[ April 24, 2024 ]
Commenter name: hani
Commenter email: [email protected]
IP address: 65.93.179.31
Let me make this perfectly clear. I will never sacrifice my freedom so as not to offend savages. And neither should any other American. The MTA may have injected an ambigous, unconstitutional, and thoroughly reckless revision into their ad policy in order to appease a lawless mob, but it will not stand.
And where were these same gutless cowards protesting against fascists and enemedia tools when the anti-Israel ads were running? Their ugly anti-semitic bias is painfully obvious.
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"Apply this to the current situation, and the implications are obvious. If we punish American citizens for engaging in otherwise constitutionally protected speech in order to prevent foreign terrorists from engaging in violent acts, then we cede to those very terrorists the meaning of the First Amendment. That doesn't sound very promising, does it?"
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Here is the bottom line. Whatever capitulation the MTA is hoping to make to the sharia, the fact is that our ads are running, and based on this new ruling, I intend to expand and increase my New York buy.
And the message the MTA is sending is that if you don't like something — riot, destroy, attack, spray paint innocent people with toxic paint, and you, too, can impose your barbaric agenda on civilized people.
Conservative’s Anti-Jihad Subway Ad Leads to New Policies: NYC Authority Can Now Ban Ads That Could ‘Incite or Provoke Violence’ Billy Hallowell, The Blaze
The epic battle between American Freedom Defense
Initiative executive director and blogger Pamela Geller and
The Metropolitan Transportation Authority (MTA) culminated with a court
decision that forced the transit authority to permit the display of
controversial ads about radical Islam. But the story didn’t end there.
As TheBlaze reported this morning,
Geller’s case caused the MTA to rethink the manner in which it handles
First Amendment issues, leading to the adoption of some
potentially-controversial measures.(Related: Read TheBlaze‘s initial report about the MTA’s changes here)
On Friday, TheBlaze spoke with a spokesperson who confirmed some of
the details surrounding the case, while clarifying the new changes that
passed on Thursday. As noted, one of the emergent provisions that was
added into the public company’s advertising standards in the wake of the
Geller debate allows the MTA to deny ads it believes could incite
violence (this was not mentioned in the press release the agency put out about the changes).As previously noted,
a document, reflecting yesterday’s changes, was provided by the MTA to
TheBlaze this morning. It highlights the transit authority’s advertising
standards and reads, in part, “The licensee (‘advertising contractor’)
shall not display or maintain any advertisement that falls within one or
more of the following categories.” One of the category sections reads:The advertisement, or any information contained in it, is
directly adverse to the commercial or administrative interests of the
MTA or is harmful to the morale of MTA employees or contains
material the display of which the MTA reasonably foresees would incite
or provoke violence or other immediate breach of the peace, and so harm,
disrupt, or interfere with safe, efficient, and orderly transit
operations.It is the portion presented in bold that is new to the regulations.
It’s inclusion is interesting for a number of reasons. On the surface,
it appears oddly placed in the list of grievances that could lead to the
banning of an advertisement. Furthermore, there is some ambiguity
regarding what led to the inclusion of the “violence” reference in the
first place.Here’s a screen shot from the official document:
A portion of the new advertising standards, with the highlighted "violence" reference (Photo Credit: MTA)
In an e-mail reply, MTA spokesperson Aaron Donovan told TheBlaze that
the change was among the “outstanding issues” that the agency was
looking to tackle in the new regulatory document.“Since we hadn’t updated our advertising standards in 15 years, we
used this opportunity to address several outstanding issues or potential
hypothetical situations,” he wrote. “This is one of them.”TheBlaze responded with additional questions about the motivations
for the change, asking how, in particular, the MTA’s court battle with
Geller impacted the new restriction on violent ads. Donovan responded,
admitting that the dilemma did play an integral role in the decision to
make the change.“The ad, and more specifically the litigation surrounding it, caused
us to think about a variety of potential scenarios and review our
standards more carefully within a prism of First Amendment law,” he
commented.Considering that the MTA has made its opposition to the ad’s message
known in the past — and taking into account continued calls for bans on
blasphemy and offensive messages — the natural question is: Will this
new regulation serve as a backdoor method for banning controversial ads
that take aim at specific faiths, like Islam?Photo Credit: American Freedom Defense Initiative/ABC News
To gain a better perspective, TheBlaze asked who would be involved in
the process of defining which messages incite violence and what the
metrics for doing so would be.“It would go through the same process we currently use to determine
whether ads meet the overall guidelines,” Donovan explained. “Ads are
submitted to our advertising contractor, CBS Outdoor, for posting and
approval.”Once the ads are submitted, Donovan said that CBS then decides which
ones need to be scrutinized more closely to ensure they meet guidelines.
