip Like” the author says:

“Well, that depends on how much you take. There are four
different kinds of experiences, based on the dosage; these are called
plateaus.

The first plateau is a
mild stimulant effect with a little bit of a buzz, and has been
compared to MDA [a more psychedelic cousin of MDMA -aka-"Ecstasy"].

The second plateau is more intoxicating and has been compared to being drunk and stoned at the same time.

The third plateau is dissociative, like a lower dose of ketamine.

The fourth plateau is fully dissociative like a higher dose of ketamine.

You should not [emphasis original!]
attempt higher plateau doses unless you have someone with you who can
take care of you in case you get sick or freak out. It happens on DXM.

Many things can happen unexpectedly on upper plateaus,
such as spontaneous memory recall, complex delusions, hallucinations,
out-of-body experiences, near-death experiences, and perceived contact
with spiritual or alien entities. You need to be pretty stable and grounded before you can handle these things“.

“Stable and grounded” would not describe the behavioral or social
pattern of Trayvon Martin who was moved from house to house, parent to
parent, and surrounded by a litany of on-again, off-again, relationships
from his parent’s partners.    Could a “complex delusion” or “hallucination“ perhaps elicit a paranoia ”tracked” by George Zimmerman?

One thing is sure – young Trayvon was CLEARLY ANYTHING BUT  ”STABLE AND GROUNDED” in both his physical and emotional address.

In another section – Is DXM Dangerous” – the Author again makes note of the possibility of “bad trips…psychotic breaks…psychological addiction and depression and irreversible brain damage“.

To repeat the obvious, THIS IS VERY VOLATILE, DANGEROUS STUFF 
especially in the hands of an impulsive, cognitively immature, and
adolescent  minded individual like 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.

One of the problems with DXM is that with long-term or regular use  “most
of the pleasurable effects of DXM tend to go away … Tolerance can build
rapidly, leaving one only with a general sensation of being high and
stupid.

In young and impulsive individuals, this can lead the person to take higher doses, looking for the same “vibe“, and thus accidentally lead the individual to find themselves on a much higher “plateau” than they intended.

Lacking both the knowledge and experience to understand what is
happening to them, and the skills or assistance needed to deal with
the ”surprise” effects,  an ungrounded teen can suddenly find themselves
in a dangerous – even potentially fatal – situation!

The “FAQ” lists the following “Risks” (among others):

  • “Major Risks of Occasional Use:
  •  
    • Panic Attacks
    • Psychotic Breaks
    • Impaired Judgement in Critical Situations (!!)
  • “Risks of Regular Use and Binges:
    • Mania
    • Violent Ideations, Antisocial Behavior and Paranoia
    • Habituation and Psychological Addiction
    • Tolerance and Physical Addiction
    • Psychosis
    • Liver, Kidney and Pancreas Damage

At this point it is highly important to remember, or refer to, the coroners report about Trayvon’s Liver?  (a screen grab is below)

In addition to the risks of DXM itself, many
DXM-containing products contain other active ingredients that can be
dangerous. Common additives include acetaminophen (Tylenol), which can
cause fatal liver-damage in large doses.   Products containing Chlorpheniramine Maleate such as Coricidin Cough and Cold should especially be avoided.   See DXM Health for more information.

When you take acetaminophen,
[such as would be used in making Purple/Watermelon Lean]  your liver
breaks it down into a substance called N-acetyl-p-benzoquinone imine, or
NAPQI, which is toxic to your liver  […]  Your liver contains an
antioxidant called glutathione that can keep NAPQI from causing damage,
but too much acetaminophen reduces glutathione and leaves your liver
open to harm […]  acetaminophen only causes liver damage if you take
more than your body can handle.

These post-mortem symptoms of DXM use would also mask themselves as a
variety of causes for ‘mild fatty metamorphosis of the liver’ if you
were not specifically knowledgable of the subject’s history.   Obviously
in this example neither Tracy Martin, nor Sybrina Fulton would be
informing the Medical Examiner of prior drug use.

We can confirm from his Facebook and Twitter Accounts that Trayvon
had essentially been “sippin sippin” (using Lean or DXM) for at least a
year, perhaps longer.  It would appear from the Medical Examiners report
Trayvon’s liver was showing the early indicators of excessive use
consistent with such a timeframe.

Psychology of DXM Use

“…Be very careful in trying to restrain the tripper, since she or he may perceive this as a threat, and will probably be mostly immune to pain...the tripper, like a cornered animal, could beat the living shit out of you without thinking twice. (!!) …”

So, where does all of this lead?  At this point, after reviewing all
the information, it appears quite probable that a pattern of drug
cocktail use specifically led to the mindset, or psychological
environment, between George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin on the night of
February 26th.

The tone or hostility of the encounter, and Trayvon’s response to
being confronted, would more easily be understood against the backdrop
of the discovery for his prior drug use; and more specifically the types
of drugs being used.

It is quite possible that Trayvon Martin – experiencing the tolerance
effects caused by chronic use of DXM - potentially took a larger dose
of DXM than he’d had before,  or at the very least was recently
indulging himself in an admitted actitity.   Maybe even suffered a
“psychotic break”, but at least the behavioral paranoia and
psychological stress consistent with the use of long-term DXM use might
have to a physical and psychological reaction to questions by George
Zimmerman, and ultimately to his aggressive response.

Trayvon would not necessarily have needed to be under the “immediate
influence” of the “trip” at the time (Robotrippin’), he could just
as easily have been preparing for his next “trip” while still holding
the long-lasting effects from prior use.   The timing of prior use may
contribute to his emotional state, or the cumulative effect could have
been a contributing factor.  Both are just as potentially dangerous.

If however, Martin was in the midst of a stress induced ”psychotic break”, or under duress exacerbated by George Zimmerman’s “eyeballing him“,
well, then, there’s really nothing George Zimmerman could have done
once the confrontation began.   Any confrontation at all could have led
to the same outcome.

The FAQ advises a “Tripper’s” “Safety Person” to:

“…Instead of restraint, try talking him or her down. Be
calm, soothing, and repeatedly remind the tripper that they have taken a
drug which has critically impaired their perceptions. Remind them of
who they are and how they got here, and that the experience will end…”

That sounds great, on paper, - except for the fact that George Zimmerman had no idea Trayvon Martin was potentially “Robo-tripping“, and it’s rather difficult to “be calm, soothing” and so on when the “tripper” has already snapped and is busy “beat[ing] the snot out of you without thinking twice!!

Common Sense

We know from Trayvon himself that last summer, between the school years, in or around June 2011, Trayvon was engaged in DXM/Lean and Marijuana use.  
We also know there are multiple behavioral side effects from DSM/Lean
use.   Those side effects and impacts on cognitive judgement increase
with prolonged exposure.   The more you use, the worse the psychological
affects are.

Now consider this in the developing physiology of a teen in the full
hormone raging puberty phase of 15/16/17 years of age and you can
magnify those psychological and physiological effects exponentially.

Hormones = Sex = Teenage boy normal.

Hormones + psychotic psychological addiction from DXM/Lean drug
effects = Super Aggressive Sexual Thoughts, actions, expressions.
Teenage boy NOT normal.

It would be intellectually dishonest to frame as coincidental or
disconnected that he apparently started seriously engaging in the
DXM/Lean/Pot culture in the summer break of 2011
and then was suspended from school three times for behavioral issues in
the very next school year.   A rapid downward progression would be an
inevitable outcome from frequent use of DXM and Marijuana. 

Trayvon also subscribed to the U-Tube feeds  of
drug use, drug culture, street violence and activities in this same
Summer between school years.   Not accidentally in the same timeframe
he gained significant interest in MMA style street fighting.   This is
not at all just random coincidence.  As we have meticulously
outlined aggressive anti-social behavior is a specific, frequent, and
documented side effect from DXM/Lean use.

Trayvon was admittedly, according to his Facebook conversations, a
user of DXM and Purple Drank/Lean since at least June 2011.   He was
also an admitted smoker of Marijuana which was found in both his urine
and blood tests.   His liver indicates the beginning stages of an
unusual degrading known as “mild fatty metamorphasis”, and his brain
tissue appeared compromised, both conditions symptomatic of DXM use.

In addition he was suspended from school three times in the past
seven months  prior to the shooting for behavioral issues.  He was
detached from adult supervision at the time in question, in a relatively
unfamiliar place, and according to his father Tracy Martin, grounded.  
His girlfriend describes their phone call as Trayvon being “paranoid”.