Considering the other MTA regulation that was adopted on Thursday — the
requirement that political, religious and morality-based ads include a
disclaimer separating their ideals from the agency’s — the spokesperson
said that CBS would also be involved in flagging ads for that purpose.“The MTA’s final determination is made by the MTA’s Director of Real
Estate, in consultation with CBS Outdoor (our ad contractor), the MTA’s
General Counsel, the Chairman, and others he may choose to consult
with,” he continued, highlighting how potentially-violent ads will be
assessed.Still, considering these elements, the issue needs further
exploration. The language seems fluid enough to present further
First Amendment battles in the future — especially considering the
guidelines’ subjective nature.
UPDATE: Atlas reader LC comments:
I would like to make two points about the MTA's new rule:
1) With this rule, the MTA is allowing ads criticizing groups of people that probably will not commit violent acts, as a result of said ads. So, public criticism of the most dangerous ideologies/ behaviors/ groups will not be allowed. These are the groups that most deserve public scrutiny and criticism.
2)The MTA is acknowledging the truth, in this case, that jihadists are likely to become violent. Are they also making a "racist" statement with this new rule, as Ms. Gellar is accused of doing? Just what are they admitting? Apparently, they are afraid of acts of savagery being committed. But, I thought jihad was a peaceful, inner struggle.
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49 Comments
11 years ago
On the face of it, it seems some Eunchs running a public body have deceided that THEY cannot be trusted to perform their duty to the public in supporting free speach
with posters. If your council goes to court over this and WINS with costs Pam,
may i sugest David goes along to his nearest Jag dealer to look at a new XF,i think he might like it.
11 years ago
About “hani,” who will savagely murder anyone who calls his savage Jihadi comrades savages:
IP Address 65.93.179.31
Provider: Bell Canada
City: Richmond Hill, Ontario, Canada
Latitude: 43.8667
Longitude: -79.4333
E-mail checker (http://www.ip-address.org/verify/email-checker.php):
[email protected] is not
a valid deliverable e-mail box address.
Richmond Hill is about 8% Muslim compared to 2% for Canada as a whole.
We’ll be watching you!
11 years ago
Example incitement to violence in an ad might be: “Paint Mona Pink!”
11 years ago
Might I suggest learning to proof read. It might make your racist posts seem a little bit more credible. Just a thought.
“Let me make this perfectly clear. I will never sacrifice my freedom so as not to offend savages. And neither should any other America.”
11 years ago
It sounds like alot of double talk to me. It was already proven that they can’t ban an add that is offensive and incites violence, because this ad was allowed to go up whether the MTA wanted it or not. That kind of makes their new policies a moot point. You are allowed to have free speech, that is what the judge’s ruling said.
The MTA is trying to play pussy foot with the law. Anything that offends the morale of their employees can be banned. That could be just about anything. That could be a fat lady saying the picture of a thin model gives her low self esteem. That could be a poor rail conductor or a janitor saying that the pictures of taking vacations to Europe make them feel left out.
I have never heard of such a thing as that you can never offend anyone. This is like living in a twiltight zone. You then would have to walk on eggshells your whole life trying not to to be unpleasant. I thought NYC was for tough people who can deal with people from many cultures. That entails accepting what they don’t like and what they do like, accepting differences and conflicts and rolling with them instead of spraying them out of existence.