Trayvon makes a trip to the store and buys two of the specific three
ingredients needed to blend a drug cocktail he was well versed in making
(Lean).  And appeared slightly exagerrated, tenuous, and
wobbly (swaying) when you objectively review his physical movements on
the video of the store during the purchase.

He was a little more than a half a mile from home (Brandy’s house),
yet he left the store at 6:24 and was first noted at the clubhouse at
7:09pm.   If he intended to go straight home from the store, and under
normal cognitive capacity, he should have made the 1/2 mile trip in well
under 30 minutes, well under.

The facts, and new understanding, as it now presents itself, would
certainly lend weight to the strong possibility that Trayvon Martin was
motor impaired, or at least influenced, by some altering condition.   At
the very least this bears considerable merit for further inquiry, and a
serious toxicological analysis for an understanding of exactly what
metabolic influences may have been in place at the time of the encounter
between George and Trayvon.

The toxicology review should specifically look for trace evidence and
levels of DXM agents in his system.  Both to understand if he was
robotrippin’ at the immediate time of encounter, as well as if longer
term use created a cumulative effect, and was a contributing factor in
his physiology or state of mind.   One such well known, and well
documented side-effect is “anger”, or, “violent temperment”.

  • 7-11 Store Check out time 6:24pm  -  Shooting 7:17pm
  • 53 minutes from the time Trayvon left the store to when he was shot.
  • 53 minutes to travel .60/mile

Zimmerman: Hey we’ve had some break-ins
in my neighborhood, and there’s a real suspicious guy, uh, [near]
Retreat View Circle, um, the best address I can give you is 111 Retreat
View Circle. This guy looks like he’s up to no good, or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around, looking about.

By
Dedicated Dad  – Now knowing all of this information, take a closer
look at the new discovery for what REALLY happened at the 7-11 on the
night in Question.    This too, opens eyes to a FAR GREATER
UNDERSTANDING.

CLICK HERE to continue…

 

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BessieLeeCletus
BessieLeeCletus
10 years ago

I think it’s funny how ONE right wing racist posts about how trayvon was making drugs, and gets the recipe WRONG, and everyone writes teh same HORSE SHIT.
but according to the paramedic repott, ZIMMERMAN was actually on two anti pychotics that make you aggressive, delusional, and paranoid.
Fact > fiction
I also have screen prints of zimmerman’s myspace profile where he fantasizes about running over mexicans cuz they dent cars when no one is watching.
And when I linked that profile and the articles about zimmermans drugs, she banned me and deleted my articles.
The reason you republicans will keep losing elections, is because YOU HAVE AN UNCANNY ABILITY TO JUST MAKE SHIT UP.

BessieLeeCletus
BessieLeeCletus
10 years ago

SPRITE AND ROBOTUSSIN, NOT SKITTLES AND TEA.
But I know this site is run by right wing extremists and lets face it, you guys don’t want facts.
I expect to be banned and this post with links to zimmerman’s racism and drug abuse, DELETED.
https://twitter.com/BessieLeeCletus/status/357280369411756032/photo/1
http://globalgrind.com/news/george-zimmerman–drugs-violent-side-effects-killed-trayvon-martin-details

dagawker
dagawker
10 years ago

Pam,this is not a well thought out post?Are you trying to be an advocate for choice or decision?

Dan
Dan
10 years ago

Personally I suspect that Trayvon had simply gone out to buy a bag of weed. He was walking back, possibly casing the area for a few break ins and this narc looking guy looked like he was doing surveillance. Trayvon ran to hide the stash at ms Green’s condo and Trayvon decided to see if the narc was a narc and doubled back. Then he realized he had a NW civilian and proceeded to teach the uppity cracker a lesson with his fists.
He may well have realized Zimmerman was a NW type when he circled Zimmerman’s car.

Dan
Dan
10 years ago

The Zimmerman case is a pretty good example of trying to turn citizens into emasculated Dhimmis.
The female jury appear to have endorsed good citizenship and opposed the faux civil rights intifada of the urban menace.
Well Done ladies.

Debi Brand
Debi Brand
10 years ago

“53 minutes to travel .60/mile”
All but laughable.
Yes, indeed, one can easily understand how tough such a trek can be on a body, especially one 17, lean, and right about 6 ft tall.

Debi Brand
Debi Brand
10 years ago

Indeed, Dan, across the board.

James Linnstrom
James Linnstrom
10 years ago

We are just speculating what triggered Trayvon to launch his violent attack against George Zimmerman. It could be anything from trying out his MMA punching style to drug induced rage to Trayvon thinking George Zimmerman was a homosexual stalker.
What is clear from physical evidence is that George Zimmerman was beaten up very badly and Trayvon was not even touched (except for the gun shot wound). The evidence points to severely beaten Zimmerman was in fear for his life. That is why he fired his gun and the Jury agreed with him that it was in self defence.
Clearly Trayvon was the aggressor and the evidence show that Zimmerman was acting in self defence. Legal case is closed. Everything else is speculation for entertainment purpose.

Dan
Dan
10 years ago

Nothing wrong with speculation.
20 minutes with Rachel Jeantel on the witness stand in a civil case will reveal exactly what she said and how she encouraged whoopass on the cracker. This is a coordinated hoax. a civil suit will be fantastically entertaining as it would be open season on the
Martin/Fulton/Green clan and their willing accomplice Rachel Jeantel. If TM thought he was being tailed by a racist he should have called the cops. He was obviously carrying contraband, deposited it at the Green’s condo and then doubled back. Once he realized
Zimmerman was not a cop he launched his attack.

Barb
Barb
10 years ago

Too much info. here for Dessie–er–Bessie. Take too long to read it all.

Ain't falling for the race card
Ain't falling for the race card
10 years ago

What is that stupid crap about Mexicans in that image? It’s incomprehensible.
And so what if Zimmerman – whose mother is PERUVIAN – was complaining about violent gangs of fellow hispanics?
Take your head out of your ass, Bessie.
Did you even read this post? Even if Zimmerman was on drugs, so was Martin, apparently, looking for trouble and committing crimes.
Did you see the wounds on Zimmerman’s head? Sounds like he was acting in self-defense to me. The jury had more facts than you or I do – of that, I’m sure.
We will not be ruled by mobs of thugs shrieking about bogus racism and threatening violence in the streets. That’s how deranged Muslim fanatics behave – Martin’s family surely cannot be proud of such despicable behaviors trying to intimidate people into compliance through violence in the streets.

Ain't falling for the race card
Ain't falling for the race card
10 years ago

And how do you know what the right recipe for this trashy drug is, Bessie?
You really sound like an idiot. Calling people “racist” who you don’t even know is a sign of a very stupid and low-class individual.
As I say, who gives a shit if the Peruvian was complaining about violent Mexicans?
You’re not rational. Get a grip on clear your mind. YOU are the one seeing race everywhere. YOU are the racist, apparently.

DaveD
Dave
10 years ago

Overall…VERY GOOD article.
I doubt if we will ever know if “TM” was on this or going to make some.
Maybe this whole “issue” boils down to(for BOTH individuals) Wrong place…Wrong time. The thugs who “glamorize” the ‘gangsta’ lifestyle are also to blame. As-far-as this “issue” being race related…it WASN’T until Al Sharpton inserted himself into the issue and started his brand of “race-baiting and hate mongering”.

DaveD
Dave
10 years ago

“BessieLeeCletus”
Just face it…the jury made their decision based on the evidence and not on emotion the way the liberal prosecutors wanted, the media wanted, Al Sharpton wanted and the way ol’ Barry wanted.(gotta ask…just WHY did HE insert himself into this?)
Now…the “prosecution” is getting ready for a “shit-storm” for witholding evidence from the defense.(Brady violation)And IF they let the Judge know about this evidence…it’s “exparte communication” and they could face disbarrment over just that “violation”. These are Facts…and it WASN’T the defense who did this…it was the “Left-leaning”, “politically correct” prosecution who did this.

Dan
Dan
10 years ago

The presence of this guest in the gated community, nay this son of a guest, on school suspension obliterated the entire point of having a gated community. I’m surprised Ms Green agreed to host this troubled young man, or that she failed to tell him to stay indoors “you re grounded young man.” His father was cohabiting with Ms Green while he was married.
What is the point of a gated community again? It’s designed to keep undesirable riffraff out and secure the safety and security of the mortgage and fees paying owners or tenants. Instead a surly drugged up, unsupervised suspended thug walks around like he owns the place and gets himself shot after battering a neighborhood watch volunteer from the mortgage paying fee paying gated community.