They are trying to turn NYC into some sanitized corporate Disneyland and I am sick of it. It doesn’t feel like NYC of the people any more, it feels like some tourist trap of commerical come ons that is fake and shallow and in the end brutal.
I thought people went to NYC to be shocked, offended and suprised by things. Now it will be just like another giant strip mall in the suburbs, everything guided by corporate policy, and no real life left in the people or environment.
Everything that made NYC fun is being stripped away. I am starting to hate it.
11 years ago
@pdxnag – What race are you referring to? Since I assume you are talking about Jihad loving muslims, last time I checked they come from many ethnicities(races) and nationalities. So therefore I come to the obvious conclusion that muslim is not a race. It is at best a political ideology, one that frequently plays it’s “race” and victimhood card, while simultaneously speaking out of the other side of their mouth and screaming Death to America and Death to Israel! We are not screaming death to you, we just want you to stop threatening us and our friends and go back to your own sandbox! And while I am at it, stop treating your women like dirt, and stop killing your own people who disagree with your ideology!
11 years ago
“Hani” and other Muslims who threaten anyone is really pushing it. If Muslims continue their threats against people they may just meet their own end. People are becoming extremely agitated about the Muslim problems in society that they deal with almost on a daily basis. They are agitated and frustrated because they feel nothing is being done, and the crimes are not being dealt with properly. They are also getting agitated that the leadership is allowing the continued import of these people while they want larger numbers deported. I’ve talked to police a few times to ask their stance on this issue and they have expressed concerned that violent attacks against Muslims will start taking place in the near future, due to this frustration originating from poor political leadership which the police is unable to do anything about.
11 years ago
Obama and his comrades are the real savages! They have enabled these filth to come to power. Mozlem “power” is totally dependent on those in the West and could have been easily crushed and the Saudis told: “If you don’t behave we will bankrupt you by never buying a drop of your oil ever again. You will return to the dark ages from whence you came!!”
There is so much oil and gas in the world it is not neccessary to buy from them to keep them in this state of unheard of wealth and luxury!!!
11 years ago
Pam, quick suggestion: Insert the words “Support Free Speech” in between “Support Israel” and “Defeat Jihad” and put the ad on t-shirts. I think you would sell a ton of them (I’d certainly buy one!) and give the message some legs 🙂
11 years ago
Pamela,
Have you and/or David Yerushalami ever considered prosecution under USC (Title 18) Sec. 242 or 243 if MTA tries to remove your posters? I think it might be a good idea. If fear is to be the deciding argument here, then maybe you and David Yerushalami should have a piece of the action. A title 18 242 and/or 243 prosecution, then a civil lawsuit would send that message effectively.
11 years ago
Good work RalphB.
That’s an international crime. I hope Canada deports his jihadi ass back to the desert.
11 years ago
I see the liberal pigs still have no problem putting the ladder up on the side of the barn and changing the laws as they suit them…
11 years ago
The MTA needs to fire their attorney. ‘reasonably foresee would incite or provoke violence or other immediate breach of the peace…’ That is so vague and so subjective, it would never survive litigation. What if I submitted an ad making fun of PETA and the MTA decided they ‘reasonably foresee’ the animal rights group PETA may protest my ad thus beaching the peace, would that be OK. The MTA once again turns their brains off and the courts will force them to get a clue. They would have been smarter to just ban all nonprofit ads as stupid as that would be rather than now create confusion and unconstitutional subjectivity. Hmmmm, sounds a lot like the case they just lost!
11 years ago
I knew one local gas seller who wouldn’t buy mideast oil. He only bought from Venezuela. I used to pay more for his gas for that reason. Maybe one way to get back at these people is to stop supporting their oil profits. Boycott buying their gas, take trains and busses, walk and ride bikes, stay home, whatever you can do to stop giving them profits for jihad.
I think the big corporate oil companies get most of their gas from the mideast. I usually buy from small chains because the prices are much better anyway. I also go where the gas pumpers are pleasant and not mean spiteful jihaidi looking people.