Kinderling
Kinderling
10 years ago

Hi BessieLee,
Bob Owens has a view on the side effects of the drugs Mr Zimmerman was prescribed:
http://www.bob-owens.com/2012/05/adderall-and-temazepam-the-drugs-that-bore-no-role-in-trayvon-martins-death/
What interests me more, is what behavior he had, when he had not taken them.

Jack Kemp
Jack Kemp
10 years ago

I happen to be listening to the audiobook of J. Christian Adams’ “Injustice.” Attorney Adams quit the Dept. of Justice because they wouldn’t prosecute the New Black Panther voter intimidation case from Philadelphia. At approx. the 7h 34m mark Adams states that Atty. Gen. Holder and his radical underlings are now looking to sue schools that suspend or whatever black males in greater proportion than their percentage of the school population (9 percent) because that is alleged proof of discrimination against blacks. People like Rush Limbaugh – and myself – have criticized the schools for not sending Trayvon to Juvenile Court which might have taught them some respect or fear of the law – and may have resulted in Trayvon not being out roaming about the night he was killed, i.e., he would have been alive today. But the schools weren’t being derelict in their duty – they were being subordinated to the fed’s DOJ with fear of a lawsuit, loss of funding, bad publicity, etc.

BruceHinton
BruceHinton
10 years ago

How do so many yoots afford those gold grilles?

mzungu
mzungu
10 years ago

I am so glad the right person is dead as a door nail, deep 6 and stiff as a board. One less drug addict out there and one less drug dealer.

James Linnstrom
James Linnstrom
10 years ago

Based on life history of George Zimmerman, we can surely rule out racism as his motivation. The guy is practically an honorary member of NAACP.

ApolloSpeaks
ApolloSpeaks
10 years ago

THE BOTTOM LINE ON TRAYVON
If he was a good, decent, straight, law abiding citizen (like Zimmerman) he’d be alive today-he wouldn’t have been in Twin Lakes that night as he was sent there by his mother because he was suspended from school for drug possession.

Not an eloi
Not an eloi
10 years ago

The DOJ is not stupid. They knew the evidence wasn’t there. The purpose of this is to change the law to force citizens
To retreat and to disarm citizens.. Zimmerman was pinned so he couldn’t retreat. The facts do not matter. It really is the objective of
This administration to disarm citizens and prove racism so that affirmative action never ends and black privilege is asserted. We will never
Have that honest discussion about race and the chaos in the black community.
Even Jesse Jackson asserted he was afraid of young black males. At this moment they are particularly scary and vicious.
P

Eli
Eli
10 years ago

Says the crazy nutbar. A useful tip: There’s two types of lean, lean made with iced tea+skittles+robitussin, and fire ass lean made using codeine and another depressant.
Sadly I learned more in a year when I was looking to be a cop, then I can ever forget.

Choi
Choi
10 years ago

HOW MANY TIMES DID YOU VOTE DEMOCRATIC UNDER THIS BULLSHIT NAME YOU’RE USING,TROLL?
HOW MUCH DID THE UNIONS PAY YOU FOR EACH VOTE?
How many on E-Day?
How many during ‘Early Voting”?
How many Absentee?
In how many precincts?>municipalities?>Counties?> and yes, States?
Be Honest,”Bessie Lee”,your professsion is PROFESSIONAL VOTER

T
T
10 years ago

Despite the fact that Conservative Treehouse said so, and Andrea Shea King gave it wider audience, ther is nothing in the autopsy report about liver damage due to DXM use. Go ahead and click on the autopsy report and read for yourself. The findings are of a normal liver with mild scattered fatty deposits– which millions of otherwise normal people have. I took the issue up with Ms. King and she said I should take it up with the website she cribbed it from. P.S. I am a physician but anyone can click the link and see the stuff about DXM liver damage simply isn’t in the report. There is no commentary about liver damage or liver disease in the report. And yet people keep happily spreading that disinformation around.

jolynneharling@gmail.com
10 years ago

If this forumla for lean is so popular why isn’t there more awareness so that another person doesn’t become a “victim” or tragedy as Trayvon Martin did and by extension also George Zimmerman.

Maggie
Maggie
10 years ago

I’m kinda disappointed here. I am not “Bessie”. I am what “Bessie” would consider a right winger or worse. I read Pamela’s stuff pretty regularly and find it to be reasonable and useful.
However, the autopsy noted fatty liver deposits. There are many causes, the most common being alcohol abuse. To jump to a DXM finding is a leap. What do doctors say “You hear hoof beats, and think zebras when horses are more likely. I think the post is misleading b/c it will be repeated by people who don’t click the link and read the autopsy report for themselves.
As far as the “Lean” recipe, if it’s not sprite & jolly ranchers, but skittles and ice tea, then why link to the definition listing the former? Again, that’s misleading.
The kid is dead and the jury returned what is, in my mind, the correct verdict. This sort of misinformation helps no one. Let’s stick with provable facts. Wild speculation is not going to help anyone move on.

T
T
10 years ago

The report noted mild and scattered fatty deposits. It is normal to have up to 5-10% fat in a liver.

Tiza
Tiza
10 years ago

Are you saying that GZ was at the wrong place at the wrong time? I don’t see how people can say this. He lived there, and he was neighborhood watch.

Tiza
Tiza
10 years ago

Yeah, what’s the stuff about George talking about Mexicans? Just so whoever thinks George is racist saying that, my adopted daughter is part Mexican, Indian, white, and has some family from Guam. She’s married to a Mexican. Well, guess what she calls her husband when they’re playing? She calls him a crazy Mexican. They talk to other Mexican friends in this manner. Or they’ll say, oh, you’re just a wetback. This is how they talk. They’re not doing it to be racist.

Ray
Ray
10 years ago

Bessie, Bessie, Bessie. You can read, can’t you? The comments about hitting Mexicans and them denting cars is about them getting hit on purpose for insurance claims silly. And Restoril is a sleep-aid taken before one goes to bed because it makes you tired. The side effect you spoke of is a rare occurrence. And Adderall is for ADD. And you call everyone a racist. The world is not as black and white as you like to see it. You need to take a chill pill.

Rev. Misty
Rev. Misty
10 years ago

I am so disappointed in the comments/Twitter posted here. There are some seriously uneducated, UN-ENLIGHTENED and mostly UNAWARE people here; it’s so sad.
The boy “reaped what he sowed”. The End.

keller bell
keller bell
8 years ago

The complete and total ignorance in this post is unbelievable let me correct the dozens upon dozens of errors in your rant starting with him being a drug dealer your saying he is a drug dealer because he had a small bag of the remnants of weed? If he was selling it he wouldn’t still have the bag you don’t go around dumping weed in people’s hands when they buy drugs. Second of all why does it matter if he was sellinh drugs? He was walking down the street minding his buisness until Zimmerman started following him around with a gun he obviously should have ran because now he is dead. You say maybe he wasn’t in school because he was out selling drugs explain to me how he can be selling drugs but no drugs and a very small amount of money was found on his person. You say he had two of the things that is needed to create lean this is the stupidest thing in your entire post first of all dxm and codeine are two completely different drugs second starbursts and Arizona tea isn’t an ingredient in lean anyway that is jolly ranchers and sprite I don’t understand how you do so much reasearch trying to prove this kid deserved to die and couldn’t do a simple Google search to check ANY of you facts. He was suspended from school for behavioral problems but George Zimmerman shot and killed a teenager for looking suspicious. No matter if he was a drug dealer or user he didn’t deserve to die and the facts are pointing that he was a occasional user ( due to the fact he didn’t even know the difference between the drugs he was taking and he had to ask for a connection) I don’t know what happened that day but neither do you no one does except for George Zimmerman and treyvon and treyvon isn’t around anymore. All I know is that if George Zimmerman would have left like the dispatcher instructed him to do and if he wasn’t followin him and if he didn’t get out of his car to confront him none of this would have happened and that teenager wouldn’t be dead. I hope when you go to the store to buy some sudafed and a lighter because “those are two ingredients needed to manufacture meth” have a nice terrible day

jake
jake
8 years ago

This post is absolutely pathetic. Why would you bother taking the time to write this to prove that Trayvon deserved to die? Using drugs doesn’t equal abuse. If you are prescribed anti-depressants, does that mean you ‘abuse’ them?! Or does using any drug the government deems illegal make you an ‘abuser’?
I can’t believe how much of a one-track mind you have, you have absolutley no honesty or ethics with the way you portrayed this story. I feel sorry for you that you would feel the need to make up lies and embellish false premises throughout this long, drawn out post.

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