I had one rude guy tell me off for not saying thank you to him after all of his surly manners. I told him off and I won’t even look at that gas station again, let alone give them money. Go whre the people act like they even like Americans, that would be a good sign.
11 years ago
hani, The RCMP have been notified.
You and your friends are now being monitored. Your every step is watched.
hani, you ARE a SAVAGE, like your SAVAGE prophet of satan.
11 years ago
What a surprise, not. Faux pious filth.
Egyptian minister tells TV host “you are hot” on live TV
Egypt’s Information Minister Salah Abdel Maqsood tells Lebanese TV host “she is hot.”
CAIRO: Social networking websites in Egypt are being filled with criticism and irony over the latest TV interview with the newly appointed minister of information in which he called the female announcer “hot”.
Minister Salah Abdel Maqsood was interview by the Dubai Satellite channel by Lebanese host Zina al-Jarhi and during the beginning of the interview he said “I wish your questions are not as hot as you are,” in which she quickly replied: “my questions are the hot factor.”
Activists went into a sarcastic spree, asking “what is wrong with our government” when the head of the state “adjusted himself” during a meeting with the Australian Prime Minister and now the media minister tells a host she is hot.
The video shows him saying, “Hope your opinions are not hot,” then he repeats the same sentence without the word opinion, simply saying “she is hot.”
bikyamasr DOT com/78688/egyptian-minister-tells-tv-host-you-are-hot-on-live-tv/
11 years ago
I am just about to watch this:
The Project
In 2001, an inconspicuous manifesto now known as “The Project” was recovered during a raid in Switzerland: A manifesto that turned out to be a Muslim roadmap for infiltrating and defeating the West. Today, files containing evidence from the largest terror financing trial in U.S. history, which include details about “The Project”, are being withheld by the Department of Justice.
In an explosive two-part mini-series, TheBlaze documentary unit investigates how the Muslim Brotherhood has infiltrated the American government and exposes how our nation’s safety is in jeopardy as a result of this dangerous government cover up.
11 years ago
savage
Main Entry:savage
Part of Speech:adjective
Definition:wild, untamed
Synonyms:
aboriginal, ancient, archaic, barbarian, barbaric, bestial, brutal, brute, crude, earliest, feral, ferocious, fierce, first, fundamental, harsh, in a state of nature, lupine, native, natural, nonliterate, original, primary, primeval, primitive, primordial, pristine, rough, rude, rugged, rustic, simple, turbulent, unbroken, uncivilized, uncultivated, uncultured, undomesticated, unmodified, unrestrained, unspoiled, vicious
Antonyms:calm, civilized, domesticated, tame
Let us all never forget the “liberal” savages in the media, universities & politics!
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11 years ago
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/12330/how-religious-defamation-laws-would-ban-islam
This article is food for thought. Maybe they have outfoxed themselves. One can only hope.
11 years ago
If this new change is allowed ..
..only way to stop amti-israeli , anti-american ads will be to threaten, protest , deface the ads ….since most americans at least the civilised are too PC , the ads from the savages will be allowed and the ads against savages will not be allowed.
11 years ago
Muslim Brotherhood Infiltration
http://youtu.be/tWj5JXycZG8
Civilisation/Stealth Jihad…
11 years ago
Anti-semitism is offensive, why? Because it is racist. Calling all Arabs savages is also racist. How dumb do you have to be not to understand this?
11 years ago
Look at this scary movie: http://snaphanen.dk/2012/09/28/weekendfilm-iranium/
11 years ago
Not as dumb as you, phototrioe. Antisemitism is hatred of Jews, central to the jihad for 1400 years. What race is jihad, idiot?
11 years ago
@phototrioe
Can you please provide a source of the language calling Arabs savages? Thanks.
11 years ago
Rep Peter King is another great American. Glad he’s calling for Rice to resign.
The whole sideshow about “planned” or “spontaneous” is such bitchy inside baseball.
It’s just more clearly transparent evidence of how desperate our executive branch is to cover for our mortal enemies — their jihadist BFFs.
11 years ago
“Calling all Arabs savages is… racist”
Where did that happen? You should go there and put a stop to it right away!
As usual, situation Kafkaesque: Pam’s signs opposing an ideology of violence have been rejected for ‘inciting’ violence, which is to say by opposing the incitement of violence. Jihad is an entire doctrine of supporting and funding violence.
Fighting words has just given a heckler’s veto to the angriest most unreasonable and totalitarian theocrats on the face of the earth. Sharia has rules for everything. NYMTA will have a lot of new rules to write in the coming years, everything from covering women in ads to no seeing eye dogs on trains.
11 years ago
I would like to make two points about the MTA’s new rule: 1)With this rule, the MTA is allowing ads criticizing groups of people that probably will not commit violent acts, as a result of said ads. So, public criticism of the most dangerous ideologies/ behaviors/ groups will not be allowed. These are the groups that most deserve public scrutiny and criticism. 2)The MTA is acknowledging the truth, in this case, that jihadists are likely to become violent. Are they also making a “racist” statement with this new rule, as Ms. Gellar is accused of doing? Just what are they admitting? Apparently, they are afraid of acts of savagery being committed. But, I thought jihad was a peaceful, inner struggle. Hmmmmm…
11 years ago
They are not familiar with our colloquial adage: IF THE SHOE FITS, WEAR IT.
(Just don’t throw it.)
11 years ago
Hey Hani;You half wits are always threatening people for always bad mouthing your religion.Yet the christians,jews,buddhists & hindus never seem to riot & act like petulant children when one has something negative to say about their respective religions.This is just a reason for you to kill people nothing more nothing less.If I have one of those ads draped around me,will you attack me.Good luck,Allah can’t protect you from the righteous.
11 years ago
The language of the MTA said:
The Metropolitan Transportation Authority approved new guidelines for advertisements on Thursday, prohibiting those that it “reasonably foresees would imminently incite or provoke violence or other immediate breach of the peace.”
In order to “incite or provoke violence” the ad itself must call for violence against a group or an individual. For example, if an ad said “Kill White People” that would “incite or provoke violence” against white people. However, if the ad was an ad that merely said something that someone disagrees with and that person responds with violence then the ad had not “incited or provoked violence”. For example, if an ad said “Repeal Obamacare” and someone reacted violently to that ad then the ad has not “incited or provoked violence”.
Pamela Gellar’s ad did not call for violence against a group or individual and therefore, does NOT “incite or provoke violence”.
11 years ago
Despite Pamela’s initial positive response to the MTA’s decision to put a disclaimer on advertisement something in me felt that they were still in some way punishing Pamela and our ads. Where was the disclaimers when the anti-Israel ads were up? Nowhere! I thought isn’t this the same thing the San Francisco bus line did? How can this be seen as a victory. It’s very obvious that they are cowering and fear the riots, mobs and the threats of violence.
I hope when Pamela’s sues the MTA she can get some money out of it so MORE ads can be displayed. Then perhaps these bastards will find out that they should not mess with Pamela Geller, America and the First Amendment.
11 years ago
@poop
What an appropriate username. Arrogant asshole! Who asked you?
11 years ago
So let me get this straight.
Miss Geller, and I have an argument, and she wins. The next day, while ruminating about that argument, I become so enraged that I go to a Mall, and start killing people with my AK-47.
When the police finally arrest me, I can tell them that it is all Pam Geller’s fault. Because she had no business being so clever, and smart enough to win our argument.
And she’s a racist.
And so they will let me go. And then they will go, and arrest Miss Geller instead.
Like Steve McCroskey once said. “Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit amphetamines.”
11 years ago
Hey! judging by the increased legal type responses here we might be winning to our side more lawyers. Why don’t guys volunteer some time to Pamela’s legal team? The more legal support for Pamela (and America) the better. This is the greatest cause of the 21st Century. A matter of life or death for the United States of America. This IS the reason all those guys died on the beaches of Normandy in WWII.
11 years ago
Hani lives here…
6-22 Canterbury Ct
Richmond Hill, ON L4C 8E4, Canada
All eyes on you, Hani. Better not be threatening people.
11 years ago
Hey! @Hani
New Jersey Man Indicted for Making Online Threats Against Wegmans CEO and President
U.S. Attorney’s Office July 17, 2012
Western District of New York (716) 843-5700
ROCHESTER, NY—U.S. Attorney William J. Hochul, Jr. announced that Hans Ni, 31, of Trenton, New Jersey, was charged in a two-count indictment with transmitting interstate threats against the CEO and president of Wegmans Food Market. Each of the charges carry a maximum penalty of five years in prison, a $250,000, fine or both.
Assistant U.S. Attorney Richard A. Resnick, who is handling the case, stated that the defendant, a New Jersey resident and former Wegmans employee, is accused of sending threats to kill and murder both the chief executive officer and the president of Wegmans. The threats were sent over the Internet from a fictitious e-mail account from a library in New Jersey. The fictitious e-mail account was in the name of the defendant’s former supervisor at Wegmans, who had been involved in the defendant’s termination from Wegmans in 2005.
A date for the defendant’s arraignment on the charges has not yet been scheduled.
The indictment is the culmination of an investigation on the part of special agents of the Federal Bureau of Investigation Cyber Crimes Task Force, under the direction of Special Agent in Charge Christopher M. Piehota; Cyber Crimes Task Force officers from the Monroe County Sheriff’s Office, under the direction of Sheriff Patrick O’Flynn; and the Rochester Police Department, under the direction of Chief James Shephard.
11 years ago
I see someone’s already beat me to it.
He’s Canadian.
http://www.geoiptool.com/en/?IP=65.93.179.31
11 years ago
If they’re going to ban ads that “incite violence,” they’d best not be putting up the ISLAM ads all over the place, since it is ISLAM that incites violence.
DOH!!
11 years ago
BillyBoy, that guy obviously isn’t Muslim, otherwise, he wouldn’t have been prosecuted. Muslim death threats are protected by the First Amendment, whereas everyone else’s death threats are not. And our objections to the Muslim death threats are also not protected.
So, Muslims exercising their “freedom of expression” rights can threaten and commit murder – is not murder an “expression?” – while we are not allowed our free-speech rights to expose or object to those deadly threats and acts.
You see?
11 years ago
Let me make this perfectly clear. I will never sacrifice my freedom so as not to offend savages. And neither should any other American.
HEAR, HEAR!!!
Pamela, as you know, I have my hands full here on the household front as my husband battles to recover after his stroke in 2009; I am the sole caregiver and holding down a job, too.
But I’m making a lot of noise at work. If I lose my job, so be it.
I WILL NOT BACK DOWN!
Keep the light on for me in case I show up at your door.
11 years ago
If the MTA is an organization that is funded by US tax dollars are they allowed to circumvent Consitutional rights by fiat? Because I thought all government entities (whether state, local or federal) had to comply with Constitutionally guaranteed rights, despite the corruption and apathetic amorality of their officials.
11 years ago
@bb
“You then would have to walk on eggshells your whole life trying not to to be unpleasant.” I’ll bet you’ve just described the lives of just about anyone non-muslime
living in an islamofascist state.
11 years ago
G-d bless you, AOW.
You are steadfast, loyal and true.
11 years ago
Pamela, you are a hero and thanks to freedom lovers like you civilization is going to win against savagery!
There are a critical mass of people fed up with pandering to the savage including the Zero in the White House who violates the U.S. Constitulion, the highest legal authority.
Treason charge is appropriate.
11 years ago
MOHAMMED WAS A SAVAGE
11 years ago
Pamela, thank you for being the brave, articulate woman you are. I worry every day that it’s too late to save this wonderful country but, with warriors like you, we may just survive.
11 years ago
Hitler would have loved you guys.
11 years ago
I still do not see where Muslims are mentioned in the ads.
